UPDATED AGAIN: CPC ConventionWatch 2008: Special Unconfirmed Rumours From The Floor Edition!

by kadyomalley on Friday, November 14, 2008 2:45pm - 30 Comments

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As noted in an update to the last post, word outside the security perimeter is that the proposal to strip the Canadian Human Rights Commission of the power to investigate Section 13 hate speech complaints passed “nearly unanimously”.

That means it should be on the agenda at the full plenary tomorrow afternoon – although we’re hearing conflicting reports on whether all the resolutions that make it through today’s policy workshops will actually go to the convention floor. The final decision on what to bring forward may rest with the National Policy Committee and/or National Council.

Meanwhile, over at the workshop on economic policy, a proposal to tweak the party’s current position on fiscal imbalance was the subject of a lengthy and heated debate; although most of the delegates seemed to support it, when it came time to vote on the resolution, a “crowd of around a hundred people” showed up just in time to ensure that it would be defeated.

Also defeated: a resolution that would have allowed Canadians to devote “a portion of their annual RRSP contributions” to mortgage payments, and one that would have deleted much of the party’s current position on improving Canada’s transport infrastructure; of the rest, most passed easily – although there was considerable debate over Brandon-Souris’ proposal to pull back on the party’s promise to give patent holders the right to restore time lost to the approval process, which eventually managed to squeak by after a very close vote.

The full list of economic policy resolutions is available here, although not all of them seem to have made it to the workshop floor; apparently, they ran out of time.

UPDATE: Dr. Dawg has a full rundown from the social and democratic policy forum here. Among the highlights: The Ken Epp Memorial Not About Abortion resolution passes, but both of the ones dealing with same-sex marriage — including one that explicitly comes out against polygamy – were defeated, as were resolutions calling for more transparency in government, support for the wireless industry, a crackdown on mass marketing fraud, and last but certainly not least, the proposal to establish fixed ten year terms for Supreme Court justices.

EVEN IF A RESOLUTION YOU SUPPORT MADE IT THROUGH THE WORKSHOP, YOU MIGHT WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THE CHAMPAGNE FOR THE MOMENT UPDATE:

From the Convention 2008 Rules for Constitution and Policy Discussions:

6.8 A maximum of ten (10) policy resolutions per break-out workshop which receive an affirmative vote by a majority of delegates voting in the break-out workshop will be listed on the agenda of Plenary. In order to guide setting the agenda for Plenary, all delegates present at the end of a break-out workshop will be provided with a form to list up to five resolutions which received a majority vote at the workshop and which, in their view, should be considered for listing on the agenda of Plenary. [emphasis added]

Phrases like “guide setting the agenda” and “should be considered” suggest that the results of the post-workshop survey will be about as binding on the party as the eventual policy declaration will be on the Prime Minister: in other words, not at all. Even if a resolution does make it to the floor, however, there is no guarantee that it will be debated before the final vote:

9.3 At Plenary, a Moderator of the break-out workshop will be given a brief period in the discretionof the Chair of the Plenary to provide a summary of the policy resolution and report the vote results of the resolution at the break-out workshop, if applicable.

9.4 The Chair of the Plenary, upon receiving the report from a Moderator of the break-out workshop,will immediately call the question, and propose to put the policy resolution to a vote of the Plenary without debate.

9.5 If two or more delegates of the Plenary call for debate, the Chair will immediately call for a vote with voting cards in support of debate. Only where, in the Chair’s determination, the vote shows that a clear majority of delegates wish to have a debate, will a limited debate be permitted in the following manner, always subject to the discretion of the Chair in light of time constraints or otherwise:

9.5.1 In the case of a policy resolution proposed by one or more electoral district associations, a delegate agreed to by those electoral district associations or recognized by the Chair may be provided with up to 30 seconds to introduce it and the Chair may also recognize a caucus member to provide a caucus perspective on the resolution for no more than 30 seconds.

9.5.2 In the case of a policy resolution proposed by caucus, a delegate designated by caucus may be recognized by the Chair and will be provided with up to 30 seconds to introduce it.

9.5.3 The Chair will then recognize one additional speaker in favour and up to two speakers against in an order to be determined by the Chair. Each of these speakers may take no more than 30 seconds.

9.5.4 The question will then be put to a vote in accordance with section 10.

UPDATE: And the proposal to yank the power to investigate hate speech complaints from the Canadian Human Rights Commission and Tribunal makes it onto the agenda for tomorrow’s plenary — along with the Ken Epp-inspired P-207 (fetal rights/protection of pregnant women/anti-choice/pro-choice/ticking timebomb for Stephen Harper), offshore resource exploration (Drill, Baby, Drill, eh?), three-(serious)-strikes-and-you’re-a-dangerous-offender, the possibility of private delivery of public health care, and more. Read the full list here.

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  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    word outside the security perimeter

    LOL.

    It’s like Kady’s sitting in South Korea trying to figure out what’s happening in the North by looking over with a pair of binoculars. Every once in a while someone sneaks across the border with news, but are they telling the truth? Is what they say Kim said really what Kim said?

    What IS going on in there?

    What I’d love to see is this all resulting in some truly OUTRAGEOUS policies making it to the vote. After all, if no one’s allowed to see the arguments that are taking place, you can freely make your case, no matter how outrageous, and vote based on nothing but your conscience. I doubt it’ll happen (since everyone knows that the details of even super secret policy convention events will get out eventually) but it’d be hilarious to see this tactic result in some truly crazy stuff (stuff that would never make it to the floor if the workshops were held in public view) actually ended up having to come to a vote of the entire convention.

  • John

    “crowd of around a hundred people” showed up just in time to ensure that it would be defeated”? Is this the return of the famous Sock Puppet Squad of delegates that were seen being ushered around by party staff at the 2005 Montreal convention whenever the members started getting uppity and looked like we would vote our own way?

  • Jack Mitchell

    Kady, does Harper have a record of following through on any such resolutions? Or is the whole exercise a sop to the grassroots?

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    Jack: In an interview with the Globe last week, Ryan Sparrow made it clear last week that the resolutions passed at this week’s convention would not be binding on the government in any way — it was more of a “consultative” exercise, like they would have with any “stakeholder group”.

  • bob

    Do you PDF copies of all of the resolutions in the key policy areas (economy, etc.) handy somewhere?

  • Jack Mitchell

    Ah, thanks! So, there must be an open bar?

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    The full collection of policy resolutions is available here, courtesy of National NewsWatch.

  • TJ Cook

    LKO: “What I’d love to see is this all resulting in some truly OUTRAGEOUS policies making it to the vote.”

    Heck, I think The Ken Epp Memorial Not About Abortion resolution is pretty damned outrageous, and it apparently passed the vote!

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    Just posted an update that may come as less than welcome news to folks who were counting on their pet proposal going to the floor tomorrow. Turns out that the workshops can only recommend a maximum of ten resolutions to be added to the plenary agenda – and even that doesn’t seem to be binding on the organizers. Go go, grassroots democracy!

  • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

    1) So does this mean the Tories are Pro-Polygamy?
    2) Incidentally, the name given to the proposal to repeal section 13 is the “Lemire Resolution”. Pass it on.

  • Reality Bites

    Dr Dawg’s rundown includes the information that they defeated the resolutions on marriage since they still hope Harper will have another vote on redefining it.

    Not that he would, but even if he did, the last time he tried it, it was defeated 175-123. Even if every new CPC MP wanted to redefine marriage (which is definitely not true), he’d still fall far short.

  • http://worthwhile.typepad.com Stephen Gordon

    Kady, you might want to go to the next NDP convention and do compare-and-contrast. Offhand, I can’t think of anything from the Quebec City conference that showed up on the platform.

  • Mike

    Why would pro LiberalNDP media be invited into Conservative policy discussion workshops? You would have to be nuts to let that happen!!
    The Conservatives were very correct in excluding media, the same as the NDP.
    BTW, a meeting of Ontario Liberal constituency Presidents on Sunday will also exclude the media!

  • lorne millar

    Kady: did you have to show your Liberal Membership card in order to get in ?

  • http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com Dr.Dawg

    “The Conservatives were very correct in excluding media”

    Why issue credentials, then?

  • Mike514

    It’s like Kady’s sitting in South Korea trying to figure out what’s happening in the North… Is what they say Kim said really what Kim said?

    First, Harper = Bush. Now Harper = Kim Jong-Il? How does that comment get past the moderating?

    What next? Stalin comparisons? Or how about Hitler?

  • Andrew

    Mike, your skin. It’s too thin. No one said Harper was Jong-Il or Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot etc.

  • dan in van

    … or Richard M. Nixon, despite what the disgruntled were mumbling today…

  • Stan

    Go Kady go! If you don’t like the news, just make something up.

  • Davey Boy

    Kady,

    You must define “nearly unanimously” differently than I do. It looked like 2:1 split to me (in a room of about 250 delegates). Still, they didn’t need to ask for a second showing of cards; so I guess the decision was clear enough.

    BTW. At the end each workshop delegates submitted a list of their top five (5) resolutions. That’s how the “magic ten” get selected. Not so mysterious really.

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    Davey – That’s interesting – I got “near unanimous” from two different sources, but it’s possible they were operating off the same initial report. Were you there for the discussion? Can you share anything that came up, as far as the arguments in favour/against the resolution?

  • Wascally Wabbit

    I guess that means that the Roll Back Same Sex Marriage legislation can be called Proposition File 13?

  • wallyj

    “go go, grassroots democracy! “– So,tell us,are you more upset about the party’s way of doing things,or that you have been excluded from their private meetings? From my vantage point, I think I can see the red aura surrounding you,without binoculars.

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    Wally, I’m in Ottawa – I was never going to get into the “private meetings”, which is an interesting way to describe a policy workshop open to delegates, alternates and member observers. Believe it or not, there *are* some card-carrying Conservatives who weren’t able to make it to Winnipeg, but who nevertheless are interested in what will come out of this convention — as well as Canadians in general — and I’d like to be able to give them as much information as possible, which is what I’m trying to do from afar. Not sure why you find that so very sinister.

  • wallyj

    My apologies,I was under the impression because of the ‘security perimeter’ comment that you were there. If the meeting is closed to those who are not invited,well,that’s life.

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