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BTC: Three days

by Aaron Wherry on Friday, October 17, 2008 9:37pm - 115 Comments

Stephen Harper, Oct. 14. “Our election platform is not full of grandiose, costly promises. It’s a prudent approach. We can afford it. We’ll never go back into deficit. Stéphane Dion has a different approach. His risky carbon tax proposal would make energy more expensive, increasing prices for everything from groceries to gas. It’s never a good time to introduce a new tax like that, but it’s especially risky these days. It’s an experiment Canadians can’t risk. Dion also announced enormous spending promises that we can’t afford. He would put Canada into deficit again.”

Stephen Harper, Oct. 17. “I don’t think we’re in a position yet to know all the information in that regard. It would be premature to speculate on that.”

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  • http://economics.about.com Mike Moffatt

    Secondly, a lot of the government’s spending initiatives have come in the form of “tax credits”, which are spending programs in disguise.

  • http://economics.about.com Mike Moffatt

    Thirdly, program expenses have gone *up* under the Conservatives, not down, according to the government’s own figures. See the 2008 budget:

    http://www.budget.gc.ca/2008/glance-apercu/brief-bref-eng.asp

    Program expenses as a Percentage of GDP:

    2006–07: 13.0
    2007-08: 13.2

  • Jenn

    Terry, were these commentators you refer to the American kind? You know, the ones who are handed talking points and are too lazy to even comprehend them before spouting them off as their own idea? If they also included the Canadian kind, my horror over the mainstream media meltdown has just increased.

    I mean, seriously, what lunatic would think that a person with NO MONEY–none, nada, zilch–to put in as a down payment can pay for a mortgage that, today, will cost them so much per month, but if the interest rate rises by even, say, a half percentage point, will be priced out of their league? I mean, we have PROOF these people aren’t good money savers. We know from bitter experience that shit happens (perhaps a temporary job loss or illness), and we also know that interest rates have a way of changing. Perhaps not monumentally, but they do change.

    Then add in the fact that even Presidents of the banks and investment companies had no way of knowing what they were investing in–because that’s the way these brainiacs themselves invented their investments–and it isn’t hard to see that if someone (I know! A Government!) imposed some prudent, mild regulations onto the system, neither of these two causes would have happened.

    Jwl, the problem with innovative private sector inventions is that quite often they cost more at the beginning than what they are designed to replace. Before economies of scale and all that can take effect. The days of plenty of brand spanking new inventions (the steam engine, telephone, computer technologies, etc.) may have come and gone. Now we are mostly inventing “improvements” or technologies that replace previous technologies. And that means that often the improvements have to be at least as cheap as the technology they are designed to replace. Here’s where governments can step in to give a helping hand. They can either tax the older technology (coal derived electricity) or give tax credits to the new technology (solar panels) or do a bit of both. We will get there eventually without government intervention since the supply of coal or other dirty energy sources will dry up and therefore the price will rise on its own. But wouldn’t it be kind of neat to hurry that process along, thereby slowing the ruination of the planet we need to live on? I’m NOT talking climate change (although, I don’t mean to assert that all scientists ascribing to the theory are wrong–I’m just not positive they’re right) I’m talking pollution. We already know that breathing dirty air, drinking dirty water is bad for our health (and that costs us in the end due to higher health care costs).

    So, giving alternative energy a helping hand is an investment. The long-term variety to be sure, but a mild and prudent thing to do.

  • Sean S.

    While we’re talking about the merits of public investments and taxation to enable innnovation and use of non-fossil fuel energies, I think it’s fair to keep in mind that we subsidize the consumption of fossil fuels quite a bit, as things stand.

    We spend a great deal of public monies on roads, as opposed to rail lines, for example. (Think of the generally poor system of bicycle trails and lanes in most Candian towns and cities as another case in point).

    Here in Ontario, we’ve been tossing millions (probably billions) of dollars into the automotive industry for a few generations. It creates and protects jobs, to be sure, but at the same time still serves to prop up broader patterns of consumption that rely on fossil fuels.

    School busses represent an enormous burden upon the education budget of many boards. Because the costs are shared by all, it tends to be a socialized form of assistance for those families who choose to live too far away from schools.

    I’m not really trying to take a position on the merits of government involvement in green technologies and alternative fuels here (I have one!). But I think it’s unfair to consider the status quo as somehow less of an intervention by the state – the few examples I’ve raised suggest that we are already intensely involved in the current complex of fuel use and technology.

  • motor

    Harper speech on Oct 7th:
    ____________________

    So let me be crystal clear.

    A Conservative Government will not be raising taxes.
    We will not impose a carbon tax.
    We will not cancel planned tax reductions for business.
    We will not be running a deficit.
    We will keep our spending within our means.
    It is that simple.The alternative is not a plan. It is just the consequence of complete panic, and this government will not panic at a time of uncertainty.
    _______________________________________

    * Note the 5th line- We will not be running a deficit.

  • Blues Clair

    I expect Harper to:

    Impose a Carbon Tax (2009 or 2010)
    Run a Deficit
    Not Keep spending within our means

  • Geiseric the Lame

    thanks, motor.

  • motor

    Your very welcome Geiseric.

    I didn’t want anyone to incorrectly think that Harper didn’t rule out a deficit during the campaign.

  • Archangel

    Motor…

    Are you suggesting Harper LIED?!! OMG!

  • catherine

    Flaherty knows all about selling off assets to try to balance the books. When there is nothing left to sell, then Harris/Harper steps down.

  • Jenn

    Hey, good points Sean. And Catherine, I’d (well, I didn’t forget he did it, Flaherty’s my most hated political person because of it) not thought about that selling off assets gambit. And see, this is why this staring the results in the face and not equating it with the policy thing drives me up the wall. He probably will do it again.

    And to get back to the concept that all of the politicians truly love the country (Duceppe excepted), maybe they do, but can it be any clearer that they love ‘winning’ or ‘power’ more than if Flaherty starts selling assets?

  • D

    You reap what you sow. If you elect someone who panders to populism via bad economics and environmental policy, you shouldn’t be surprised when the economy starts running a deficit.

    As Dion said a few days ago, Harper is campaigning on a lie. Actually Harper has spouted several lies in the last couple of years; it’s hard to keep track of them all. But hey, 38% of Canadians elected him PM (with some help from our hopelessly archaic electoral system) so, enjoy the upcoming bumpy ride…

  • Ti-Guy

    Harper really only had to gull 22% of the electorate anyway, so kudos to Him for successfully recognising that.

    It’s mandate-a-licious, that’s for sure.

  • David

    Note the 5th line- We will not be running a deficit.

    Is there any significance in the fact that the statement is in the future progressive instead of the simple future?

  • catherine

    Wow, David, you are good! That slipped by me. Harper is a master liar, meaning he is a master at purposely saying things to mislead and deceive Canadians, while choosing words in such a way that in his own devious head he manages to think of himself as not a liar.

    On his fixed election date law, he said that it would prevent his own government from falling unless it lost the confidence of the House. Of course, everyone thought of the usual confidence motions and no one thought Harper would simply declare his government to have lost confidence over the objection of the Opposition. Similarly, during the election, Harper said the mission in Afghanistan would end as we know it in 2011 . That simply means the mission after 2011 will be whatever Harper wants it to be, but he wanted everyone in Quebec to think it would actually end.

    From all the newspaper reports, Harper was clearly saying he would never run a deficit during his term in office. That is what he wanted them to think, but you have to go back to his original words and replies. It is possible in Harper’s own head, his words simply mean that sometime in the future he will not have a deficit, but there will be deficits along the way.

    Actually, I find deciphering Harper’s words like this, while possible, is tiresome and it is a good approximation to simply assume everything out of Harper’s mouth is a lie and take it from there. But, still, good catch on your part.

  • motor

    David, do you mean like when Harper said:

    “When Ralph Goodale tried to tax income trusts, don’t forget, don’t forget this, they showed us where they stood. They showed us about their attitudes towards raiding seniors hard earned assets, and a Conservative government will never allow either of these two parties to get away with that”. “A Conservative party will NEVER allow these parties to get away with that in the future”.

    [Page 32 of the Conservatives party's election platform ( Stand up for Canada ): preserve income trusts by not imposing any new taxes on them.]

  • motor

    Archangel, I would never suggest that Harper is a pathological liar.

  • 1777

    “Pathological lying is falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime”

    No, I wouldn’t say Harper is a pathological liar, but I would say he is a liar and will bend, manipulate, or outright break his word if he thinks it is in his best interest.

  • kody

    The notion that educated people believe that the free market is for “small stuff” and that government is best for the important developments,

    is rather frightening.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go, and put on my government issued apparel, get in my government created vehicle, drive to the airport and take the government invented plane.

    Before leaving I have to make sure my children’s government invented antibiotics don’t need a refill, lest my child dies of her infection. On my way out, I’ll turn out the government invented lights, run by government invented electricity. Oh I better fill up with government gas on the way or I’ll have to call a government taxicab.

    Geez, we would still be living in caves if it wasn’t for government inventions.

  • Anonymous

    Written by Tim Stephens, Astrologer, about Harper:-

    OCTOBER 19 – OCTOBER 25, 2008
    “Harper is a TAURUS with a tenth house Moon. That makes him proud, ambitious, practical, and stubborn – an all-round leadership type. Harper was born with Neptune opposite his Sun – an indicator of prevarication. Harper’s Sun degree is that of the father, or shepherd – he would never desert his children, or his electorate. He probably feels that some of his more draconian actions (e.g., decimating senior’s nest eggs via the income trust betrayal) were necessary “for their own good.” Dion tends to benefit others more than himself. Harper’s Sun degree also demands sacrifice – from others.”

    http://www.astralreflections.com/html/next.html

  • Jarrid

    OMG – someone’s been consulting Nancy Reagan’s star reader. Why don’t we pull out the Tarot cards and the ouija board for good measure.

  • catherine

    I agree that Harper is not a pathological liar. His lies to Canadians are always towards a specific goal, getting more political power.

  • kody

    Harper Derangement Syndrome

    I see it’s in full bloom.

    I predict that by the next election, Harper’s eeeeeeeevil will perhaps, perhaps, only be proclaimed outdone by Hitler, Pol Pot, and Mugabe (the last one will definitely be close),

    though I suspect the left will skate very close to the line so as to draw the necessary comparisons,

    time and time again.

    Upward and onward with the fever pitch!

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    Kody, my love: Are you really going to try to tell me – with a straight face, no less – that you can’t find countless examples of similarly demented thinking emanating from the rightward side of the Canadian politosphere? Because that would be just silly. No one party has a monopoly on hyperbole.

  • Lord Bob

    Personally, I think the Liberals hit a high note with “Soldiers with guns in Canada. We’re not making this up,” and have spent every year since trying to make up for the fact that they peaked too early.

    Certainly, the Conservatives have had their share of insane hyperbole. But Liberal hyperbole is somehow funnier.

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