Liveblogging the PM’s visit to Rideau Hall

by kadyomalley on Thursday, December 4, 2008 7:23am - 508 Comments

Liveblogging the PM’s visit to Rideau Hall

ITQ will be joining the media stakeout on the Governor General’s doorstep this morning – check back at 9ish for full liveblogging coverage.

8:52:01 AM
Greetings fellow monarchist (and not so much) butterflies! Just a quick update from the road – literally; I’m currently on the bridge to New Edinburgh – I may be a teeny bit late in getting this on the spot liveblogging on the way. Just a few minutes, most likely – unless I accidentally walk into an open manhole while composing this entry, which would be somewhat fitting, really. I promise that In return, I won’t complain if the PM turns out to be running a bit behind schedule himself. Gosh, isn’t this exciting?

9:02:18 AM
We have protesters, ladies and gentlemen! They are clustered in front of the gates – which I just whizzed past in vehicular comfort after one of my colleagues spotted me trudging by the side of the road. They seem to be exclusively anti-coalition — and the signs look homemade — but not quite at angry mob status yet. I’d guess like – two dozen? Maybe more?

Anyway, I’m here now, so I’ll scope out the scene and report back in a few minutes.

9:06:14 AM
Okay, so the cameras are staking out the back entrance – which is around the corner from the iconic shot of the front doors – although there is a small contigent in front of the water fountain, which is currently full of ice water and chilly reporters. I don’t think there’s much chance that he’ll stop to chat with us before – or after – his meeting, but you never know. Hope springs eternal in a liveblogger’s chest!

At least it’s not brutally cold – in fact, it’s almost balmy for December.

9:10:46 AM

Much discussion of The Tape Fiasco amongst the press, although the consensus seems to be that the speech itself actually wasn’t bad, as far as the substance. If only it hadn’t been delivered via Skype using a shaky wifi connection. For the want of a competent videographer, etc.

9:13:15 AM
So apparently, he’ll be arriving by the *front* entrance, which has sparked a mad mass dash for the fountain. This isn’t like a normal Rideau Hall stakeout – no media tents, no Don Newman. At least we have Dimitri – wearing a high risk but potentially gamechanging tie that features crosshatching *and* stripes – to spread love and good will from the PMO. But no hot chocolate, alas.

Apparently, the PM will have a “sit down” with the GG, after which he will possibly have a statement for us. Or he’ll just stomp out in a dark rage.

9:16:48 AM
Kory Teneycke is dealing with a minor – but growing – media insurrection for his decision to block the cameras from filming the PM’s actual entrance. “Do you own this land?” One reporter asks.

9:18:51 AM
Poor Kory. He’s been surrounded. “I’m not going to have this discussion on camera,” he says.

9:20:37 AM
Now one of the PM’s security guards is scrumming – unwillingly. This is so much more interesting than I expected! See, it pays to show up early.

9:22:34 AM
Alright, the revolution has begun. The cameras are reassembling outside the side entrance – where we’re not supposed to be shooting – and the security seems to have capitulated to the mob.

9:24:58 AM
Colleague Wherry is here, and has joined us on the barricades! “We will have an arrival shot,” one producer says into his cell phone. Oh, it’s on.

9:26:31 AM
And apparently, the GG is meeting with the opposition leaders this afternoon.

9:27:56 AM
Ooh, the motorcade just blew by – on the way to the *other* back entrance. The backiest of all. “What are you afraid of, sir?” Yells someone from the crowd. I can’t actually see what’s going on, being short and all, but the buzz in the crowd is downright hostile.

9:30:11 AM
The PM waved at us as he drove by. That’s nice, at least. Now Kory is telling the crowd that they’re waiting until they get an answer from the GG before heading to Woodstock for the auto plant announcement.

9:32:04 AM
Okay, so if they get an answer right away, it’s off to Woodstock, where he will have a media availability. If not, he’ll give a statement somewhere, at some point.

9:34:49 AM
Still waiting – and going to take a brief break from liveblogging to let my fingers unfreeze. It’s not that cold, I know – unless you happen to be typing on your berry pretty much nonstop. If something happens in the next few minutes, I’ll be back – otherwise, time for a health break, everyone!

Kory just went inside to find out what’s going on, by the way. “And warm up,” he admits.

9:40:50 AM
The coffee, I’m told is not very good, and not even warm.

9:50:18 AM
A sudden flurry of media movement to the front entrance. Apparently he’s coming out. Or not. Nobody knows everything, which is somehow comforting, since someone suddenly knowing anything would be a radical shift.

9:51:36 AM
All eyes and lenses are on the front door, which is festively bedecked in wreathery. Rosemary Thompson is doing a standup behind me that began with the words “Any minute now”…

New theory: if he doesn’t get his answer, he’ll go out the back door. Or the side door. Or sit there in her vestibule in a black rage until she makes up her mind.

9:57:42 AM
The motorcade is still outside, which means he’s still inside.

10:00:20 AM
The camera throng – of which I am now a part – is becoming alarmed by my incessent teethchattering and trembling. Gloves are being offered. So gallant.

10:02:49 AM
Hmm. Kory never came back, did he?

10:05:32 AM
Maybe they’re trying to freeze us out. Still no word from inside – and no sign of anyone at all from PMO. 41 minutes and counting, y’all. Not that we’re counting.

10:10:29 AM
Every now and then, you can just make out the distant sound of disgruntledment from the protesters out front.

10:17:04 AM
And he’s coming out! Or – people are coming out, anyway. Not sure if the PM is among them. Also, a tip to those organizing nonpartisan grassroots demonstrations: most of us who work on the Hill can recognize Conservative staffers – even when they’re all decked out like ordinary Canadians.

10:20:39 AM
We’re starting to wonder if the opening of the doors a few minutes ago was just an attempt to distract us from the fact that the PM is going to leave by the side door. We’re not that hard to distract, apparently.

10:26:44 AM
The sun keeps flickering off and on. We can’t decide whether it’s a good omen for the PM or not.

10:29:31 AM
We just saw the flash of a camera inside the foyer, but nobody knows if that means anything. I thought I’d pass it on anyway, though.

10:34:44 AM
I have left the frontlines of the barricades and am now standing by the fountain with Colleague Wherry and company. It’s a little warmer here in the sun, but not much. I can’t feel my toes at this point, which is actually an interesting sensation.

10:38:26 AM
There was just a sound check from an unknown source. It was a little like suddenly hearing the voice of God saying, “Test … Test ..”

10:40:46 AM
The two-man PMO communication team hasn’t resurfaced, which makes me think he’s not coming out anytime soon. Unfortunately, as long as he’s inside the compound, we have to stay here. For Canadians!

10:44:17 AM
Apparently, CTV is reporting that the Woodstock trip has been cancelled. Oooh. That doesn’t sound good.

10:47:06 AM
The atmosphere out here is getting downright festive, mostly out of a desperate desire to distract ourselves from the cold.

11:00:23 AM
Well, they just closed the front doors, but apologized for getting us all excited by, you know, moving.

11:02:32 AM
I am now huddled by the barricade, listening to Bob Fife do his standup in hopes of learning something – anything! – about what’s going on inside. Yes, it’s come to this. He seems to think that they “chatted” for a while, and then she went off to talk to her advisors.

11:06:40 AM
Update: According to someone who just heard Jean Lapierre, the GG’s advisors told her to tell the PM that she’ll see him on Tuesday. No idea if that’s true, or just Jean Lapierre being mischievous.

11:13:16 AM
Running! Camera crews running! They’re like gazelles, these guys – they can sense danger. Which of course means a good shot.

11:19:13 AM
The doors are open again! Still no sign of Kory or Dimitri, however.

11:21:40 AM
The RCMP detail has emerged once again – two of them, a man and a woman – and we’re on high alert in the media pit.

11:23:56 AM
Could they be calling in the Queen to settle this? If she says no, does he have any route to appeal?

11:26:11 AM
The podium is here!

11:27:12 AM
You know, I don’t think any of us have the slightest idea what he’s about to tell us. This is just — neat. Right now, the podium attendants are hooking up the mics.

11:31:11 AM
Again – for some reason that last bulletin didn’t go through – CTV is reporting that she *will* prorogue. No idea what that is based on, but it could well be true.

11:36:01 AM
PMO now saying the prorogue was granted, as per CBC. Nobody is telling us anything, of course.

11:37:28 AM
We can hear chants of “Harper! Harper!” coming from down the road. Perhap the PM will stop and chat with them on his way out!

11:42:27 AM
Yes, we’re still out here. No, he hasn’t come out. Yes, it’s still cold.

11:45:59 AM
It’s Dimitri! He resurfaced! The PM will make a statement, and then take four questions, which we can decide amongst ourselves.

11:47:58 AM
Oh, there’s Kory, too. He looks warm. The sky, incidentally, has gone dark and there are shards of what seem to be icy sleet icily sleeting.

11:50:06 AM
Yay, snow on the berryscreen. Best stakeout ever! At least it’s about to end. Okay, here he comes – sixty second warning.

11:52:00 AM
Here he comes – wearing a dark cloak. A long black cloak, which wouldn’t have been my choice, given the context. He does sound sick, actually – or throat hoarsey at least – and he confirms that the GG has agreed to prorogue Parliament. He says that last Friday, he asked Canadians to give their feedback – and they did. When the House cvmes back, the budget will be the first order of business.

He won’t tell us about his chat with the GG, and once again says that Canadians want to make the economy their priority.

11:56:14 AM
Hail? Seriously?

Does he keep saying that it’s up to three parties to work together? Does that mean he’s officially denounced the parliamentary presence of the Bloc?

11:57:06 AM
Rosemary Thompson asks if he made a mistake, and how he will rebuild the trust of the opposition parties. He defends the initial move to pull public financing, and claims the public “never suppoorted’ it in the first place. And …he gives us his version of a timeline, but declines to acknowledge any mistakes were made. “We have to do some trustbuilding on both sides,” he says.

12:01:50 PM
Y’all, I apologize for the dearth of updates – I can barely see my berry screen through the sleet, and I’m sure most of you are watching this live. He is sounding sort of vaguely conciliatory – or is that in denial? – and CP just asked if he is “delaying the inevitable”. Is he really just launching into an election campaign? The PM denies that his government uses public resources on an election campaign – that’s a very strict rule – and says he’ll be concentrating primarily on the budget. He hopes the opposition parties will do the same – and he makes a not so veiled reference to some opposition members who would rather work *with* the government on the economy.

Oh, except the Bloc. The Bloc aren’t interested in working on the economy – there is a “fundamental difference.” The othr three parties have “very different responsibilities.”

12:08:11 PM
More going after the Bloc – boy, it’s going to be embarrassing if he ends up needing their votes to support his government at budget time – and then the same answer in French – at least, I’m assuming it was, I’m sure if not, it will be noted – before Dimitri puts all of us out of our hypothermic misery and prorogues the press conference. Which ITQ entirely supports, given the grave temperature crisis that we face.

With that, I’m going to sign off and get warm. See you in a bit!

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  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    This prorogation is a crisis, and has established an incredibly dangerous precedent. If any deal is struck to allow the CPC to continue to govern, it should be legislation preventing an illegitimate Prime Minister clinging to power (which he can do for up to a year, by this precedent).

  • Andrew

    Run Stephen run, you coward!

  • bud

    Can I ask what exactly Dion meant when he said this in Sept 23, 2008:

    “We cannot have a coalition with a party [NDP] that has a platform that would be damaging for the economy”

  • Liz

    Does anyone know where PM Georgie Porgie ran away to today?

    Is he on a jet to Calgary to kick off his latest “It’s All About Me!” campaign?

  • Nerdy Girl

    I wanna know where you go to file a complaint against that Mike Duffy guy! I don’t have TV so tend to read more than I watch but I just caught Mike interviewing Prentice (on my computer)….there were no questions! Friggen Prentice just had to nod and go yup, yup, thats very true we’ve done a lot…Holy jumpin no wonder I gave up on TV! But why id that Mike guy still employed..are we allowed to complain about shoddy journalism…was that journalism or was that like a “Good Morning America” kinda dribble?

  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    bud,

    If Harper’s plan is to ban the Bloc from serving in Parliament and kick all of their MPs out to hold by elections to replace them, then I’ll agree that his decision to prorogue Parliament in order to begin an attempt to utterly destroy separatism in Canada is a scenario somewhat equivalent to WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, and the Pacific Scandal. It’ll probably rip the country apart, but it’d definitely be of similar impact.

    Somehow though I’d bet that before Spring the Tory government (if it survives) will have been kept in power at least once through the efforts of the separatists and no one but the separatists.

    We’ll have to see though, since the Prime Minister prefers not to let anyone know what he’s planning until he tables it in the House of Commons. Heck, he even goes so far as to misdirect us on occassion by telling us that he’s planning the exact opposite of what he’s really planning.

    He’s a wily chess master that one.

  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    bud,

    I’m guessing Dion meant the same thing as Harper did when he said on October 14th, 2008: “We’ll never go back into deficit.

  • T. Thwim

    Sure bud, he meant he couldn’t form a coalition with a party that had a plan to keep 50 billion dollars of taxes imposed on businesses.

    You’ll note, however, that in the current form of the coalition, that’s one promise that has been moderated out.

  • sanityinjection

    The tone of this discussion amazes me. Why doesn’t anyone want to hold the coalition accountable for deliberately fomenting a political crisis and distracting everyone from dealing with the economy? Why doesn’t anyone want to admit that the coalition’s cynical attempt to force out the government chosen by the Canadian people less than two months ago is just as anti-democratic, and just as legal, as Harper’s prorogation – one attack on democracy breeds another.

    You can well argue that all Harper cares about is clinging to power – but does anyone seriously believe that the coalition has any other motive? I find it hypocritical that so many people here are quick to criticize one side while holding the other side blameless for the exact same offenses.

  • Stephen

    The precedent is the GG following the PM’s advice, thats the key precendent. Thats how Westminster works….I believe the call was to let the system work the way its supposed to…….

    Unless one of the aides de camp starts speaking “unintentionally” at Christmas social functions, we will not know what conditions or limits or promises were made. Given that at least 50% of the Prorogue time would have been Christmas holidays anyway for Parliament then this is hardly a major problem.

    I mean, it isnt like Martin actually LOSING a confidence vote and then doing it again….ahh thats where Dion learned it. Did Martin speak to the GG then? If he did he likely would have told her he sully expected to demonstrate his confidence soon, with Belinda. Same principle….GG takes advice of PM, and he defends it…..keeps the crown clean, so to speak.

    Facts on the table, the government had not lost confidence yet, in fact had a vote of confidence in its pocket, which I believe the oppsoition could have voted against if it really wanted to, the fact that it had agreed to it once made that difficult. The government was coming up on a confidence vote genertaed by the opposition before the Budget could be presented….the confidence motion was whipping things up over lack of budget items….it was hardly a stretch of an argument for the government to say it deserved the chance to meet the House with a budget that might satisfy enough of the House.

    Bottom line, the move was appropriate, the price will be paid by the PM since he has to defend his advice and not by the GG who would have had to defend her substitution of judgement. I know many dont like it but this is how the advice piece works. Harper would have made a tactical mistake if he resigned, since the GG is duty bound to have only one official counsellor at a time, one who defends the government as is accountable to the people. If he resigns she is free to seek another.

    The GG has awesome powers, she is a monarch afterall or at least the office is, but those powers are to be used in only the most desperate of situations. We arent at that desperate situation, arent anywhere near there by any objective measure, which would usually mean the existence of the country, not a bad spot of economics.

  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    T. Thwim ‘s answer to bud is better, but mine’s funnier.

    (In a “Ha, Ha, either the PM was the only person on the planet who didn’t know in October how bad the economy would get, or he lied right to our faces on election day… isn’t that hilarious!” kinda way)

  • bud

    I’m guessing Dion meant the same thing as Harper did when he said on October 14th, 2008: “We’ll never go back into deficit.“

    Gee, wonder how hard I’d have to look to find good ole LKO complaining about Harper answering his critics with “the other guy does it too.” Not hard, I’d wager.

    And here I thought it was only Conservatives that lied and played politics. Liberals and Dion are pure didn’t ya know. Except for that whole corruption thing which nobody talks about.

  • Nerdy Girl

    So…………….Sanityinjection, Do you honestly believe at anytime Harper would have listened and incorporated any recommendation from any other Party into his Economic Update? They still believe this was about the 1.95 subsidy….Someone somewhere presented an argument that the threat of a coalition is the only thing that has stopped Harper and I would add – woke up the people of Canada to the kind of liar Harper is. Harper still believes he has done enough to stimulate the economy!

  • g-dogg

    Anyone else notice that if Prorogation was not granted, and Harper was defeated on a voted of non-confidence on Dec 8th, he would go down in the books as the PM with the shortest term of office (1 month, 23 days).

    With the prorogation until Jan 26, he avoids this dubious “honour”
    (Jan 26 is approx 3 months, 13 days in office)

    This would still be the shortest term of office for an elected PM (as opposed to interim PMs appointed by their Party: Alexander MacKenzie (subsequently elected), Arthur Meighen, and Pierre Trudeau (subsequently elected))

  • Mike T.

    Stephen
    Dec 4, 2008 16:55
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    The precedent is the GG following the PM’s advice, thats the key precendent. Thats how Westminster works….I believe the call was to let the system work the way its supposed to…….

    I mean, it isnt like Martin actually LOSING a confidence vote and then doing it again….ahh thats where Dion learned it. Did Martin speak to the GG then? If he did he likely would have told her he sully expected to demonstrate his confidence soon, with Belinda. Same principle….GG takes advice of PM, and he defends it…..keeps the crown clean, so to speak.

    * * *

    it is unprecedented for a Pm to try to pro-rogue when the other side wants a confidence vote.

    And it has been demonstrated repeatedly that the motion you refer to during the Martin government was not a confidence motion.

  • T. Thwim

    sanity: Because the coalition didn’t. You’ll note that they approved the throne speech which made noises of a new way of running parliament..a cooperative, consultative way.

    Then Harper presented his FU to the opposition.

    Directly lied to, again, the house lost confidence in the one appointed prime minister. They didn’t forment the crisis, Mr. Harper did by his continuing to say one thing and do the opposite. And it’s not an attempt to force out government. The conservative party would still be in parliament, still able to voice its opinions on bills, it just wouldn’t be drafting them or setting the agenda.

    It was not an attack on democracy because Canada did not vote for any single party to have power. It was an affirmation of democracy because Canada voted such that only in cooperation.. in coalition one might say.. would anything be able to pass the government. Harper did not heed that view, and so was going to pay the price of ignoring the will of all Canadians (not just the Conservative ones). And indeed, he put off the vote of non-confidence once before retreating to hide behind the skirts of her Excellency.

    And because it was not an attack on democracy for the coalition to act as it did.. that is to heed Canadian’s wishes that no single party govern the country.. it is an attack on democracy for Mr. Harper to attempt to delay it.

    That said, I’ll also point out that the Liberals abstaining through all of those confidence votes was also an attack on democracy. They shouldn’t have done it then, even though they had to to survive. Unfortunately, when Mr. Harper pursues games and political power rather than governance and national benefit, realpolitik winds up being the order of the day.

    That said, Hoser is correct, this move was appropriate of the GG, the blame for it lands squarely on Harper for attempting to sully our system to his personal power seeking goals (and succeeding). However, I also believe that had the GG chosen to say no, given the looming vote of confidence, and the avowed determination of the majority of the House to vote non-confidence, it would also have been entirely appropriate as a strong case can be made that, while technically he still possessed the confidence of the house, everybody involved is well aware that it is seriously in doubt, and if it is in doubt, can he truly be said to be the proper person to be the Governor General’s advisor. So it would also have been appropriate for her to require that he remove doubt about his suitability for the position.

  • bud

    Thwim: “current form of the coalition,”

    Kind of a moving target ain’t it?

    I suppose you’re lucky enough not to have any financial assets in order to support such an obviously disfunctional “coalition” at such a precarious time. Good for you.

  • Dee

    Dion didn’t ‘start’ this. He did his job which is protecting the interests of All Canadians.

    We have the government we deserve.

    I hope Conservatives in Canada will be happy with the final outcome.

  • bud

    This is all about the Liberals regaining power. Nothing else. I understand that access to the Treasury is necessary for entitled Liberals, but really, if they have already spent the $ 40 million they adscammed I think they need some financial counselling.

    Did Dion not say during the election that he would impose a Carbon Tax regardless of the economy?

  • T. Thwim

    Ah, bud, straight to the bad assumptions and ad hominems, I see.

    What would you have rather I said? The future form of the coalition? Some of us have to live in the now, I’m afraid.

    And though it’s no business of yours, I’m lucky enough to have considerable financial assets and no debt. I’m not quite living off interest alone yet, but it’s close (though admitted, it’s gotten worse over the last couple months). That’s why I can waste so much time hanging around places like this.

    So really, I’ll only benefit if Harper fails to help the economy, as any deflation that occurs I’ll be able to take advantage of.

  • http://kitchenersown.blogspot.com/ Lord Kitchener’s Own

    While we’re throwing quotes around, I find this one particularly poignant:

    When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid dissent is when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern.”

    Stephen Harper, April 18th, 2005

    And that was in response to the government simply moving an opposition day (like Harper did this week). Harper’s not only doing things he used to think were abhorrent, he’s TRUMPING things he used to think were abhorrent. He’ll see your “moving of an opposition day”, and raise you a “complete proroguing of Parliament”.

    Stephen Harper of 2008 would give Stephen Harper of 2005 an aneurysm.

  • sanityinjection

    T. Thwim: Your arguments are either deliberately disingenuous or betray a shocking naivete. You act as if MPs are children who believe every speech they hear. The point is not that Harper is honest or brave or any such nonsense. If Parliament rose up in open revolt every time a PM lied, the Liberal reign of terror under Chretien/Martin would have lasted about six seconds. The coalition’s move had nothing to with their dewy innocence being betrayed by the dastardly Harper, and everything to do with cold political calculation. What exactly will they have to do before you see them as what they are – politicians like everyone else, whose first thought is always for their own advancement.

  • sanityinjection

    Further, you cannot deny that the vote showed a preference for Harper as PM over Dion. If the coalition has its way, Dion is who they’ll get. That is inherently contradictory to the will of the voters.

  • Acer

    I love Liberal MP Jimmy K, btw.

  • Stephen

    MArtin lost on a money motion….usually considered a motion of confidence…..nonetheless he demonstrated later, within a day or two I believe…perhaps a week. nonetheless we all survived it.

    I am not saying the request to Prorogue after such a short session wasnt unprecendented or at a minimum extemely exceptional. But that isnt the issue. Heck the first time a Prime Minister puts a cabinet in place it is unprecendented…since that PM has never done it before.

    There is a hierarchy of things to be judged or maintained. Near the top of that list is the PM’s advice being accepted, not without question but at the end of the day the GG is not to substitute her judgement, especially in the Candian context…..honestly what is her qualification….she is an embodiment of an office. In the UK the Queen might have more sway, because of her length of experience, it is her full time job not a interesting second career. Its the office and the series of precedents and conventions that matter.

    I have said before she is not a machine but one of the last lines to be crossed would be refusal of advice. It amazes me that Canadians dont know how this important institution should and does work. You fully understand that her substituting her judgement on this matter would have been bigger deal.

    It was a two hour meeting, they didnt discuss the leaf game for that time. I bet she warned him about Quebec, where I think she has some ground to speak with expertise, I bet she warned him about ensuring he doesnt pull a fast one in terms of not being open to the oppsosition, she made him promise the budget happens first thing and that it is a confidence vote, and I bet she warned him that this agreement implies no future agreement on requests made of her related to this situation.

    But at the end of the two hours, her duty, in this situation, was to say Prorogue granted. In a different situation her duty might have been different……an example could be he had made the request before, he made no promises of returning the house, his party was crossing the floor yada yada…..those are truely exceptional circumstances that might lead her to refuse, but only after she had tried to convince him of other paths.

    Once again, his advice, he has to defend the decision. That is how it should be.

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