Liveblogging the Maclean's Trial III: Die Another Day

Day three dawns, and the crowds have thinned. Maybe a dozen spectators today, none…

by Andrew Coyne on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 12:03pm - 0 Comments

Day three dawns, and the crowds have thinned. Maybe a dozen spectators today, none of the protestors (pro-Steyn!) of the first day. Media is down to me and Brian Hutchinson of the National Post, whose fine piece on yesterday’s proceedings is definitely worth a read. Ian Mulgrew also offers a trenchant article in the Vancouver Sun. (UPDATE: My mistake. The Province is here, as was Terry Milewski of the CBC, at least to start. Also some smaller publications.)

Further assigned reading, on the whole damn mess: Convenant Zone.

First witness today is Faiza Hirji, an expert in “analyzing stereotypes in the media with regard to minorities,” with a speciality in Muslim minorities. She’s a prof in communications at Carleton School of Journalism. Also heavily into gender and “discourses.” Masters thesis on “representations” of Afghan women during the 2001 war. Doctoral work on media “constructions” of religion and nationalism in Bollywood films. Currently writing an encyclopedia entry on media and the Muslim world. She talks very quickly.

10:00 AM Maclean’s counsel Roger McConchie is working through her c.v., perhaps in an attempt to poke holes in her credibility. Personally, I think she’d make a fine human rights commissioner.

Her dissertation, he’s pointing out, was in Indian cinema and identity construction, and not, say, stereotyping of Muslims in Canadian national weekly current events magazines. Now going through her publications in refereed journals (sample title: When Local Meets Lucre: Commerce, Culture and Imperialism in Bollywood Cinema.) Other articles deconstruct Queen Latifah, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and … still more Bollywood.

10:20 AM He’s still working her over. Her master’s thesis, on Afghan women, looked at whether western media concerns with women’s oppression under the Taliban was merely a pretext to justify the war.

McConchie sums up for the tribunal: getting a PhD from a “reputable Canadian institution” — I believe he’s talking about Carleton — is a worthy achievement, but she hardly has the expertise claimed, particularly as she’s barely started her career.

Faisal Joseph for the complainants begs to differ. She was recommended by a world-renowned expert, Karim H. Karim, to make a presentation to a conference on diversity in Melbourne, which was supposed to deal in part with stereotyping issues. (Although in the end she only had seven minutes so it didn’t.)

The panel retires to consider.

10:55 AM They’re back, and they’ve decided they’re going to hear her evidence. Buffy scholars everywhere breathe a sigh of relief.

She’s read many studies of racism in the media, although “Islamophobia” is a term she prefers not to use. Talking about stereotypes of Muslims as being associated with terrorism and the like. She does not believe the media are deliberately racist, but that journalists lack training in cultural sensitivity. On pressure of deadline, they rely on “shorthand,” stereotypes that are easily recognized by the readers. Not widespread, she says, but it happens often enough.

Now we’re talking about the Steyn article, and the passages that give her “concern.” McConchie rises to object, but is slapped down by the chairwoman. She (Hirji) reads a passage, says she sees a stereotype in it. Reads another, sees another. The cover is another stereotype, because it shows women wearing burkhas. The child’s face is in line with “the use of women and children as a marker of how oppressive Islam is.”

10:12 PM Still in the line-by-line dissection of Steyn: Muslims are presented as a threat, attributes of a few are ascribed to the religion as a whole, etc. She finds prhases like “threats like Islamism” also stereotypical, since earlier he had talked about Islam.

McConchie rises to say that he will be maintaining utter silence throughout this.

Now we’re reading the “of course” passage, which has been a peculiar object of fascination througout the hearing. This is the one where Steyn specifically disavows generalizing his concerns to all Muslims. But here it’s interpreted to mean that he is. I’ll reprint it here, so the reader can judge:

Time for the obligatory “of courses”: of course, not all Muslims are terrorists — though enough are hot for jihad to provide an impressive support network of mosques from Vienna to Stockholm to Toronto to Seattle. Of course, not all Muslims support terrorists — though enough of them share their basic objectives(the wish to live under Islamic law in Europe and North America) to function wittingly or otherwise as the “good cop” end of an Islamic good cop/bad cop routine.

My own interpretation of those weary “of courses” are that Steyn feels he shouldn’t have to even say them — that a criticism of some Muslims should not open him to the charge that he is talking of all Muslims, but that since it probably will, he will spell it out explicitly. Fat lot of good it did him.

11:28 AM McConchie to cross-examine. He’s going through the expanded version of her Melbourne presentation. In it, she mentions the Ontario (McGuinty) government’s decision to do away with “faith-based arbitration panels” in family disputes rather than allow sharia courts to be set up. McConchie recounts the controversy that surrounded this question, specifically over what the implementation of sharia law would mean for women’s equality. Eventually (Dec. 2005) the Ontario government decided against proceeding, passing a law (Bill C-27) to that effect. The decision was supported, inter alia, by the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, the YWCA, and the Muslim Canadian Congress. Not sure where he’s going with this, except I guess to show that these are legitimate questions of public debate.

Now he’s asking for the “terms of reference” sent to her by the complainants asking her to appear as an expert witness. These set out the task they want her to perform, and are normally provided to opposite counsel as part of her file. They weren’t.

11:55 AM We’re back. Her file has been produced. It’s, um, thin. There’s a bunch of other stuff that’s not in, she says, like emails between her and one of the Islamic law students. In one of these, she says, the student described the complaint they were bringing against Maclean’s. McConchie’s ears prick up. “She told you the nature of the complaint?” There’s an implied suggestion of something improper, though I don’t get what it is. But certainly it seems less than full disclosure.

We’re breaking for lunch.

* * *

1:30 PM Back from lunch, and the first witness is Dr. Mahmoud Mustafa Ayoub, an expert on the Koran, and Islam. Again, the Maclean’s side is raising questions about what terms of reference he was given in his retainer letter. I think they’re trying to suggest, or at least hint, that these expert witnesses were coached or pointed down a certain path, which is a no-no in most courts, and perhaps even here.

The letter, which Julian Porter is reading aloud, is quite bald in setting out the complainants’ objectives. “This case is very important to Muslim minorities who are consistently misrepresented in the media.” They cite approvingly the BC human rights legislation. “We anticipate that success in this case will provide the impetus for prohibiting discriminatory publications in the other provinces.” So there you have it.

Ayoub assures him this would have no influence on the evidence he offers in court, that he will provide his unbiased opinions based on his expertise. “I am an intellectual,” he offers, and will comment only on the accuracy or otherwise of the depictions of Islam in Steyn’s article.

1:43 PM Professor at the Pacific School of Religion at Berkeley. Scholar in residence at the Hartford Seminary in Connecticutt. First blind student to enter American University of Beirut. BA Phil there, then MA religious thought U Penn. PhD Harvard 1975 in comparative religion, with special emphasis on Islamic studies. Active in “interfaith dialogue” with Jews and Christians. First Muslim scholar to teach a course in Islamic thought at the Vatican. Conclusion: pretty major-league guy.

Now commenting on Steyn piece. It’s mostly a demographic argument, he says. There has been rapid growth in Islamic numbers, yes, but this is not part of some conspiracy to take over the world. Finds it distressing to see an article by an intelligent man making the same arguments that Jews have faced. The vision of Islam in the Koran is pluralist. Sometimes he has to tell fellow Muslims that they are not living up to this spirit of pluralism.

What is jihad? Article equates it with Al Qaeda: fighting, suicide bombing etc. But word actually means, originally, “to strive, to do one’s best.” Koranic sense is that religious struggle we must all engage in within our souls against evil tendencies. There is also “social jihad,” the obligation to change things that are wrong. This does not mean violence. The Koran is not a book of violence.

The notion of armed struggle, or violent jihad, is mentioned in the Koran. “Permission has been given to those who have been wronged only because they say God is our lord that they fight in self-defence.” (Sura 22.) So jihad is not limited to fighting — it’s just one type of jihad, and should only be done in self-defence. The extremist, violent types are an anomaly. “They are more a problem for us than for the west.”

In early history of Islam, there was a group claiming exclusive knowledge of the faith, and terrorizing others, as there are now. But Islam is a religion of “the middle way.” Not too keen on turning the other cheek, but war is also out, unless as a last resort. People are mistaking the actions of a violent fringe group for the majority. By analogy, why do we call them Basque terrorists, rather than Catholic terrorists?

Obliged by the Koran to respect the People of the Book, ie Christianity and Judaism.

2:03 PM Returning to critique of Steyn’s article. “Portrays Muslims as an underground movement trying to take over the world — that’s not true.” They’re missionaries, they want to spread their faith, just like Christianity does. But neither religion wants to take over the world. He’s a Canadian citizen, and believes in Trudeau’s vision of a multi-faith, multicultural society.

Arabic is the sacred language of Islam, but not all Muslims are Arabs. Only about a quarter of all Muslims are Arab. The largest Muslim country is not an Arab country, it’s Indonesia – “one of the most gentle and open societies in the world. And they are good Muslims.”

Another inaccuracy (he says): Steyn says Muslims don’t recognize nations, because their core identity as Muslims “leaps over continents.” That’s only partly true, he says. There is a Muslim umma across the world, but there is diversity of languages, countries, races, etc within, “and Islam accepts that.” Article is based on broad statements that are meant to create negative feelings about Muslims, overlooks complexities.

2:12 PM Now on to the Amiel article. Talks about the burning of the library of Alexandria in the 4th century, allegedly ordered by the Muslim caliph at the time. Says that last bit’s a “fiction,” though he says even some Muslims believe it.

Julian Porter to cross-ex. Some Muslims, Ayoub acknowledges, especially in the 20th century, have emphasized the “jihad of the sword.” Islam, he notes in passing, does not have a concept of “holy war”: the phrase was invented by Pope Urban II when he was whipping up enthusiasm for the first Crusade.

Porter suggests that the Koran, like the Bible, has both peaceful and violent verses, and that “we have to choose.” Ayoub says the peaceful ones are more prevalent. Says Mohammed had to govern in times of both war and peace. Wonders if Christ had been in the same position, “probably Christians would have been less bloody than they have been.” Not sure I follow.

2:24 PM Porter is reading him passages from a collection of Bin Laden’s statements. “I swear by God almighty … that neither America nor anyone who lives there will enjoy safety until safety becomes a reality for those in Palestine and until all of the infidel have left the land of Mohammed.” It’s true, he says, that Islam is a vast religion with many groups, but “there is an element within it running amok.” Ayoub agrees, but repeats that Al Qaeda is more a problem for us than you.

Porter says you are giving an opinion, and you’re entitled to give it. Hint, hint. “It’s not an opinion, sir,” he replies. Oh.

More Bin Laden. “We’ve been inciting for years. We’ve released decrees and documents… Incitement is a duty… We have incited and urged the killing of Americans and Jews, that’s true.” Porter: that’s worrisome, isn’t it? Journalists have to write about this without your knowledge and background. “It may not be that every journalist has your nuance, but isn’t that something that they should be worried about, and writing about?” He’s making the case that Steyn may be wrong, but he’s not hateful: he’s starting from a legitimate concern.

Ayoub says he believes in free speech, “but my freedom ends where it begins to do harm to any community… I don’t think freedom of speech should include inciting the general public to hate a group, whatever the group may be.”

2:39 PM I’ve just noticed Steyn is here. Not sure how long he’s been sitting there. I suspect things are about to get interesting.

2:41 PM Porter is now quoting Ayoub from a story in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, in which he’s quoted as speculating that the planes on Sept. 11 might have been flown by evangelical Christians. He denies saying it. What he said, he said, is that there are evangelicals who want to hasten the day of Armaggedon and the Rapture.

“I am (also) an American, and I love America, and I would never do anything to harm either of these two countries. I don’t live in Quebec because their taxes are too high.”

3:26 PM We’re back from a break, and Faisal Joseph is announcing … they aren’t going to call any more witnesses! They’re not going to call their third and last expert witness, as it would merely repeat previous evidence, he says, and they’re not going to call Naiyer Habib, one of the complainants!

Julian Porter is furious. Then I’m calling Habib! This is contemptuous of the process, he says, and disgraceful. He should be here to answer having laid the complaint. I was told I’d get a chance to cross-examine him. “I cannot believe” – he’s practically growling – “that they would have the audacity not to expose either one (meaning Elmasry, the other complainant) to cross-examination!”

Joseph: Talk about audacity. Steyn’s here, and he’s not testifying. I’m upset that I don’t get a crack at him.

Steyn snorts in laughter. (Possible reason: He was supposed to be in a radio debate with Joseph some time ago, but Joseph never showed.) Joseph expresses displeasure at this.

Porter (to the tribunal, quietly): “Do you have any idea how bad this looks?” He asks for five minutes to prepare, and then, I presume, he’s going to call Habib as … a hostile witness. Stay tuned!

4:04 PM We’re going to adjourn for the day! We don’t even know whether we’re calling any more witnesses. If so, we’re back at 10 tomorrow. Otherwise, we hear final arguments on Friday.

Talk about a cliffhanger! Will Porter get to call Habib? Will Joseph cross-examine? Tune in tomorrow… same kangaroo-time, same kangaroo-channel…

Wait! Porter in on his feet: “If Habib and Elmasry are afraid to testify, I don’t want them as my witnesses. They’re a pair of scaredy-pants, and…” I swear to God that’s what he said. The proceedings dissolve in even more confusion than usual…

CODA: Okay here’s the deal. Maclean’s is definitely — as of this writing — not going to call Habib. The only question is whether the other side, ie Habib’s lawyers, do: apparently they may change their mind.

If they don’t, then we will have gone through an entire hearing about Muslims exposed to hatred in British Columbia without hearing from one single, solitary outraged British Columbian Muslim (though Habib, unlike Elmasry, at least had the decency to show up). We heard from an outraged Muslim — Joseph’s articling student, Kurrum Awan — but he’s from Ontario. And we’ve heard from a British Columbian, the Islamic scholar Andrew Rippin, but he’s neither particularly outraged nor, it seems, Muslim. Even the lawyers were from Ontario, except McConchie.

And if they do call him? Then Porter gets his wish. See you tomorrow.

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  • Warren Z

    If Habib doesn’t testify, then if I were Steyn and his lawyers I would get up and walk out. Shake the dust off their feet and never return.

  • Kim

    This is like a soap opera! I keep refreshing to see what else will happen. I am on the edge of my seat. Best damn entertainment around.

  • Muslim Steynfan

    In 1995, we all watched the O.J. Trial. If you told me, that 13 years later, we’d be refreshing a web page to watch up to the minute text updates of a human rights tribunal, I would NEVER have believed you.

  • Sad2beacanadian

    Steyn would LOVE to testify with a hack like Joseph or anyone else to cross him. I would like to see them walk out but I am uncertain whether this would prejudice them in the appeal to the QB, but let’s face it, this is an incredible farce. It will be interesting to see if the major tv news companies carry this story. Thanks for the tip on the Van radio stationt too.

  • SK

    When I write a musical based on this story, I’ll call it, “The Audacity of the Socks.” Just to be postmodern, I’ll make it a costume drama set in 18th-Century England.

    I rather wish Julian Porter had accused Joseph of “chutzpah,” though, rather than audacity. Would have had Steyn fall out of his seat laughing.

  • Observer

    “Best damn entertainment around.”

    Yes, but also terrifying that this could occur in a mature democracy. I am also worried that this may be a foretaste of what may start happening in the US under a new Administration…

  • http://Pelalusa.blogspot.com Robert W.

    Just imagine IN THE REAL WORLD suing someone but then not showing up to the court case! This means that an individual or group could literally charge dozens, if not hundreds, of people through the BCHRC … and not even have to attend one hearing!

    Wally Oppal, where are you?!?!?!?!?

  • Jan

    This thing is making me sick. How can Joseph expect the Tribunal to decide if al Habib, the complainant, was harmed, if Joseph is not willing to call him to testify to the harm that he suffered?

    Are they trying to throw the whole thing?

  • Blaise MacLean

    Faisal Joseph DID have his chance at Mark Steyn…they were scheduled for a debate on CFRB radio in Toronto…Steyn showed up, but Joseph chickened out at the last minute.

    Incidentally, the difference here is that Habib is a party; there is supposed to be a right for an accused to confront the accuser and reasonable to expect that at least one would be called by the Complainant. I thought that they had held out to the Tribunal that Habib would be called. It was highly irregular for Joseph to not call Habib (or at least to inform the Tribunal and the accused’s counsel of that at the last moment). Steyn is not a party in the case, and so there is not obligation to call him.

    One other point: If Porter does call Habib he is technically supposed to have him on direct…perhaps he will try to have him declared a hostile witness so as to be able to cross examine him. In any event, however, Joseph will have him on cross and so be able to ask leading questions (though I suspect that, with the loosy-goosy procedures of the Tribunal, Joseph has probably been leading his witnesses anyway.He seems quite artless so if he has been doing that,there is little disadvantage for Porter in calling Habib).

    On the other hand, I don’t know if there is such a thing as a non-suit in this tribunal, but if the complainants haven’t testified, perhaps Porter could at least ask for one.

  • Warren Z

    Sad2beacanadian: Yeah you’re right it would be cool if they walked out, but probably not advisible.

  • Warren Z

    It’s getting a might meaty.

  • Stephen

    Walking out is never an option in this situation. You look childish.

    And for an example about stakes, the USSR walking out of the security council is what allowed the US to get UN sanction for the Korean police action.

    You never leave these forums.

  • ABarlow

    You couldn’t make a movie about this thing. Nobody would believe it.

  • http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com Jay Currie

    Blaise, I agree and it is going to be weird having Porter, in effect, conduct discovery. And I am not at all sure that it is a good idea.

    Moving directly to final argument on this pup of a case would seem more sensible. Why do Joseph’s job for him. Without testimony from the complainant of any sort I cannot see how the Tribunal can do anything but dismiss the complaint.

  • SK

    I would like to know why Joseph called Steyn out. That is, did Joseph ask for Steyn to be put on the stand, and have Maclean’s rebuff them for some reason? Or did they never call for Steyn, and then have the AUDACITY to then complain that they don’t get to examine him?

  • sanwin

    Robert W.

    Thanks for the link to http://cknw.com/.

    To those that missed it, it’s worth listening to… there’s another hour of talk radio discussing this issue.. to date all calls have been against the HRC.

  • Bob Williams

    Jay Currie:

    “Without testimony from the complainant of any sort I cannot see how the Tribunal can do anything but dismiss the complaint.”

    I don’t see this tribunal as following any reasonabe procedure. Why should they start now?

  • Warren Z

    Stephen I do not entirely agree sometimes if all you are left with is the absurd. Then sometimes your only option is to walk out. Although not yet.

  • Blaise MacLean

    Jay: Exactly. Porter has no idea what Habib will say, having neither discovery nor direct. Of course, based on some of Faisal Joseph’s work so far, he may have no more idea than Porter about Habib’s potential testimony. His prep seems to have been pretty shoddy.

    I just don’t know what the rules at the BCHRT are, but it seems logical to me that there must be some threshold that has to be met before an accused has to mount a defence. If there has been no evidence of harm generally, and none of the complainants testify to their harm personally, how is there a case that even has to be met?

    So, if only for the record, Porter might try a non-suit/directed verdict/throw this mess in the garbage where it belongs (whatever name you want to give it) motion. Anyway…we shall see.

  • Dawood v. Goliath

    Chinese Wisdom, Part 1

    Stephen,

    You make good points, but let’s step back a little bit:

    I agree with Stain that the relationship of Islam and the West (and China, for that matter) is one of the fundamental questions of our time.

    Stain and his ilk, however, like to do what the Chinese call: “yi pian gai quan” – use something that is crooked to represent the whole.

    He states, for example, that enough Muslims are hot for jihad, rhetorically asks how many Muslims sympathize with the aims of local terrorists.

    Muslims in Canada follow local laws (as they are mandated to do by their holy book), pay taxes, play hockey, become doctors and i-bankers, contribute to the vibrant society that makes Canada admired the world over; they are potential victims of terrorists as much as you and I.

    Would they support indiscriminate terrorist activities that could harm them and their families (when their holy book says the slaugher of one innocent is like the slaughter of all of humanity).

    Does this makes sense to you? If it does, is it a great extension to start suspecting your Muslim neighbour of being part of sleeper cell, thinking that the Toronto 17 are guilty before conviction, support imperial adventures into oil-rich lands?

  • Bob Williams

    OMG! Somebody called somebody else a “scaredy-pants”! This may end up in further litigation!

  • Steve C

    In real court’s anyone who has wandered into the courtroom while trial is going on can be called to the stand as a witness and escorted to the stand by the bailiff if need be. Faisal could call Steyn to the stand if he wanted to.

  • mecheng

    LOL!!!

    Scaredy-pants!

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  • Calgary Clippper

    Wow!

    All day nothing at at 4:00 the Court of Roos adjourns in total confusion.

    JP is furious that Habib will not be called and ….

    This is truly a soap opera classic – nobody knows what the hell is going to happen tomorrow (if anything does).

    Our system of justice is screaming out in pain

    Kudos, Andrew, for staying with all of this
    during the past 3 days.

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