Nano(s)technology: It's the cell phones, stupid!

by kadyomalley on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:25am - 25 Comments

Hot Room Colleague and Ottawa Citizen election notebooker Glen McGregor talked to Nik Nanos about his stubbornly trend-bucking numbers in today’s edition of Polls Notes, thereby providing at least a mornings’ worth of comment-fodder. A teaser:

Mr. Nanos says the key difference is methodology. Unlike other polling firms, his asks open-ended questions on voter intention. Instead of offering a list of choices — “Would you vote a) Conservative, b) Liberal …” — Nanos phone operators ask an open-ended question that requires respondents to come up with their own answers instead of multiple choice.

“If they don’t get the list, you get the cleanest read because they have to articulate their support,” Mr. Nanos said. The open-ended question eliminates the importance of the order in which the parties are listed, although most companies vary the the order to mitigate this factor.

Also, the open-ended method tends to put the Greens lower than other parties because, Mr. Nanos believes, respondents are not reminded of the party when they answer. Some will choose the Greens as a none-of-the-above if they hear the party name on a list before answering.

Another difference: Nanos pays more to get cellphone exchanges included in its calling list. Cell users tend to be young and more transient than those with land-lines, Mr. Nanos says.

“Those people are not as likely to have conservative attitudes.”

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  • RyanD

    Sounds like pretty sound reasoning for me although I’m sure the usual cast of Harper groupies will explain to me why any poll that has ever shown something other than absolute Tory dominance is clearly flawed and worthy of the trash heap. I think all the polls are flawed and worthy of the trash heap but after reading the tidbit above I am slightly more inclined to trust Nanos.

  • Archangel

    I’m waiting for the CPoC outliars (how unkind) to awaken and comment on Nanos polls as outliers. Should be fun as usual.

    Will they also continue the MSM liberal bias rant–sigh…?

    Here’s a comment from a B.C. Independent:

    “I find the buzz around Mayencourt perplexing. He’s not exactly wildly popular–having only won his MLA seat by 17 votes in the last provincial election–but the press are treating him like a star candidate. *scratches head*”

    Funny, most people I talk to who are not CPoC supporters express their dismay at the MSM’s fawning treatment of everything Conservative. No, my sphere of friends and acquaintances isn’t large enough to represent a statistically significant sample size. But I find their commentary interesting nonetheless.

    BTW, I am an urban voter so I must be hopelessly biased against the CPoC.

  • Jarrid

    “Cell users tend to be young and more transient than those with land-lines, Mr. Nanos says.

    “Those people are not as likely to have conservative attitudes.””

    Nanos should have added, and they don’t vote.

    I think it’s fair to say that historically, the Liberals have had a bigger base of voters,(although that base appears to be eroding in recent years) so that if you ask an open-ended question, you’ll get “Liberal” as a default answer. But particularly in a year where the Liberal brand is being severly tested with a) whacky policies like the Green Shift and b) an inept would-be leader like Dion, that methodology will over-poll Liberal support.

  • Andrew Potter

    When I read that in Glen’s piece I went — BINGO — that explains the difference between Nanos and the others. The cellphone angle explains the higher Lib numbers, and the open-ended questioning explains why Nanos has the Greens so low.

    The question is, how will people vote when they see the Greenie right there on the page in front of them.

  • Steph C

    I agree, Andrew. Picture the undecided youth hanging up on the friendly Nanostaffer, turning on the TV to watch the news and saying, “Oh right, the Green Party! Oh well, whatevs. Who cares?”

  • Peter

    The question is, is this the same method Nanos used the last two elections? If so, it has a track record. At the same time, Nanos was not an oulier as comapared to the other national polls in those elections, so it begs the question “what is different this time?”
    No matter what happens, an element of uncertainty adds the only edge to this otherwise dull campaign.

  • Jarrid

    Here’s an example in today’s Globe and Mail about what I’m talking about in my comment above. Margaret Wente mentions this comment in her column today from a traditional Liberal voter who will answer “Liberal” when Nanos’ minions call:

    “”Poor Stéphane,” says a nice little old lady I know, a lifetime Liberal. “He’s hopeless, but what can you do?” She’s not sure she has the heart to vote.”

  • Wascally Wabbit

    I’ll see your Peggy Wente and raise you a Kady O’Malley any day Jarrid…
    Your track record is about as reliable as Strategic’s polls in the last 2 elections.
    Further to your point about cell phone users (young voters) track record o voting – I’ll let you cuddle that little blanket for now Jarrid – and ask you for your thoughts on October 15th
    As for Nick’s current numbers…published today (Sept 21st survey)
    CPC 35
    LIB 30
    NDP 22
    Bloc 7
    Green 6

  • Jarrid

    WW – you’re on my friend. I’ll give you my post-mortem on Kady’s first post on October 15th.

    In the meantime Nanos will have provided succor to Liberals in dire need of a glimmer of hope in the face of a truly frightning dynamic developing for the Liberal Party as the campaign unfolds, which I suppose is a public service of sorts.

  • Riley Hennessey

    Kady,

    Do these new Nanos methods differ from his methods in the last election? What has/hasn’t changed from the polling techniques of 2005/2006?

  • Anon

    Nik had more to say on CPAC. He said that Liberals – except for 1984 – have never dipped below 28%. To suggest that they are polling at 23%, he said, would indicate some grand HarperMania sweeping the nation, which he (or frankly anybody else) sees.

    He also pointed out that the high undecideds – 20% nationally, about 25% for Quebec – suggests very high volatility and that voters are unimpressed with any of the choices on offer.

    I think all this may change after the debates after Canadians have had a chance to actually view these “leaders” side by side.

  • Anon

    “which he (or frankly anybody else) sees. ”

    –> does not see.

  • Sean S.

    Jarrid, you may be right that the greater representation of younger respondents may not translate into actual votes on election day. However, while we’re sharing our hypothetical hunches (and what the heck, if the pollsters do it, why shouldn’t we?), I’d add that if someone is willing to take the time to participate in the poll, then that factor may well be controlled for.

    I’d be interested to know if low turnout elections (which I suspect this one is going to be) typically show a drop in all segments of voting public (age/gender/party support/region), or if certain groups disproportionately “don’t show up” on election day.

    Nanos seems to present credible reasons for the differences in poll results, but even if his polls are more valid reads of the national numbers, I’d still be pooping bricks if I were Liberal – the swing ridings will likely split the “left” and benefit the Cons.

  • Jarrid

    Anon is spinning the latest Liberal line – all leaders are as bad as our leader. That’s not what the polls, including Nanos’ poll, say by the way.

    Surely there can be more than one explanation why the Liberal brand is under the 28.02% it got in 1984 than the one Nanos proffers. Let me name them 3 off the top of my head:

    1. The left of centre vote has never been so splintered among the different parties than in this election. The Greens are getting more airtime and coverage than previous elections. The Bloc, shorn for the time being of its sovereignist colours, is now simply a left of centre party competing with the Liberals on policy issues.

    2. In the past, while they pretended to be a bona fide left of centre party during the writ period, the Liberal Party essentially straddled the middle of the political spectrum. This go round, and since Professor Dion has been at the helm, they actually appear to be earnest in their left-wing rhetoric. Dion has taken the Libs further to the left of the spectrum than anytime perhaps in Canadian history. Perhaps Nanos hasn’t picked up what at least one pollster has: that 15% of people who voted Liberal in 2006 have switched to the Conservatives this election.

    3. Dion is a walking disaster as leader and the Green Shift is a walking disaster as policy.

  • Austin So

    You mean there is bias in the sample in the other polls?

    Austin

  • Sean S.

    Jarrid wrote: “Anon is spinning the latest Liberal line – all leaders are as bad as our leader. ”

    Huh?

  • Wascally Wabbit

    Jarrid – I think you have been reading your own press releases a little too much to see the woods for the trees…
    I’m very happy that the undecided – Which as I understand it – Nanos is the only one to show in his methodology…it has been up in the 18-19% range for the whole period leading up to and through the election period todate.
    what that tells me is that there are a whole lot of folks on the fence – who clearly haven’t so far jumped to either Harper or Dion…
    Harper is about as high as he will ever get…only other place to go is further down…Dion conversely – has only to catch fire – with either his team approach or with his platform – to move into minority lead – or heavens – to move into possible majority territory…
    But I don’t want you worrying and getting your blood pressure up… ;-)

  • boudica

    “Perhaps Nanos hasn’t picked up what at least one pollster has: that 15% of people who voted Liberal in 2006 have switched to the Conservatives this election.”

    Let me guess… Ipsos?

  • Toby

    Cell phones are part of the vast liberal media conspiracy now too? To the telegraph machine!

  • Wayne

    There was a local poll here in victoria I thought was fascinating in that it polled how many people (decided voters)had changed their mind since the election call. 82% are still voting the same as at the time of the dropping of the writ. of the 18% who had changed their mind there were a few Lib’ and NDP voting Green but the Lion’s share was Liberals -> NDP. Which opens another issue here in victoria as the NDP incumbent is very popular and I already know of several LPC members who are doing the strategic voting ABC thing and switching to NDP. If I would have mentioned this not that long ago I would have been excommunicated and then laughed out of the conversation.Only in Canada EH!

  • Alta Vista Dude

    “”Poor Stéphane,” says a nice little old lady I know, a lifetime Liberal. “He’s hopeless, but what can you do?” She’s not sure she has the heart to vote.” …from Wente in today’s Globe (see above)

    I think Peggy Wente is on to something here. My neighbour here in Ottawa, who has voted for the McGuinty’s since Dalton was in diapers, has refused the request from David McGuinty to have a sign on his lawn because he would be “too embarrassed”. I don’t think he’s going to vote Tory, but I get the sense he plans to sit this one out.

    The biggest issue in this election may be who can get out their vote…and it’s unlikely to be the Liberals that win that race.

  • boudica

    “The biggest issue in this election may be who can get out their vote…and it’s unlikely to be the Liberals that win that race.”

    True but if the anti-Harper vote comes to its senses at the 11th hour and realize that voting LPC is the only way to stop a likely Harper majority, the Liberals may not need to do much GOTV. They’ll be coming out in droves.

  • http://demosthenes.blogspot.com Demosthenes

    For the various anti-Liberal trolls: The “non-prompting” method is exactly what Nanos used in 2006. It’s what gave him that ridiculously accurate margin, as you can see in Kady’s own Hill Times article. (No link, sadly.)

    (Well, that, and asking party affiliation up front, without leading up to it through a long series of questions about issues and leaders and the like.)

    Meanwhile, Strategic Council put out a poll that said that Harper was at 42 to the Liberals’ 24. That’s what prompted all that “majority” talk. It was also stunningly inaccurate.

    As for cell phone users not voting, well… that might have been true two years ago, or four years ago. But there has been a wholesale shift towards disposing of land lines that goes far beyond the college set. Starting to poll cell phones was a necessary change, and it’s good to see Nanos finally implement it.

  • Shenping

    I’m not sure if the Conservatives really have the best get-out-the-vote machine. They may kick the Liberals in that respect in the prairies, but the NDP have a much stronger volunteer base in urban Saskatchewan & Manitoba (just not strong enough in Sask to offset the gerrymandering of urban centres), & the Liberal ground machine in Ontario is pretty strong. I just don’t think it will be enough.

    I’m going to have to go with the Don Mitchell for the NDP in my riding. Anyone who turned Moose Jaw into a mid-sized economic engine & a popular tourism destination is someone I want in government, & he’s pretty much the leader in Palliser. The anything-but-the-conservative vote just doesn’t go Liberal here. We like Ralph Goodale despite his party. I just can’t find it in me to vote either CPC or Liberal.

  • Wayne

    So I see Nick’s numbers are fresh off the press from yesterday : Question: If a FEDERAL election were held today, could you please rank your top two current local voting preferences? (First ranked reported)

    Committed Voters – Canada (N=996, MoE ± 3.1%, 19 times out of 20)

    Conservative Party 38 (+3)
    Liberal Party 27 (-3)
    NDP 21 (-1)
    BQ 8% (+1)
    Green Party 6% (NC)
    Undecided 17% (-1)
    Question: Of the following individuals, who do you think would make the best Prime Minister? [Rotate] (N=1,200,MoE ± 2.8%, 19 times out of 20)

    Conservative leader Stephen Harper 37% (+3)
    NDP leader Jack Layton 18% (-2)
    Liberal leader Stephane Dion 13% (NC)
    Green Party leader Elizabeth May 4% (+1)
    Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe 3% (NC)
    None of them 10% (NC)
    Unsure 15% (-1)
    Question: Which of the federal leaders would you best describe as:

    The most trustworthy leader
    The most competent leader
    The leader with the best vision for Canada’s future
    [Leadership Index Score - Daily roll-up of all three measures]

    Stephen Harper 113 (+14)
    Jack Layton 44 (-12)
    Stephane Dion 38 (-2)
    Gilles Duceppe 13 (-4)
    Elizabeth May 13 (-3)
    What do you think?

    Cheers, NJN

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