Catch the EKOSine wave (34/25/20/11/10)

by kadyomalley on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 9:59pm - 36 Comments

National Federal Vote Intention

Conservatives: 34 (+1)

Liberals: 25 (-1)

New Democrats: 20 (+1)

Greens: 11 (-1)

Bloc Quebecois: 10

Magic numbers here.

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  • madeyoulook

    Very tangential thinking on the title, ITQ.

  • kody

    “Canadians seem stuck between repellent poles,” said EKOS President Frank Graves. “There is limited enthusiasm for a Tory majority, or even a Tory government. But the obvious alternative – a Dion government – hardly seems appetizing either for most Canadians.”

    “We have seen this in campaigns before,” said Graves, “when each time the electorate collectively begins to consider one of the alternatives for government, voters start drifting in the opposite direction.”

    Now where have we heard that before??

    I called it the pause effect.

    When it gets close, voters have to start considering Dion at the helm.

  • sf

    Interesting that timing the sine wave reveals the future.
    Maybe instead of an election, we could have a game of musical chairs in the House of Commons.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    To paraphrase Mr. Graves…
    There is limited enthusiasm for an EKOS Poll….
    Yawn!

  • Anon

    Does anybody pay EKOS for these polls, or does he just set his robo-dialer on auto and …?

  • kody

    Note to those who use “yawn” in an effort to overtly show lack of caring (thereby implicitly showing that you do in fact care):

    an exclamation point after the yawn,

    turns the implicit into the explicit.

    Cheers.

  • Bruce

    PM sees trouble ahead for the economy;

    http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/287680

  • Wascally Wabbit

    Wow Kody – you just raised your game…
    Aside from the possible grammatical Booboo…I still don’t care!
    rock on Nik – Nok it out of the park tomorrow!

  • kody

    Paul Wells:

    I hope to hear from you in the next few days.

    I assume that if you’re willing to dance around the euphoric liberal partisan fire, in an orgy of free spirited chiding, haranguing, and anti-conservative decadence,

    with that tantalizing (for Liberals) Nanos poll today,

    that you’ll refrain from going fishing if things look tough for Dion,

    and give credit if credit is due???

  • Francien Verhoeven

    Over the past week the polls have been all over the map. It appears as if we’re having an election with the polls forming the slate of candidates or parties.

    That’s interesting, I find, because that would mean that this election could be considered as being the first in which humans are to be replaced by momentum. But, could momentum actually govern, I wonder?

  • Jarrid

    Ekos uses a much bigger sample than Nanos and hence the lower margin of error. Plugging these figures in Knowlton:

    Conservatives 135
    Liberals 74
    NDP 45
    Bloc 54

    Have all the Nanos kool-aid drinkers gone to bed already? Must be from nervous system overload to the over-heated reaction to Oracle Nic’s daily tiny 400 sample rolling poll.

  • Dennis Prouse

    At what point does a Conservative minority become a de facto majority? 140 seats? 145? With Peter Milliken as Speaker and Andre Arthur as a reliable independent vote, their magic number is not 155, but rather 153. Keep in mind that the Conservatives managed to pass a surprising number of Bills in the last House with only 125 members. A well disciplined group of, say, 145 could probably pass whatever they wanted to pass, within reason, for at least two years.

  • http://demosthenes.blogspot.com Demosthenes

    …and if margin of error were the only consideration for pollsters, you might have a point, jarrid.

    But it isn’t.

    And you don’t.

  • David

    But, could momentum actually govern, I wonder?

    Maybe Alan Gregg could work that into his next round of idiotic fieldwork asking respondents about “momentum”.

  • David

    Ekos uses a much bigger sample than Nanos and hence the lower margin of error.

    Anybody can get a big sample with a demon-dialler. This is a crap “polling” method.

  • Don Mitchell

    Wow polls are up in Libs favour, out comes the usual gang “Its very accurate, Conbots toast”

    Polls are up in Cons favour, out comes the usual gang “Its very accurate, Liebrals toast”

    I think Kady and Paul are just having a lot of fun with you guys and gals.

  • Archangel

    madeyoulook,

    more like elliptical.

  • southernontarioan

    David:

    I don’t want to run off on a tangent, nor would I want to see obtuse. But I think your reasoning doesn’t square with what we know.

    The aim of using non-human ‘pollsters’ is to remove any potential for voters to be influenced by the existence of a human pollster. Sometimes voters are hesitant to reveal their vote to a human being (for one reason or another) and so they might feel more comfortable answering that question to a machine.

    It’ll be interesting analyzing the after election results to see which group got it most correct.

  • Richard MacKinnon

    Your just taunting us with polls cos you can.

  • Jarrid

    What I find particularly edifying is the continued Conservative lead in Ontario: Conservatives 35, Liberals 31. In the last election, the Liberals came out ahead 40 to 35. It looks like the Conservative support has remained while the Liberal vote has bled badly to the NDP and the Greens. That should result in a bevy of Conservative seats in the 905.

  • Jason

    Don Mitchell nails it perfectly in #16.

  • RyanD

    Kady- Usually I applaud your creative post titles but today you have gone too far!!! It took me a decade to get over the trauma of grade 12 Trigonomotry and now this!!! The title was bad enough but I’m not sure I can bear any more math puns in the comments. All I ask is that I can get my pre-work blog fix without any reference to Trig! Is that so much too ask?!

  • Wascally Wabbit

    Jarrid -

    Dream on…Haprer is cooked in Ontario…
    Heck – even John Tory and Co. joined McGuinty and Howy the Hamster in asking Harper where their $20 billion is…

  • A.Political

    comment by Bruce on Tuesday, October 7, 2008 at 10:44 pm:

    PM sees trouble ahead for the economy;

    http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/287680

    ============

    Notice Harper lumps the costs of controlling climate control in to the evil things threatening the economy?

    He still just doesn’t get it, hey Stevie, it’ll create jobs too ya know! But I also know you beholden to to your oily masters.

    But check out the UofT study released today saying not only will Alberta be polluted but all of us in the Great Lakes regions will be also!! Thanks Alberta, now quit moaning about equalization or keep your pollution to yourselves.

  • A.Political

    YAY!!!
    —–
    Oil sands will pollute Great Lakes, report warns
    MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT
    October 8, 2008 at 1:55 AM EDT

    The environmental impacts of Alberta’s oil sands will not be restricted to Western Canada, researchers say, but will extend thousands of kilometres away to the Great Lakes, threatening water and air quality around the world’s largest body of fresh water.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081008.wlakes08/BNStory/National/home

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