Megapundit Extra: Atheists, repent!

We were delighted this afternoon to find some rare vintage Barbara Kay… on the

by selley on Friday, October 3, 2008 5:28pm - 15 Comments

We were delighted this afternoon to find some rare vintage Barbara Kay on the National Post‘s Full Comment blog, where she suggests that “belief in God is a prophylactic against superstition.” (This, surely, is one of the more mind-boggling contentions an atheist is ever likely to read.) Kay’s evidence comes (second-hand) from a new book from the Baylor University Press, What Americans Really Believe, which is based largely on the absolutely fascinating survey data collected by Gallup on behalf of the university’s Institute for Studies of Religion. We haven’t read the book, we should stress—though we’ve gone through much of component data from the 2006 survey, which is available on the Institute’s website—and neither has Kay. She acknowledges that she’s getting her data from “a review in the September 19th Wall Street Journal,” by which we can only conclude she means an opinion column by one Mollie Ziegler Hemingway.

That Ziegler Hemingway’s name doesn’t appear in Kay’s piece strikes us as somewhat odd given that it is, functionally, identical. Both argue that the data put the lie to atheistic smugness about the collective intelligence of the pious. Both offer Bill Maher’s new film, Religulous, and a recent Saturday Night Life sketch on home schooling, as classic examples of the smugness in question. The only statistics Kay cites from the book are also cited in Ziegler Hemingway’s article. Both point to corroborating data from the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. Both quote Maher on the matter of Louis Pasteur’s germ theory and his (Maher’s) skepticism about vaccinations. Kay did dig up and dismiss a positive review of Religulous—which she refuses to see, natch—from the Kansas City Star. But other than that, we can’t find much that she’s contributed to the argument.

And that argument had some problems to begin with. Out of respect for its original arguer, we’ll quote Ziegler Hemingway:

The Gallup Organization, under contract to Baylor’s Institute for Studies of Religion, asked American adults a series of questions to gauge credulity. Do dreams foretell the future? Did ancient advanced civilizations such as Atlantis exist? Can places be haunted? Is it possible to communicate with the dead? Will creatures like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster someday be discovered by science?

The answers were added up to create an index of belief in occult and the paranormal. While 31% of people who never worship expressed strong belief in these things, only 8% of people who attend a house of worship more than once a week did.

Even among Christians, there were disparities. While 36% of those belonging to the United Church of Christ, Sen. Barack Obama’s former denomination, expressed strong beliefs in the paranormal, only 14% of those belonging to the Assemblies of God, Sarah Palin’s former denomination, did. In fact, the more traditional and evangelical the respondent, the less likely he was to believe in, for instance, the possibility of communicating with people who are dead.

For those who find atheistic smugness unbearable, such as ourselves, there’s much to like about these findings: Okay, young fella with the Che shirt, a shocking number of Americans do indeed think Revelations will one day come true. But a shocking number of your college-educated friends believe in Ouija boards and haunted houses. In fact, we’re sure there’s all sorts of hare-brained beliefs—9/11 trutherism comes immediately to mind—that are more common among the godless. But let’s stay on the topic of 9/11. How, we wonder, does one go about squaring Kay’s “God as prophylactic against superstition” argument with the fact that (from Gallup’s 2006 findings) “those who attend church more are much more likely to … believe that [Saddam] Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks”? We’re talking 52 per cent of evangelical Protestants here, and 48.5 per cent of weekly church-attenders versus 24.4 per cent of those who stay home of a Sunday. Ouija boards are harmless fun—or harmless, anyway. Believing Saddam (or Mossad for that matter) masterminded 9/11 is neither of those things.

Could it be that those who believe the Bible is the literal truth are more likely to believe all sorts of other things are literal truth—things that emphatically aren’t? Could it be that people are simply less likely to dabble in beliefs that they’re told, every Sunday, will earn them a first-class ticket to hell? Makes sense to us. But we’re not here to rank our misbegotten beliefs. Let she who is without superstition write the first column, we say. (Just save a bit of the action for Barbara Kay, will ya?) We hereby suggest, without much statistical evidence to back it up, that troglodytic credulousness transcends religion, class, race, educational achievement, brainpan size and age. And we’re sure all our readers agree.

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  • Mike T.

    I know I’m just further pounding on a soft target, but I would like to say that I hope the questions listed were approximations and not exact. Because the tavern at the end of my street is “haunted”, by me, every Friday evening. And it is entirely possible that scientists may discover creatures ‘like’ the loch ness monster and bigfoot.

    furthermore, religion is IN ITSELF superstition. Unless these people were attending a place of worship twice or more a week (!!) out of habit or for fun, chances are that close to 100% already believe in irrational, mystical beliefs.

  • Jack Mitchell

    Yeah, Mike T., exactly: if you’re all hell-bent (as it were) on the Rapture, you don’t have much room left in your credulity for UFO’s.

    You know, it’s pretty hard to take seriuosly any column (/post) that gets published only because its author’s son is the editorial page editor.

  • Ian

    Very interesting post, Chris. Reminds me of a very similar analysis of survey data I read recently.

    This fellow:

    http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/10/acceptance_of_human_evolution.php

    took General Social Survey (1976-2006) data and tested the theory that Creationists are less intelligent than people who believe in evolution.

    It’s a very comprehensive look at the data, and he bases his hypothesis this initial observation:

    There are several variables in the GSS which ask respondents about their views on evolution, and the more intelligent and educated a person is the more likely they are to accept evolution.

    What he found, though, is that belief in evolution and intelligence are correlated but not directly linked. In fact, it seems religious people of higher intelligence are actually less likely to believe in evolution (perhaps because they see the logical conflict between the theory and the teachings in the Bible?).

    It’s a long read, but here’s a general conclusion:

    From these data I conclude that it seems that ideology, group identification and social conformity probably has more to do with how plausible one finds human evolution than intelligence. Granted, as you can see, intelligence remains powerfully predictive for some subgroups, but it is not a significant predictor in other groups.

  • Lord Bob

    You know, it’s pretty hard to take seriuosly any column (/post) that gets published only because its author’s son is the editorial page editor.

    Barbara Kay isn’t always so bad, and she’s been known to shine lights on parts of our society that other columnists ignore. But at the same time, she can go a little whacko on us from time to time.

    Sometimes whacko works, though. Hell, Colby Cosh wrote a brilliant column on yogurt in that same edition. :P

  • Lord Kitchener’s Own

    The quote is very interesting, “belief in God is a prophylactic against superstition”. Wouldn’t most atheists say that “belief in God IS superstition”?

    To an atheist, I would imagine upon read the statement “belief in God is a prophylactic against superstition” the immediate reaction would be to wonder which word in that statement the author fails to understand, “belief”, “God”, “superstition”, or “prophylactic”.

    And this is great: “the more traditional and evangelical the respondent, the less likely he was to believe in, for instance, the possibility of communicating with people who are dead”. So, communicating with the dead? Silly. The dead coming back to life? Any day now.

    Makes sense to me.

    I think Jack’s got it right. If you believe that four men on horses are going to signal the end of the world, at which time the dead will rise and the righteous will be lifted into the clouds to spend eternity in the sky with an old bearded man and His Son (who is also Him), while the evil burn in fire, perhaps you have no credulity left over to believe in aliens.

    Perhaps what this survey really says is that all humans have an absolute limit to the amount of crazy unsubstantiated things we’ll believe, and it’s just that we each spend that limit on different crazy irrational beliefs.

  • Ti-Guy

    Excellent meta-punditry, Mr. Selley. Good of you to expose the laziness we’re so often subjected to, especially the intellectual sloth of Barbara Kay.

  • Andrew

    Thanks for calling her on it, Selley. I’m guessing if self-respect isn’t enough, fear of being called on this sort of thing is the only way we can stop this kind of intellectually lazy reporting.

  • sw

    It’s obviously no surprise to anyone that B.Kay wrote something stupid and uninformed, but the fact that she stole her argument is particularly delicious considering this post from all of three days ago.

  • Geiseric the Lame

    The God-botherers rally the troops.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    “belief in God is a prophylactic against superstition.”

    I agree that’s a really bizarre statement from an atheist’s perspective.

    I don’t know much about how Protestants think, but I kinda recall from my intermittent sunday school lessons that Catholics definitely don’t believe in ghosts, except for one Holy Ghost, because our souls go to purgatory and than heaven or hell. There are no lost souls wandering the earth, according to Catholics.

    Many of us who don’t think man made global warming is happening think the true believers are zealots that resemble a church based movement.

    It seems to me that believing in something otherworldly is part of the human condition and we just disagree on the details.

  • Oh Boy

    That Kay makes dubious assertions based on research she hasn’t actually reviewed should surprise no one. Barbara Kay has, for years, published abject hokum and outright falsehoods in her National Post columns. On one hobby horse, abortion, she is a serial offender, repeatedly putting forward arguments that are not supported by facts, like statistics, and are very often the opposite of measurable, testable reality. When challenged, her editors assert that they do not fact check the columns of opinion columnists (I have kept some of their replies, for posterity). Therefore, the NattyPost is okay with pundits publishing falsehoods as facts under their masthead. Quality journalism, Canadian-style.

  • Dave

    “belief in God is a prophylactic against superstition.”

    In the same way that pregnancy is a contraceptive?

    Very nice post, Chris.

  • Jack Mitchell

    Oh Boy: “her editors assert that they do not fact check the columns”

    Would you fact check your own mother?

  • Karol Karolak

    I enjoyed Barbara Kay’s article immensely as once again she hit the nail right on the head.
    Chris Selley’s logic is seriously flawed so it is difficult to give any weight to it.
    In Polish language we have a proverb that says: “Pound your fist on the table and scissors will start ringing.”

    Barbara Kay’s committed serious blasphemy by poking fun on Atheists (read: Secular Humanists) and Chris Selley’s reaction to Barbara Kay’s piece just proved that this old Polish proverb is universal across the globe.

    I would like to use the occasion of Chris Selley’s attack on Barbara Kay’s article to take Barbara’s point one step further and inform readers of this blog that Canadian Atheists or Secular Humanists as they call themselves are just another religious cult “the Church of Secularism, Abortion and Sexual Deviancy” where Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is their new Bible, abortion and gay marriage are their new Holy Sacraments, adoption their new form of procreation, Supreme Court of Canada their equivalent of Vatican, “Queen Beverly” their Pope, SCC decisions their equivalents of Pope’s Edicts, Family Courts are their churches, and so on.

    If I may paraphrase Chris Selley’s conclusion it would go like this,

    Could it be that those who believe the Bible is the literal truth and have committed mortal sins of abortion (murder of innocent) or sodomy have no faith in God’s forgiveness? Could it be that people who sinned against their God and their Religion find their comfort in rejecting God and denying his existence?? Could it be that people who sinned and subsequently rejected God and their own Religion are attempting to build their own churches on East side of Eden in land Nod that was ceded to Kain after he killed his bother?? Could it be that in their efforts to build their church they are willing to use any materials (beliefs) that they can find there??? It makes sense to me. But I’m not here to rank their misbegotten beliefs. Let he who does not consider himself an outcast of religion of his youth write the first column, I say. (Just save a bit of the action for Chris Selley, will ya?) I hereby suggest, without much statistical evidence to back it up, that troglodytic credulousness flourishes among sexual deviants, abortionists and self defined religious outcasts (secularists), regardless of their class, race, educational achievement, brainpan size and age. And I am sure all readers agree.”

  • WRP

    GODS & GODDESSES ARE

    JUST SILLY IMAGINATIONS

    OF

    VERY GULLIBLE MINDS

    BY WILLIAM RAYMOND PICKARD

    PART ONE: If God really exists, then He needs to make a serious career change.

    PART TWO: How, when, and why did humans start believing in Gods?

    PART THREE: If Gods, the Devil, Heaven, and Hell do not exist, how can there be Sin?

    PART FOUR: Do humans have souls?

    PART FIVE: Do ghosts, guardian angels, spirits, fairies, sprites, specters, and other such entities actually exist?

    PART – ONE

    If God Really Exists, then

    He needs to make a serious career change!

    The issue of whether there is, or is not, a God has been bantered around by scholars and lay people alike for countless centuries. Strangely enough, this mental creation of this mystical being exists in every culture of human existence. Although God is portrayed very differently in all religious faiths, each claims that they and they alone, have the “Real God,” and therefore, the only correct religion. Some people actually believe that God is real and that He is a benevolent being who rewards the good people and punishes the evil doers.

    NOT!

    NO WAY JOSE! THINK AGAIN!

    TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF AND
    SEE THE REAL WORLD!

    Humans are very weak minded animals that constantly need reassurance that there is a God that will protect them and save them from damnation. That is not true however for the rest of the animals in the world. Animals on the Earth do not need this assurance of a God. They live their lives as best they can, they do what ever they must do to survive and they don’t rely on a savior to cleanse them of their sins or mistakes. It thus must make us wonder which of the animal species is the more intelligent. However, based on our history, it is obvious that the human animal is definitely not at the head of the class.

    Like “God,” “damnation” (Hell) is also a human made-up location, created by religious leaders to humble their flocks of believers. Likewise, “Heaven” is another far-fetched imaginary place of bliss and pleasure, and reserved only for the righteous believers. However, keep in mind that attendance to that Heavenly location is restricted to those who confess their sins in time. A mass murderer who has been evil all of his life can confess his sins as he enters the death chamber, and he is forgiven and he is allowed into Heaven. Meanwhile, the poor soul who has been a righteous lady for 99.999 percent of her life, and she sins a few minutes before she is killed in an accident, is sent to Hell because she did not confess her sins in time for forgiveness, before she died. WHAT KIND OF SICK JUSTICE IS THAT?

    Of course, that is assuming that you believe in God. Personally, I am certain that He does not exist and never has. But if you want to believe that He does, then perhaps you should tell Him to change careers because He has really bungled it as a God.

    Since time began, God has screwed up everything He has tried to do. According to the scriptures, on the first day He separated the firmament to create Heaven and Earth. Of course He had a lot of leftover materials, so apparently He simply tossed it into outer space to land wherever it might land. My first instinct commands me to ask why he created Earth. Once He had created Heaven He should have stopped right there, but “NO” He had to go too far and make the Earth too. Regardless, the universe ended up as massively large, so by now God should have been very tired and He or She should have rested on Day Two, not Day Seven. Maybe then He would have realized how He had messed up the universe.

    In addition, given more time to ponder the situation, God could have decided whether the universe should be expanding or contracting. Now to us, it doesn’t seem like that big a problem, but for God, that must have given Him a real headache because billions of years later, He still hasn’t solved that dilemma. This is not the only time that God had a problem making decisions. If God is so omnipotent, then why didn’t He make the stars eternal? Instead, every day stars are dying, exploding or going supernova, and God has to start over by making new ones somewhere else. Unfortunately these exploding stars go crashing into other stars and it is all God’s fault for poor planning. Like a spoiled child that smashes his building blocks to see them fly everywhere, God destroys galaxies. Maybe He does it intentionally. Consequently, the next thing that you notice is that the universe is filled with gamma rays, beta rays, dislocated electrons, shooting meteors, comets and fragments of stars. They are all part of this mess that God created.

    If these were God’s only mistakes, perhaps we might be able to forgive Him for His incompetence. But no, this was just one of many more mistakes that He would make. According to the scriptures again, He parted the seas from the land. Now this sounds reasonable, but perhaps He should have left the Earth in a more mixed format. Scientists tell us that at one time in the distant past, all of the continents were combined as one massive continent. At this point God should have taken a second day of rest before continuing. God was not happy with this mess that he had made, so He decided that the tectonics plates under the land and water areas should be broken up and free to move about. Then after He gave some of these plates a gentle shove, the large continent started to break up and go cruising across the seas.

    God should not have tampered with it, because it wasn’t long before some tectonic plates and continental fragments went crashing into each other, causing quakes, mountains, ravines and ocean trenches. Sure, we ended up with a lot more continents and with a variety of climate choices, but maybe just one continent would have probably turned out better for mankind and animals.

    Another puzzling feature of God’s earthly creation was His obsession with water. He poured most of it on Earth and ripped off most of the other planets in our solar system. In fact, until now, scientists have been unable to find another planet in the universe with as much water as on Earth. In addition, God wasn’t very accurate in his placement of the Earth from the sun. Why didn’t he place it a little closer so that days, months and years would come out even instead of a hodge-podge of fractions? Again, this was very poor planning on God’s part. Of course if He had to do it all over again, odds are that He would make the same mistakes again.

    The next aspect of God’s creations that we must analyze is His concept of space and distances. If God really planted a Garden of Eden on Earth, then why didn’t He plant many more of them on planets nearby, not 12 light years away? Was this His way to assure that His created earthlings could not exchange opinions with Vegalings or Dracolites? Did He already know that He had screwed things up on Earth, and He didn’t want word of His screw ups to spread across the universe? We will never know for sure, but suspicions are growing in that direction.

    By now, the “fun” had just begun in the Garden of Eden. He created lots of different animals for the land and in the seas, but then He realized He had made another blunder. He had only made male animals, like Adam. Now, starting with Adam, God had to take back a rib and create a woman for him. Now that must have been an extra large rib or else, Eve was a very tiny woman. In any event, when she died, there would not be much dust left from her carcass. Now if He goofed the same way with all of the other animals, then He would have had to take ribs from all of them to make female copies. Perhaps He should have created a Xerox machine first, and it would have made His labors easier. Since most females of the species are smaller than their male counterparts, we have a pretty good idea of how many blunders God had to fix. Perhaps this would also explain the existence of pygmy elephants, since I am sure most male elephants would not approve of God taking one of their larger ribs for any cockamamie reason. Anyway, I digress.

    So eons after eons later God was busy making females from ribs of males. Then when He was finished, He commanded them to go forth and multiply. Unfortunately, His creations still hadn’t mastered adding or subtracting, so how could He expect them to multiply. He did however manage to show the amoeba how to eat and multiply by dividing. As a teacher, I would still have to give God a failing grade. Furthermore, no where in the scriptures does it mention God setting up sex-education classes, so Adam and Eve and the rest of the animals had to fend for themselves and figure things out by trial and error. Moreover, since God supposedly impregnated the Virgin Mary through Immaculate Conception, why did He even waste time with Adam and Eve when He could have use the old Immaculate Conception method several dozens times on Eve? Maybe then she would have given birth to some girls.

    With Eve, He made an even bigger blunder than with the other animals. Eve only had three sons and no daughters. Then one son, Cain killed Abel, leaving Adam and Eve with only two sons. Now how did God expect Cain and Seth to multiply unless He was saving the monkeys for them? At least that way, it would explain how we evolved from apes. Furthermore, if God was so arrogant to assume that mankind would want to be modeled after His image, then perhaps he should have selected a better image to copy. One only needs to travel around the world and it becomes obvious that there are a lot of pitiful human creations out there. If God had taken mandatory rest periods, perhaps He could have come up with a better image for humans. Maybe birds or fish would have been more successful. As it now stands, our bodies are liquid blobs of fat, flesh, bone and skin, all dependent on the trillions of bacteria and germs to sustain us. We can’t even eat and digest our food without them. If these tiny critters ever decide to unionize, and go on strike, we are doomed.

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