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Aaron Wherry covers all the goings-on in and around Parliament Hill. Follow Aaron on Twitter: @aaronwherry

Dion v. Harper, Crack-up in the Commons

by Aaron Wherry on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:40am - 55 Comments

I’d read about the sound that comes from a boxing crowd right before a major fight, but I didn’t fully understand it until I covered a fight (Mike Tyson’s last as a professional, oddly enough). There is a barely concealed blood-lust to the noise that rises up—a palpable, common desire to see someone grievously injured, an anxious excitement at the prospect of what violence may unfold before our eyes. It was, in my single experience, legitimately frightening.

The cacophony in the House of Commons this afternoon wasn’t quite like that. But that this afternoon was even vaguely reminiscent of that sound is probably enough to conclude that we are now in a dark, and perhaps dangerous, place.

“It was a fine day to be a parliamentarian,” Chuck Strahl said afterwards, selflessly surrendering his claim to be among the reasonable members of this government.

It is impossible to assign blame without being slurred as a partisan—at some point we decided there would be no facts, only arguments—but whichever party you pray for, there surely must be some agreement that we shame ourselves when we casually invoke the flag.

Jon Stewart has a joke about how casually comparing someone to Hitler demeans not only the source, subject and object of such an attack, but also demeans Hitler. Invoking patriotism has roughly the same result. It demeans those whose patriotism is being questioned. It demeans those who are questioning the other’s patriotism. And it demeans patriotism.

Love of country has too often been a source of debate over the last year. Never mind its dubious inclusion in the debates over Afghanistan and the treatment of military detainees, at one point in this fall’s campaign even the Liberal party’s proposed carbon tax was billed as a threat to national unity. If you believe Stephen Harper to be an intelligent man—and you should—it is impossible to believe he believed such a thing. But he said it. Just as he said so much today.

Someone in another thread asked this evening whether I thought Mr. Dion and Mr. Harper hated each other. For the record—based on available evidence—I don’t think they hate each other. I think they dislike each other a great deal. I think Mr. Dion may respect Mr. Harper’s abilities as a political opponent. I don’t think Mr. Harper has any kind of respect for Mr. Dion. I think Mr. Harper’s toughness is consistently overstated. I think Mr. Dion’s toughness is consistently underrated. I think, given his political career, Mr. Dion takes this very personally. I think Mr. Harper, given his personal ambitions, takes this nearly as personally. I think they’d sooner be rid of each other. But whereas Mr. Dion might have an entirely different relationship with a different Conservative leader, I’m not sure Mr. Harper would engage another Liberal leader any other way.

All of that informs what happened this afternoon. The Conservatives were primed for a show of force from the outset (and, by the sounds of it, had a bit of a pep rally in the government lobby afterwards). But it wasn’t until Mr. Harper made indisputably false claims about the flag and Mr. Dion that the proceedings truly turned. At that point, for all intents and purposes, Question Period ceased, giving way to a remarkable clash between the two men who seek a claim to high office. Dion could barely maintain the control necessary to form words, screaming across the aisle at the Prime Minister. Harper challenged and goaded him on.

No matter your perspective and whatever comes next, it is difficult to imagine these moments not proving pivotal.

Here then, for the record, is the official transcript. Full translation won’t be available until the morning, but I will replace this with that when it is made public.

L’hon. Stéphane Dion (chef de l’opposition, Lib.): Monsieur le Président, j’ai donné ma vie pour l’unité de ce pays, pour mon amour envers le Canada. Avec cette entente, le Bloc a accepté d’avoir 18 mois de stabilité politique au Canada. Voilà ce qu’obtient le Canada par le biais de cette entente.

Le très hon. Stephen Harper (premier ministre, PCC): Monsieur le Président, aujourd’hui, la chef du Parti québécois a dit que cet arrangement démontrait la nécessité de la souveraineté. Les députés du Bloc québécois ont applaudi lorsque je l’ai citée. Mr. Speaker, if the leader of the Liberal Party believes in the country, he will walk away from this document and admit it is the worse mistake the Liberal party has ever made in its history.

Hon. Stéphane Dion (Leader of the Opposition, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the one who is dividing Canadians more than anybody else is this Prime Minister. I will show him that again. He is saying that we Liberals are selling Canada to the separatists. His Quebec MPs are saying that the separatists are selling their souls to the Liberals. He needs to choose between these two lies. Canadians are fed up with these lies.

The Speaker: Order, please. I am not sure what statement the Leader of the Opposition is referring to, but I am sure it was not the Prime Minister’s statement. The Right Hon. Prime Minister has the floor.

Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): Mr. Speaker, there are two very clear choices. The Canadian people made a choice to elect the Conservative Party to govern, without the support of the separatists. If the leader of the Liberal Party wants to become Prime Minister with the support of the separatists, he needs to put that option to the people of Canada.

Hon. Stéphane Dion (Leader of the Opposition, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, as a democrat, I know that when a government is elected as a minority government, it has the responsibility to behave accordingly. The Prime Minister has failed to address the economic crisis. He has failed. If he was a democrat, he would allow the House to show how much he failed.

Some hon. members: Oh, oh.

The Speaker: The Right Hon. Prime Minister. Order, please.

Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC): Mr. Speaker, the leader of the Liberal Party–

Some hon. members: Oh, oh.

The Speaker: Order, please. We will have a little order. I know members are enjoying engaging in a vigorous debate during this question period, but we do have to be able to hear the questions and the responses. The Prime Minister has the floor.

Right Hon. Stephen Harper: Mr. Speaker, the leader of the Liberal Party failed to convince Canadians in the wisdom of his platform or in the sufficiency of his judgment to be Prime Minister of this country. If he wants to take the unprecedented step of scrapping the results of an election campaign and forming for the first time in Canadian history a government entirely dependent on the support of separatists to run this country, then he has the responsibility not to hide behind parliamentary niceties or deals, but to go to the people of Canada.

Hon. Stéphane Dion: Mr. Speaker, when this Prime Minister was fighting to put firewalls around the province we all love, I was fighting for clarity for this country.

Le Président: À l’ordre s’il vous plaît. L’honorable chef de l’opposition a la parole maintenant.

L’hon. Stéphane Dion: Monsieur le Président, quand le premier ministre se battait pour mettre un mur autour d’une province que nous aimons tous, moi je me battais pour l’unité du Canada. Tout ce que je ferai pour mon pays, ce sera pour le renforcer, jamais pour l’affaiblir, jamais pour le diviser, jamais pour autoriser les députés du Québec de dire l’inverse de lui, aujourd’hui même, en cette Chambre.

Le très hon. Stephen Harper (premier ministre, PCC): Monsieur le Président, ce Parti conservateur défend les pouvoirs du fédéral et les pouvoirs des provinces. C’est l’histoire de notre fédération que ce Parti conservateur a créé. This has nothing to do with federal-provincial powers. It is very simple. The leader of the Liberal Party wants to turn his back on the results of the last election. He wants to turn his back on the traditions of his own party and he wants to form a coalition with the Quebec separatists. He should either walk away from that or take it to the people–

Some hon. members: Oh, oh.

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  • kody

    taking from power the party that was 12 seats shy of a majority, not as the result of a one-off fluke, but after three sucessive elections of significant gains – hey look at the pretty birdie in the tree

    putting in power the party that lost miserably, not as the result of a one-off fluke, but after three successive elections of significant seat declines – hey let’s go shopping

  • kody

    taking from power the party that recieved the confidence of the house in the acceptance of the throne speech – and your point is

    putting in power the party that voted in confidence of the party sought to be taken out……and every successive confidence vote for over a year previously – does this shirt make me look fat

  • Just visiting

    Peter spoke of “Harper hatred derangement syndrome

    This particular dismissive retort to anyone criticizing H. is right out of the Bush/Rove playbook. The GOP went on and on for years about how criticism of Bush was rooted in some bizarre psychosis, rather than being based on a correct reading of the reality of his disastrous administration.

    I see that CPC supporters have now adopted the same rhetorical tactic.

    Surprising? No. But it is noteworthy that they are once again adopting GOP-style smear tactics to discredit and dismiss critics. That’s exactly why Harper has failed as a PM to win the support of most Canadians.

    - JV

  • Bill Simpson

    I don’t see why Wherry is being so squeamish. These are big issues and much depends on the outcome of these debates. If this does not stir the emotions, then nothing will. We need to see more of Harper and Dion going at each other; only then will the country see what they are really made of.

    Dion is holding up ok but he needs to get control over his voice and body language. He really looks like he is about to jump up and down and squeal…it is detracting from his arguments.

    Harper looks colder and colder by contrast, and appears to be losing his connection with his surroundings. Nonetheless, his jibes about separatism are meaningful.

  • john g

    Ottawa Researcher,

    Not bad. Here’s how I would handle this crisis. We need to bail out the political system before we bail out the economy.

    1) Harper resigns as PM and resigns his seat immediately
    2) Dion and Layton resign as leaders of their respective parties and resign their seats immediately. None of the 3 are ever seen in the commons again
    3) Interim leaders are appointed (I would nominate Strahl, Cotler, and Comartin) with the CPC to lead a caretaker government with executive powers (appointments, etc.) curtailed. Government would pass whatever is needed for supply and recess, to be recalled for emergency only.
    4) All 3 parties hold an abbreviated leadership convention. Liberals move up the date of theirs. Special one time only funding of $2M is provided to each party to conduct their convention.
    5) As soon as the 3 leaders are in place, dissolve parliament and hold a general election with reduced spending limits ($9M). On a one-time only basis to avoid financial default by any player, this election will be funded by the government. CPC, LPC, and NDP each get 9M. BQ and Green parties get whatever they spent in the last election.

  • Brad

    I don’t think the question about who the Canadian people elected works for either side of this argument.

    The People’s House is made up of their local representatives. Those representatives speak for their community and are asked to choose form among themselves their “first among equals”.

    We have Responsible Government. The Government must maintain the confidence of the House to conitnue governing. Political scientists liek to get into readng the tea leaves after elections and talk about mandates and the dominant reasons why peole vote. That simply doesn’t matter. What matterrs in the system we have is that the Government continue to have the support of the majority of the House for its core agenda.

    If it doesn’t, then the GG must look for an alternative. Depending on convention she will either consider an election or another possible combination of representatives in the House. That’s the way it works and anything else is wishful political posturing.

    Read David E Smith’s book on the People’s House. You are all very passionate and care about the way in which your country is governed. The system we have devised is actually quite elegant and has proven to be more successful in developing democracies than the congressional model. It breaks down when we try to import concepts foreign to the model.

  • Karol

    Pol
    Why would I lie to you?? Visit Blogging Tories and find Vancouver South Recount tread go to page five and start reading and you will find all the details of electoral fraud during last federal elections.
    I made a report to Commissioner of Election Canada and they are looking into it.

  • Jack Mitchell

    Karol, I’m starting to think you’re an NDP agent provocateur.

  • DianeG

    If we have to have an election, and I would say that proroguing the House would be the worst possible choice at this time, then the Coaltion should work out a deal to put up one Candidate for each riding.

  • Ti-Guy

    Visit Blogging Tories and find Vancouver South Recount tread go to page five and start reading and you will find all the details of electoral fraud during last federal elections.

    Can you go somewhere else to post your nonsense, you lunatic?

  • Bridget from Durham

    Great post! Thank you for your reasonable and thoughtful arguments.

  • Karol

    I just wonder how long will it take after “Three Stooges Rebellion” is put out before we start “The Great Purge” of Liberal Nomenclatura???
    Where is Senator Joseph McCarthy when we really need him??

  • Geiseric the Lame

    LKO: “It’s the Bloc that’s committed itself to supporting the Coalition (on confidence votes only, and as was said above the Coalition doesn’t plan to having every vote on when to break for lunch be considered a confidence matter) not the Coalition that’s committed to supporting the Bloc.”

    Its a pity the stovepipe press has now or ever will have any intention of spelling that out.

    Fear, after all, sells.

  • Brad

    Karol – JS Mill may have had you in mind:

    “The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.”

    He would ask you to be more open minded and he would ask those who dismiss you to do so as well. And, finally, he would point to the pure venom and malice in your posts and say that it proves his point: colliding with what you say only clarifies.

  • Karol

    Ti-Guy
    I hate to write this and burst your bubble but as you type on your computer your blasphemy your IP address is being traced and conservative goons are on their way to pick you up.

  • Geiseric the Lame

    oopsy

    Its a pity the stovepipe press will now or ever have any intention of spelling that out.

    Fear, after all, sells.

  • Geiseric the Lame

    my kingdom for an edit button

    Its a pity the stovepipe press will NOT now or ever have any intention of spelling that out.

    Fear, after all, sells.

  • hazzard

    I’m quite convinced none of these men are worthy of leading our country. Harper, Dion, Layton, Duceppe……none of them. Just make them all go away!

  • Karol

    Brad
    Please do not accuse me of having closed mind. I studied Marxism and Leninism at graduate level. These people do not even have a clue what is the meaning of a word “Nomenclatura”.
    I find their ignorance of basic concepts of socialism very troubling to say the least.

  • Oh Boy

    Karol,

    I say, based on both academic and real world expertise in these matters, that you are a charlatan. If you had the slightest understanding of what nomenclatura (and today’s siloviki) means, you would never draw such a comparison to Canada’s parliamentary democracy. How many journalists have been jailed in Canada for covering these debates? Who has been “medically detained” to a psychiatric ward for counterrevolutionary thinking? Which newspapers have had their presses smashed? Exactly how many of our provincial premiers and legislative assemblies have been hand-picked by the federal executive without benefit of a public vote?

    Yesterday you were saying on these posts — in a celebratory manner — that Harper would roll tanks onto the streets of Ottawa.
    Today you call for a return to the Red Scare and McCarthyism.
    Now you suggest that another poster’s IP address is being tracked, so he’d better watch what he says or “conservative goons” will “pick him up”.

    If you had an ounce of decency you would apologize for the threatening remarks you have posted here and retreat further under your slimy rock.

  • Peter

    JV, I include myself in the partisan reference.

    “This particular dismissive retort to anyone criticizing H. is right out of the Bush/Rove playbook. The GOP went on and on for years about how criticism of Bush was rooted in some bizarre psychosis, rather than being based on a correct reading of the reality of his disastrous administration.”

    Have you nothing on the substance of the argument?

  • Dee

    M. Harper is walking a very thin line. Whatever the outcome the damage he’s done to unity in this country may be irreparable. Merci.

  • TJ Cook

    It is, for a few days at least, still a free country, and as a Canadian I am still free to express my opinion that this constitutes high treason and that anyone involved in this breach of public trust should be dealt with like they are in high functioning countries like China – they should be executed, for attempting to steal $30 billion from the taxpayers of Canada.
    Somebody note the time and date – the rhetoric has cleared the stratosphere and has entered orbit.

  • Oh Boy

    Patriot, meet Karol.
    Karol, meet Patriot.

    So the 30+% drop in US auto sales for Honda and Toyota and the 40+% drops for US makers are just fiction? The 72% drop in the value of pension funds is a liberal media conspiracy? (PS: The G&M, NatPost, CTV, Global, 15 of 16 newspapers all endorsed Harper, so I guess it’s a pretty small conspiracy, eh?)

    So you want people executed like in China — and that makes you a patriot?

    Maybe you and Karol could pool your resources and buy a small island on which to set up your high-functioning tin-pot dictatorship.

    As for “breech of the public trust”, isn’t that a fair way of describing a minority party attempting to govern without the consent of the majority of the people’s representatives in the House?

  • TJ Cook

    Karol: “Visit Blogging Tories and…”

    FAIL

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