Gentlepundits, start your prognosticating!

by kadyomalley on Friday, July 25, 2008 10:38am - 0 Comments

And they’re off:

Release

Date: July 25, 2008

Release: Immediate

PRIME MINISTER HARPER ANNOUNCES BY-ELECTIONS FOR SEPTEMBER 8, 2008

OttawaPrime Minister Stephen Harper announced today that by-elections will be held on Monday, September 8, 2008 in the ridings of Guelph (Ontario), Westmount-Ville Marie (Quebec) and Saint Lambert (Quebec).

Now the only question is whether he’ll throw in Don Valley West as a bonus when John Godfrey officially resigns his seat on August 1.

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  • http://www.todaysautonews.com jwl

    I am feeling inspired by Labour’s loss of Glasgow East in Scotland yesterday so I will predict Anne Legace Dawson will win Westmount.

    When do the MP’s return to Ottawa after their summer hols? I think there will be an election this fall and these by-elections are going to be a waste of time and money.

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    Well, the House is *supposed* to get back to business the following week – September 16th – but prorogation could put that off until October or November — or, you know, January, since there is no limit on how much time can elapse between dissolution and a Speech from the Throne. Not legally, that is — it might be politically risky to shut down Parliament for months, though, especially in a minority situation. (I’ve always wondered if, at a certain point, the opposition parties couldn’t band together and trek off to the GG’s place to demand that she drop the writ so as to protect democracy, or something like that.)

    Anyway, the by-elections wouldn’t be affected by prorogation, but you’re right that a general election would make the whole exercise spectacularly moot. Then again, the PM *had* to call Westmount before tomorrow, and the other two would have come due in early September anyway, so I guess he figured it just made more sense to bundle them together.

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Godfrey’s riding, though, since technically, he has until next February to call that one.

  • http://www.punditsguide.ca Pundits’ Guide

    Kady, I hate to disagree with such a plugged-in Hill reporter as yourself, but timing-wise I cannot see any way Don Valley West could be called for the same time as the others.

    You have to factor in time for the Speaker’s warrant to get prepared and be sent to (and received by) the Chief Electoral Officer. Friday August 1 is the Friday before a long weekend.

    So, let’s assume the paperwork all gets done the same day. Then 11 days must pass before the Chief Electoral Officer can issue the Writ of By-election; which then must be for a minimum of 36 days ending on a Monday or the Tuesday after a long weekend. See Elections Canada for the details on that here.

    Friday August 1 + 11 = Tuesday August 12
    Tuesday August 12 + 36 = Wednesday Sept. 17
    Rounded forward to the next Monday = Sept. 22

    That’s the earliest Don Valley West can be called for. And that’s assuming all the paperwork gets done on the Friday before the Civic Holiday weekend. Many times in the past it has not.

    If I’m reading that wrong, of course, you and/or the legions of your readers will correct me in a flash, I’m sure.

    I blogged about this a few weeks ago; see Don Valley West By-election date math.

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    I have no doubt that you are entirely and completely right on this one — I knew it would be close, but didn’t think to count backwards from byelection date.

    So — huh. I’m guessing that means no representation for Don Valley voters for the next six months or so, since it seems unlikely that the PM would go out of his way to hold a single byelection before the deadline expires (and there may well be a general election before then) — particularly if the Liberals are likely to hang onto the seat.

    If he’d wanted to tweak the timeline so as to allow all four to be held on the same day, he could have set the other three byelections for September 22 — or even September 29.

  • http://www.punditsguide.ca Pundits’ Guide

    That’s where the pundits step in. Me, I’m just the Guide …

  • Shenping

    There is precedent against the GG calling an election without being advised to by the PM, and an example of what happens to a government that creates such a situation.

    The Progessive Conservatives under Grant Devine tried pulling such a stunt in Saskatchewan about 20 years ago. They knew they were going to get destroyed if an election was called, so they dissolved the legislature and ruled by order of council past the five year mark.

    The Lieutenant Governor was repeated asked by opposition & the general population to call an election without being asked by the premier, but was reluctant to do so as it would set the precedent of a symbolic head of state overriding an elected government. The PC’s eventually called an election after about a month of illegal government, but things were seriously tense during that time. A few more weeks and we might have seen a return to 1930′s style prairie political violence. The PC party has not run a serious candidate in Saskatchewan since.

    Besides, would there be any practical difference between the current government sitting and not sitting, what with how both Conservatives & Liberals are behaving? It seems the processes of governing the country that aren’t already dictated by the PMO may be shifting to the court system.

  • Another Ottawa Anon

    Guelph: Con
    Westmount: NDP
    Saint Lambert: BQ

  • http://www.todaysautonews.com jwl

    I live in Guelph and I just got back from a drive around town. There are Tom King signs all over, he’s quick off the mark, and only one other political sign which was Liberal candidate.

  • Wayne

    Hey JWL : I see Tom is making the copywright legislation a plank eh! very interesting choice rather strategic if you ask me as that particluar area touches on younger demographics … very interesting.

  • Savant

    It’s interesting how Dion is spinning the by-election by saying telling voters to “send Prime Minister Stephen Harper a strong message that they don’t like the way he is running the country.” In fact the seats are the Liberal’s seats to lose, seeing as they hold two of them.

    The Tories have been very realistic in suggesting they don’t expect to make any headway in these ridings, and only consider Guelph to be a long-shot. As Ryan Sparrow said, “Anything short of two Liberal wins and one Bloc win with margins equal to or greater than 2006 will be failures for both Stephane Dion and Gilles Duceppe.”

    The only wildcard here is how the Green Shift campaigning will impact the voters over the next month. While most people know little about it now, they will likely hear a lot more about it in the weeks to come.

  • Dennis Prouse

    The Prime Minister will be in no hurry to call the Don Valley West by-election, nor should he be. After all, had the Liberals wished to have it contested early all they had to do was have John Godfrey resign on his original date of July 1. The fact that his resignation was delayed until August 1, even though everyone knew a by-election was legally mandated to be called by July 26, indicates that the Liberals themselves are in no hurry to contest that particular seat.

    It is also worth noting that the constituency office continues to operate for a period of time (at least six months, I believe) after an MP resigns, so it’s not like the good people of Don Valley West won’t have anyone to assist them on matters such as passports, pensions, etc.

  • http://www.todaysautonews.com jwl

    Wayne Yes, opposing Bill C-61 is an obvious vote winner here in Guelph, what with all the hippies and students who are against having to pay for things.

    NDP must think he has a chance because I have been getting 1-2 things in the mail a week for the last 6 weeks about King/Layton and have received nothing from any of the other parties.

    The latest item in the mail points out the evils of ‘big banks’, Cons who are selling off parts of our universal health care to highest bidder, George Bush’s ‘adventures’ in Middle East and the money going to oil and gas companies who make the air worse. And to top it off, I am told to not support politicians who ‘fear change, who are afraid of the future’.

    I am constantly amazed when I read that Conservative candidate has a chance. I am libertarian/conservative and I sometimes feel like I am the only in town. I know more people who identify themselves as communist than I do any other political ideology.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    July 25th?
    Friday – wasn’t it?
    Always be suspicious of Friday announcements – Gummint must be wanting to hide something!!
    As for the projected results – well – I hope Guelph and the others aren’t subjected to a session of Dead Dog Cafe – but I smell a distinct trend in the air Leftwards…which may explain why the PMO wanted to lowbridge this one…

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