The end of a dionysty? Liveblogging the Liberal Leader's first post-election press conference

by kadyomalley on Monday, October 20, 2008 12:55pm - 134 Comments

1:39:40 PM
Oh my goodness, y’all, it’s a good thing I got here early, because not only is the place filling up quickly – there are more than a dozen of us here already, including Colleague Wherry – but this is the premiere appearance of the newly refurbished National Press Theatre! Which – actually looks a lot like the oldly unrefurbished NPT, as it turns out, although there are two new flatscreen TVs boasting a stylized Canadian Parliamentary Press Gallery logo. Other than that, the consensus is that it looks pretty much exactly the same as when we last saw it, but I’m sure the difference, though subtle, is well worth whatever we spent on it.

1:43:44 PM
“If he doesn’t resign, I hope they don’t pan to me,” says one reporter; it is a sentiment shared by all. Not to mention the fact that a twist like that would instantly render this the world’s most awkward press conference. Oh, and democracy. I’m sure it would have some impact on the world outside this room, too.

It’s a bit of a first-day-at-school feeling in the audience — for a lot of journalists who were on tour, this is the first time they’ve seen the rest of us — all of the rest of us — in nearly two months. It’s nice, really. I’ve missed us.

1:47:02 PM
Outside, I should mention, there is a mid-sized contingent of camera crews awaiting the arrival of the man of the hour, and shivering – or stoically refusing to shiver – in the unseasonably brisk autumn air.

1:48:40 PM
Hey, it’s the president of the press gallery at the mic – that would be Richard Brennan of the Toronto Star – with bad news: the plan is for Dion to give an opening statement of “ten to twelve minutes” – and – the kicker, which does not go over at all well – is that he’s only taking four questions: two English and two French. The obligatory grumbling breaks out, but is quickly subsumed by frantic brainstorming on what to ask.

1:52:30 PM
I wish I could liveblog the back and forth going on right now – well, the one amongst the English reporters, at least; sadly, I can’t hear the French discussion, although it is equally intense. It’s a fascinating demonstration of real life crowdsourcing, and makes me proud of my colleagues for working together. Which isn’t to say that we’re happy about it – “Why should we accept that?” Wonders one reporter. “Why should the gallery accept this?” Well, it’s not like we have much leverage in this particular instance, but I know what she means.

1:53:24 PM
Scott Simms is here! He was the very first MP to be confirmed as elected last Tuesday night, and he looks as merry as always. I wonder if he knows something we don’t.
Does he know who the interim leader will be? If he does, he’s not saying.

1:58:27 PM
Two minute warning! (And while I’m at it, let me insert my now boringly familiar whine about the NPT earpieces. As I just told the person sitting next to me, it is always an unpleasant shock to be reminded that I do not have human ears. Damn alien DNA.)

2:01:25 PM
Okay, he’s late, but on the plus side, I seem to have jammed my ear into the tiny plastic shackle. My kingdom for a Babelfish.

2:05:01 PM
A Martha Hall Findlay sighting! Maybe she’ll be the interim leader. Hey, they could do worse – but she probably wants to run for the permanent gig.

2:06:14 PM
Okay, Mr. Dion is In The Building, and we just got the *real* two minute warning. The cameras have thronged in, and are surrounding the stage; one of Dion’s aides just brought out a copy of his notes, and laid them reverently on the desk. Or table. We can hear disembodied voices over the audio channel – there seems to be some shock at the size of the crowd, which is standing room only. I wonder if they know they’re live?

2:07:51 PM
And he’s here – looking surprisingly chipper, although not as canary-fed-catlike as Scott Simms. After a brief introduction from Richard Brennan, he’s off.

2:09:09 PM
Dion starts out by reflecting on what brought him into public life in the first place before dropping the first bombshell: He plans to resign as leader, but he’s not stepping down in the interim – for transition purposes, and to “prepare the party” for the coming leadership convention.
“I will stay as leader until a new leader is chosen,” he repeats, in English. Sorry, John, sorry Ralph – looks like he’s sticking around for the next few months.

2:12:10 PM
More speechifying – really, he’s allowed a few minutes of uninterrupted musings, but I think the main story has already been decided: despite what all of those senior inside sources might have whispered into our collective ear, we the media were wrong once again — Dion is not going quietly into that good night. I’m not sure if this will turn out to be a smart move or not – but I guess we’ll see.

Thanks – and, in some cases, apologies – to all those Liberal candidates who stood for election during the last campaign. “I’m sorry,” he says to those who lost, before reminding those who won that they are now part of a “responsible opposition.”

2:16:28 PM
The party must “move fast”, he says, but look beyond leadership: “We must be willing to face up to uncomfortable realities — inconvenient truths.” With caucus coming up later this week, that may happen a lot sooner than he thinks. The party needs to “reverse the trend” of losing seats – and government – and — start winning both again, presumably.

2:17:56 PM
Eulogy for the Green Shift – a “good policy” that the Conservatives, through a massive advertising campaign – much of which aired before the election – transformed into a tax hike. He wants to make sure that the Tories aren’t able to do this to any other leader, which is why the party needs to bring its fundraising machinery “into the 21st century.”

2:19:53 PM
(Slight paraphrase) We cannot allow those with more money to distort the facts. And with that, he opens the floor for the four questions he’s agreed to take.

2:20:03 PM
First question – French – from TVA: How does he feel today? Well, he hopes the new leader “won’t be as vulnerable” to the base attacks of the Conservative Party.

2:21:31 PM
Roger Smith reels off a list of other possible reasons for his loss – language, failure to run negative ads, bad strategic decisions, etc — but Dion doesn’t accept his verdict that it was his fault, at least in part. According to Dion, he’s been told that his performance was “fine” – it’s that Canadians didn’t get to know the real Stephane Dion. As for the Green Shift, he says that the party simply “wasn’t equipped” to sell it in the face of the propaganda against it. “If we had been able to explain what kind of Prime Minister I would have been, we would have won.” But in a democracy, he notes, you don’t have to agree with the result of the election, but you have to accept it.

Roger Smith has gone rogue: He’s asking supplementary questions, rapidfire, hoping to squeeze in a few more English clips – and he succeeds.

2:25:31 PM
And now, time for the French questions, starting with Emmanuel Latraverse (whoops, got that wrong first time around), who also wonders what responsibiity he takes for the loss. Dion, however, blames the Conservatives for using strategy imported from the US, as well as Australia, although he agrees he should have “better explained” his “avant garde policy.”

2:27:53 PM
The new leader will decide on his (or her, presumably) own policies, Dion stresses – he just wants to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen to him (or her) as far as the overwhelming power of Conservative-financed propaganda. So there.

2:28:51 PM
Juliet O’Neil wonders if it is a “certainty’ that he will stay until the new leader is chosen –”yes, it is”, comes the response. She goes on – more postmortemy questions, which elicit the same response. At the end of the day, people were afraid of the Green Shift, which they mistook for a carbon tax. He wants to prepare the ground for a new leader, and make sure he won’t be vulnerable to the “same kind of politics.”

2:32:06 PM

“Are you bitter about the whole experience?” Asks David Akin, as Dion looks like he’s ready to wrap up. No, he’s not – well, that’s what he says, anyway. He was sad, but then he got it over with, and now he’s ready to move on.
Apparently, that was both literal and figurative – after finishing his answer, he gets up, gives a vague sort of “I’ll be seeing you” nod, and exits stage left. Or right, depending on your perspective. “This is sort of a dream scenario,” suggests one reporter as the pack files out. A fitting enough line to end this liveblog, really. Enjoy the onslaught of analysis that I’m sure is already flowing, from the same punditerati that brought you interim leaders John McCallum and Ralph Goodale!

UPDATE: The official announcement from the Liberal Party of Canada is now up.

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  • stewacide

    I don’t understand Dion’s logic here at all.

    He says he’s staying on to fix the Liberal Party’s fund raising woes… but isn’t his continued presence a sure enthusiasm drain??

    If he thinks he’s going to use this time to rebuild his stature in the party I think he’s sadly mistaken.

  • novagardener

    Mike514 on Monday, October 20, 2008 at 2:34 pm:

    It’s not amusing when you consider Dion mocked Harper’s media control methods: Limit questions, limit exposure to media, etc etc.

    Suddenly, Dion does an about-face, and limits questions and availability to the media during this past week.

    Can you provide a link Mike?

    BTW, he answered more than 4 media questions. He’s always answered more questions than Stevo ever did. Remember Stevo only wanted to answer questions from media he chose (who of course were pro Stevo such as Puffy Duffy and Safer Taber).

  • Jack Mitchell

    T. Thwim: “Thank goodness for Duffy that Mr. Harper has announced you’ll no longer need to be elected to get a senate seat. The anticipation must be killing him.”

    Fear not, Thwim! Under the charmingly archaic laws laid down by the Fathers, to be a Senator you have to be a) over 30, b) possessed of at least $4000, c) under 300 pounds. According to wikipedia, this was because in 1867 they did not yet have the specially treated wood we now take for granted, so the tensile strength of the Senate benches was far below what it is today. But they’ve never changed the regulation.

  • novagardener

    comment by stewacide on Monday, October 20, 2008 at 4:34 pm:

    I don’t understand Dion’s logic here at all.

    He says he’s staying on to fix the Liberal Party’s fund raising woes… but isn’t his continued presence a sure enthusiasm drain??

    If he thinks he’s going to use this time to rebuild his stature in the party I think he’s sadly mistaken.

    I don’t think he has any intention of running for leadership of his party. Stevo would love for Dion to step down right now. As the oppostion leader, there’s not much more than Stevo can throw at him. And, I would suggest that the Libs keep all comments to themselves, no ‘according to Lib top insiders’ comments to the MSM. Let the MSM pundits screw themselves.

  • Angelle

    The Conservatives limiting the number of questions and or not speaking to the media at all, seems to have worked very well for them, so maybe Mr.Dion was just indicating how “politics” needs to played. After all, it seems that answering more and more questions just gives more details for the “media” or pundits to latch on to and so dutifully report on. So be it, the way “politics” is done is as firmly ingrained as the “negative” advertising and personal attacks that the conservative were able to finance. This is what we have in the country, a political culture that is not about issues but about who wins at all cost, assign blame, get rid of the one’s who “loses” and start all over again. The only winners in the “multiple elections” is the media, and all of the printing industry that produces more and more materials to perpetuate this system which is increasingly becoming irrelevant as indicated by the number of people who actually voted. Plus que çà change, plus que çà revient la mène chose. A bientôt, on arrêt pas, on continue sur la même route.

  • http://prairiewrangler.wordpress.com/ Olaf

    Under the charmingly archaic laws laid down by the Fathers, to be a Senator you have to be a) over 30, b) possessed of at least $4000, c) under 300 pounds.

    I think these are reasonable, in that all three criteria disqualify me. Which I think we all can agree is best.

  • Mike Horn

    If a party doesn’t have the resources to sell something in the face of propaganda, why act as if it does?

  • Wayne

    novagardener : when it comes to quotes from anonymous insiders you haven’t heard anything yet (1) there will be the inevitable – but we can’t fundraise with only a verbal say so (heard that one before) (2) Iggy and Bobby drop the pretense of having a lieutenant to do their phoning and update their speed dialers – but don’t go on the record quite yet … maybe a subtle name drop or two(3)the second tier loyalists will aggregate around the top 3 choices and suck up until they can find something they can use to stab them in the back and renew their warm and fuzzies with the media – The game has just begun!

  • T. Thwim

    Back on topic, this is probably a good move by Dion. Harper et al can’t be sure now that their “everything is a confidence motion” strategy will work, since some people are already saying that Dion wouldn’t mind another shot at an election.

    Because the “conservatives” can’t be sure they won’t get an election from a confidence motion, Canadians can be pretty much assured that there won’t be any confidence motions other than the mandatory ones.

    Which means that promise they made of the crime bill being a confidence motion? The NDP should get on the government about that ASAP. Shame them into either publically breaking a promise or risking an election. And if the Liberals abstain, that also works for the NDP.

  • stewacide

    T. Thwim: I don’t follow.

    Even if Dion was so full of himself as to think he could fight and win another election, there’s NO WAY IN HELL his MPs would let that happen. I think the Conservatives will force far more concessions out of an impotent and discredited Dion than they would dare with McCallum or Goodale at the helm.

    The only justification for Dion staying on are Dion’s ego and Dion’s leadership debts. There is no upside to this for the party.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Dion is offered $200k to go away immediately. I’m sure somebody in the party is working the phones on that right now.

  • anon

    “But in the six days since the Liberals went down to defeat, we’ve been treated to a whole different Stephane Dion, courtesy of leaks from the party’s upper ranks. He was stubborn beyond belief. He was wilful, obstinate, immune to advice, unwilling to entertain suggestions from people who had been at the job of winning elections long before he came along. He refused to listen when the party’s pollster told him the Green Shift was deeply unpopular and needed to either be jettisoned or sold in a more innovative fashion if it was to be anything but an anchor on the party’s fortunes. He was deaf to the complaints of MPs who had to try and sell it on the doorsteps of voters and were getting rebuffed in no uncertain terms. He ignored party elders and campaign gurus — or simply didn’t speak to them — when they tried to put him on a more promising track. He bet everything on the Green Shift and stuck by it despite all efforts to wise him up.

    Weirdest of all, he thought he was doing fine. ”

    “But remember, folks, the Liberals wanted to make this guy prime minister. They wanted to impose the Green Shift even though so many of them shared the opinion of voters who considered it too confusing, too complex and too risky. They wanted to bet the economy on it, to roll the dice and hope for the best. They were willing to hand over 24 Sussex Drive to a man they considered to have questionable judgment and an aversion to good advice. They thought he was a bad campaigner, a poor strategist, a former academic of limited political skills who wasn’t up to the job. But they either kept their mouths shut or pretended Mr. Dion was the answer to Canada’s prayers. The reason they didn’t own up to their beliefs was because they wanted to protect their own jobs. If they admitted Mr. Dion was bad news, it would obviously scare away voters. Better to try and get him elected prime minister and hope the country survived.

    It doesn’t exactly encourage respect for those MPs who kept their eyes covered, their ears blocked and their mouths shut. It tells us all that politics is as phoney and self-serving as it is portrayed, that it’s all about getting elected — the good of the country is a secondary matter. It tells us the Liberals still haven’t learned anything abouty honesty. It tells us to be extremely wary of these guys, and whoever they pick to replace the unloved Mr. Dion.”

    National Post

  • Ryan

    A couple of points

    1) It is great fun to think of scenarios in which Dion would defeat the government and lead the Liberals into an election. I’m sure he’d love to, but I can’t see a caucus of people who prefer their chosen saviour to the incumbent getting on board with that.

    2) One possible bit of face saving news: If Dion stays on as leader until May, he will squeak past Paul Martin to be the Liberal Party’s second-shortest tenured leader (I think). It is appropriate for Mr. Martin to hang on to that record.

  • keith by the Bruce

    “It tells us the Liberals still haven’t learned anything about honesty. It tells us to be extremely wary of these guys, and whoever they pick to replace the unloved Mr. Dion.”

    “New Orleans SPP Summit: Fraser Institute dupes the public by rebranding SPP as North American Standards and Regulatory Area “. Friends of Science are designated as a charity also ? Should be if not .

  • keith by the Bruce

    “He was stubborn beyond belief. He was wilful, obstinate, immune to advice, unwilling to entertain suggestions from people who had been at the job of winning elections long before he came along. He refused to listen when the party’s pollster told him ”

    What about kicking chairs and mocking less than alpha male members of PMO while firing all that dared to bow ?

  • keith by the Bruce

    What about kicking chairs and mocking less than alpha male members of PMO while firing all that dared not to bow , slober and whorship?

    “The reason they didn’t own up to their beliefs was because they wanted to protect their own jobs.” (or be led out in RCMP ty wraps )?

  • Darren Trent

    keith by the Bruce, that was three do-overs..who do you think you are, Dion?

  • keith by the Bruce

    A 5pm duffer show and the “mans” jet were not idling for me . I enjoyed your come back as much as watching steve scurry away from the mike after his ” off the cuff” critic of Dion though .

  • Peter

    “A 5pm duffer show and the “mans” jet were not idling for me . I enjoyed your come back as much as watching steve scurry away from the mike after his ” off the cuff” critic of Dion though .”

    Keith the Bruce is clearly an alter-ego of Dion, no way antone else is that incomprehensible

  • Calgary Junkie

    Dion is clearly a climate change denier. The Liberal caucus is not warming to Mr. Dion, they are instead turning downright frigid.

    How did he miss all the anonymous, supposedly high-level calls of the last few days for his quick exit ?

    The LPC have created a Frankenstein, and have no obvious way to kill him off before he does further damage to their house. Dion the delusional loose cannon will be played like a fiddle by Harper and Layton.

    Liberal MPs, get out your pitchforks and torches !

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  • Darren Trent

    I predict that as soon as his leadership debts are paid off, he will depart.

  • Terry

    Of course Dion is staying on. That way the Liberal party can continue to abstain from votes to keep the Conservative party in power long enough to rebuild the party and its finances. Dion is already accused of supporting the conservatives, so what’s a few more stones on the scapegoat in the coming months?

    Then the new leader can claim a new era for the Liberal party.

  • Two Cents

    Jeesh. Liberals are arrognat in thinking the world revolves around them. To those of you Liberals fantasizing about Dion doing a Trudeau and defeating the government on the next budget in order to fight another election as leasder –don’t worry. The Bloc will never play along. The Bloc does not need another election right now.

  • Ti-Guy

    I predict that as soon as his leadership debts are paid off, he will depart.

    How obnoxious and juvenile.

  • hosertohoosier

    “Because the “conservatives” can’t be sure they won’t get an election from a confidence motion, Canadians can be pretty much assured that there won’t be any confidence motions other than the mandatory ones.”

    Mr. Thwim, the following assumptions underly your argument.

    1. The Conservatives would not like a premature election, initiated by the Liberals.
    2. The Conservatives would not want to face Dion mark II, and would rather face the next Liberal leader.

    Both are false – Harper would love to face Dion again, especially if Dion makes the election his own fault. Harper will continue to give the Liberals lots of opportunities to vote down his government.

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