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by Colin Campbell on Friday, December 5, 2008 10:00am - 28 Comments

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Driving on the 401 yesterday I noticed a big bumper sticker that read “Buy American”. Based on the car it was pasted on—a mid-90’s green Pontiac—I was inclinded to think, no thanks. But for the first time in a long time, the message made a lot of sense.

While the heads of the Detroit automakers try to hammer out a last-second bailout in Washington, dealerships across the continent are desperately trying to sell cars. The industry is paralyzed, but for car shoppers, there has never been a better time in automotive history to buy a car, especially an American one. According to the CAW, the Detroit auto makers are offering anywhere from $3,000 to $7,000 in incentives on most models. In the U.S., Ford is offering as much as $4,000 cash back on its Edge crossover/SUV. In Canada, the Edge comes with zero percent financing, with the first two payments free. Today, Ford is advertising “$12,000 price adjustments on selected 2008 models.” And it’s not just the Detroit Three slashing prices. Double digit declines in sales have all automakers scrambling to move inventory. And ‘zero percent’ financing has become the industry’s new rally cry. Toyota’s “Saved By Zero” TV ad, for instance, has become infamous.

But more importantly, the American automakers are quite suddenly offering some very well-built and (dare I say) stylish cars. The Pontiac G8 was dubbed the new BMW by one influential auto blog (see below). Motor Trend named GM’s Cadillac CTS the 2008 Car of the Year. And along with the Chevy Malibu and Corvette, it was also in Car and Driver’s 10 Best Cars ranking. It would be a great loss (and an economic disaster) if even one of the Detroit companies fell. But if you’re thinking of buying a car, now’s the time.

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  • TobyornotToby

    How about if we collectively buy some buses built by New Flyer in Winnipeg? Or subway cars built at the Bombardier plant in Thunder Bay? Or if you want really stylish how about a hand made bicycle built in Toronto?

    Time to get over the car fetish.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    I agree that it’s good time to buy a vehicle but disagree about other aspects of this post. Are those American incentives or North American because they are not interchangeable. And US dealerships might be scrambling to sell cars but vehicle sales are up 0.5% in Canada so far this year compared to last.

    I also think there is an argument to be made that this time of trouble is necessary because too many cars were sold in the early to mid 2000′s and the sales numbers were entirely unsustainable.

  • TJ Cook

    TobyornotToby: great point.

    As I understand it, Harper’s free trade deal with the EU could prevent gov’t-owned entities like municipal transit authorities from favouring Canadian manufacturers. I’m no protectionist, but I’d rather see my tax dollars supporting jobs in Thunder Bay than, say, Poland.

    The truly frustrating thing about the potential collapse of the US auto makers is that – per the article above – I’m seriously considering a NA car for the first time in my life. If the Malibu offered a 5-speed, I’d take it over a Camry.

  • archangel

    jwl,

    Would I be mistaken about your proximity to the broader automobile industry? As a car aficionado, and a libertarian, what is your take on the proposed loans (bailout) for the auto big three? I take it you would oppose it on ideological grounds. So if the big three go bankrupt as they surely will, your livelihood might suffer greatly, no? Suppose you wind up having to rely on government assistance yourself? How would that influence your behaviour and beliefs?

    I am not being facetious here. I seriously wonder how people with strong leanings — away from the balanced stance — deal with events that make it impossible for that view to prevail.

    Sure, they could argue that the conundrum is the fault of the system they oppose, and had their system been in place, etc. But, would anyone buy that reasoning?

  • Ti-Guy

    This post brought to you by your local GM dealer.

    Look for the union label, comrades!

  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    TJ: I’m also seriously eyeing the Malibu myself. What’s wrong with the 6-speed automatic that’s optional on the ’09 model?

  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    Oh, and unfortunately I doubt they will be discounted much in Canada. They are selling well, it seems.

  • Jenn

    Yeah, I keep hearing this stuff. What a great time to buy! But I happen to be shopping for an automobile right now, and I’ve got to tell you, this news hasn’t gotten through to the dealerships.

    You would think, wouldn’t you, that car salesmen (and thus far I do mean men) would at least try to hide their contempt for lone women who appear on their car lot or send an email inquiry. Not so! I’d better say right now that I don’t mean every car salesman–I’ve found one who is perfectly nice and respectful.

    I tried to buy a brand new car for cash back in 1985. I actually COULDN’T do it. Unbelievably, they refused–all of them–to sit down with me. I had to bring my husband in to ‘negotiate’ for my car. And I will never do that again. I thought things had improved; I have purchased a car or two in the meantime. Mind you, they have turned me off so much this time that I’ve thus far not gotten to the point of wanting to sit down with anyone so I’m not saying I couldn’t negotiate a deal today.

    Oh yes, I should also say that these have all been North American cars I’m talking about. Simply because they have had models I’ve been interested in.

  • archangel

    Jenn,

    Same thing happens in non-North American car dealerships. They all seem to attract misogynists and misanthropists.

    Ever wonder why so many car dealers become Conservative/Reform candidates?

  • http://www.pencillogic.biz Beth McCracken

    For anybody who has a drug addict/gambler/alcoholic family member who is also a parent of small children know what its like to be held captive. Deny them anything and the child will suffer. The ‘pawn’ is the child and is played for maximum extortion purposes. This form of blackmail is how the Big 3 treat taxpayers. Why aren’t they hustling the oil companies? This con will work – its just aimed at the wrong patsy.

  • rumor

    Clearly the best time to buy a car is when the car manufacturer and the parts manufacturers are in peril of going bankrupt. That will be a car you can depend on for many years. Yes sir, indeed.

  • TJ Cook

    Andrew (not Potter or Coyne): “What’s wrong with the 6-speed automatic that’s optional on the ‘09 model?”

    Nothing, in fact it seemed to get good reviews. I just can’t bear to drive an automatic – a stick shift makes me feel all cool :)

  • Sisyphus

    Jenn – Your comment evokes a mental image of sitting across the dealers’ desk from Dean Del Mastro.

    I can almost feel your pain.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    archangel

    I think Detroit 3 should go into Chap 11 – fire senior management except for Mulally/Ford, rewrite UAW contracts and get rid of about half the brands the have now. I do have connections to auto industry and I see bankruptcy as short term pain for long term gain, which will help me over time.

    What people seem to miss is that Detroit 3 are hurting but foreign automakers who have plants in North America are doing ok. I think if Detroit 3 are bailed out and nothing changes than American car industry will be similar to UK’s experience and there won’t be an American car industry at all within a decade.

  • Sisyphus

    Thanks for the original thinking, jwl.

    I been watching the hearings on C-Span. ( CPAC is carrying it ).

    Interesting. They poured over $300B into banks and financial services – with nothing coming out the other end – without a thought of rewriting contracts for anyone from CEO to mail room boy.

    Blue collar guys and gals …. well, that’s different. Especially if they’re unionized guys and gals.

    With labour costs at 7% ( I’m told ) of new car cost, they could fire all employees and the situation would not change.

    Well, not strictly true. We all could could buy our new cars a bit cheaper because of the $2/hour Mexican labour costs – if the companies chose to pass on the saving.

    Except the current auto employees probably wouldn’t be able to afford them on the 40% of income or whatever EI is paying these days.

  • Sisyphus

    Oh, and the foreign auto makers are not – not – ” doing ok”. Toyota down 40% in sales.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    “Thanks for the original thinking, jwl.”

    Sisyphus

    I assume you are being snarky but not certain. I wrote fire senior mgmt and rewrite UAW contracts, I don’t think anyone working in the plants needs to be fired. I don’t think salary is the issue but benefits and other assorted added ons certainly are.

    Honda workers in Ohio are doing pretty well, getting paid the same as GM worker and are working. GM worker in Michigan is looking at unemployment or tax dollars of other hard working people need to be spent on the UAW worker. What’s better?

    One of the problems for the US automakers is Jobs Bank – person gets laid off – goes on EI for 44 weeks I believe it is and if they don’t find job during that time automaker who laid off employee has to pay the ex-employee 95% of final salary until they find employment.

    UAW asked for, and management agreed to, way too much. It is unsustainable and that’s where we are now. Rewrite contracts, pay levels stay the same or even increase a bit but benefits and the fiddly little rules unions like to impose need to be scaled back, and get them back to work. It is quite simple, really.

    And I agree with you about Wall St. I think it’s outrageous how red suspender brigade has got away with swindling people out of billions without a single person being punished.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    Sisyphus

    Foreign automakers sales are down, true, but so far all the Japanese automakers have had to do is reduce their profit estimates/expectations. On the other hand, Detroit 3 will be bankrupt within a few weeks if they don’t get tens of billions of dollars from other hard working people who don’t deserve to be punished either.

  • madeyoulook

    I’m no protectionist, but I’d rather see my tax dollars supporting jobs in Thunder Bay than, say, Poland.

    Wow, a contradiction in the very same sentence!

  • http://csriess@shaw.ca C. Riess

    Archangel,
    Didn’t Jack Layton used to be a car salesman in Toronto, before his foray into municipal politics?

  • Bob Toth

    Tbig Three auto makers problems are self made. They should ask the oil companies toassist in a bail they were in bed with these people lomg enough.

  • archangel

    jwl,

    Thank you for that. Personally, I’m torn. Your prescription seems reasonable and the people in charge have made some bad decisions historically. I worry though that the bankruptcy option might plunge the continent further into economic disaster. The financial sector bailouts might help the credit crisis but if probably millions (counting spin-off industries) lose employment — I shudder to contemplate the results.

    Propping them up (but with very stern conditions) might be the ONLY way to avert disaster.

  • archangel

    C. Reiss,

    I don’t know. But I found this from MapleLeafWeb fascinating:

    Layton, who comes from a long line of politicians and activists, was born in Montreal in 1950, but grew up in the small town of Hudson, Quebec. His grandfather, Gilbert Layton, was a cabinet minister in Quebec’s Union Nationale government during the 1930s; he eventually resigned his cabinet position in protest of his government’s opposition to conscription in World War II. His father, Robert Layton, was an activist in the Liberal Party of Canada during the 1960s and 1970s, before joining the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada in the 1980s. He was elected to the House of Commons in 1984 and served in the cabinet of Progressive Conservative Prime Minister Brian Mulroney.

    Oh, and I was joking about the car dealers. If it wasn’t funny, I apologize. You see, Don Rickles is my role model but I don’t have his sense of irony.

  • http://McLeans Tia

    I put an offer on a 2000 Corolla (estate sale) back in Aug only because it had 31,000 kms
    It hasn’t gone through yet and at that time was a good deal. I am not so sure anymore as it turned 9 this fall.
    Altho I live in small BC town – suddenly there are cars (mostly stick) flying out at real good prices (but where are they imported from? -
    from dealerships at 0% financing so one starts to think – hey 160 km warranty, new, etc. BUT
    my mind did wonder (as did someone on the blog) – what about after market parts and warranties if someone goes ‘down’. I still feel victimized by the late 80′s – and I remember my nice new New yorker 87
    blew a head gasket for no reason at all every 20,000 kms. and I joked it was the 7 million dollar car but it was not funny! When union workers are protected as they are – and not happy – what happen’s when they build that Monday or Friday Car. I think I am afraid to buy new.

  • peimac

    If massive amounts of cars and trucks being built are going unsold and rotting in holding lots; Does it make sense to continue producing them at a pace where supply could double demand? Downsizing and closures are essential if there’s to be a North American auto industry. Take a look around, how many different makes and models are there to choose from? Do we really need five choices of clones?
    Think long and hard about this, how many times can we bail them out? Or are they a product of days gone by?

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