One drawback to the whole announce-an-inquiry/investigation-(public- or-otherwise)-to-push-a-scandal- onto-the-backburner strategy of damage control. . .

by kadyomalley on Sunday, January 4, 2009 1:07pm - 128 Comments

Eventually, a nosy reporter with time (and column inches) to fill during the Christmas-to-New-Year’s news holiday may start asking annoying questions about why it still hasn’t gotten underway, which will lead to the revelation that nearly four months later, the government hasn’t even appointed a lead investigator for its promised probe into last summer’s listeriosis outbreak.

(Speaking of news holidays, and holidays in general – as of tomorrow morning, ITQ will be back on the job.)

UPDATE: Colleague Wells explains how this sort of dithering might give observers the distinct impression that Canada currently has “no coherent government.”

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  • A.Political

    I’m eating thinly shaved slices of turkey, excellent quality luncheon meat from a great Canadian company who only has Canadians interests at heart….the only inquiry that’s needed is to measure how much Stephen Harper loves us all….

    …huh, what? oh ok…sorry….don’t lay it on so thick? You mean the meat? Oh the BS! wait am I typing this right now…

  • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

    I was trying to figure out why the whole question of independent investigators vs. commissions of inquiry vis a vis subpoena powers kept tickling my memory, and finally figured it out: the Brown Report into the RCMP pension scandal. He, too, was an “independent investigator” and concerns were raised over whether he would be able to do his job without being able to compel documents or testimony. According to Brown himself, who testified before the Public Accounts committee, those concerns turned out to be unfounded; he got everything that he requested, although as David Christopherson pointed out at the same meeting, he didn’t end up adding much to the body of knowledge already assembled by the committee, which does, of course, have the power to compel witnesses and the production of documents. If the PM’s independent investigation into the outbreak doesn’t get underway soon, perhaps the Agriculture and Agri-food committee can hold its own hearings into the events of last summer.

    • Mike T.

      I hear the conservatives have Sam Goldstein in waiting, just in case a committee steps out of line and gets too close to the truth…

      • Paul Wells

        Well, the way things have been going around here, it’s touch and go whether the Ag/Ag committee, or any other, will sit before March.

        • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

          Who wants to bet that I’ll be liveblogging at least *one* committee by February 23? C’mon, give a jonesing parliamentary junkie some hope to hang her Hill pass on!

    • A.Political

      I’m sorry to inform you that the Agriculture and Agri-food committee will be eliminated in the upcoming budget.

      This is for the fiscal health of Canada and nothing else, nothing to see here move along.

    • madeyoulook

      Twenty deaths, right? Is there not a single coroner’s report forthcoming? Is there any reasonable expectation that any additional inquiry would offer additional value?

      • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

        Well, as you’ve pointed out upthread (or possibly over at Wells’ place; I’m starting to lose track what with trying to follow this thread while simultaneously watching the 48 Hours Mystery marathon on TLC), Maple Leaf has launched an aggressive post-outbreak PR campaign in an effort to restore its corporate reputation, but it might be interesting to compare that to the response of the various government agencies that were involved before, during and after the outbreak – the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Agriculture and Agri-food Canada, and any other departments and/or agencies with responsibility for food safety/public health.

        • madeyoulook

          Oh, Kady, I trust you would be prepared to accept they have done more than PR.

          But that still brings me back to the coroner. Due respect to your date-squares, I would have far more interest in the deliberations of a coroner with actual health sciences expertise than any sausage a parliamentary committee might grind out.

          • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

            Sorry, you’re right – that was a poor choice of words; I didn’t mean to suggest that it was nothing but an exercise in crafty public relations. A coroner inquiry would be interesting, but I believe it would have to take place under provincial, not federal jurisdiction, which could make it tricky to put together a comprehensive report. Why not appoint a retired coroner as lead investigator?

          • Mike T.

            Do you believe that the deaths did not occur from listerosis?

            I suspect you have no idea what a coroner actually does, and are typing because you like typing.

          • kody

            I’m going to go out on a huge limb here.

            This will sound insane, I know, but bear with me.

            The tainted food will not be found to have come from some Harper led conspiracy to inject poison into our food (I know, I know hard to believe, but work with me here),

            but rather…………..pause for dramatic effect………………

            a single small container was likely infected (or something similar) and passed onto the food which was stored in it. It will be found to be isolated and not part of some systemic problem.

            This being an isolated case, to a single company to a single point in time (yes it was drastic during the occurance), makes it a near certainty, that it is isolated.

            Most Canadians have figured that out already.

          • madeyoulook

            Kady, I believe a provincially-mandated coroner has every opportunity to evaluate federal law and procedures and offer recommendations. And if Maple Leaf or the feds fail to cooperate with a coroner, I have no doubt we would all hear about that.

            Mike T, I fear you are confusing a pathologist doing an autopsy with a coroner doing an inquest. May I suggest you take the opportunity to explore the distinction.

          • Mike T.

            Turns out the chief cornoer could issue an investigation in a matter like this.

            MYL is right, I am wrong – and I made it worse by being scronful. Hell has frozen over.

          • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

            It’s actually not a bad idea at all – but it doesn’t negate the fact that the PM promised an independent investigation, and has thus far failed to appoint a lead investigator, although my guess is that now that the story is out there, there will be someone in place by the end of the week — and since there is no limit on how much time has lapsed between a death and the calling of an inquest, there would be nothing stopping the Chief Coroner of Ontario from conducting his own investigation after the federal probe has concluded, should he feel that it is warranted.

    • Dot

      There is a difference , ITQ, in budget, protocol, laws. You are spinning. “Inquiry” is not interchangeable with “Investigation” within the context of which you blog. And different again than a trial as Chuck Guity and others can attest to.

      • Dot

        Guite (accent aigu somewhere on my keyboard)

      • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

        I don’t think I’ve disagreed with you on that point, nor have I suggested that this is a commission of inquiry, a judicial inquiry, a task force, an advisory panel or anything else; I’m not “spinning” anything; and finally, I’m done with this tangent.

        • Dot

          Looks more like a secant to me.

  • kody

    “shut him up”

    My goodness, the “progressive” hornets here are sure swarming the nest today, against the lone interloper.

    Now excuse me while I blow some calming smoke at the nest:

    Big government can solve our problems.

    Harper is hiding something. I’m not sure what it is, but it’s “hidden” and when we finally find it (I’m estimating in 2015) it will prove the rants here justified. We know it must be eeeevil, because he’s a conservative, and they are evil.

    Bush is like Hitler, except with a southern accent.

    Obama will save the world. He will reverse the trend of radical Islamic ideology because it was never a deep seated ideolgy with its roots of wahabism in Egypt, but rather born out of the fact that Amerca was not “nice” and Obama is “nice”, so they will now like America.

    A Big oil company is not just an inanimate entity, being the aggregate of shareholders owning assets that produce a product that our society demands, but is an eeeevil by-product of neo conservatism that we should hate as much as “neo conservatism”. We’re not sure of the hated link, but we know Bush comes from Texas and was involved in oil, so that’s good enough for us.

    There.

    That should calm things down a bit.

    • A.Political

      Actually Conservatism at it’s foundation is not evil at all, neither is Liberalism.

      Harper is just inept and blinded by partisanship…he’s gotten this far through tyrannical control of his own party and muzzling them all, he leads with fear. The press has pretty much given him a pass, minus some stories maybe in the Star on occasion, but heck they just hired Buchanan so who knows.

      Bush is even worse than inept, but that’s another story.

      Your trivialization of this incident, rogue corporatism that is at odds with the greater good and middle-eastern politics only shows you to be out-of-touch with reality, or unwilling to face it. But that’s a psychology course’s worth of content on how individuals who are afraid gravitate towards a leader like Harper…so I’ll leave it at that.

  • kody

    “rogue corparatism”

    You mean the same rogueness that produced millions of tons of meat to millions of customers for decades and decades without incident.

    Or the rogueness that provided returns to shareholders (perhaps even your aunt, or granny [in the form of a portion of mutual fund or pension] …gasp, aunti may be involved in this rogueness!!!????

    Or the rogueness that employed thousands over the decades, providing steady jobs and income for their families?

    Oh what a wonderful world we would be without such corporations, living on idyllic government collectives, working two hour days in our government controlled paradise, with goods and services provided by the state (of a far superior quality no doubt, and for free!!).

    • A.Political

      To engage you in debate is obviously a waste of time given you response.

      So I’ll let your previous comment stand on it’s merits…with the one caveat, I’m a Progressive Conservative with a social conscience and not some commune loving DFH…sorry to blow your comfy little pigeon-holed world out of the water, but I hear Big Daddy will be giving a fireside chat soon laced with inflammatory tough talk which will soothe your nerves and embolden you against all the commies out there trying to socialize your world.

  • kody

    A. Policital,

    I’m sorry, I presumed there was some predosposition on your part against corporations given that you’ve already attributed fault the the “corporation” on some level reaching malice,

    without providing any specifics.

    Please clarify the information you have causing you to ascribe such weighty fault against Maple Leaf foods, that would justify your charge?

  • Liz

    December 31, 2008 the Montreal Gazette in a story titled His Year of Living Arrogantly tells why there will be no probe or investigation, and why there will be no documents.

    http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/features/viewpoints/story.html?id=cc708a08-8eca-4495-956f-ef062f9039c8

    Canadians will learn nothing about why 20 Canadians died for eating lunch before the next election and possibly ever. Khanned again!

    • kody

      They died because they caught an illness. It appeared to be isolated to a single source from a company that had served millions of Canadians and will continue to do so for decades.

      This one came from food (as many do).

      Others are airborne (as many are).

      What sort of vast government conspiracy are you hoping to uncover? That Harper secretly ordered the disease into the food supply?

      • Liz

        Janet Bagnall says it best in “His Year of Living Arrograntly”:

        ‘One of the most serious reversals concerns Canadians’ access to information about the workings of their own government and its various regulatory and oversight bodies.

        A listeriosis outbreak this summer at a Maple Leaf Foods packaging plant in Toronto was linked to 20 deaths and 53 additional cases of poisoning.

        If ever there was a case in which Canadians have a clear interest in finding out what went so badly wrong with their food- inspection process, this is it. Yet, according to CBC News, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency is withholding files about its handling of the outbreak. The agency is claiming there are too many requests for information, CBC said, and is seeking to delay releasing its records for another year.

        Canadians cannot turn to the country’s Access to Information Law for help. This fall, a report by a member of the Canadian Association of Journalists found that federal delays in responding to requests for information were at a “crisis level.” ‘

      • mtl_dude

        kody you seem to be pretty blasé about 20 fatalities. One would think an investigation or inquiry would review the overall food inspection system and processes to establish whether there are any specific causes that would have led to the outbreak spreading into the food supply . . . not just limited to Maple Leaf, or even to packaged meat manufacturers. It is even conceivable that investigation may determine that differently applied regulations, perhaps lighter in some aspects, might prevent recurrence.

        Suggesting as you did that the case appears to be isolated sounds like a very blinkered attitude. If the 20 fatalities were, say, a plane crash, would you be satisfied with a simple company investigation? “oops, our bad, we’ve fixed things so it won’t happen again” . . . that would hardly address the need to take all reasonable efforts to find the root cause and eliminate it, including data sharinng with other enterprises in the same field.

        At the very least, an investigation should be part of the governments efforts to undertake continuous improvement, as we are familiar with in the private sector.

      • Joseph

        We all know it was the result of the hidden agenda of Stephen Harper, George W. Bush and probably Bill O’Reilly. We need to “get to the bottom ” of this tragedy and prove Harper was involved. Appoint an Investigator NOW/

        • Ti-Guy

          You can’t like typing that much.

        • Paul Wells

          I’m just following the wise counsel of the prime minister, who said an investigator should be named in time to investigate, report and provide recommendations by March 15. That makes sense to me. I think it’s important that the prime minister’s wishes be carried out. Joseph seems to have a problem with that timeline. Why do you hate the prime minister so, Joseph?

          • kody

            Do you know that people die of food (and even air) born illnesses in this country?

            What is this, Somalia?

            Time for the Harper governement to put an end to death in Canada,

            once and for all.

          • Paul Wells

            What are you, kody, 4 years old? I’m not even making a complex point. The prime minister of Canada said there should be an investigation. No, he said there will be one. Fine. Where is it?

          • Paul Wells
          • kody

            I’m sorry, Paul,

            I didn’t realize that you were simply asking a simple question, nothing more, nothing less.

            I could have sworn I read somewhere that this little unanswered question was cause to question the entire integrity of this government, and perhaps even the stability and reliability of our nation as a nation, akin to the the type of anomie one would find in a lawless nation in Africa dominated by warlords and epitomized by mass starvation.

            Sorry for over-reacting.

            My mistake.

          • kody
          • Paul Wells

            Wells Derangement Syndrome.

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            Kody finally outed!!! Take a look at his response to PW slapdown at 10.14. Anyone familiar with Kody’s sloganeering style of polemic will find this entry a contrast in styles. WILL THE REAL KODY PLEASE STAND UP!!! [ note to Mr Wells i am now stamping my feet and holding my breath] IDEMAND TO KNOW WHO THE CUCKOO IN THE NEST IS!!! [ please assume caps] This viper in our bossom!!! This agent provocateur!!! This cad!!! etc, etc, etc. I’ll miss him personally, he was the only blogger i could reliably feel superior to. Guess i’ll have to take my custom over to SDA. I know who Kody is, but i might start a blogging equivalent of a donybrook if i said anything.

  • http://prairiewrangler.wordpress.com/ Olaf

    Paul,

    You’re artfully avoiding the real issue here: should our Prime Minister follow his own advise, or not? Sometimes defying one’s own expressed wishes is indicative of leadership.

    • Jack Mitchell

      Also, consistency is a virtue, so if you consistently defy your own expressed wishes you get the best of both worlds.

      • http://prairiewrangler.wordpress.com/ Olaf

        Precisely, Jack. The word we’re all looking for here is “integrity”. That PW can’t see this is further evidence of his unhealthy obsession with conventional truth-telling.

  • FrustratedVoter

    I suspect the reason why this investigator hasn’t been appointed yet was an election, followed by a cabinet shuffle, followed by a Parliamentary crisis. That’s not a good enough reason, though — he or she should have been appointed with in 2 weeks of the PM’s announcement.

    It’s not just the 20 deaths — though that justifies an investigation on its own. It’s also the fact that this listeriosis outbreak coincided with a major change in oversight protocol by the CFIA — which many inspectors have risked their jobs to say is not an adequate oversight protocol.

    Doesn’t anyone remember the tainted tuna scandal back in 1985? That led to a minister resigning even though no one apparently got sick, much less died from it. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunagate ). How can anyone justify a lesser reaction to a much more serious incident?

  • SERENDIPPITTY

    Well Kady … We’ve heard “out here” … in NEBAH NEBAH LAND Gerry Ritz is delaying the enqiry until he hears more about the personal health of Wayne Easter.

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