Is the recession good for the environment? (and why Margaret Wente is wrong)

Could an economic recession actually be good for climate change? Such a thought strikes…

by Alex Shimo on Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:30pm - 32 Comments

Could an economic recession actually be good for climate change? Such a thought strikes fear into every moderate green’s heart, because if environmentalism is actually antithetical to the capitalist project, if it is incompatible with economic growth and our post-industrial, urbanized society, we might as well fry now and pay later. Reversing centuries of development, infrastructure, jobs, careers, education, the NHL and all the other twenty-first century essentials and luxuries is not going to happen any time soon.

Yet, the incompatibility of these two movements – environmentalism and growth – is often written about like it just one of sad little truths you have to live with. On Thursday of this week, Margaret Wente, wrote in The Globe and Mail:

“Even global warming has moved down the anxiety scale, but that’s okay, because the recession will slow down global warming more than all the carbon-trading schemes put together.”

Wente makes one of those breezy, glib comments that has a modicum of truth, but doesn’t get to the real heart of the issue. What she forgets is how the health of renewable electricity – whether wind energy, tidal power, solar panels or any other clean tech industry – is directly tied to the price of oil. Quite simply, when oil becomes less expensive, people don’t mind using more of it. There is less of an incentive to invest in alternatives and carbon neutral technologies. This is why the recession of the early 1990s was largely seen as a disaster for the clean tech industry. No one wanted to invest in things like concentrated solar power because oil was so cheap and plentiful throughout much of the 1990s. Consequently, the industry stagnated and there weren’t the efficiency gains we have seen in the past five years.

I should also note that an important part of Obama’s economic stimulus package rests on environmentalism fostering economic growth. On Monday, the President-elect explained how he thought acting on the environment could actually help grow the American economy (and ours too).

“We know that there are buildings—school buildings, in particular, but I think public buildings generally—that need to be retrofitted to make them more energy-efficient,” Obama said. “We will get that money back so that not only are we creating jobs, but we’re also making those operations more efficient and saving taxpayers money over the long term.”

In other words, “green-collar jobs”—jobs created when government policy encourages people to install solar panels or research wind power or “weatherize” homes—are an important part of his economic plan. He hopes they will stimulate the economy in the short term (by creating jobs) and tackle climate change in the long term, by reducing emissions and making us more energy-efficient.

Let’s hope he’s got it right.

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  • Clarence Seunarine

    Whenver it comes to the relationship between the environment and the economy Peggy Wente is wrong.

  • sf

    Yes, we know you liked the Green Shift, but Canadians didn’t, so move on.

    Cheap oil is not a bad thing. It means that driving our cars and heating our homes is less expensive, which reduces poverty and increases living standards. There’s nothing stopping people from installing solar panels, but if they cannot afford to pay the bills because electricity tripled in price when the greenies wrecked the energy industry with inefficient, unreliable and expensive solar and wind power, then that’s a problem.

    • Dan

      SF, I take it part of the point that those in favour of ‘green energy’ are making is that the current price of oil and similar fuels does not actually adequately represent their true cost. In particular, it doesn’t include the cost of their long-term impact on the environment (and our children, and children’s children). So your claim about ‘inefficient, unreliable and expensive solar and wind power’ would have to be assessed by considering the potentially greater costs that our current use of oil simply shifts to future generations. Yes, solar and wind may be more expensive than oil given how it is priced right now; but that may just be because you are considering only the costs on yourself, and not those imposed on others, i.e. the externalities associated with your use of oil.

      • sf

        “potentially greater costs that our current use of oil simply shifts to future generations”

        There are no such costs (global warming is a fraud).

        And not only that, covering the entire content with solar panels and windmills is likely not enough to replace oil, and there is a cost associated with that as well, in addition to the inefficiency produced by the variability of them both.

        Nuclear energy has some promise though.

  • macphear

    No sorry, the economic downturn means less profit for companies so there is less cash available for green refits to major industrial polluters they will be making do in the short-term with old technology.

  • Sisyphus

    There are vague predictions floating around out there about the “possibility” of oil dropping as low as $25/barrel next year.

    I honestly don’t know if that would be good or bad for greenhouse gasses but it would certainly increase the noise pollution level from Alberta.

  • http://worthwhile.typepad.com Stephen Gordon

    There are two things going on:

    - Income effects. As income slows, so does the demand for oil.
    - Price effects. As the price rises, the quantity demanded goes down.

    The income demand elasticity appears to be higher than the price elasticity, so yes, the net effect of a recession that lowers both income and prices is to reduce the demand for oil.

    Later on, when the recession is behind us, we’ll have to work on the price effect. Which means either a carbon tax or cap-and-trade; both will result in higher prices.

  • http://worthwhile.typepad.com Stephen Gordon
  • Critical Reasoning

    Sisyphus, what have you got against people from Alberta?

    • Sisyphus

      Nothing. I have a couple of dozen very good friends in Alberta. Some of them are actual native born Albertans. One of them is a real live petroleum geologist. And the thing is none of talk or think like the professional Albertans we , unfortunately , hear so much.

      • Critical Reasoning

        Thanks, Sisyphus. I agree that there is a big disconnect between the perception of Alberta and the reality.

        I am an actual native born Calgarian, so you’d think I’d have developed a thicker skin by now. However, it still bugs me when certain commenters trash Albertans as stupid rednecks (this is especially grating given that Alberta is the most highly educated jurisdiction in North America, in terms of the percentage of our population with post-secondary degrees).

        It also rankles me when people who know nothing about Alberta, economics or the oilsands call for the oilsands to be shut down, or gloat at the temporary dip in oil prices and its effect on our province. The oilsands are Canada’s single largest economic asset, so you’d think more people would understand that all Canadians benefit from Alberta’s success.

        • Patrick

          The oilsands are also Canada’s single largest environmental and ecological problem, so you’d think more people would understand that all Canadians suffer from Alberta’s success.

          • daPT27

            I do agree with patrick in some way. However,I read an article that says that it only contributed for some 5-10% (correct me if i’m wrong) of the total Canadian polution. And its NOT THE SINGLE POLLUTER OF CANADA… Do you think the provincial government will give environmental permits or whatever permits to these companies if they will not adhere to the strict guideliness of the environmental consultants to sequester and reclaim and in the future restore the land they had plowed upon? And also, it says that coal powerplants contributed more pollution than these oilsands development. Just my two cents.

          • Patrick

            The issue with the oilsands goes way beyond pollution emissions daPT27, which is why I included ecological. Look at the land that is being torn up for the development… think of the ridiculous amounts of chemicals, carcinogens that are being slipped under the carpet, species losing their habitats and dying off, fertile land being turned into waste, pollutants seeping into the water table. It is a disaster. Hey! But we’re making money right?

  • TJ Cook

    Alexandra – I’ve found the following rule of thumb to be a real time-saver: Margaret Wente is wrong because it’s a day of the week and she’s Margaret Wente.

  • Gabe

    As I see it, it’s not that environmentalism is necessarily “antithetical to the capitalist project.” It’s that the specific variety of capitalism currently practiced (i.e. high fossil-fuel consumption to sustain high material production) is indeed antithetical to the goal of reducing carbon emissions. Wente’s basic claim that lower growth (as we now measure it) means lower carbon emissions — I can’t believe I’m agreeing with her — is right. Just look at some of the leading jurisdictions in terms of emissions reductions… Germany’s reductions, for example, have as much (or more) to do with the German economy’s drastic decline following the fall of communism (don’t forget that Kyoto baselines are 1990, the same year the wall fell) as any green roof or solar panel they’ve so laudably installed. Same goes for Eastern Europe. See UNFCCC figures.

    The trick (or more accurately, the puzzle) is to de-couple the consumption of fossil-fuel-based energy sources and economic growth. Whether this is best accomplished via regulation (forced restructuring), market mechanisms (e.g. carbon taxes, cap-and-trade systems, to at least level the playing field between carbon-intensive production processes and renewables via incentives), or by simply changing how we measure economic growth to something that more accurately reflects “green” growth (there are alternative measures available, we just choose not to use them), is open to discussion. But let’s not kid ourselves in thinking that economic growth as we now know it and carbon reductions go hand in hand.

    • daPT27

      actually germany slowed carbon emissions through abandoning coal fired power plants

  • JMD

    It must already be working. The global economy has slowed and it is colder and snowier all over the world. (“Climate change” of course, is alarmist correct speak for “global warming”, it being silly to speak of warming when there isn’t any and hasn’t been any for a decade.)

    • daPT27

      Just my two cents… climate change in relation to global warming. How? I’m not an environmental scientist or whatsover but I believe global warming affect the earth’s sea currents (changing its salinity or whatever) thus producing weather patterns that are chart-topping, record-breaking temperatures and environmental disasters in every part in the world. It could be increased flooding in Bangladesh, very hot and dry in California, or winter freeze in Canada. I think it’s not necessary feeling of warmth that we’re seeing here. (maybe i watch too many sci-fi movies)

    • Patrick

      lol do you realize that a decade is nothing in terms of the temporal scale we are dealing with? Global warming isn’t about… oh November 27 2008 was colder than November 27, 2008 so there’s no such thing. Its about the ice caps melting… SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THIS OCCURING. So temperatures within this decade haven’t been rising, but this decade is relatively warmer than any decade before, and has been rising consistently over the decades.

      • JMD

        Yes, it was warmer during the decades of the 1980s and 1990s. Before then it was cooler for about 30 years, before then warmer, before then cooler. Now it is cooling time again. There is a pattern here and it has nothing to do with humans. The temperature oscillations between warmer and cooler in the last ceutrury were totally within historical norms. So just what is everyone so excited about?

        James A. Peden, atmospheric physicist formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, has a most concise take on gloal warming: Said he: “The Great Global Warming Hoax appears to be a collaborative effort between the world’s incompetent scientists and the world’s scientifically illiterate journalists.”

        • Patrick

          “Surface temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer over the last 10 years than any time during the last 1300 years, according to researchers at Penn State’s Earth System Science Center and three other U.S. universities.

          And, if the climate scientists include the somewhat controversial data derived from tree-ring records, they say that warming is greater from 1998 to the present than at any time for at least 1700 years.”

          And I could also source a whole bunch of textbooks that cost me a whole bunch of money for all my environmental science classes and ecology classes at university. All full of neat graphs and charts showing a growing trend of warmer temperatures over the decades and centuries.

          But hey, you know what, lets all believe that this is just a hoax, because in the end, having a greener, healthier, less polluted, safer and more beautiful planet for our generation and the next few, well that’s not too important.

          I guess I never understood why people even argue, “well global warming isn’t actually happening”, because my main point isn’t that it necessarily is, but that even if it isn’t, we’ll be better off living in a world that respects its environment, while being more efficient, lest wasteful and healthier. Is that really so terrible of a thing? I suppose if global warming is just a hoax, we can just all just go back to draining the world supply of oil, polluting our environment ridiculously and ridding the world of biodiversity.

          • sf

            I don’t know what textbooks you are buying, but they’re not worth much. Because any honest textbook would reveal that the Medieval Warm Period was much warmer, and that the last 8 years have been cooling, and historically speaking there is nothing unusual about temperatures today.

            Heck, if you want to go back to living in caves, so be it, but don’t drag the rest of us with you.

            There are lots of environmental problems that are truly worthy of attention, why don’t you focus on saving the Northern Right Whales, the Siberian tigers or the Mountain Gorillas.

          • JMD

            Surface temperature readings are notoriously unreliable. They are contaminated by such things as urban heat island effects, badly placed recording sites (beside asphalt parking lots, near A-C exhausts to name a few — visit Watt’s Up With That web site) and the loss of several recording stations in Siberia when the Soviet Union imploded. More reliable are satellite readings which show no increase in temps in the last decade and a slight coling since 2002 (University of Alabama at Huntsville).

            The agenda-driven warmies make their case with fudged computer climate models (Play Station science) and contaminated surface temperature readings. The skeptics make their case with real observed data and research into the earth’s past that shows this planet had a history of dramatic swings between warm and cold long before factories and SUVs. I know who I believe.

          • Patrick

            read a little lower and you’ll see it isn’t only surface temperatures but also atmospheric temperatures.

  • Patrick

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipcc2007/fig614.html

    Sorry sf? What were you talking about? oh… and the last 8 years? ya… once again, maybe you should look outside your temporal scale because 8 years is nothing… and i’m fairly sure i’ve just sourced two documents. what do you have? oh nothing.

    “global atmospheric temperature has increased at least 0.5C in the last 100 years… Although short-term temperature trends temperature trends on the order of 50 or 100 years generally have little meaning with respect to global-scale warming, it is curious to note that studies of global temperature records dating from the late 1800s indicate that the 1980s and 1990s were the warmest two decades on record.” William M. Marsh, Environmental Geography.

    Oh and according to Botkin (professor emeritus department of ecology university of California), Keller (professor of environmental studies and geological sciences university of California) and Heathcote (faculty of environmental sciences and school of engineering university of Guelph)… “the 1990′s were the warmest decade in the 142 years since temperatures have been recorded and in the last 1000 years, according to geologic data.” “The ten warmest years have all occurred since the 1990s and the five warmest since 1997.”

    You want more – I got more.

    It has nothing to do about living in caves, which shows exactly how ignorant you are. Its about changing peoples lifestyles or at least changing the way they think about the kind of way they live their life. I’m not saying we should all become hunters and gatherers but, we should already be using more efficient alternatives to oil. There’s is a higher initial cost to implement things like photovoltaic cells, wind turbines, geothermal, whatever have you, but in the end companies that choose do so, save. Its all about thinking about the future, investing in the technology, research new methods, planning for the long run rather than thinking about the cheap, quick buck.

    Unfortunately people like you drag everyone behind lightyears.

    • Chris

      Patrick,

      Although your points are valid and I have been to several lectures teaching that “philosophy” side of global warming which were very convincing, I would like you to research farther in the past that a few hundred years. Global warming is cyclical and has been occurring for millions of years. I will not take the time to quote several hundred people; it is up to you to do further research.

      I will however agree with the idea of using our resources more efficiently and that there are alternative sources of energy that should be pursued. Unfortunately for all of us almost everything we use has been made directly or indirectly from petroleum and therefore we are dependent on it. Even the computer that we use to converse is made of plastics, which come from petroleum products.

      • Patrick

        I completely agree that there have been warmer periods than normal long ago (past 100 years from today)… such as the Medieval Warm period. The difference with this period however, is the rate at which it is happening, and how recent years have proven to be warmer than the Medieval warm period. Also, what is different about this period is the evidence that humans could very well be a part of the problem in terms of CO2 emissions and deforestation. I’m sure a rapid growth rate of population isn’t helping either. So to just lay back and say… oh well its all a natural cycle anyways is hardly an option.

        I think everyone can agree on being more efficient with our resources.

        Creative ways for dealing with plastic products, especially electronics, are being used in countries like Germany and throughout Europe. Instead of purchasing a television, and having it for 10-15 years (when we need a new one) they are being rented out, once it has reached its end of life, the company takes it back and recycles its parts to use in newer models.

  • Patrick

    “Nuclear energy has some promise though.”

    Because we all know what to do with the waste.

  • Jarrid

    People interested in informing themselves on climate change should visit Climatedebatedaily.com.

    It links to articles the world over both pro and con on the global warming issue. Those that their minds made up don’t need to go there but for those who are still of an open mind it’s a great site.

  • http://www.truemuse.wordpress.com truemuse

    The garbage that would be created by massive retrofits is something to consider. For instance, I have a cat carrier that is 20 years old. My old cat died, now my new cat looks a little too shiny for that old carrier. Yet the environmentalist in me will use the same big plastic cat carrier for another 20 years. The true social movement, that will create a recession for sure, but will stall global warming as assuredly, will be the one where new consumer goods are rare. No need to ship new goods anywhere cause people will only use things that are obviously pre-owned. People will attach labels to anything that looks new, labels that explain why they own something new. People won’t travel to stores, they will shop in their neighbours homes. The curbsides of North America will become mini recycle stations. Recycling will not be shipped anywhere to process, it will be dealt with 500 yards from the discard point.

  • http://www.macleansfordummies.wordpress.com Maclean’s for Dummies

    Wanking off to Wente. I like to read Margaret Wente alot more than I like to read Alexandra Shimo, junior editor. Yet the fact that Shimo is spouting off tells me that Margaret is having a hard time in some circles. I wonder why? Shame. She’s as good as any journalist here at Macleans. She has the same flaws.

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