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Aaron Wherry covers all the goings-on in and around Parliament Hill. Follow Aaron on Twitter: @aaronwherry

Fantasy government

by Aaron Wherry on Monday, December 1, 2008 2:25am - 37 Comments

Latest reports put a coalition cabinet at 24 members—18 Liberal, 6 NDP.

Consider this a rough draft (uninformed by any inside information and based only on personal speculation).

For the sake of argument, let’s set aside the three Liberal leadership contenders. For one, they might be too fraught with political implications to be included. For another, they might be too busy promoting their leadership campaigns to be decent cabinet ministers anyway. For the record, if they weren’t embroiled in a leadership race, they’d all be in cabinet.

Prime Minister Stephane Dion
Deputy Prime Minister Jack Layton
House Leader Ralph Goodale
Finance John McCallum
Environment Thomas Mulcair
Defence Scott Brison
Foreign Affairs Irwin Cotler
Immigration Olivia Chow
Indian Affairs Todd Russell
Heritage Charlie Angus
Industry Joe Comartin
Agriculture Wayne Easter
Fisheries Siobhan Coady
Public Works Gerard Kennedy
Health Libby Davies
Justice Anthony Rota
Public Safety Ujjal Dosanjh
Transport Mark Holland
Natural Resources David McGuinty
Revenue Martha Hall Findlay
Trade Mark Eyking
Human Resources Ken Dryden
Intergovernmental Affairs Judy Sgro
Labour Carolyn Bennett 

For the sake of comparison, here’s how the Conservatives line-up along roughly the same positions.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper
House Leader Jay Hill
Finance Jim Flaherty
Environment Jim Prentice
Defence Peter MacKay
Foreign Affairs Lawrence Cannon
Immigration Jason Kenney
Indian Affairs Chuck Strahl
Heritage James Moore
Industry Tony Clement
Agriculture Gerry Ritz
Fisheries Gail Shea
Public Works Christian Paradis
Health Leona Aglukkaq
Justice Rob Nicholson
Public Safety Peter Van Loan
Transport John Baird
Natural Resources Lisa Raitt
Revenue Jean-Pierre Blackburn
Trade Stockwell Day
Human Resources Diane Finley
Intergovernmental Affairs Josee Verner
Labour Rona Ambrose

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  • seaandthemountains

    do you know what would be unfortunate if this came to fruition? that Bill Blakie will not among those sitting in cabinet.

  • dan in van

    My guess is that this coalition would also have at least 3 senior advisors; one of Blakney or Romonow, McKenna and Axworthy.
    It would bring in more experience and serious ministerial credentials for no cost.
    But of course I’m waiting to see whom among the Conservatives is auditioning for Brutus…

  • http://brentonwalters.blogspot.com Brenton

    It was already reported by Keith Boag at the CBC (I know, not exactly fact yet) that the NDP won’t get the Deputy PM position. Interesting speculation, though.

  • Partisan non-partisan

    I would imagine Linda Duncan is a shoo-in. The optics of excluding Alberta are horrendous.

    And I would hope the NDP pushes for gender parity in their appointments. Although I tend to think this might exclude Olivia and bring in Judy W-L as the Manitoba representative.

    Finally, two Liberal Ministers from NL and NS. No way. Eyking?!? Did you get paid to write that?

  • Wassim

    If you’re going to go this far, why not make Elizabeth May Environment Minister?

    It would add 7% to your coalition.

  • Fiscal Conservative

    While the lib-left punditariat is nearly united in favour of this lib-left coalition, the polls are showing that it is wildly unpopular with the Canadian people, more evidence that the media is out of synch with the people and the media’s overwhelming lib-left bias does not reflect Canada. At least half of the Liberal party has strong feelings against Ignatieff, that’s going to be a problem.

    This is a shakedown. The socialist bloc doesn’t think Flaherty sufficiently panicked and demands tens of billions in new spending, burdening the next generation with a debt, which violates the principle of taxation without representation. They are *demanding* the government run a massive structural deficit and Flaherty has thus far refused. That’s where we’re at: bringing down a government because it isn’t implementing “disaster socialism” on a grand enough scale. Flaherty has already pumped $12 billion a year back into the economy every year in the form of a GST cut, a cut without which we might well be in an actual recession, not a media contrived imaginary recession.

    All of the socialist bloc’s demands might make sense if Canada was really in recession, but as anyone who went shopping this weekend knows, that isn’t the case. Unemployment is near a 30 year low, inflation is low, interest rates are low, Flaherty is going to deliver a third consecutive surplus, mortgage defaults are at historical lows (see Coyne), all of which to say that Liberals and NDP are taking a page out of – dare I say it? – the Bush playbook, and inventing their own fiscal 9-11 in order to spread fear and manufacture consent for massive new spending. It’s a hoax, people.

    Civil disobedience is an option. My generation should not be further burdened by Ignatief’s generation’s wingnut socialism. Is fifty billion billion bucks worth taking a stand over? Because that’s what will be left owing after Iggy’s generation cashes out. Boycotts of any and all organizations that support the socialist bloc – including media outlets – are a given. If polls continue to show that 75% of Canadian oppose this shakedown, while the media and a few cherry picked vendu economists gives it a near-unanimous thumbs up, it would appear that the media and corporations are complicit in a government coup widely opposed by the people of Canada.

  • Jack Mitchell

    Fiscal Conservative: “Civil disobedience is an option.”

    Now that I’d like to see. A bunch of paunchy middle-aged men tying themselves to the fences of Parliament Hill? Or to the gates of their gated communities? A mass boycott of lemon meringue pies? Oh, don’t back down, that would be too much fun to watch! It’s time to take a stand!

  • kody

    I don’t mean to get in the way of the liberal media’s fantasy about a far left socialist governement taking power without winning an election,

    but,

    funny how no one in said media has contemplated the notion that the entire West (and new economic powerhouse of Canada) will be run by folks no one there voted for, but rather from a relatively select few bastions of socialism concentrated in a handful of eastern city ridings.

    Kate at Small Dead Animals has a post noting the Western Seperatists are doing the “happy bum dance” today.

    Indeed they are.

  • Fiscal Conservative

    “A bunch of paunchy middle-aged men tying themselves to the fences of Parliament Hill? Or to the gates of their gated communities?”

    Age is positively correlated with propensity to vote Liberal in Canada (source: Toronto Star), and going into this election of the top 23 ridings by home value exactly none of them were Conservative (source: PunditsGuide.ca). Stephen Harper’s very first act as prime minister was C-2, which banned corporate donations. Besides that, your narrative makes sense :-)

    This is shaping up to be the people (Conservatives) versus corporations (Liberals) and unions (NDP), both of whom want to open the spigots of federal spending for their own purposes.

  • kody

    Up next,

    our Eastern big city rulers will propose collectivisation of our farms.

    The prarie Ukrainians can eat saw dust bread (and each other if necessary) for old times sake.

  • Jack Mitchell

    Fiscal Conservative: “This is shaping up to be the people (Conservatives) versus corporations (Liberals) and unions (NDP), both of whom want to open the spigots of federal spending for their own purposes.”

    Really. I had no idea that there were 8.5 million corporate execs and CAW workers in Canada. But then I don’t start every morning with an Ayn Rand dance remix and a shot of Rex Murphy’s Patented Hair Replacement Tonic (taken intravenously). I’ve been missing out, seemingly.

  • Fiscal Conservative

    Jack, do you have any data supporting your plan to increase spending by tens of billions of dollars to “fight” the imaginary recession that isn’t happening, and that such a plan would work and be acceptable to the people who have to pay for it, and that it isn’t outright fearmongering to manufacture consent for a snatch n’ grab of taxpayer dough? If so, I invite you to compose a well reasoned response.

  • Jack Mitchell

    It’s not my plan, and anyway where’d you get that “tens of billions of dollars” figure from? I happen to be supporting the Coalition’s intention because Harper has single-handedly attempted to trash our democracy by kneecapping his enemies, thus provoking this crisis. I couldn’t care less what their agenda is (within reason). Anyway they can’t do much damage because there’ll be another election within a year. I just look forward to the Tory caucus revolt now scheduled for mid-January.

  • Patrick M.

    im sorry, but Fiscal Conservative, I have to ask, are you completely without any shred of intelligence, or are you just a partisan hack?

    I’m serious, you said, and I quote (because copy/paste is easy): “the polls are showing that it is wildly unpopular with the Canadian people” as regards a coalition government.

    Now, either your making this up out of your paranoid conservative brain, or your completely without any shred of evidence.

    The idea of this coalition began in the press, oh, about 8 hours ago. So either your telling me that in the last 8 hours they have done multiple polls or your being a complete idiot and just pretending the Canadian public is on your side.

    I’m not saying that the polls wont eventually prove you right, Im just saying your an idiot for claiming that polls that haven’t happened yet have already proved you right.

    Please at least have the courtesy to have facts to back up your arguments in future, even if the government you clearly support isn’t capable of it.

  • http://mrsinistergreg.blogspot.com Greg

    Up next,

    our Eastern big city rulers will propose collectivisation of our farms.

    The prarie Ukrainians can eat saw dust bread (and each other if necessary) for old times sake.

    I would say the chance of that happening are exactly zero. On the other hand, the Wheat Board would probably be safe.

  • Terry

    Yep, because nothing spells resounding support for the socialist ideals Canadian Wheat Board among farmers, than never voting for left of center parties in rural areas at either a provincial or federal level.

    I can’t believe that the Bloc won’t even support a move to a voluntary wheat board. What the hell has it got to do with them?

  • Tom

    Sorry to interrupt the conbot musings about Wheat Boards (seriously, guys, why does it always come back to wheat boards?) but Mr. Wherry’s cabinet does have one pretty glaring flaw: zero Liberal francophone Quebecer content other than M. Dion. Okay, two flaws: he left out Treasury Board.

  • Will

    Under the assumsion that the Lib leadership candidates are left out:

    Prime Minister: Stephane Dion, Saint Laurent-Cartierville, Montreal
    Minister of Agriculture and Minister for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency: Wayne Easter, Malpeque, Liberal, PEI
    Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages: Marlene Jennings, Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Liberal, Montreal
    Minister of Citizenship and Immigration: Navdeep Bains, Mississauga-Brampton South, Liberal, GTA
    Minister of the Environment and Western Economic Diversification: Linda Duncan, Edmonton-Strathcona, NDP, Alberta
    Minister of Finance: Ralph Goodale, Wascana, Liberal, Saskatchewan
    Minister of Fisheries and Oceans: Siobhan Coady, St. John’s South-Mount Pearl, Liberal, Newfoundland
    Minister of Foreign Affairs: Jack Layton, Toronto-Danforth, NDP, GTA
    Minister of Health: Ujjal Dosanjh, Vancouver South, Liberal, BC
    Minister of Human Resources and Social Development: Gerard Kennedy, Parkdale-High Park, Liberal, Toronto
    Minister of Indian Affairs: Anita Neville, Winnipeg South, Liberal, Manitoba
    Secretary of State for Northern Development: Larry Bagnell, Yukon, Liberal, North
    Minister of Industry: Scott Brison, Kings-Hants, Liberal, Nova Scotia
    Minister of International Trade: David McGuinty, Ottawa South, Liberal, Eastern Ontario
    Minister of International Cooperation, Minister of State: Pacific Gateway, Sport, 2010 Olympics: Hedy Fry, Vancouver Centre, Liberal, BC
    Minister of Justice: Irwin Cotler, Mont Royal, Liberal, Montreal
    Minister of Labour: Libby Davies, Vancouver East, NDP, BC
    Minister of National Defense and Vet Affairs: Denis Coderre, Bourassa, Liberal, Montreal
    Minister of National Revenue: John McCallum, Markham-Unionville, Liberal, GTA
    Minister of Natural Resources and FEDNOR: Anthony Rota, Nipissing—Timiskaming, Liberal, Northern Ontario
    Minister of Public Safety: Thomas Mulcair, Outremont, NDP, Montreal
    Minister of Public Works and Government Services: Brian Murphy, Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, New Brunswick, Liberal
    Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs: Mark Holland, Ajax-Pickering, Liberal, GTA
    Minister of Transport: Joe Comartin, Windsor—Tecumseh, Southern Ontario, NDP
    Minister of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec): Alexandra Mendes, Brossard—La Prairie, Liberal, Montérégie
    President of the Treasury Board: Maurizio Bevilacqua, Vaughn, Liberal, GTA
    Secretary of State for Democratic Reform and Government House Leader: Carolyn Bennett, St. Paul’s, Liberal, GTA
    Secretary of State for Multiculturalism: Ruby Dhalla, Brampton-Springdale, Liberal, GTA
    Secretary of State for Women’s Issues: Judy Wasylycia-Leis, Winnipeg North, NDP Manitoba

    Total: 29 (including a few Secs of State)

    NDP: 7
    Liberals: 22

    Women: 9

    Newfoundland: 1
    Nova Scotia: 1
    PEI: 1
    Nova Scotia: 1
    Quebec: 6
    Ontario: 11
    Manitoba: 2
    Saskatchewan: 1
    Alberta: 1
    BC: 3
    North: 1

  • Terry

    Tom> See right there, is the reason you don’t get any rural votes in western Canada.

    If the wheat board isn’t important, support taking away the right of that organization to use the power of the state to enforce its monopoly. It doesn’t affect you, and would make many farmers happy.

  • Robert

    Hey Kody (and all you other would-be ‘Western Separatists’ and sympathizers):

    I guess this new paradise must surely exclude Vancouver (my home), Victoria, Nanaimo, western Kootenays, Bulkey Valley, downtown Edmonton, parts of Regina and Saskatoon, and Winnipeg, right?

    Because a majority of ‘westerners’ in these places voted for the NDP or the Liberals – and have the seats to prove it.

    Stop speaking for us. Tell your Tory friends. We know well you are. Unhappy western Conservatives are not synonymous with ‘western Canadians’ and you’re not fooling anyone.

  • Sisyphus

    Ah, yes. The revolt of the angry, middle-aged, white men.

    Revolting indeed.

  • TobyornotToby

    The Wheat Board is very popular with farmers (usually polls in the 85% range) in areas of Manitoba and Sakatchewan that commonly vote Conservative, terry. It works up the ideological Conservatives, but it doens’t get you anyone you don’t already have in the fold. Ending single desk sellnig just isn’t the big vote winner everyone at the Pertroleum club imagines it is. Try asking some farrmers instead of hooting about kulaks and Stalin for once.

  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    Yes. I recall hearing the Conservatives rigged a plebiscite of farmers re: the Wheat Board. I tend to be opposed to such schemes, but if farmers are in favour of it, I see no reason to abolish except as part of a trade liberalization scheme (why toss away our bargaining chips now?).

  • Rhaine

    Fiscal Conservative wrote:”While the lib-left punditariat is nearly united in favour of this lib-left coalition, the polls are showing that it is wildly unpopular with the Canadian people”

    Online polls don’t really count. At this moment, it seems there is only a single poll (CROP, done in Quebec) done on this subject and it doesn’t really support your position: 76% are in favor of a coalition, 9% want for election and 9% are undecided (possibly 6% refused to answer).

    As a side note, support for political parties are:
    Bloc 36%, LPC 28%, 15% NDP, 15% CPC (Quebec only).

  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    I’m sure we will see some polling on this in the near future. Of course, that is why the spin campaign is in full force. Most people won’t understand what is happening, so the CPC is going to try to use their money to make them understand.

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