Another trip down minority government memory lane – this time, with Jack Layton

by kadyomalley on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:16am - 76 Comments

Remember that letter that the three then-opposition leaders sent to the Governor General in 2005? Well, here’s what happened next, according to one of the “Three Amigos” himself:

The “Three Amigos,” as the media dubbed us, worked on other reforms as well. Gilles Duceppe wanted all the changes we had agreed upon to be put forward in an amendment to the Speech from the Throne. As the most experienced Opposition leader, he clearly wanted to move into the driver’s seat, and successfully did so for the first couple of meetings. Forcing the Liberals to accept our recommendations as an amendment to the speech from the throne amounted to a game of parliamentary “chicken.” If the government refused, Mr. Duceppe pointed out, the three parties had enough votes to ensure its defeat. Waiting outside Mr. Harper’s office for our meeting to begin, I asked Mr. Duceppe what he thought would happen if the prime minister refused to accept such an ultimatum. He replied that a government defeat so soon after a general election meant the Governor General would then have to turn “to one of us” to form a government. We both knew that meant Stephen Harper and his Conservatives. I asked Mr. Duceppe if he could accept such an eventuality. He was not only clear that he could, but he would.

Stephen Harper, while less inclined to brinksmanship, nevertheless warmed to the seduction of Mr. Duceppe’s strategy. Under this scenario, Mr. Harper would become prime minister in an informal alliance with the Bloc. Unthinkable? Not to either Mr. Harper or Mr. Duceppe. The Bloc leader was willing to strategize for Stephen Harper to become prime minister, despite the Conservatives’ many negative policies – policies completely contrary to the desires and values of most Quebecers. While shocked, I could not say I was surprised.

Mr. Duceppe and the Bloc would have been key players in any Harper coalition, demanding significant dismantling of our collective capacities as Canadians as the price for his support. That dismantling was something that would coincide nicely with Mr. Harper’s ideological and visceral distaste for any federal government oversight or ability to intervene in any social or economic programs administered by the provinces but utilizing federal tax dollars.

Realizing immediately the full magnitude of what was at stake, I knew I had to walk away. I was not about to participate in any scheme cooked up by the Bloc and the Conservatives that would put the country in the hands of Stephen Harper. It was clear from the election results just three months earlier that Canadians were not ready to elect Mr. Harper as prime minister. In fact, judging from the results, Canadians were not particularly keen on any one of us being in control. None of the four parties in the House had succeeded in receiving the support of even two of every five voters. My decision made, I informed the other Opposition party leaders that I was withdrawing from the talks. The Three Amigos were down to two.

The other two Opposition parties made it clear that, with my withdrawal, the NDP had lost any bargaining leverage. But, as it turned out, the NDP proposals were included in the package of amendments. It’s just that we didn’t secure any credit for the effort. So be it.

In my judgement, shared by the NDP caucus, it was far more important to respect the wishes of Canadians. Namely, that the minority House constructed by the voters in that peculiar collective wisdom that unfolded on election day be respected and given a chance to show what it could do. And it was even more important that my party not participate in any plot to turn over the country to a difficult and potentially devastating marriage of the Conservatives and the Bloc.

-”Speaking out louder” by Jack Layton (p. 340)

Back then, Stephen Harper wasn’t just willing to work with the Bloc Quebecois to bring down the Liberals. According to Layton, he was also prepared to take over as Prime Minister, and was likely to support the Bloc in its longtime push to limit federal spending powers — which seems plausible, given that the Harper-led Conservative government would eventually promise to do just that in the 2007 Speech from the Throne:

Our government believes that the constitutional jurisdiction of each order of government should be respected. To this end, guided by our federalism of openness, our Government will introduce legislation to place formal limits on the use of the federal spending power for new shared-cost programs in areas of exclusive provincial jurisdiction. This legislation will allow provinces and territories to opt out with reasonable compensation if they offer compatible programs.


In contrast, the agreement signed by the three leaders on Monday states only that a coalition government “would put in place a permanent consultation mechanism with the Bloc Quebecois”, in return for the following:

The Government will not request a dissolution of Parliament during the term of this agreement, except following defeat on an explicitly-framed motion of non-confidence presented by the Opposition; or any vote pertaining to the speech from the throne; or on a budget vote at any stage in the House; or on any bill to implement a budget at any stage in the House; or on any motion in the House to concur in, restore or reinstate any Estimates; or on a supply bill at any stage in the House.

The Bloc Quebecois will neither move nor will it support any motions of non-confidence in the Government during the term of its support for this agreement, and will vote in favour of the Government’s position with respect to all matters referred to in the immediately preceding paragraph.

So — which theoretical minority PM would be more at the mercy of the Bloc Quebecois on issues related to jurisdictional powers, federal-provincial relations and the creation of national programs? Actually, forget mercy – which would seem to be more likely to go along willingly?

Discuss.

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  • john g

    So Kady,

    Any reason why you stopped highlighting where you did? If you contined to highlight the next paragraph, you’d have found this little gem.

    It was clear from the election results just three months earlier that Canadians were not ready to elect Mr. Harper (replace with Mr. Dion for 2008) as prime minister. In fact, judging from the results, Canadians were not particularly keen on any one of us being in control. None of the four parties in the House had succeeded in receiving the support of even two of every five voters. My decision made, I informed the other Opposition party leaders that I was withdrawing from the talks.

    So as you continue to lovingly gaze back into your special little version of 2005 where only Harper was evil (much like today I guess), how about a quick glance at what is going on today; no comment at all on the fact that this “wise man council”, thrown out there by the Liberals and NDP in an attempt to provide credibility to this coaltion…doesn’t in fact even exist? That they made it up out of thin air to try to give themselves some economic credibility? McKenna was never in; Manley was never even consulted before having his name thrown out there?

    Why do you even continue the charade of posting at what is supposed to be a news magazine? Why not just take Cherniak’s old post at the head of LibLogs?

  • Ti-Guy

    but I think it’s for the electorate to decide (in due course) if Harper’s clinging-to-power routine is damaging or not.

    How can the electorate do that at this particular time? The media is so beholden to advertising campaign funding that it’s impossible to be an informed citizen. And CanWest and Sun Media are really desperate and shameless these days.

    As well, the less shameless media has gone off into la-la land with “user-generated” content that reduces information and knowledge to simply a matter of opinion. I was appalled with that in the last campaign.

    Well, I’m appalled by that every day, but…oh well.

  • Jack Mitchell

    I agree with you, Ti-Guy, about the appalling state of affairs in the House. My sense is just that, because it’s not entirely clear about the proroguing (no precedents, AFAIK, at least not since the 17th century), it would be better to err on the side of deferring to the PM’s Advice. For the reasons I sketched above, but most of all because we absolutely can’t risk the politicisation of the GG’s role. Imagine if we had, oh, John Baird as our GG right now, i.e. a partisan figure willing to do the Government’s bidding. It would be almost the end of Parliamentary government. Well, if Jean is perceived to have overreached on her reserve powers then we risk the next government — Tory or Coalition — appointing some partisan figure as GG; and then the next government turfing him/her out. For me that’s a nightmare scenario and I’d be willing to tolerate (not joyfully embrace) a rudderless ship, a merely semi-legitimate Ministry, and all-out partisan political warfare for 7 weeks if it means avoiding a de jure or (worse still) de facto presidential system.

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    John G – I think Jack Layton has explained at length why he feels differently now, and is now willing to support a coalition. You don’t have to believe him, or agree with him, to acknowledge that fact. The reason that I highlighted the portion that I did was because it addresses the question of whether the Bloc Quebecois would have had more influence over a 2005 coalition government led by Stephen Harper, or a 2008 coalition government led by Stephane Dion. Honestly, if I was motivated by some sort of dark desire to obfuscate Layton’s account of the meeting, why on earth would I have posted the entire passage? Sometimes you just get silly.

  • Chris

    Kady you seem to think that just because Jack Layton said it, it must be true. Not so. If anything all this indicates is that he has a coup fetish and knows full well Canadians don’t want him as a cabinet minister.

    So he’s a traitor. How you turned this against the Prime Minister is just silly. I must say, your comments during this whole affair have been viciously biased against the Conservatives. I’ve canceled my subscription to MacLeans, I can’t stand this lefty bias.

  • Michael

    Jenn:
    Unless my logic is flawed, your boss is a boffoon (and not just because he’s a conservative or because he obviously doesn’t respect the will of parliament.)
    He doesn’t like the fact that the new coalition has acheived promise from the Bloc to not defeat it for at least 18 months (and that’s all it is) so he wants to separate? His hatred for the separatists is such that he becomes a SEPARATIST???!!!
    Forget Blatty – this is more Pierre Boulle (from Planet of the Apes).

  • DCT

    The media is so beholden to advertising campaign funding that it’s impossible to be an informed citizen. And CanWest and Sun Media are really desperate and shameless these days.

    But the Star and G&M aren’t? Can I borrow your blinders when you are done with them?

  • First-timer

    I don not usually read or post on these sites, although I must say with everything that is happening these days I cannot get enough. I am in now way an expert in any of these matters, but I heard an interesting point the other day and it made me think. With all the talk abut the coalition being un-democratic etc, and that the voters should decide, I think we are losing site of one important fact.

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but in Canada we do not elect the government, in fact we do not even elect the party, what we have is a system that elects MPs, which in turn based on the number of seats a party has won, a government is formed. It is the responsibility of that government to then keep the confidence of the House so that they can effectively govern the country. That confidence has obviously been lost, and a new governement (albeit a coalition one) is being proposed that would regain said confidence and effectively govern the country. As a tax payer who is quite concerned during the present economic climate, that is news that I want to hear; that someone will responsibly take the lead and do something that would benefit us all.

  • Aurora

    Harper is the Republican of the North – the talking points and tactics are so similar:

    Dion (Obama) is palling around with the Separatists (terrorists). In both cases, the case is overstated. The degree of “palling around” with the Bloc is limited to consultation, just as the Conservatives consulted with them, and to a commitment not to defeat the coalition government (in which case, the Bloc are giving away more than they are taking as was pointed out in French by a Conservative in question period yesterday).

    Continue to misstate something even after it has been corrected – with Obama, they misstated his voting record even after it had been fact-checked by independent sources and the statement declared false. with Conservatives, they continue to use the statement that the Bloc has a veto, or that the Bloc is part of the coalition.

    Operate on the politics of division with wedge issues rather than the real issues. Even though the economic situation is the real issue, the Conservatives are drawing everyone into a discussion on Quebec sovereignty – that is why they have to continuously misstate the power of the Bloc.

    Depend primarily on attack ads – rather than reassuring the public he can manage the government and respond to their concerns. Instead, he is putting all his efforts into attacking the other parties, right up to the degree of suggesting that one party, democratically elected, should have no say in Parliament.

  • Aurora

    I did some calculations. The Liberals had 26.2% of the popular vote; the NDP had 18.2% of the popular vote. Together, they had 44.4% of the popular vote, compared to the Conservatives’ 37.6%. The Conservatives did not even deserve the number of seats they had! If we had Fair Vote, proportional representation, there would be no need to have a Bloc commitment to support the coalition.

  • Ti-Guy

    I sketched above, but most of all because we absolutely can’t risk the politicisation of the GG’s role.

    That role has to have, at some point, some substance, or it really is an impediment to democracy. There are certain realities the GG has to take into account….the loss of confidence in a minority government, a government with not very much popular legitimacy (despite its strength in the only parts of Canada that really count….The Perfect Prairie Provinces that constitute the Holy Heartland and Non-Toronto Central/Central-Southwestern Ontario), a session that’s just begun just after an election nobody wanted that Harper broke his own election law to have. And let’s not forget a government that’s been lying to us since the summer. Big lies, too.

    Then again, we all know that Harper will do what comes next if His Divine Will is thwarted. And God only knows what that’ll be.

  • TobyornotToby

    Terry, if you could take a minute away from your squabbles with Ti-Guy, I need to remind you that “the west” is more than Alberta, and that even Alberta is not monolithic politically.

    You presume a great deal when you suggest that “the west” has a single view, or even a majority view towards a federal-provincial relationship, or towards Quebec, or towards separating from Canada.
    Stop appropriating an entire region to shore up your personal opinion.

  • Jack Mitchell

    Ti-Guy — Well, there’s no way on God’s Green Earth that she’ll ever permit dissolution after a non-confidence vote, that’s something substantial.

    What I’d like to see is a curtailing of the Government’s ability to manipulate the agenda of the House. The Government should be able to control the agenda by virtue of its predominance in the House, not by virtue of the authority of Cabinet. Really, why is there any overlap between the Cabinet and the control of the House? The Cabinet is a separate entity. The House should be able to vote on the timing and substance of its own agenda.

  • Ti-Guy

    But the Star and G&M aren’t? Can I borrow your blinders when you are done with them?

    If you read the rest of my comment, I also accused the not-so-shameless media of not being all that wonderful either.

    Bottom line is when most Canadians don’t even know how Parliament works, we have a serious problem. And they can’t get away with blaming high school civics courses for that. People forget how these things work if the media itself can’t be bothered to remind people.

  • Ti-Guy

    What I’d like to see is a curtailing of the Government’s ability to manipulate the agenda of the House.

    In my entire lifetime, I’ve never seen a minority government go to such lengths to that as this one. It seems unprecedented. Then again, I only started taking politics seriously again after Stephen Harper’s support for the illegal/immoral invasion.

  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    I agree. Minority Parliament has taught us that we need to have the HoC in sole control of its agenda and perhaps even whether it is prorogued. What we are seeing now is a crisis that would have been much lessened had the PM not wielded these powers.

  • southernontarioan

    Wow.. nice spin Kady.

    Nothing like taking a partisan viewpoint on it.

    I mean, its not like Layton is now doing what he felt so strongly opposed to before. No no no, nevermind his hypocrisy, the real story is obviously what Duceppe felt about getting Harper to sign on to the Bloc’s demands. Do you have any evidence that Harper himself agreed to form a coalition? No. You just have Duceppe’s willingness to agree to one.

    I just noticed something about the wording of the agreement. The Bloc will “neither move nor support” any motions of non confidence. So what if they abstain or are absent? They will still be following the agreement and yet… the coalition would fail any non-confidence motion since the NDP-Liberals are outnumbered by the Bloc.

  • Michael H.

    It is mind boggling to read the support on this blog for a coalition that gives the separatists veto power over Canadian government legislation. And now we hear that Parizeau is supporting such an arrangement because it will be good for Quebec! Stand up for a united Canada!!

  • Stephen

    >In my entire lifetime, I’ve never seen a minority government go to such lengths to that as this one.

    Well, how old are you? That’s the catch here – we simply haven’t had much time under a minority government.

    Since 1921 (which I’m not sure if it would REALLY count as a minority, with King barely short of a majority and winning every vote without an issue thanks to Progressive support), we’ve seen, what, barely 10% of parliament’s time in minority status? With most of that coming in the last five years? Clark’s didn’t last long, Trudeau’s was a de facto majority thanks to the NDP, Dief’s was quickly scuttled… the only really raucous one was the Dief / Pearson era, and that produced three elections in about five years as well with a lot of bitterness on both sides as a result.

  • Brad Sallows

    >So — which theoretical minority PM would be more at the mercy of the Bloc Quebecois on issues related to jurisdictional powers, federal-provincial relations and the creation of national programs?

    Both. Those are all essentially non-supply issues. In case A, the opposition and the Bloc vote NO, the legislation doesn’t pass, and the government doesn’t fall. In case B, the same thing.

    So your smoking gun is that Harper heard out Duceppe and Layton; no evidence of a formal deal. And, we know the fall of Martin’s government was not the trigger for an attempt by opposition parties to obtain the confidence of the House.

    This time, we have a formal deal and we know the fall of the government will be the trigger for an attempt by opposition parties to obtain the confidence of the House.

    Objective people on all sides seem to be able to agree that Bloc MPs have the same rights as other MPs. The parties are going to spin things to suit themselves: once upon a time the Liberals, NDP, and national media agreed the Bloc were separatists to be shunned; today, not so much. Once upon a time the Conservatives were willing to discuss working with the Bloc, and might have actually done so if events had unfolded differently, but today the Conservatives portray the Bloc as separatists to be shunned.

    Once the media have satisfied themselves that politicians are creatures of expediency and improvisation in pursuit of power, would you all mind devoting some attention to what this coalition is planning to do with the government and the economy?

    Is Dion or Ignatieff to be PM? Or someone else?
    Is the $50B in planned corporate tax cuts to be retained or removed?
    Is there a panel of four economic advisors or not?
    Who else will enjoy privileged influence from the back rooms?
    Is the $30B in planned spending to come from tax increases, rollbacks of planned tax cuts, reduced spending in other areas, bond issues, or straight from the printers at the mint?
    What other goodies besides $1B in transfer payments were negotiated by Duceppe? Are any other provinces to receive special privileges?
    To which provinces and companies will monies for manufacturing, auto manufacturing, and forestry go? How much?
    What specific measures will be taken to backstop pensions? Which pension funds qualify? What is the maximum liability the coalition would have government take on?

    That outline platform that could stand some journalistic digging.

  • Brad Sallows

    >Bloc will “neither move nor support” any motions of non confidence. So what if they abstain or are absent?

    Read the following lines more closely. The Bloc is obligated to support the government, which by definition means not abstaining and not being unreasonably absent.

  • TobyornotToby

    Where is the veto Michael H.? It’s a written agreement, and the Bloc has agreed to observe confidence in the coalition government.

    Has it occured to you that getting rid of Harper is enough for the Bloc? If you’ve paid any attention to parliament, or even the election, you would have noticed BQ members trying to particpate in parliament, trying to improve legislation, and trying to get the focus on the economy like when in the English language debate Duceppe “accused Harper of giving tax breaks on corporate profits that benefit Canada’s booming oil industry but doing little to help manufacturing in Ontario and Quebec.” (CBC website).

    Or when he spoke to the Economic Club of Toronto on October where he said: “We strongly disagree with the Conservative way of managing the economy from an ideological point of view,” he told his audience. “It is very dangerous when a prime minister makes his decisions through an ideological prism instead of a pragmatic one.” (City News website)

    I think if you are interested enough to come to a site like this you should develop a more nuanced view of the Bloc which has been standing up for parliament and the economy even though, it has an explicity goal of sovereignty for Quebec. Even then the BQ says it wants a cooperative relationship with Canada.

    In other words unlike the Harper Conservatives, the BQ is pursusing a course of pragmatism vs. partisanship.

  • http://ontario-geofish.blogspot.com/ Harold Asmis

    I’m just interested in AECL and nuclear power for Ontario in all this. Seems to me, no matter what, the ball is dropped here.

    ps. Kady, you were once interested in the machinations of Bruce Power. It’s all blown away by this madness.

  • Brad Sallows

    >Where is the veto Michael H.? It’s a written agreement, and the Bloc has agreed to observe confidence in the coalition government.

    Notwithstanding what I wrote earlier, what are the enforcement provisions? The Bloc can pull the plug anytime it wants; the only sanctions the Bloc will face are the voters. Do you think the Bloc’s voters will hold it against them if they throw Canada into another period of turmoil after the Bloc finishes explaining that the coalition was not supporting Quebec’s interests? It’s not as if the Bloc can be punished by voters in the rest of Canada.

  • Jack Mitchell

    Doubtless ITQ is about to post on this, but it looks like 2005 wasn’t the first time that Harper’s party plotted nefariously with the evil, evil separatists to steal power.

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