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What does this mean?

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:05pm - 147 Comments

“This means war.”

Or so says Pat Martin about the government’s plan to cut the per vote taxpayer subsidy for political parties.

Key graph from CP’s report. ”But proportional to revenues raised last year, the taxpayer subsidy represents 37 per cent of the totals raised by the Tories. That’s far less than the 63 per cent chop for Liberal coffers, 86 per cent for the Bloc and 57 per cent for the NDP. The Greens stand to lose 65 per cent of total revenues.”

Here is Hansard for the afternoon of February 11, 2003, when Jean Chretien formally introduced the legislation in question (which was paired with new restrictions on political donations). The Prime Minister was followed quickly by a reply from the leader of Her Majesty’s loyal opposition.

The short version (though you’re encouraged to read the long version).

Chretien: “Some have suggested that the subsidy to a political party means that an individual’s tax dollars may go to a party that he or she disagrees with. The reality is that the $1.50 a year goes to the party that person voted for in the previous election. If someone changes his or her mind after an election, if someone realizes he or she made a mistake, for example by voting for the Canadian Alliance, the $1.50 per year still adds up to a total of $6 over the four years. That person can make up for his or her mistake. Everybody makes mistakes. It could happen to somebody who voted Liberal too, but not many because we are still doing quite well.”

Harper: “Obviously, the biggest beneficiary is the Liberals and they will benefit regardless of how people’s views of them may change in their performance as a governing party. Admittedly, the Canadian Alliance stands to benefit financially from the allowance. We will benefit especially because this party does not rely heavily on donations from corporations, unions and other large donors. However the principal beneficiary will be the Liberal Party of Canada. The Liberals could not exist without an alternative source of funding, guaranteed taxpayer funding, if corporate donations were severally limited. Whereas the Canadian Alliance has shown it can and would continue to survive.”

The legislation was passed (Yeas 172, Nays 62) after final debate on June 11 of that same year.

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  • Geiseric the Lame

    my guess is between the high 70 and mid 80 perctiles.

  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    I should have perhaps led with this as it perhaps explains why I’m so upset over this, but personally, my vote was determined pretty much on who I wanted to get the most out of our publicly financed electoral system.

    I voted for the Greens this year, even though I knew they wouldn’t win my riding, because I wanted to help them get as much money as possible to improve their viability for future elections.

    Now, it appears that the Tories, not satisfied that our electoral system makes it so that the 937,000 Green supporters get no representation in Parliament would also like all those votes to mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER.

    Surely I can’t be the only one who voted based on a system the government now proposes to change.

    I’m also not so sure this should be referred to as a “subsidy”. This isn’t a “subsidy”, it’s the public financing of our electoral system. It’s the conscious decision to take the power out of the hands of those who can afford to donate to a party, and try to create a system where a party’s electoral viability has at least SOME connection to the party’s popularity among the electorate, and not just who’s the best fundraiser. The Tories would like us all to equate “fundraising ability” with “popular support” but that’s hogwash. If the Tories were as popular as their bank accounts suggest, we wouldn’t be in a minority situation today. If I want my political process to be dominated by the people who are the best at raising money, I’ll vote for some telemarketing company. I want parties focused on coming up with policies that can garner the support of the electorate, not on raising war chests to fight their enemies.

    It’s terribly idealistic I suppose, and I should probably just admit defeat, return to the Liberals, and cut a big cheque.

    I wonder if many other formerly disaffected Liberals will feel the same?

  • Brent Fullard

    Yo Harper: Time for a little “incremental cost” analysis.

    Hey, here’s brilliant idea to rescue our economy? Let’s save $30 million in order to render a $300 million exercise completely worthless and one sided.

    Without the $30 million of political party funding, these $300 million elections become a total waste of time? Harper wants to save $30 million to render a $300 million exercise basically worthless. That’s like buying a Ferrari and not being willing to pay for its license plate. All dressed up and no where to go. The fate of Canadian democracy under Stephen Harper, the evil genius:

    Kelly McParland: Stephen Harper, evil genius
    Posted: November 27, 2008, 3:41 PM by Kelly McParland

  • Brian

    All this philosophy is charming, but does anybody doubt that this is a tactical move designed to financially cripple the opposition? It’s basically financial gerrymandering. Is everybody ok with that?

    When you say “opposition”, you do realize that Canadian taxpayers are footing almost the entire bill for the Bloq Quebecois, and in doing so — we’re paying for our own demise like a virus to eat its own host. Are you ok with THAT?

    There seems to be this notion that the present system is fair and noble. It is neither.

  • http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/ Transcanada

    Brent Fullard-Harper wants to save $30 million to render a $300 million exercise basically worthless.

    Great point. Harper not calling the fall 2008 vanity election would provide 10 years worth of funding to the political parties.

  • http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/ Transcanada

    Some Nanos polling numbers to ponder:

    New Nanos National Poll – CP, 32%, LP 30%, NDP 20%, GP 10%, BQ 9%

    Committed Voters – Canada (N=865, MoE ± 3.4%, 19 times out of 20)

    * Conservative Party 32% (-6)
    * Liberal Party 30% (+4)
    * NDP 20% (+2)
    * Green Party 10% (+3)
    * BQ 9% (-1)

    (*Note: Undecided 14%)

    Committed Voters – Western Canada (N=299, MoE ± 5.7%, 19 times out of 20)

    * Conservative Party 38% (-14)
    * Liberal Party 27% (+11)
    * NDP 23% (+1)
    * Green Party 13% (+5)

    (*Note: Undecided 14%)

    Maybe spending another $300 million is a small price to pay to rid Canada of the Bully. Looks like Canada still hasn’t taken to sharing ‘the love’ with the Harper Party.

  • T. Thwim

    You’re right Brian, the current system isn’t fair and noble. But that’s because private funding is still allowed in it at all.

  • Brian

    Which Brent Fullard would this be? Could it be Brent Fullard, the self-appointed “CEO” of a dubious lobby group, created to present an illusion of broad public opposition in a common cause, when really the lobby group was Brent Fullard himself, armed with a keyboard and conspiracy theory decoder ring?

    Brent Fullard, the Goebells-like propoghandist who ironically called Stephen Harper “Hitler” and the Conservatives a band of Nazis and in so doing, grossly offending real-life holocaust victims? Maybe its the Brent Fullard who, after some sober reflection of what he said, vowed to stand by these highly insensitive statements? Or is it the Brent Fullard who months later and on the eve of having his Liberal candidacy revoked decided to apologize, without reservation?

    Will the real Brent Fullard please stand up?

  • Wayne

    Well … well … well … judging by the amount and intensity of posts my boy Stevie has done it again – if you are reading this Steven ‘ Well Done ‘. I have never encountered another politician who know show to exactly push left wing nut buttons and it does my heart good and I was starting to have a bad day but now the sun is shining rain clouds dispersing. This strange concept of public monies for votes is absurd and the sooner we can jet pack it off the next budget the better … however .. personally I think it will be more usefull than actually passing a bill, as it has the best affect of poking the opposition parties in the eye while possibly removing the rug from underfoot and both at the same time. Absolutely brilliant!

  • M-A

    I am so tiiiiired of this non-stop prattling about Canadians’ cherished “tax dollars” !!! My God. It’s been used to justify just about every short-sighted, crassly partisan, ignorant and shallowly populist measure in the history of forever. Give it up already !!

    If you make a crassly partisan decision, you should have to wear it. But no, we let politicians hide behind the sacro-saint tax dollar. It’s plain bull and I can’t believe the number of people on this page who not only gobble it up, but peddle it to boot !! Well, you know what ? No thanks.

    The “per voter” subsidy is just about the only direct way for citizens to decide exactly how the public treasury will spend its money. We know that when we vote for someone, a few bucks from the pot will go to the party. I think that’s all fine and good. Saves a bunch of people the trouble of making a cheque and increasing the profits of the banks.

    So when the Government takes away that subsidy, it takes away voters’ only direct say on the public purse. It might be because they don’t like what 62% of Canadians have to say. Who knows. Whatever the Government’s reason is, it should have to explain it without resorting to this “tax dollar” prattle.

  • http://ADMS.ca cms

    Meanwhile, thousands of Canadians languish as the economy continues in its downward spiral.

    Are you all numb yet?

  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    Brian: the nature of the political parties involved is irrelevant.

  • sbt

    “So when the Government takes away that subsidy, it takes away voters’ only direct say on the public purse.”

    Actually, it’s not. Maybe I don’t want my tax dollars going to fund any of the political parties. Who do I vote for? If this was really about giving me a say as to how I want the public purse spent there would be a box on my ballot that would ask me if I want $2 of public money to go to the party I’m holding my nose and voting for.

  • http://ADMS.ca cms

    sbt, you’re right. Democracy is just so darned expensive. We should definitely look into trimming it down a bit. After all, the whole idea of a civil society is overrated. Did you check the box for the Anarchist Party candidate?

  • madeyoulook

    Thank you, LKO above and, most recently M-A, for explaining perfectly why the CURRENT system is the real attack on democracy. Mr. McClelland, please listen up. Time was an election was held to ELECT our representatives. Our two commenters have eloquently explained how the sacred vote has been debased to become “who deserves my alloted buck-ninety-five.”

    Here’s a little economics lesson, you two. Do you value your own time so poorly that you will take time out of your life to travel to a polling booth, line up at the first table, cross the school gym floor, line up at the second table, wait while three people scan for your name and address while one of them mispronounces your name, get a small piece of paper, wait for the booth to be free, walk over to the booth, unfurl the paper, notice that all the pencils are broken — oh, MYL, get to the point already — all this for the sole purpose of directing a monetary amount to a political party that is less than the threshold at which the CCRA doesn’t even bother charging or refunding an income tax return balance? Maybe the parties could put some loose change charity jars next to the cash register at the corner store. Oh wait, that would then be your own money. Can’t have that. Better to take one to three hours of your life in order to force loose a couple of bucks of everybody’s money. How does that logic pass any test at all in anyone’s head?

    Here’s the civics lesson: please vote for the candidate and-or party you want to represent you. Please send your own dough to the party(ies) you feel deserve your dough. Ane for the love of Canada please separate those two concepts!

  • M-A

    sbt:

    I’d be in favour of a box that says “none of the above because you all stink” on my ballot. But that’s beside the point.

    You may be right. It’s something to debate: would a majority of Canadians want to dissociate their vote from a subsidy ? I don’t know. But even in this very preliminary form, this debate is light-years ahead from the argument being put forward by the “tax dollar” messiahs.

  • boudica

    “Meanwhile, thousands of Canadians languish as the economy continues in its downward spiral.

    Are you all numb yet?”

    Well that’s the point, isn’t it? What better way to distract the electorate from the fact that this govt doesn’t know which way is up when it comes to addressing our current economic challenge than to trigger yet another election?

  • M-A

    Wow, myl. Maybe if you were just a little more paternalistic in your approach to debate, just a tad more “I hold the universal truth and will dictate it to you”, you could become a party leader in Canada. Whaddaya say ??

  • TJ Cook

    myl: Here’s the civics lesson (again): when political parties are funded by the public without constraint, they’re incented to suck up to the wealthy. The wealthy become “their base”, per GWB’s revealing quip from a few years back.

    This proposed system puts political influence disproportionately into the hands of the wealthy and takes it away from the poor. That’s why things like campaign contribution limits and public financing were developed – to maintain the principle that one’s franchise in society (ie. one’s citizenship) should be equal to everyone else’s, regardless of socioeconomic status.

    Honestly, the definition of ‘conservative’ must be “I just hear a buzzing sound when someone says something that would challenge what I want to believe.”

  • M-A

    Oh, and myl, I don’t think you have the moral authority to declare anything for “the love of Canada”. Good lord. That one trumps even “save the tax dollar” for sheer intellectual bankruptcy.

    Who are you people ?? Could those who are *NOT * partisan hacks please raise their hand so that I can have an idea of who to engage and who to ignore ?

  • sbt

    “Democracy is just so darned expensive. We should definitely look into trimming it down a bit. After all, the whole idea of a civil society is overrated. Did you check the box for the Anarchist Party candidate?”

    You’re right, cms. The $2 per vote subsidy for political parties is the only thing that stands between peace, order, and good government and anarchy. Who knew stability in Canada was so fragile?

  • TobyornotToby

    There’s a very interesting comment in the longer version of Harper’s critique of the bill –

    “Currently, the public may or may not be aware, that political parties are already very heavily subsidized by taxpayers. In the first place donations to political parties are subsidized, first, by a tax credit system that credits up to 75% of the donation …”

    So that must mean it’s also a subsidy when Canada forgoes tax revenue in the form of corporate write-offs for corporate luxury boxes and entertainment expenses? I personally am more affronted to be forced to support the Toronto Maple Leafs than I am the Bloc Quebecois, and am calling on the Prime Minister to be consistent and stop the travesty.

  • Sammy

    This move by Harper is just so wonderfully poetic. Instead of whirling flashing lights and bells and sirens to announce the political jackpot, we have the hyperventilating hyper-indignant howls of the political opposition with as much bile laced splatter that can be possibly conjured up.

    “Attack on Democracy”, sheesh, what a load of crap. I don’t want anything to do with your version of democracy if you think it is so weak, so inept, so utterly useless it is incapable of surviving a repeal of a $1.95 per vote subsidy.

    In fact this will strengthen democracy. It places the power back where it belongs with the citizens who care enough to speak up and demand that if you want my $10 bucks or $20 bucks, you damn well better shut up for ten minutes and let me speak my mind and let you know what I think about where this country is going. And if I think you ideas or what you stand for don’t jive with me I can show you the door.

    This is good.

  • Wayne

    Well said Sammy – very well said!

  • T. Thwim

    It places the power back to those political parties who spend their time figuring out the best telemarketing company and donation compelling strategies rather than spending their time actually, you know, governing.

    It reduces government to fund-raising groups rather than the decision makers they should be.

    It focuses the parties on gathering money rather than gathering good ideas.

    It’s a bad move.

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