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UPDATED!!! "Kristol’s performance on the Op-Ed page during the most interesting election in a generation is a historical symptom, not merely a personal failure."

by Paul Wells on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:38pm - 47 Comments

George Packer votes for change.

UPDATE: The floodgates open! The New York Observer and this guy ask Kristol whether he wants to keep the job. Kristol is ambivalent! I’m busy, it’s haaaaard, yadda yadda. This guy also polled readers about who should be the next house con at the Grey Lady; for me, the write-in candidates are more interesting than who gets suggested. And Nora Ephron has been thinking about Bill! Is the reverse true? I highly doubt it.

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  • matt

    At lot of votes for Sullivan as a “conservative” at the portfolio link. Madness of crowds indeed!! Steyn would be a delight on the Times oped page and he strokes and aneurysms that would cause among Times readers would just be a bonus. Ponnuru got a few votes but he’s a bit to much of a So-Con for my liking. Someone young like Douthat would be good.

  • TJ Cook

    So you provide no example, you just quote another person making the same unsubstantiated assertion about Krugman that you made.

    And please: the argument against Goldberg’s work is exactly the same as the argument against Kristol’s work, already expressed by Paul Wells above:

    ” jwl, what’s wrong with Kristol is not that he’s conservative. I know no serious commentator who questions the wisdom of keeping a conservative columnist spot at the Times, after William Safire spent 30 years making that spot one of the most important in American journalism. I know of nobody who’s suggesting that Kristol be replaced with a liberal.

    The problem with Kristol is that he’s a dire writer who was wrong at every turn this year; that he made big obvious factual mistakes all the time; that his prose is appalling; that he self-evidently couldn’t be arsed to do a serious job with the amazing gift he’d been given. He is an embarrassment, least of all to himself, and most of all to Arthur Sulzberger, who personally selected one of the worst columnists in his newspaper’s modern history.”

    The difference between Kristol and Goldberg – Goldberg would have to drastically improve his work just to achieve wrongness.

    And calling Liberal Fascism a “history” book is just adorable. Really, it includes such incisive “reasoning” as ‘Hitler was a vegetarian, just like many liberals!’ and ‘Here’s 3 known gay Nazis – liberals love gay people!’ Obviously I’m paraphrasing, but these arguments are actually in the book.

    You know what? Goldberg’s probably the best the right wing has at this point. I take it all back – please, please, please hoist him into real prominence. Let Jonah freakin’ Goldberg take the helm of conservatism.

    Oh, and Palin 2012!

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    TJ Cook

    Google Krugman and wrong, more than a million hits. Not difficult to find Krugman errors.

    The best quote I found was by Krugman himself: “But compare me with anyone else, and I think my forecasting record is not great.” So Okrent and Krugman are in agreement.

    Have you read Liberal Fascism or are you just paraphrasing other libs who didn’t read the book? I wonder because I read the book and Goldberg says over and over and over that Libs in USA are not similar to Nazis. Nazis were outliers on how fascists behaved but USA libs did look to other European fascists for ideas and he provides numerous examples to back up his claims. Goldberg doesn’t compare Nazis and libs and says many times libs were not murderous thugs, they just shared some common ground intellectually with European fascists, mainly Mussolini.

    The only sensible thing you write is Palin 2012! We are in total agreement about that.

  • TJ Cook

    So you’ve got nothing – no examples. Counting Google hits is the lamest argument ever.

    And let’s be clear: everyone, including Krugman, makes mistakes. Some technical, sometimes a slipped reference, sometimes failed logic. I’m not claiming the man is perfect.

    But nobody – nobody – has been as consistently, honkingly, gong-show, ah-ooo-gah! wrong as Kristol. The man is a walking joke. As far as I can tell, he doesn’t even believe his own tripe, he’s a dedicated propagandist who uses his NYT column to advance the Republican agenda.

    I’ve read parts of Liberal Fascism, including the title to Chapter Two: “Adolf Hitler: Man of the Left”. And Goldberg does say a number of times that lefties aren’t necessarily Nazis, which was generous of him. But while he may not *equate* Nazis and liberals, he most certainly does *compare* them extensively, using his trademark combination of lazy-assed research and fatuous arguments.

    It’s Coulter-quality agitprop masquerading as an intellectual effort, written by a man who’s simply not capable of honest intellectual exercise.

    I think the difference between Buckley, Kristol et al. and Goldberg is that the former were at least capable of polishing conservative turds with enough erudition and sophistry to sound respectable. Goldberg’s shortcomings as a writer and pseudo-intellectual lay bare the emptiness of his arguments.

    I say again – if you want morons like Palin and Goldberg as standard-bearers for conservatism, nothing would make me happier.

    By the way, Dave Niewert actually knows, you know, stuff about fascism. He writes about it extensively on his blog (http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/) if you want to actually learn something. If you’d rather surround yourself with conservative feel-good wankerism, leave your brain in neutral and enjoy Goldberg.

  • http://www.macleans.ca/feschuk Scott Feschuk

    Speaking of Buckley… how about the son, Christopher Buckley? An actual Conservative with an actual sense of humour – and enough guts to have disavowed Palin before it was trendy.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    Scott F

    I think most Repubs are thinking good riddance. Buckley was a big champion of McCain last spring but when things went south for McCain/Repubs, Buckley bails and comes out for Obama. I think Buckley was worried about not getting invitations to all the fashionable NY/Washington dinner parties so he decided to pile on a working class woman to justify his Benedict Arnold behaviour. He’s a real class act.

  • Jack Mitchell

    Right, he’s not a Republican fanatic, so obviously he’s disqualified for the NYT slot! Deathwish only, please!

  • TJ Cook

    Heh – I agree, jwl: I think it was a rat deserting a sinking ship. Of course, if the scales have truly fallen from Buckley’s eyes, he may have good things to contribute.

    Disavowing Palin became trendy almost immediately, especially among those not busy hyperventilating at her ability to deliver a bitchy one-liner. “Piling on” Palin was appropriate the very second it was clear she lacked the wherewithal to be VP, much less POTUS.

  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    It’s great though isn’t it that, given all the acrimony, it seems that almost EVERYONE can agree on one thing.

    PALIN 2012!!!!

    There was a survey recently that suggested that 80% of Republicans want Palin to be the Republican candidate in 2012, and as Bill Maher pointed out on Real Time, 100% of Democrats want Palin to be the Republican candidate in 2012.

    She’s a uniter, not a divider.

    It’s too bad that it looks like she won’t get to run in a special election for Stevens’ Senate seat. She’s wasted up there in Alaska where we’ll barely get to hear from her. I already miss her like I kinda miss Dan Quayle (although, to be fair, she’s a way better Dan Quayle than even Dan Quayle was). We need more politicians who can save the SNL writers valuable time by allowing the SNL players to simply read their speeches verbatim, unedited, and get uproarious laughs.

    Palin/”Someone less qualified than Sarah Palin” 2012!!!

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    “so obviously he’s disqualified for the NYT slot!”

    Jack M

    I think he should be disqualified from NYT conservative slot because he’s not really conservative, more of a Rockefeller Republican, but that probably makes him perfect for the position.

  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    pile on a working class woman

    Oh please. Poor Sarah Palin. Why on earth did people expect intelligence, wit, or God forbid the ability to construct a coherent sentence without advance time from this humble working class woman? All those damned liberals and their insistence that a Vice Presidential candidate “know stuff” and “understand issues”, and “speak intelligible English”.

    Elitist scum.

    I’ll give you that there was some unseemly piling on of Joe the Plumber. THERE was a legitimate working class guy who was out of his depth, used by political operatives, and didn’t really deserve the kind of treatment he got. Attacking a local (almost) plumber for being horribly out of his depth in the midst of a Presidential campaign can definitely be construed as “piling on”.

    Attacking a State Governor (even of Alaska) and VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE for being horribly out of her depth in the midst of a Presidential campaign isn’t piling on. It’s protecting the planet.

    The only reason I can sleep at night with all the turmoil in the world is that I know that Sarah Palin isn’t a heart beat away from being followed around by a guy with the nuclear football. Palin and her ilk may be right that the apocalypse is coming soon, but I think America bought us at least a few years with their choice in 2008.

    That said,

    PALIN 2012!

  • Ti-Guy

    KRUGMAN EATS OKRENT FOR LUNCH!

    I’m not cheering for Palin in 2012. We’ve have enough of this circus and we’re all suffering for it. People like jwl most of all, but our media to a great extent. It’s going to be increasingly difficult for them to shift focus on more substantive issues while the race to the bottom is far from over and while it remains relatively cheap and easy to fill up our newsholes with these irrational “conservatives.”

    Charity demands that all good people demand much, much better from our ruling elites.

  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    Of course Ti-Guy, if the race to the bottom is truly far from over, then if it’s not Palin 2012 one risks the possibility that the Republicans will find someone even less qualified for the race four years from now. The Republicans could very well decide that the problem with Palin was that she was too “elite”. That even she was too far removed from the REAL “real America”.

    I wouldn’t put “Wurzelbacher 2012″ past the Republicans.

  • Ti-Guy

    How about “Wurzelbacher/Hasselbeck 2012.”

    Gee, I’m starting to like this idea…

  • Jack Mitchell

    Four years is a long time, so if we suppose the American Right is going to get more wackjobby we need to speculate outside the box: why not Bill O’Reilly 2012?

  • Aki Berg

    Krystol is a “neo-con”, not a conservative. He is a Red Diaper Baby, the spawn of an actual Bolshevist. He is an “entryist” who has infiltrated the conservative movement with a view to destroying it, as are the rest of the two-degrees-of-PNAC crowd. He holds liberal social views, supports big government, and likes war a lot – this is not conservative.

    Paul Wells knows everything I just wrote, yet persists in referring to him as a “conservative” who, er, gets his facts wrong. Not cricket.

    All I need to know about who wears the pants in American politics I learned from a ten second youtube clip of Kristol referring to the recently departed CIA director as a “crybaby” on national TV. Not the type of thing you say about a guy who ran the world’s biggest spy operation – unless you are extremely secure in your position in life.

  • Jack Mitchell

    So, let me get this straight:

    * neocons aren’t conservatives because they’re (sometimes) socially liberal and pro-big government

    * conservatives aren’t conservatives because they don’t want to conserve the status quo

    * conservatives aren’t conservatives because they don’t believe in aristocracy

    * conservatives aren’t liberals because they believe in limited government

    * conservatives are liberals because they believe in free trade and the yeomanry

    * neocons are liberals because they believe in imperialism

    * liberals aren’t conservatives because they’re against American hegemony

    * liberals aren’t liberals because they’re often protectionist

    How valuable these labels are! You basically take all political stances for the last 150 years and you roll them up in a big ball of dough and everybody gets some! Long live anarchy!

  • Ti-Guy

    I can see the point of genuine conservatives (whatever that means….as a liberal with very conservative habits, I don’t have to worry about that so much) wanting to distance themselves from neo-conservatives (who are in fact radical nationalists and bizarre quasi-Maoist ideologues) but I think it’s frankly a little late in the game.

  • TJ Cook

    I love the “Not Conservative” game!

    Anyone associated with the conservative “movement” who goes off-message, questions conservative doctrine, comes on to underage pages, screws up publicly or otherwise becomes a liability is summarily declared Not Conservative and lopped off like an infected limb.

    That way the delicate flower of conservatism is preserved despite the endless failures of those who try to implement it. Conservatism, you see, is perfect. Conservatism never fails, it can only *be* failed by imperfect humans.

    That Conservatism has never consistently succeeded is a measure of the people, not of Conservatism itself.

    Occasionally, someone fails who has been associated too strongly with Conservatism to be sloughed off. Like an internal infection, Conservatism simply surrounds these failures with the impenetrable capsule of another label, such as paleo-, neo- or entryist-conservative. See? Just like that, the delicate flower of conservatism is protected.

    Over the next 5 years we’re going to see the Superbowl of ‘Not-A-Conservative’ as the true believers attempt to wall off the entire Bush administration and convince themselves they never supported those big-spending, constitution-eroding criminals. Pass the popcorn!

  • John.K

    As always, Alice in Wonderland provides a good summary of political thinking:

    “If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?”

  • matt

    well, at least no votes here for Sullivan. Pip! Pip!

  • Dan Robertson

    John O’Sullivan

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