Pick your poison: inflation or deflation?

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by Duncan Hood on Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:06pm - 26 Comments

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Back in early August, before the market collapsed and the economy tumbled after it, I wrote a piece for Maclean’s called “There will be pain” that gravely forecast that Canada was in real danger of developing an inflation problem. Boy was I wrong. Now, of course, consumers have stopped buying and everyone is worried about the exact opposite, deflation, which would see prices spiralling down and taking corporate profits with them.

That raises a serious question: Am I an idiot?

I prefer to think not. And I’ll haul out that timeless punditry excuse in my defence: My prediction wasn’t wrong, I was just off on the timing.

I still think that the U.S. and Canada will develop an inflation problem, in fact I now think it will be much worse. It’s just that it’s going to take a year or so before we get there. And on Tuesday I got some backup from some heavy-duty artillery in the financial pundit world.

Martin Wolf, associate editor and chief economics commentator at the Financial Times of London, also thinks that today’s deflation problem could quickly turn into a huge inflation problem. As he points out in his latest column (registration may be required) the two are actually pretty closely related, as both are side effects of an unstable economy. I like to think of it this way: When everything is steady, you keep standing upright, but when you’re thrown off balance, you’re as likely to fall forward as backward.

Anyway, as he writes, deflation is easy to cure. You just keep the money presses rolling — which is exactly what the U.S. is doing now. The more there is of something, the less it’s worth, and that applies to the almighty American greenback too. The problem is, once you’re cured the deflation problem, “the central bank will need to sell assets into the market, to mop up the excess money it has created in fighting deflation…. Otherwise, deflationary expectations may swiftly turn into expectations of above-target inflation.”

That’s why I’m dead set against all of the huge bailouts we’re seeing. They’re just prompting us to print more and more money, and we will pay the price for that, eventually. We’re not curing the problem, we’re just replacing one crisis with another. As Wolf writes, “the result will ultimately not be deflation but unexpectedly high inflation, though probably many years hence.”

What do you think?

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  • http://worthwhile.typepad.com Stephen Gordon

    There are worse things than inflation. And we may see some of them.

  • Geiseric the Lame

    “deflation is easy to cure”

    The world of high finance might like to think so but unless ramming it down everyone’s throats is part of the plan I’m not sure its really that simple. They’re called bubbles for a reason.

  • http://liberty.pacificresearch.org/press/hayek-tells-bill-buckley-that-even-keynes-was-afraid-of-the-keynesians Steve Wart

    In order to prevent widespread unemployment in Canada and the US the government will either need to lower nominal wages (deflation) or raise prices (inflation).

    We are all overpaid by global standards. As China and India become part of the global economy we are going to have to suck it up one way or another.

    The first option won’t be popular, so the powers that be are going down the inflationary route. They may claim otherwise, but it’s a deliberate policy.

    If you know that in advance, what can you do to protect yourself?

    Discuss.

  • Sisyphus

    Uncharted waters. I know people talk about precedents in Japan or Sweden. But they were single nations with serious problems largely confined within their own borders.

    With this much paper being thrown around it’s logical to expect an explosion of inflation at some point. It’s difficult to see that as a good thing. And if a slug like me can see that I’m sure Mr. Bernanke can.

    What’s truly scary is that he sees the current situation as a problem that this is a solution for. I can’t argue with him. A lot of people are. But most of them sound as though they know when the problem is coming to an end. I don’t think anyone knows that.

  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    Steve: it’s not rocket science. If you’re worried about deflation, you hold cash. If you’re worried about inflation, you borrow like mad and buy assets.

    • madeyoulook

      Assets like these hundreds of Chevy Cobalts Jack Mitchell has to unload. Oh, wait…

    • Geiseric the Lame

      one more reason to expect industry to hitch the horses to the inflation wagon

  • http://liberty.pacificresearch.org/press/hayek-tells-bill-buckley-that-even-keynes-was-afraid-of-the-keynesians Steve Wart

    Andrew, yeah. Unfortunately I’m not the borrowing type. I guess I’m screwed. Remember me when you’re driving that new Lexus around.

  • Sisyphus
  • http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/new-york-times-story-pulls-punches-on.html Steve Wart

    Sisyphus: indeed, that is one perspective. In a nutshell then, it could all go really badly, but it might not, if we are somehow ‘careful’ — that doesn’t bode well. Why are academics so infuriatingly optimistic about the government’s (or anyone’s) ability to execute a really complex plan effectively?

    Part of the reason Obama is pulling back is it’s just too much to do. The Fed literally doesn’t have the people to do all this wonderful stuff for everyone. It’s just going to get screwed up due to lack of appropriate oversight and involvement.

    Here is another perspective: /www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/new-york-times-story-pulls-punches-on.html

    There is no difference between the Ponzi scheme perpetrated by Madoff and the crimes of the legitimate Wall Street crowd (and for that matter the government itself)

    /ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2008/12/18/50596/ponzi-the-usa-edition/

    The Ponzi scheme must go on, at any cost.

    • Sisyphus

      C’mon now, Steve. At least the guy proposes that budgets are necessary. Probably.

      But, anyway, I get to provide one link.

      You get to provide two. Is that because neither one is embedded ?
      Or is it because fiscal conservatives can’t make anything work ?

      A puzzlement.

      • http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/new-york-times-story-pulls-punches-on.html Steve Wart

        Oh it was just some stuff that set me off this morning and it seemed to sort of fit the conversation. If it’s any consolation it’s a highly abbreviated portion of long IM exchange I had this morning with a rabid libertarian socialist friend.

        I’m losing all my reference points anyhow. Now it seems to me what we used to call the left is defending the status quo ruling elite and those of us who thought we were on the right want to put all the bankers in jail. So much for the niceties of court life in the middle ages.

        All in lieu of getting any actual work done. Honestly, if I’m true to my fiscally conservative principles, you’d think I could get an honest day’s work in.

        • Sisyphus

          Reference points ? Ha ! I’m a committed leftie. The only thing we both know for sure is that a lot of people we both care about are going to get the crap stomped out of them without ever knowing why.

          Get some rest.

          • Steve Wart

            Hey Sisyphus, thanks for the advice. I feel much better now.

            It’s refreshing to meet a committed Marxist these days. Most ideologues I know swing a bit differently, if you know what I mean.

            I am a victim of my upbringing, and in spite of the ossification of my brain, I try to keep an open mind. You know what they say, all options are on the table.

      • Steve Wart

        OTOH if you’re talking about why my links don’t “link” it’s because I deliberately delete the bit that makes them link. Seems that the stuff I post often gets held up in moderation indefinitely. Can’t imagine why :)

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    I think inflation is going to come but no idea when. We were experiencing inflation a few months ago, food prices went way up around the world, but when Paulson plan/crisis was announced everyone put their money into US $$$ and reduced inflation rates.

    So right now, US $$$ is number one currency for investors, which will keep inflation at bay, but only so long as investors keep their money in US $$$. Wait until investors start moving their money around again and then inflation is going through the roof with all the money the Fed is printing at the moment.

  • Sisyphus

    Ah, Steve. Your reference points are really wobbly. Leftie does not necessarily = Marxist.

    But glad you’re feeling better.

  • Stephen

    Interest rates have been low for some time. SO I dont think your original prediction was wrong. I still think we are going to get inflation and it will come on very very quickly. Now the odd thing about expectations is if eveyone is expecting it and it doesnt happen then get a boom like you got in mid 90′s.

    Problem becomes when it works the other way, when you get surprise inflation, then you get unemployment like you got in the 70′s.

    Problem is, with all this government debt the US government needs some inflation to pare down its real value.

    On the other hand (not to sound like an economist) you have China with a pegged to US currency that they are determined to keep low. The Chinese are saying, I have a labour force I am not afraid to use it…in fact I am afraid of not using it. The Chinese, and to a lesswer degree the Germans, are continuing concentrate manufacturing in theior home countries through deliberate policies of export and discouraging domestic demand. The Chinese production capacity/overcapacity…is what may keep consumer goods cheap but yet drive costs up on commodities or other inputs (oil, food, steel, chemicals and metals)

    The battle between these forces is what is and will be played out over the next few years. The Chinese need to let their currency rise in value, benfit is their domestic poulation is better off and will in turn fuel more domestic demand. Problem is it cuts their exports, which represent approximately 10% of their GDP, if not more right now (Yes it is amazing how many plastic toys that represents)

    If they dont then we have a real problem, the current acocunt imbalance with the US will get worse and worse…US demand will completely dry up, assuming there arent barriers erected first, and demand for chinese products disappears and the Chinese have their unemployment problem anyway, except not at a time of their choosing.

    All very ugly and too many scenarios that can end in tears. US inflation, assuming it is allowed to happen will be the way out for the US, of its debt problem. It may also be the match that lights the fire.

  • sf

    I think Duncan is correct, these bailouts may indeed do some serious damage to the economy, but think the 0% fed rate is worse. When the lending rate is lower than the inflation rate, you are effectively paying people to take your money, and that is not a good thing, that causes damage to an economy.

  • http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com Jay Currie

    As to evidence: CIBC is conducting broad screen credit reviews on its line of credit customers and calling in the lines where the customers have even a blemish. A pal’s wife just got hit with a $9000.00 call. Not at all pretty.

    (And really not very clever business…it might have made sense to actually have a manager get in touch with her and express the concern and the need to hasten repayment. Or cut it back to 6K. Now what they have is either a bankruptcy or a really pissed off spouse with a blog and a online radio show. Nice work bank.)

  • Richard (old retired soldier)

    Inflation, deflation, stagflation! As my oriental neighbor says, “It’s just one thamn ding after another!”

    Try to control the market all you want: raise interest rates to keep inflation below 3%; lower them to keep it above 1%. Keep manipulating potentially mild recessions into minor corrections; make credit ridiculously easy to get; and eventually old mother market will holler, “Enough!”, give you a smack up the side of the head, and do what you should have let her do all along! Only problem is that it appears to be cumulative – all those little things gathered up into one giant, explosive correction.

    If prices want to go up, let them. When they get too high, people will have to stop buying, and they will have to come down. Don’t borrow any more than you can afford to pay back. And above all remember, incoming artillery has the right of way!

    At least that’s how I see it from my foxhole.

  • Leif

    The amazing thing about economics is our expectation that we can predict what a large mass of people are going to do. But the bureaucrats that are trying to control the direction the masses want to go throw some strange idiot syncracies into the works, kind of like a wrench into a turbine, and eventually the mess explodes in totally unexpected ways.

    Everyone has been trying to help the poor down trodden masses to afford the home they have a right to, or a car or whatever. The instant gratification reflex of our modern society. Interest free loans with no down payment which will escalate , but that is all right because everyone knows values will continue to climb for ever. We’ll pay it back out of the future value of the asset.

    Then the piper come to get paid and every one panics and stops buying, cause we need every nicle of spare cash available to pay back the bankers for the loans thy never should have given us.

    Shade of the past. No matter how many times the cycle repeats itself, we always forget to learn our lessons.

    Everyone can not have everything they want.

  • http://www.nazisociopaths.org Bill Ross

    FM = Financial Manipulators

    A) I think we will first have deflation ( FM’s have withheld liquidity) to allow FM’s to pick up distressed property for pennies on dollar.

    B) Then, we will have hyperinflation since foolish governments will try to monetize (print massive amounts of currency) the stimulus required to compensate for crime “A”

    C) Then, we will have massive currency devaluation/collapse, taking us back to “A”

    This is a small aspect of the eternal war between the productive and unproductive. To the degree that the productive are losing (now), civilization (the rules by which we cooperate for MUTUAL self-interest) collapses.

    Easily Proven:

    http://www.nazisociopaths.org/modules/article/view.article.php/c1/32

    Bill Ross
    (Electronics Design Engineer)

  • Ken L

    Instead of throughing billions at industry, why not give every Canadian, all 33 odd million of us, each 1 million dollars, tax free. That cost only 33 million and there would be consumer spending like we have never seen before. Mortgates would be cleared, new cars and houses bought, and the economy would take off. What about giving the tax payer’s money back to the tax payers, instead? Too bad logic doesn’t prevail.

  • http://freecanadacreditreport.ca J. Gene

    Not saying I agree with the bailouts that have taken place, but here we are a year later and …. no inflation. I think the credit crunch has contributed to this in a way that we probably didn't expect, and there have been other factors. Eventually, I think the economy will adjust itself, in spite of the government's efforts to manipulate short-term solutions.

  • http://www.amwayglobal.com/bizness4u Stephen

    In my opinion, the best way to overcome inflation are:

    1) Start earning, save and spend on what you need.
    2) Earn a bit more, start spending a bit more
    3) Earn even more, spending even more
    4) Grab the bigger piece of cake not only locally but globally and then start spending, spending…. like no body business

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