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"Liberals appear to be continuing a pattern of taking the vote of immigrants and their offspring for granted."

by Paul Wells on Friday, October 24, 2008 7:34am - 36 Comments

And here’s why they maybe shouldn’t.

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  • Jarrid

    Stephen Harper is in the process of building the Conservative Party of Canada into a formidable political party which is capable of matching the formidable Liberal Party of Canada. This is one more indication of it.

    More and more the Liberals are finding that their Conservative opposition knows how to play the political game almost as well as they do, and in some areas, fundraising for example, they know how to play it better.

    I know some Liberal cheerleaders in the press find this development worrisome, but for objective observers of Canadian democracy, having two competitive political parties is a welcome development. For a while, this country was at risk of becoming a defacto one-party state.

  • Darrell

    Liberals have to stop taking a lot of things for granted. Including the idea that most Canadians are naturally likely to vote for a centrist Liberal party.

    They also have to start looking at their ‘lifelong voters’ and, instead of ignoring them, try to find ways to get them to donate or volunteer.

  • catherine

    I think media exposure of what all parties (as well as the government) are or are not doing to woo targeted groups is good.

    Harper’s strategy has been to work behind the scenes on ethnic groups, sending them personalized religious cards, gathering a large data base on people’s religions/ethnic origins, meeting with them privately, shunning media attention. It is better for Canada if these things are out in the open and if there is pressure for political parties to be open and transparent. Media attention to this issue is good.

  • http://myblahg.com Robert McClelland

    Why should anyone take Linda Gerber seriously when no evidence to back up her claim of a demographic shift is presented?

  • boudica

    If the Tories are “gaining ground,” why are they still locked out of Montreal, Vancouver and Toronto? Isn’t that where one finds the largest concentration of ethnic votes?

  • Paul Wells

    Raymond Chan isn’t doing much these days, if anyone wants to call him and ask about the Conservatives’ inability to make advances among Chinese voters.

    Joe Volpe and Ken Dryden will be a bit busy, though. Volpe’s lead was cut to five points; Dryden’s opponent got 38% against him. I’m sure plugging your ears and going Nah Nah Nah will continue to work a charm, though.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    It makes sense that more immigrants are voting Con because that’s what they are. Very few immigrants from Orient/Asia are progressives who support high tax rates and libertarian social policies.

    And now that Libs can’t use public money to bride the different immigrant groups like they use to, the newbies are looking at party policies and deciding who is best.

  • john g

    I’ve seen a theory advanced before that many immigrants remain loyal to the party that was in power when they arrived.

    If that theory is true, then the longer the Conservatives remain in power, the better their fortunes will be among ethnic voters.

  • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

    Hi Boudica,

    In Toronto years ago, most of the so-called ethnic votes used to be found south of Steeles Avenue–essentially within the boundaries of what is now the City of Toronto. Today, many non-Waspyish Canadians are moving to the suburbs. Generally, these Canadians tend to be socio-economically better than their brothers and sisters living within the city limits. In the suburbs, families mostly live in single detached homes. They share similar socio-economic values as their white-bread neighbours (who may live in different suburban enclaves).

    The Conservatives have been selective about which ethnic groups to get support. Jews, Hong Kong Chinese, Amadiyan (sp?) Muslims, and Hindi-speaking Hindus are high on the list. Tamils and other Muslims are low-priority. There may be other groups that may or may not be priorities. I just didn’t list them all.

    I do think that there is a subtext in how the Liberals and Conservatives approach so-called ethnic families: The Liberals imply that they will help people preserve their cultural identities; the Conservatives imply that they will help people shape their cultural identities.

    “Any WASPs want to play lawn bowling?”

  • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

    Hi Boudica,

    In Toronto years ago, most of the so-called ethnic votes used to be found south of Steeles Avenue–essentially within the boundaries of what is now the City of Toronto. Today, many non-Waspyish Canadians are moving to the suburbs. Generally, these Canadians tend to be socio-economically better than their brothers and sisters living within the city limits. In the suburbs, families mostly live in single detached homes. They share similar socio-economic values as their white-bread neighbours (who may live in different suburban enclaves).

    The Conservatives have been selective about which ethnic groups to get support. Jews, Hong Kong Chinese, Amadiyan (sp?) Muslims, and Hindi-speaking Hindus are high on the list. Tamils and other Muslims are low-priority. There may be other groups that may or may not be priorities. I just didn’t list them all.

    I do think that there is a subtext in how the Liberals and Conservatives approach so-called ethnic families: The Liberals imply that they will help people preserve their cultural identities; the Conservatives imply that they will help people shape their cultural identities.

    “Any WASPs want to play lawn bowling?”

  • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

    “Tamils and other Muslims are low-priority.”

    That should have meant non-Amadiyan Muslims. Most Tamils are Hindus.

  • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

    Liberal John McCallum won his riding. There are a lot of Chinese-Canadian voters. However he did go down from about 62 to 55% of the vote. The Conservatives went up from about 26 to 30%. I don’t know if this has to do with Chinese-Canadians being wooed by the Conservataive ethno-marketing or if Stephane Dion had a bad Shift on election day. McCallum was a strong candidate.

  • Mulletaur

    Gerard Kennedy was asked by Dion to head up organization, ask him why Liberal organization on the ground particularly among ethnic communities was a catastrophe.

  • boudica

    Skinny and Paul, is the so-called Tory gain within these communities due to their outreach efforts or just the result of the overall lackluster Liberal campaign?

    I’m asking because the Tories have also made gains with the Women vote in the last election.

    The question I’m asking is whether they got the vote by default or did they get those votes because women and immigrants like Tory policies and want more of it?

  • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

    Hi Paul,

    I think the Globe and Mail had a column on how the Conservatives were trying to get support from particular ethnic groups. I just can’t find it.

  • http://skinnydips.blogspot.com Skinny Dipper

    Hi Boudica,

    You have some good points. I will only guess that people who were outreached by the Conservatives voted the way they did because of a mix of outreach and a lackluster Dion campaign.

    When I look at the Elections Canada map of the Toronto area, the Conservatives didn’t gain seats where the non-European or non-white voter were numerous. They did perform better in areas that had a mix of old-stock and so-called new Canadians. I love the words, “so-called.” If someone can think of better words to describe non-ethnic and ethnic Canadians, let me know.

    We’ll get some better indications on how different groups of Canadians vote in the next election when the Liberals have a different leader.

    Due to changing demographics, the Conservatives have to find ways to reach out to different groups of Canadians. No granola-crunching downtown childless Zoe’s right now.

  • boudica

    “You have some good points. I will only guess that people who were outreached by the Conservatives voted the way they did because of a mix of outreach and a lackluster Dion campaign.”

    Skinny, if that’s the case, wouldn’t you agree that those so-called “gains” are quite fragile?

    Remember Quebec? If Quebecers were indeed embrassing the Tories and if it was true that Harper had won them over, how is it that upon scrutiny of some of his more benign policies, that support all but evaporated?

    Harper has not won over women, immigrants or Quebecers. Harper was in a free fall in the polls up until the Holiday weekend and rebounded.

    That last minute bounce might be due to effective attack ads, CTV’s spectacular breach of ethics with the Dion footage or God only knows what.

    What I do know is that Harper didn’t win another term in office because of his policies or his vision for our country. The man didn’t even bother to show us his platform until the very last week.

    All this to say, the man didn’t make any gains. He turned out his base , benefitted from vote splitting on the left and a very large war chest to get him over the hump.

  • http://www.chuckercanuck.blogspot.com chuckercanuck

    I think Paul Secam et al have it right:

    There was no breakthrough among ethnic communities. No numbers back this up. Liberals have a lock on those communities and its unthinkable that citizens would consider anything but Liberals.

    Liberals will spend their dollars more wisely by ignoring that situation entirely. They own it.

  • http://www.chuckercanuck.blogspot.com chuckercanuck

    “What I do know is that Harper didn’t win another term in office because of his policies or his vision for our country. The man didn’t even bother to show us his platform until the very last week.”

    Again, this is the kind of wise advise Liberals should be heeding. Harper fluked. That’s all there is too it. Canadians hate him and his ideas. Especially in Quebec.

    Personally, were I a Liberal, I would go on a long vacation and come back to the next election well-rested. A good tan is all that keeps the Liberals from their rightful place heading up a majority government.

  • dan in van

    They have made inroads, that’s certain. Here in New Westminster-Coquitlam, the CON candidate was a former Liberal (but a traditional marriage, anti-abortion one) of Korean descent. Her team relied on a lot of work and signage in the Canadian-Korean community, which was for the most part liberal leaning in the past. When the Liberal vote collapsed, it collapsed under the weight of weak campaign/negative advertising blitz/block voting, with strategic voting/incumbency helping the NdP hold onto the seat.

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  • Jenn

    Chuckercanuck, I don’t know a lot about the ethnic vote in general, but I do know a bit about the Polish, specifically Kashub, outreach the Conservatives have done. I’d be surprised if it didn’t win them several votes, and I imagine other ethnic communities have received the same kind of attention.

    Which isn’t to say that those votes can’t go back to Liberal if, as in Quebec, deeply held values come under attack.

  • catherine

    Ti-Guy, ;-)

    Although, this topic, sadly, does not seem like a laughing matter. In the US, their massive political data banks can predict how you will vote based on the cereal you purchased last month (with Airmiles entering you into the databank, or some such thing) and the car you bought last year. I suggest Canadians grow their own veggies in their backyard, don’t buy anything more complex than a bicycle, and, for goodness sakes, never congregrate with any identifiable ethnic, religious, or other type of group, if you want to escape the Cons databanks.

  • http://www.chuckercanuck.blogspot.com chuckercanuck

    I don’t know much about the Polish vote, I do know that my favorite Michener book is “Poland”.

  • http://www.chuckercanuck.blogspot.com chuckercanuck

    Ti-Guy,

    you got me. Must control the sarcasm.

    But, I would suggest that folks who want to figure out how to win should look at the winners and ask themselves, “what have they done that I could do?”

    Doesn’t mean they should follow those strategies or that those strategies will lead to your opponents success in the future. But for folks who think we right-wing fanatics are fluke-kooks are probably setting themselves up for many cycles of disappointment.

    And yes, Tories will double their seat count in the next election here in my belle province.

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