The Macleans.ca Interview: Power to the Parliamentarians

by kadyomalley on Friday, January 23, 2009 3:13pm - 50 Comments

“Manipulation of public opinion by a well oiled and resourced propaganda machine has no place in the profound and critical constitutional decision making of the Governor General. It is simply unstatesman like to exploit the public’s misconceptions about parliamentary democracy.”

A round robin Q&A with four of the constitutional experts who joined with more than thirty of their colleagues to sign an open letter advising Governor General Michaelle Jean to consider all of her constitutional options – including calling on the Leader of the Opposition to attempt to form government – should the Prime Minister be forced to trek back to Rideau Hall in the coming days.

UPDATE: Through no fault of his own, Osgoode Hall Law School professor Bruce Ryder was not credited for his contributions. That has been remedied – sorry about that, professor!

1. Why are you sending out this open letter now, instead of in the days leading up to the Prime Minister’s visit to Rideau Hall last December?

Barbara Cameron, York University: There was academic commentary in December around prorogation. There was some frustration that the media was not featuring commentary that accurately portrayed the constitutional situation. Quite a bit of the media seemed to accept without question the quite inaccurate view that the Governor General had to accept automatically the advice of the Prime Minister and that her only option was to grant a dissolution to the Prime Minister.

Errol Mendes, University of Ottawa (bio), Margot Young, University of British Columbia (bio) and Bruce Ryder, Osgoode Hall Law School (bio): Last December, events moved very fast and time was limited to get such a collective action going. Several of us, myself included, only had time to make our individual views known extensively in the media. The principle is an important one and calls for clear assertion. In general elections, we elect a Parliament, not a government. A government’s democratic legitimacy depends on whether it can maintain the confidence of a majority of elected members of the House of Commons. Statements to the contrary are profoundly irresponsible.


2.If a return trip by the PM was preceded by a confidence vote, would the Governor General would have to consider the question from a different perspective, and in a different legal/constitutional context than when she decided to grant the prorogation request?

Cameron: A decision by the Governor General to grant a dissolution to a Prime Minister who was facing a vote of confidence in the House of Commons would go against the consensus of constitutional experts today. The Governor General is only bound by the advice of a Prime Minister who has the confidence of the House. If there is a question about that, then she is entitled to say to the Prime Minister that he needs to clear up any confusion by facing the vote of confidence. If he comes back to her with a vote of confidence in his pocket, then she would be more inclined to take his advice, especially if members of the House were aware that he was seeking dissolution.

If the government is defeated on a motion of confidence, the Governor General may listen to the advice of the Prime Minister but acts according to her own judgment. The preferable situation is for Parliament to solve the problem on its own by identifying through its own processes the leader who enjoys the support of the majority of members of the House of Commons. In that situation, she appoints as Prime Minister the leader who is assured of the support of the House. In determining if there is such a leader, it is constitutionally appropriate for her to consult with the leaders of the other parties and anyone else she chooses. The procedure followed in the current situation by the leaders of the opposition parties of coming to a signed agreement among themselves about who the Prime Minister would be in an alternative government and what the main lines of policy would be is considered a legitimate and useful initiative by numerous constitutional scholars, both Canadian and British.

Even if a government has not been defeated on a vote of confidence and there is no impending motion of confidence, constitutional experts argue that under certain limited circumstances the refusal by a Governor General to grant dissolution to a Prime Minister would be constitutionally defensible. In particular, it is widely agreed that a Prime Minister who has been granted one dissolution should not be granted a second one in a situation where there is an alternative government available. This path is seen as particularly appropriate when Parliament is in the early stages of its life and another election is some time in the future. In the current context, the 40th Parliament has so far sat for only thirteen days. Constitutionally, elections must be held every five years and under the current government’s own amendment to the Canada Elections Act, the next fixed date for the election is almost four years away.

The circumstances identified by many constitutional experts as justifying a refusal of dissolution even when a government has not been defeated in the House fit closely – one might even say precisely — the current Canadian situation.

Mendes/Young/Ryder: There was a confidence vote on the Throne Speech in the last brief Parliament which Harper used to argue that his prorogation request be granted. However, the critical issue was that a no confidence vote was scheduled, then rescheduled, only to have it not take place by means of refugeto the Governor General.

Under these particular circumstances, there was clear evidence that the PM was dodging the certain loss of confidence of the House. It is in reference to these circumstances that the open letter makes the fundamental point that the Governor General would have no option but to call on the opposition to form a government that would then seek to retain the confidence of the House. A repeat performance by the PM would mock our Parliamentary democracy.

What if it was a straight repeat of what happened last month, with no formal confidence vote having been held, but the likely results all but certain to be against the government?

Cameron: With respect to the comparison with the prorogation decision, there is a debate among constitutional scholars in Canada about whether or not the grant of prorogation was appropriate in a situation where it was clearly intended to preempt a vote of confidence in the House of Commons. An argument in favour of the Governor General’s decision is that it did not foreclose the current Parliament having the opportunity to vote on a confidence motion but rather delayed it. However, the motion of confidence that was set to be voted upon expired when the first session of the 40th Parliament was ended by the prorogation. In that sense, the Governor General’s decision could be seen as giving an advantage to the Prime Minister and as favouring one party over another, thereby compromising the impartiality of the Governor General. Most of the criticism, however, is directed at the Prime Minister rather than the Governor General who was placed in a difficult situation (not for the first time by this Prime Minister).

The situation is much clearer on a request for a dissolution of Parliament. In the scenario you raise, it would be inappropriate for a Prime Minister to advise dissolution in order to preempt a vote of censure in the House of Commons and constitutional experts agree that the Governor General would be well advised to reject such advice.

Mendes/Young/Ryder: Were a plausible coalition waiting in the wings, the PM should not be allowed to seek prorogation or request dissolution and trigger another election so soon after the last one (the consensus is that there must be at least a six to nine month period since the last one). To quote the leader of the opposition, Canadians currently need another election “like a hole in the head”. If the government loses a confidence vote in the House when the 40th Parliament reconvenes, and the PM then invites the GG to dissolve Parliament, she would be in a much stronger position to refuse his advice and invite the leader of opposition to attempt to form a government that can obtain the confidence of the House, especially if the opposition parties are still publicly expressing their commitment to forming a stable coalition government.

3. To what extent should a Governor General “no longer bound by the advice of the Prime Minister” take public opinion into account when reaching her decision – and if she should, what would be an appropriate way of gaging what that public opinion could be — polls (either those done by media outlets/outside parties, or commissioned by the Governor General herself), letters/calls/emails/faxes from the public, or another mechanism?

Cameron: In general, in a parliamentary democracy, it is Parliament that expresses the “national will” between elections and it is not up to the Governor General to gauge it. We often hear criticisms of governments governing by opinion polls. It is odd that we should ask the Governor General to do that. Should a coalition government be formed, then its participants will be judged by the electorate at the next election. The key consideration for the Governor General is that she have in place a government to advise her that is capable of maintaining the support of the House of Commons for a reasonable period of time. The alternative is to support government by plebiscite which would dispense with the need for elections and a House of Commons entirely.

Mendes/Young/Ryder: The Governor General is the guardian of our system of Parliamentary democracy, not a guardian of public opinion manipulated by the party that has lost the confidence of the House and that responds by misrepresenting how our electoral and parliamentary systems work. Canadians elect MPs who then decide which party or coalition of parties will maintain the confidence of the House and thus form the government.

The PM of a minority party in the House has no assured “right to govern”. He or she can do so only if the confidence of the House is retained. Elected membership of the House reflects the will of the people, not a single Prime Minister. Keep in mind also that a minority government means that a sizeable majority of the electorate did not vote for the governing party and, certainly. not for the leader of that party to become Prime Minister. Manipulation of public opinion by a well oiled and resourced propaganda machine has no place in the profound and critical constitutional decision making of the Governor General. It is simply unstatesman like to exploit the public’s misconceptions about parliamentary democracy.

4. Finally, your letter notes that the debate has revealed that many Canadians are “unfamiliar with the basic rules of our constitutional democracy.” Given the reflexive negative reaction to the possibility of the coalition taking power, are you concerned that increased familiarity could breed if not contempt, a call to reform the current system into one more closely modeled on the American system, particularly in the immediate afterglow of the election of President Obama?

Cameron: Canadians might decide after a process of debate that the American system is superior to the parliamentary system adopted from Britain. However, it is much more likely that they would be inclined to reform our system to make it more democratically accountable – and there are definitely changes that are needed. The American system can produce a George Bush as much as a Barrack Obama.

There are two key points to make in the current context. The first is that it is up to Canadians to decide to make a change in the fundamental nature of our constitution and that would involve a serious process of public discussion. It should not happen through the decisions of a Prime Minister or a Governor General in response to an immediate situation in Parliament. That would be profoundly undemocratic.

The second point is that importing the (apparently) direct democracy notions from the model of electing a US President without radical changes to other elements of our constitutional system would result in a Prime Minister having tremendous power between elections. In our system, it is Parliament that has the main responsibility for keeping the executive branch democratically accountable between elections. One of the primary tools the elected legislators in fulfilling this responsibility is the possibility of turfing the government out of office on a vote of non-confidence, most easily done of course in a minority Parliament. (The US model, of course, is not really a direct democracy when it comes to the election of a President because of the electoral college).

Prime Minister Harper stated that he would pursue all legal means available to him, essentially to prevent the Governor General from appointing as Prime Minister a leader capable of doing what he apparently was failing to do: maintain the confidence of the House. This is a scary proposition if one understands that there are no legal limits on what the Governor General can decide with respect to the dissolution of Parliament. If one accepts the view put forward by Harper that the Governor General should automatically accept a Prime Minister’s request for dissolution, then he could conceivably call election after election with lower and lower voter turnouts until he finally got a majority government.

Mendes/Young/Ryder: As mentioned, the reflexive reaction to the coalition (which from the most recent polls seem to be undergoing a major change) was a large result of irresponsible misrepresentation of our democratic system and the circumstances of the coalition. The real question is whether an accurate representation would have resulted in such contempt. We suspect not. If those who govern our country are faithful to its constitutional foundations, there is a complex system of checks and balances which over time allow our democracy to adapt to changing circumstances. With the rise of the Bloc in Quebec and the growing strength of the Green Party it will become increasingly necessary to be clear about the foundational rules of our system. Minority governments may become much more common and the foundational principles of our system, when properly invoked, can function to enable avoidance of the huge expense, inefficient governance, and economic fall out occasioned by too frequent elections.

After all, the British Parliamentary system we modeled ourselves on has lasted for centuries. While we are perhaps enthralled with the election of Obama, we tend to forget the darker side of the Presidential system that George W. Bush so aptly illustrated as he rode roughshod over the Constitution, ignored the rule of law (both domestic and international), and exploited the potential for gridlock with Congress in a true separation of powers model.

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  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    Interesting interview, Kady. I wish someone would ask Parliamentarians their thoughts on Coalition and the total disregard of precedent and convention when they tried to usurp power. I also think they would do themselves a favour by being less partisan because their disdain for Bush is neither here nor there in a debate about Canadian parliamentary procedure.

    “In a recent Ipsos Reid poll, 51% of participants mistakenly thought that Canadians directly elect their Prime Minister.” From their open letter.

    People seem to understand better how our Parliament works than these so-called experts. How it our Parliament is now, with PM being all powerful, we do elect PM when we vote for someone for his party. Focusing on the rules, while ignoring how it works in practice, seems to smack of ivy-toweritis. Once again, the average person is smarter/cannier than the academics.

    • Michael

      Well that is an interesting take, jwl, but it dones’t change the fact that the system runs by rules that don’t change based on people’s ingnorance of them.
      when things starting falling apart for Harper in December, I immediately drew comparisions between the US Election in 2000. There, people vote directly for their president, and Al Gore got more vote. But the rules, at it turns out, were a little more complicated, and Bush won. How many Americans had to be explained that back in 2000? Would a mass movement of ralleys and protest change the fact that according to the American electoral rules – and despite the popular will of American voters – Georges Bush was elected president?

      • Ti-Guy

        But the rules, at it turns out, were a little more complicated, and Bush won.

        And the Americans got stuck with him…for eight years. That’s the point that was being made with references to Bush and republican systems of government.

        • Two Yen

          The American electorate was only “stuck” with Bush for fours years.

          In 2004 there was another election and Bush won. In most definitions of democracy this is not being “stuck” with the winner. Even if one acknowledges the dispute over the Folorida count in 2000, just because many people do not like Bush does not mean he did not win the election of 2004.

          • Ti-Guy

            There have been serious questions about both “elections,” but in any case the point is that in a republican system of government, the people make one decision at one point in time and then have to live with it.. Your quibble is irrelevant.

            I love…love…the fact that in our system of government, we can clear the decks practically any time. It’s flexible and responsive.

    • http://dougsamu.wordpress.com/ dougrogers

      The experts; they know nothing.

    • Vates

      I love it, jwl. You’re shown conclusive proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about, and your answer is: “Ha! Looks like the people who don’t know what they’re talking about understand this better than the people who do understand what they’re talking about! Irony of ironies!”

      • Ti-Guy

        It’s frightening, really.

      • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

        What conclusive proof have I been shown? These are a bunch of left wing academics who want a progressive government and, to achieve that, they are willing to ignore some rules while championing others. There are other constitutional experts who think these people are entirely wrong.

        It makes my skin crawl when I read academics saying the hoi polloi need to be educated on something just because they disagree with these clowns who spend their lives in the ivory tower. I don’t care about technical details, we are voting for PM/Party when we vote for a local MP. The people have a better understanding of our system than the academics, simple as.

        • Vates

          Sorry, jwl, that attitude went out of style in 1689. If you’re going to plump for royalism, be a man and say so; meanwhile we’ll keep our Parliamentary democracy.

        • http://www.macleans.ca Kady O’Malley

          Okay, I get what you’re saying here, but really — the constitution is not a technical detail. I tried to get at that issue with my last question — will this lead to widespread support for democratic reform that would reshape the system to resemble the one that some apparently believe we already have in place – but that doesn’t negate the fact that that assumption is simply false.

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            Aren’t polling # indicating people may be taking a closer look now? [ not that i'm overfond of polling.]

        • Ti-Guy

          they are willing to ignore some rules while championing others.

          What rules are they ignoring?

          I don’t care about technical details, we are voting for PM/Party when we vote for a local MP.

          That’s an assertion, not an argument. And one that has no foundation in our constitution, which is what I’m imagining you mean when you say “rules.”

          It makes my skin crawl to know this country produces so many people who seem to think what they feel and believe is not only what is true for themselves but for other people as well.

          The rest of your blither about academics is just the proud ignorance of someone I’ve wasted my taxes on by supporting public education.

          • Sisyphus

            We are only part way through the triumph of the Know Nothings.

            There is Hope for Change if we have sufficient Audacity.

            But not much.

          • Ti-Guy

            We are only part way through the triumph of the Know Nothings.

            I’ve been scathing about academics abandoning their roles as educators and public intellectuals and their inability to communicate to make themselves understood outside their field of expertise, but now I can see why so many have. When faced with a startlingly large demographic that thinks every manifestation of expertise, intellectual diligence or even plain common sense is the equivalent of moral corruption or evidence of someone “pulling a fast one,” what’s the point of even trying?

            I don’t blame the…*ahem*…hoi polloi, however. I blame corporate media.

          • archangel

            I blame jwl.

    • cwe

      Seems to me, jwl, that parliamentarians got plenty of opportunities to express their thoughts on the coalition, but that’s beside the point.

      You have piqued my curiosity, sir.

      Here’s the thing: I think I know a thing or two about parliamentary democracy, including whether I vote directly for an MP or the PM. However, if a bunch of people who have spent significant portions of their professional lives studying, discussing, debating and otherwise considering parliamentary democracy came to me and said, “You might want to reconsider your position because here’s how things are a little different from what you thought they were,” while I might initially feel inclined to do a little grumbling along the lines of, “Who let the smartypantses out of their cages,” I would eventually feel compelled to at least give my position a little more thought in light of the new information.

      My question for you, jwl: Is there anybody who could convince you to do the same? Don’t freak out, I’m not trying to get you to change your mind or anything. I’m just wondering if it’s in any way possible for anyone to get you to simply pause for a moment, and really consider a point of view that is different from your own.

      • Cameron MacLeod

        “consider a point of view that is different”

        What are you, some kind of commie fascist? *smirk*

      • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

        “I’m just wondering if it’s in any way possible for anyone to get you to simply pause for a moment, and really consider a point of view that is different from your own.”

        How do you know I haven’t? Just because I disagree with a few academic types who are focusing on some rules they like and advance their argument but completely ignoring how the system works in actual fact, doesn’t mean I haven’t thought about this.

        My main problem with Parliamentarians argument is that they are not considering how different MPs behave now than they did 150 years ago. When the constitutional rules were written 140 ago, MPs were much more independent and party allegiances were not so rigid. Now MPs have zero independence and rarely, if ever, say anything against their party/leader.

        So when people vote for their local MP now, most people are voting party/leader because they know their local MP won’t behave independently. MPs take their marching orders from PMO, they have entirely abdicated their traditional roles and powers.

        And another thing that really bothered me was the false consciousness argument put forward by
        Mendes/Young/Ryder in question 4 where they seem to be implying that Harper/Cons bamboozled us proles into believing things that just aren’t true. Whereas I would argue public opinion on the Coalition formed first and than the Cons tried to tap into it.

        • Ti-Guy

          How do you know I haven’t?

          I think that is self-evident.

          • Shenping

            It’s funny that the American Conservatives Harper tends to follow are usually the “originalist” types–no interpretation allowed beyond what was meant three hundred ago. In Canada it really isn’t a defensible as our constitution was written in dozens of acts, the most recent being 1982, and we don’t worship its writers as infallible.

            I agree with JWL that in our legal system, established norms have to be considered, regardless of whether or not they are codified into formal law. This leads to the whole debate of which non-codified norms need to be considered, and whether or not they should override what’s actually written down. Usually the Supreme Court needs to get involved to some extent, and this stuff usually takes decades to get involved.

            Partly for the sake of being trite, I’d like to compare the situation to traffic laws. Every community has its unwritten conventions of which traffic violations are customarily overlooked. In small towns, they mostly all are. In big cities, not so many. Over time, traffic conditions change, and police have to enforce laws they used to ignore, or city hall changes the rules to reflect the new situation.

            I’m a lot less confident when changing our constitution than in changing traffic laws. This is far outside of my area of expertise, but my understanding is that all the acts making up Canada’s constitution were revalidated when they were patriated by the Constitution Act, 1982, so the intent in question is much more recent than 140 years ago.

            Again, this is far from my area of expertise, but it’s my understanding that when unwritten norms come into conflict with written laws, the written laws are held to be valid unless overruled by a court decision or changed by government. Since anything at this level would require a decision by the Supreme Court or the agreement of seven provinces making up over half the population (or whatever percentage constitutional change requires), the laws as written still hold and aren’t going to change any time soon. Anything else would not be democracy: it would be mob rule.

  • archangel

    Bee-au-ti-ful ! I want to pry some eyes open with toothpicks and have them read this. Thanks for the post.

  • Critical Reasoning

    Kady, excellent interview! Very thought-provoking. This is why ITQ rocks.

  • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

    Yeah but the GGs gonna ignore all these eggheads and throw it to an election, at which time the opposition parties will get blamed for playing politics while the country went down in flames. Presto! Tory Majority!Their Message? Stability!

    • Ti-Guy

      You also predicted the Americans would never elect a black man as president. ;)

      • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

        Hush up.

  • http://macleans.ca kc

    Kady yr last question seem to get the respnse that the integrity and stability of our parliamentary system depends to a large degree on the qualities of those who represent it. On the surface this is a very scary thought, but perhaps it’s the only one that make sense. Not being able to legislate morality and so on?

    • http://macleans.ca kc

      Iv’e been racking my brain trying to remember if there are any parallels to the Australian experience with the Gough Whitlam govt, any takers?

      • Vates

        That was much more complicated.

        The main cause was the fact that our Australian cousins have an elected Senate (a warning to us all!); there was gridlock between the two chambers in a time of economic crisis; the Liberals essentially stole a majority in the Senate (which had been precariously balanced); and nothing was working.

        The GG, who was anti-Labour (perils of a politicised GG!), refused the Labour PM’s (Whitlam’s) advice to dissolve only one House (the Senate) and instead appointed the Liberal leader as PM, with the understanding that both Houses would be dissolved.

        I really don’t know the Australian constitution, but it seems to me that the GG overstepped his authority by a) refusing the Advice of the PM to dissolve only one House; b) making dissolution of both Houses the criterion for appointing a PM. If the GG lacks iron-clad constitutional precedent, then for the GG to refuse the advice of a PM is to run the risk of politicising the office of GG; though it arguably already was politicised in Australia. (Or, in the case of a foreign and thus necessarily apolitical GG, to make the office of GG look ridiculous, which is what Byng accomplished.)

        But all the evils of that Australian constitutional episode can, IMHO, be traced to their having an elected Senate. Given how profoundly immature our Canadian politicians are, we should take due warning: two elected chambers, rivals in democratic legitmacy, would ensure a 1975 Australian-style crisis in this country every couple of years. I doubt our democracy could survive it. Seriously.

        • KRB

          The Australians have it right with their elected Senate. We’re the dummies who have it wrong. The Liberals in the Australian Senate blocked Supply, b/c the gov’t of the day was mired in scandals. The Australian Liberals did not take over active government. The GG there installed the Liberal leader as caretaker PM, with the caveat that he call an immediate election, which he did. And the Liberals were returned with a majority government. Their system worked, as that is what the people wanted!

          Democracy requires informed consent by the governed. This is the biggest sticking point with the Coalition in Ottawa. One party always maintained that there would be no coalition with another smaller party (the Libs with the NDP) … they did this precisely b/c they knew that their support levels would be less otherwise. Obviously we can quantify it, but many people felt safe voting for them b/c of this refusal to consider a coalition with the NDP.

          To now let those Liberals govern in coalition with the NDP would make a mockery of the concept of informed consent. A new election, where the choices are laid bare, would settle where the nation is at, vis-a-vis the Coalition.

          As for the duty to uphold the Constitution, I’d say not wanting a party that has as its raison-d’etre a radical overhaul of that Constitution, and has in the past stated that it would not be bound by that Constitution in the event of certain outcomes, to be manning the oxygen supply of a terribly weak coalition government, would be fully in keeping with that duty. Ted McWhinney, former Liberal MP and constitutional-law expert, also believes it would have to be a consideration.

          But it is quite academic. In the event of a lost confidence vote, we would either have an election right away (GG accedes to PM’s request), or shortly thereafter (this coalition arrangement makes Dennis Rodman and Carmen Electra’s nuptials look like a model marriage).

          Considering the recent results in the Hesse state election in Germany, I couldn’t see that being good news for either the Libs or NDP.

          Yet part of the lift in Hesse came from local factors. Voters punished the SPD for a botched attempt to rule in Hesse with the backing of the Left Party, which has its origins in East Germany’s communist party.

          • Ti-Guy

            One party always maintained that there would be no coalition with another smaller party (the Libs with the NDP) …

            And Harper broke his own law to call an election. And fabricated during the campaign.

            There was no informed consent right from the beginning with Harper’s squalid little minority, elected with only 22% of the eligible electorate.

          • Vates

            So you seriously want the unelected GG determining what the people want? In the name of democracy?

            If the Canadian people are so fired up against the Coalition (pre-Xmas poll said one thing, new poll says something else, next week’s poll will say something different again), they are entitled to crush it at election time. The Coalition leaders know this and if they think they can risk what would surely, as you say, be a brief government, let’s let them — as elected representatives — decide and not the unelected GG.

            Let’s not get into election promises, shall we? Every one of our current parties has reversed itself in the last two months, since the campaign ended. Empty promises are part of the absurd game of our politics, and frankly we deserve them given our total disinterest, as electors, in truth-telling politicians.

            It’s not an “academic” argument at all. The question is whether we want to be governed by opinion poll — the kind that has just sent us into spontaneous $62-billion deficit — or by Parliament, which ideally would have some element of reason and reflection and careful judgment. Populists, the kind that laud gridlock as the salvation of democracy, want All Power to Caesar; some of us will never accept that and rather choose the Brutus model.

  • Douglass

    Good interview. Thanks Kady!

  • darcymeyers

    Constitutional convention would support an argument that changing the executive of governance is based on elections; granting governance to the largest party. Should that party loose the confidence of the house, the electorate can hold all parties responsible at the polls. The underlying concept throughout the constitution is democracy, as stated by the Supreme court. That should be remembered when literally interpreting it.

    The GG should be held above the fray. Should a decision be required that carries a major political consequence (like changing the executive in government!), the advice of the PM should be followed. He can be held politically responsible, eventually. National (government) stability also must be considered in her decision, and at the time, a change in government would not have provided stability.

    There are many factors that go into the GG decision. In my opinion she made the correct one. Would it have been within the literal interpretation of the constitution to allow the coalition to govern? Yes.
    Would it be in the best interest of the country, was the larger question she also had to consider.

  • madeyoulook

    Nice work, Kady.

    More and more, I am happy to have pigeon-holed myself away from Andrew Potter’s two camps of Parliamentarians and Democrats. Rules are indeed rules, and the GG should look for alternatives after a loss of confidence so soon after an election. We may not like whatever coalition takes shape: tough. The people get to punish at the next election. And if we don’t like that system, there are ways to change the constitution. Thankfully, it is very difficult to do so.

    • http://macleans.ca kc

      I’m still in that third camp.

      • seaandthemountains

        I think the third camp is non existent…. it really is 2. parliamentarians a) don’t like current offering or b) like the current offering or c) don’t care what the current offering is….. and franl a), b) and c) don’t matter….

        • madeyoulook

          Actually, this goes back to Andrew Potter’s earlier work here at Blog Central (but be sure to check out this weekend’s Citizen for more). It had to do with the partisan motivation for a particular P vs. D stance: As I recall he said that if you don’t like the coalition you will argue as a Democrat, and if you do like the coalition you will argue as a Parliamentarian. And I pointed out that I can’t stand this coalition while still allowing for its constitutional legitimacy. Coming up with nothing else at the time, I went with the pithy “parliamentary democrat” and bought the first round for more than a few who came with me. That’s all.

          • seaandthemountains

            Yeah I commented in that thread… though I forgot to jump in for the round. Damn.

            The Demos claim the coalition should not go forward because it was not directly democratically elected (a point Potter has finally started to repudiate in the Citizen this weekend). The Parls, claim the coalition should go far because it is technically legitimate. And you have summed up your outliers.

            I just see it as really your position as it has evolved above, makes clear that really your outliers are just Parls who happen to not like the current offering, where others might like it, and still others don;t care…. Fair enough… but I think that still puts you in the Parls camp in that you are not denying that it a coalition should be prohibited (not withstanding your that this one is not your preference). …. it just means you have to buy more drinks!

  • apater

    To throw another idea out there, how about we remove much of the power that the PM enjoys and give that power to the elected parliament? In the case of proroguing or calling an election or deciding who is PM; those decisions can be made by the elected parliament. Only a majority vote in parliament can prorogue said parliament. Likewise, only parliament can dissolve itself and call an election. And only parliament can decide if a coalition is granted the power of government.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    I love this.
    The fact that jwl labels these constitutional experts “left wing academics” assures me that THEY are right…
    We are now seeing the tip of the next iceberg of talking points floating out from the PMO….
    Seems to me that Harper’s feet are nailed to the ground!
    I do not believe that the GG will be as unprepared as she was last time around.
    What you didn’t cover in your questions Kady – was the whole issue of the GG keeping her rationale for her decision private…I think that going foward – especially so in situations where great debates are raging back and forth on the validity of her decision – that she step forward to the microphone BEFORE – the PM – to elucidate the why’s and the wherefores…

    • Wascally Wabbit

      BTW Kady – you were a no show on CBC Newsworld this morning…couldn’t get up – or are you and Susan Riley on some sort of rota?

    • http://macleans.ca kc

      Oooh! That would be so mean! Do i see another lawsuit? In fact Canadians should beware! He may yet have us all in the dock, fo not giving him the majority he so richly deserves.

  • DianeG

    A very good interview and I hope it will be read carefully by many folk. Parliamentary democracy is quite different from American style government. But, it seems that fact has failed to penetrate the consciousness of many folk. We do NOT need more power to be concentrated in the PMO, no matter who the PM might be. And, Canada is a federation which also affects everyhing.

  • darcymeyers

    “The principle of democracy has always informed the design of our constitutional structure, and continues to act as an essential interpretive consideration to this day. A majority of this Court in OPSEU v. Ontario, supra, at p. 57, confirmed that “the basic structure of our Constitution, as established by the Constitution Act, 1867, contemplates the existence of certain political institutions, including freely elected legislative bodies at the federal and provincial levels”. As is apparent from an earlier line of decisions emanating from this Court, including Switzman v. Elbling, [1957] S.C.R. 285, Saumur v. City of Quebec, [1953] 2 S.C.R. 299, Boucher v. The King, [1951] S.C.R. 265, and Reference re Alberta Statutes, [1938] S.C.R. 100, the democracy principle can best be understood as a sort of baseline against which the framers of our Constitution, and subsequently, our elected representatives under it, have always operated. It is perhaps for this reason that the principle was not explicitly identified in the text of the Constitution Act, 1867 itself. To have done so might have appeared redundant, even silly, to the framers. As explained in the Provincial Judges Reference, supra, at para. 100, it is evident that our Constitution contemplates that Canada shall be a constitutional democracy. Yet this merely demonstrates the importance of underlying constitutional principles that are nowhere explicitly described in our constitutional texts. The representative and democratic nature of our political institutions was simply assumed.”

    “The consent of the governed is a value that is basic to our understanding of a free and democratic society. Yet democracy in any real sense of the word cannot exist without the rule of law. It is the law that creates the framework within which the “sovereign will” is to be ascertained and implemented. To be accorded legitimacy, democratic institutions must rest, ultimately, on a legal foundation. That is, they must allow for the participation of, and accountability to, the people, through public institutions created under the Constitution. Equally, however, a system of government cannot survive through adherence to the law alone. A political system must also possess legitimacy, and in our political culture, that requires an interaction between the rule of law and the democratic principle. The system must be capable of reflecting the aspirations of the people. But there is more. Our law’s claim to legitimacy also rests on an appeal to moral values, many of which are imbedded in our constitutional structure. It would be a grave mistake to equate legitimacy with the “sovereign will” or majority rule alone, to the exclusion of other constitutional values.”

    The Supreme Court, with some points on constitutional law, and interpretation. It highlights some of the complexities not covered in the interview, or discussed by these experts. It is actually a good look at the broader understanding of our constitution.

    http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1998/1998rcs2-217/1998rcs2-217.html

  • http://ca.youtube.com/user/PaulWilbee Paul Wilbee

    If parliamentary democracy is to survive in Canada, this anti-democratic and dictatorial prime minister MUST be removed, and his government replaced by the Coalition.

    If the Governor General stands in the way of his democratic removal again, she will have disgraced her office, and forfeited any right to occupy it.

  • http://deleted Sandi

    I saw a guy on CBC last night who’s on a Constitutional panel and he said they all came to the conclusion that Canadians have a right to know (from GG) why she granted Harper his prerogue of parliament.

    Now, I’ve heard that GG has become close friends with Loreen Harper. They go hiking and other things together – I’m not comfortable with this.

    Also, Kady – Harper and his cabinet are going around the country in campaign mode pushing the budget and promising goodies – should that be allowed when parliament is prerogued? This way, Harper campaigns on OUR taxpayer money and, should they be making any announcements prior to reading the budget? Doesn’t pass the smell test and I don’t see any journalists complaining, pointing it out or questioning it.

    • http://ca.youtube.com/user/PaulWilbee Paul Wilbee

      You raise some important points, Sandi.

  • Frankly Canadian

    What a great interview, and the debate is so intriguing. Good job Kady, I have got to visit here more often.

  • anon

    Just a thought…If the government had changed as the result of the last election…and a new party in power and new PM faced precisely the same coalition / prorogation scenario…and the PM appointed over a dozen new Senators…wouldn’t people be concerned about legitimacy?

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