Where’s a lawyer when you need one?

Canada’s legal system is hobbled by our dearth of law schools

by Kate Lunau on Monday, February 2, 2009 10:22am - 27 Comments

For Canada’s aspiring lawyers, the bar to entry is set high. Given their unique responsibilities, that’s not necessarily a bad thing—except if it skews who enters the profession, and the career path they take. To attend a Canadian law school, “you have to come from a well-off family that can afford to support you through seven years of university,” Kelly says. Those who can pay a tutor for the Law School Admission Test, or can afford to shell out the money to study abroad (Bond’s Canadian students pay a whopping $22,000 in tuition alone), are also at an advantage.

In Ontario, where law school tuition was deregulated in 1997, two-thirds of law students come from the wealthiest 40 per cent of families in the province, a 2004 study found, and just 10 per cent from the bottom 40. Meanwhile, about 30 per cent of second-year law students with debt said the money they owe will have a “substantial effect” on their careers, pushing them into high-paying jobs instead of public service, or work in more remote communities.

As Ontario law school tuition skyrocketed, the number of graduates looking to take jobs in lower-paying public law fields (including criminal and family) has taken a dive, says Frank Addario, president of the Criminal Lawyers’ Association. “Top students are finding the money, and relief from law school debts, to be irresistible,” he says. A first-year associate at a large private practice firm in downtown Toronto makes up to $105,000, plus bonuses as high as 30 per cent, according to ZSA Legal Recruitment. In Montreal and Vancouver, base pay is up to $93,000, and in Calgary it’s $77,000. With salaries like that on offer, who’d want to hang out a shingle in Kapuskasing?

Law schools have long fought the notion they’re merely a conveyor belt to big firm jobs. The University of Toronto, for example, offers Canada’s only back-end debt relief program, which helps students choosing lower-income employment to pay off their loans. Schools host public law career fairs, run legal aid clinics, and provide other opportunities to learn about what’s seen as alternative work. But some say the ivory tower could do more to make legal education accessible. Ryerson University is now considering opening a law faculty that would offer flexible, part-time courses, says Julia Hanigsberg, its general counsel and secretary of the board. Although part-time law programs are rare in Canada, they might attract a more diverse student body—new immigrants, mature students returning to the workforce—who’d pursue a more diverse practice of law, she argues. And, because they could work part-time, “they leave law school with smaller debt loads and greater freedom to choose public interest or other lower-paying careers,” says David Chavkin, a professor the American University Washington College of Law.

Ironically, attracting a more diverse student body was exactly what Lakehead University was trying to do: it recently advanced a proposal for a new law school in Thunder Bay, one that would attract northern and Aboriginal students, and retain more lawyers in the area. “What we hear from students, particularly Aboriginal students, is that they want a base closer to home,” says president Fred Gilbert, who notes that all six of the province’s law schools are in the south.

In fact, Lakehead was just one of four Ontario universities (excluding Ryerson) that had new law faculties on the drawing board. But last year, the provincial government denied funding to all of them, concluding that demand from the student side hasn’t increased enough to justify it (in 2007, 4,469 people applied to Ontario law schools, almost 1,000 more than 10 years before). And the Law Society of Upper Canada warned there may not be enough articling spaces for new students anyway. (Lakehead’s independent survey identified enough articling jobs to meet the needs of the 55 law students it hopes to admit each year, Gilbert says.) Extra funding for law schools is rarely popular with government, notes Krishna: “Do we say there’s not enough residency [positions], so we’re not going to train more doctors?”

Despite the growing number of experts who say Canada needs more lawyers, there’s one powerful group that disagrees—the lawyers themselves. “It is simplistic to think that the high cost of legal services and problems of access to justice can be solved by simply adding more lawyers to the market,” says Malcolm Heins, CEO of the Law Society of Upper Canada, who notes that legal services are still costly in the U.S., even though they have more lawyers per capita.

Yet Canada’s lawyer supply is so very restricted, and access to justice remains a struggle for so many, that it seems adding more legal service providers must be part of the solution. “We know there’s the demand from the student side. We know there’s the demand from people who need legal services,” Hanigsberg says. “One can’t help but look at that and say, how can it be that we don’t need more lawyers?”

With Cameron Ainsworth-Vincze

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  • David Fraser

    Where’s a lawyer when you need one? Throw a rock.

  • Richard

    Wait a minute – this is completely misleading:

    “…yet the number of law students who graduate each year is “virtually unchanged,”

    “in 2006, 2,973 law students were admitted to the profession, just 133 more than a decade before.”

    “Graduating” and being “admitted to the profession” are two completely different things. If you are going to demnstrate that the number of graduates is virtually unchanged, then why not provide the number of graduates? This is poor journalism and shoddy writing.

    Maybe it’s a dearth of journalism schools we should be lamenting…

    • Darrell

      Family law – at least in my law school – has a bit of reputation for being a dying area. It’s being taken over by professional mediators, some of whom are also lawyers but many of whom are not. Students would rather take corporate or IP tracks that will make them serious money than take a prohibitively expensive 3 year degree (plus one year articling and a bar admissions course) just to compete in the same space as mediators and paralegals. Moreover, cuts to legal aid funding have made practicing in the area much less lucrative – a lot of lawyers won’t accept legal aid certificates even when they get them because they don’t pay well, and the hours run out before the work is done.

      You also remember that there are schools in this country where a law degree runs $30,000 a year. While there may be a lot of people writing their LSATs and applying to law schools, there is only enough money to offer financial support to a certain number of them.

      The other reality is that a lot of Canadian law schools are packed to the gills as it is. Expanding them is costly, and naturally requires the faculty to expand as well. A great many law school courses are already taught by practicioners as it is. How many more can be recruited to accept teaching positions at new or expanded law schools in addition to their day jobs?

      • Mike T.

        this mostly makes a great deal of sense. also add in the rural factor mentioned in the article – no matter the need, I can’t see a great deal of money to be made in family law in a small town on the prairies.

        One thing law schools (esp. in large areas) won’t lack for is teachers, however. I imagine there are a lot of practitioners who would love to add a professorhood at Osgoode or U of T to their resumes. The quality of a practitioner/instructor may be another matter, but the supply would be there.

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  • apater

    The first thing we do, we legalize everything, then we won’t need to kill so many. ;-)

    Seriously though, it was not that long ago that there were articles going around about how our legal system has become so bureaucratic that we now have way more lawyers then any civilized country should need. A bit of the KISS principle would then resolve the issue.

  • http://prowsej.wordpress.com prowsej

    This article’s wrong on a number of issues, but I think this one’s important:

    The claim: the deregulation of tuition in Ontario in the 90s was bad for poor students
    The quote: “In Ontario, where law school tuition was deregulated in 1997, two-thirds of law students come from the wealthiest 40 per cent of families in the province, a 2004 study found, and just 10 per cent from the bottom 40.”
    The reality: Statistics Canada did a great study on what deregulating tuition did to the sociodemographic makeup of professional programs. The result: the percentage of students from the wealthiest and poorest families increased. It was the middle class that was squeezed out. That article, by focusing on the top and bottom 40 percent of income earners, misses the point that it’s the middle of that range that’s where the action is.

    Finally, the article doesn’t point out that the demographic makeup of law school classes is dependent on the demographics of undergraduate classes, and poorer Canadians are much less likely to get undergraduate degrees. And the reason for that isn’t financial: the percentage of students who don’t attend university (in general, not just professional programs) who report that money was a factor in their decision when surveyed: 9%. (Statscan) Looking exclusively at students with parents from the bottom income quartile, that number only goes up to 13.4%.

    Source 1: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11f0019m/11f0019m2005263-eng.pdf
    Source 2: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/070208/dq070208a-eng.htm

  • andrew

    Well two possibilities.

    1.Open the Legal market to foreigners with legal equivalent law studies
    2.Repeal the articlying requirement so then qualified candidate will be more attracted to the Canadian Lawyer Market.
    3.Waiver for interprovincial Lawyer profesionnal employment

    easy, what is weird is that we will need to wait the next 5 years before a change. That is the problem with over regulated profession.

    A canadian trained Law Student from abroad

  • BR

    “1.Open the Legal market to foreigners with legal equivalent law studies”

    While this might sound like a simple solution, the reality is that many legal skills simply aren’t transferable from one jurisdiction to another. Unless the foreign lawyer has been trained by a quality school from another common law jurisdiction, this is recipe for disaster.

    “2.Repeal the articlying requirement so then qualified candidate will be more attracted to the Canadian Lawyer Market.”

    Articling is hardly the primary barrier for those who want to become lawyers. It’s law schools where the bottleneck lies. And I seriously doubt many people are dissuaded from becoming lawyers because of the articling year. It is hardly a major hurdle to overcome.

    “3.Waiver for interprovincial Lawyer profesionnal employment”

    Lawyers can already transfer from one province to another (with the exception of Quebec) trivially easily. There are very few interprovincial barriers on lawyer employment.

  • Mike

    I agree with Andrew, articling should be scrapped. I’m a Canadian-trained lawyer who chose to start his career in New York, where passing the bar exam is the only requirement to join the profession. This is a phenomenon that the article fails to address — dozens of Canadian law students take high-paying jobs at big U.S. firms each year.

    With a favorable economy and exchange rate, these first-year associate positions offer the newly-minted graduate up to $100,000 more than they would receive as an articling student at Canada’s most prestigious Bay Street firms. Facing increasing student debts, these lucrative jobs are too good to refuse. Plus the lack of articling period means quicker access to the profession and job security (most Canadian law firms do not guarantee their articling students permanent positions once they become admitted).

    Canadians need to realize that they’re competing in an international market for legal professionals. The most competitive legal markets offer low barriers to entry, vastly higher salaries, and more significant legal work. With its much smaller economy, the only way for Canada to compete is to lower the debt loads of law graduates and eliminate the articling requirement.

    Boosting enrollment and eliminating articling at the same time would also foster innovation, forcing lawyers to compete for clients. This will put downward pressure on fees and provide greater access to legal services. Articling is an archaic institution that allows the legal establishment to shield itself from competition by playing gatekeeper.

    Articling cannot be justified on the basis of training. The American system ensures that lawyers are qualified by testing their substantive knowlege through a series of grueling examinations. In New York, for example, the exam is closed-book, with 40% of its questions being essays. The pass rate is approximately 70%. Conversely, the Ontario bar examinations are little more than a formality — open-book, multiple-choice tests with pass rates well over 90%.

    Having proven their substantive knowledge, Amercian lawyers acquire their practical skills like most other professionals — on the job. In spite of this, the quality of American legal services is at least on par with any other major economy.

    If Canada wants to keep more lawyers, it has to compete internationally. Canada must reduce the allure of salaries at big U.S. and U.K. firms by lowering the debt loads of law school graduates. And it must make the criteria for admission to the profession a solid substantive knowledge of the law, rather than a year-long training program controlled by the legal establishment, which has a vested interest in stifling competition for legal services. If a recent graduate can pass a tough bar exam, let them compete for clients right away.

    The result will be more lawyers and lower fees, and Canadians will benefit.

    • Mike T.

      Actually, law in Canada is pretty sedentary. As you point out yourself, the number of students who go to new york is measured only in the dozens – not an appreciable difference. And that’s about 90% of those practicing abroad.

      • Stu

        Sure…maybe only 200-300 of the 3000 law students that graduate from Canadian law schools every year go abroad to ply their trade – but I guarantee those that do are not our worst students, but a good chunk of our best. Talent follows the money – in ever industry – and that’s the real danger for the Canadian legal system, it needs to figure out how to hold on to its most promising young lawyers.

        • Mike T.

          Certainly those who leave will be a large number with the highest marks. But there won’t be that big a detriment to the system if Bay St. is forced to hire a few more A students instead of A+. Of all the problems facing the Canadian legal community, this is in absolutely no way one of them.

  • Tricia

    I worry that an increased number of spaces will mean lower qualifications necessary to get into law schools. Lower standards will snowball into lower quality graduates (law school is marked on the curve, so it would be possible to admit classes of lawyers who are all substandard and for them to stumble through together and graduate) and lower quality legal services.

    The impact of substandard lawyers on the legal profession and the cost of legal services is two-fold:
    1. firstly, all the lawyers will have to ensure that the fees that they bring in will cover off the hike in our professional insurance that will occur when we are paying out to cover off all the problems that these substandard lawyers cause;
    2. Secondly, an efficient lawyer who knows their stuff ultimately costs the client less. An inefficient , less qualified lawyer stumbling along will end up charging the client more in billable time and end up causing counsel on the other side of a file more time. Ever been accross a file with a lawyer who doesn’t know what they’re doing? It can be quite a roadblock to moving things forward efficiently.

    I’m ok with making more spaces available to law students, just as long as it doesn’t mean that overall quality will slip. What we need is more good lawyers, not just warm bodies.

    • Mike T.

      Skyrocketing tuition already killed it. There’s no way you can increase tuition 400% or more to $20,000+ and keep the same calibre of student.

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    • Louise

      ….With salaries like that on offer, who’d want to hang out a shingle in Kapuskasing?

      Well, we did!

      do you have lunch at home with your family? we do
      does it take you less than 20 minutes to get to work from your cottage? yes for us
      what is your mortgage for a condo? a 3 bedroom bungalow? a cottage? ours is surely 25% of yours
      while you are in your car for 2 hours a day, we ski, play hockey, play squash, have lunch with friends, play outside
      get it?
      quality of life my friends, is worth lots more than a rat race
      do come to visit us in Kapuskasing, life does not get any better..

  • http://www.advicescene.com Nancy Kinney

    Do we need more lawyers or should we all be lawyers?

    Tue Feb 3, 2009

    This week’s Maclean’s says that there is a lack of lawyers in this country, apparently due to the limited number of seats available in Canadian law schools–we’re not graduating enough law students each year to keep up with our growing population. That may be the case, but with our complex legal system don’t we all need to be lawyers?
    When I sat in law school, particularly in my first year, I remember thinking how I was receiving an education that all Canadians should have. It’s an education that is necessary in our complex legal system–a system designed to operate with lawyers; created by lawyers. In school I was uncomfortable knowing that the legal system, which is so incomprehensible for most people, creates barriers between those who have the information and those that don’t – it creates an uncomfortable and unnecessary elitist divide. Why should only lawyers know this stuff? What about the rest of us? Shouldn’t we all know what our rights are under the law? Shouldn’t we all know how to represent ourselves in a legal system under which we must all live?
    Someone might reply that life’s not fair (one of my lines), that’s just the way it goes, should everyone be doctors then? Yet the law isn’t like other professions–the law permeates every aspect of our lives. Everyone needs to know the basics of the law to survive in our legal system, yet you don’t need to know the basics of medicine to survive in the health care system–it takes care of you, with or without your own doctor. As it stands now, people not only need a lawyer to explain the law to them, they need a lawyer to protect them from the injustices of the system.
    Just think about that for a minute or two–we all must adhere to the law but only a select group of people is allowed to be educated about it–those that are accepted into the law schools each year. Does that seem right? Instead of creating a few more spots in the law schools how about getting a real legal education into all the schools? Or better yet, how about changing the legal system so that we don’t need a lawyer to inform and protect us?
    Taken from the “Thin Skull Blog”

    Nancy Kinney B.A., LL.B
    Founder of AdviceScene.com
    Democratizing the Law One Question at a Time

    • http://www.advicescene.com Trevor Paige

      I read the Thin Skull Blog and am more interested in the AdviceScene.com website. Finally – putting the law on the web. Can’t wait to see how the old school lawyers respond though I am willing to bet that the law students will be all over ‘on-line’ access to the law. The world has changed and access to information has changed but how will the legal system adapt?

      • http://www.advicescene.com Nancy Kinney

        Thanks for the positive comments Trevor. Yes, it is going to be interesting to see how lawyers react to the site. So far we’ve been able to attract a couple of very senior lawyers that are committed to ‘democratizing the law’ by answering legal questions on the forum. And yes, I expect law students to be very interested in collaborating with each other, lawyers, and the public to create a question-based ‘LawWiki.” I look forward to seeing you on the forum too.

    • Sam

      haha good one! why don't all the doctors and firefighters become lawyers too…and the lawyers will become doctors, etc. etc. everyone will do everything. Nancy, you are a genius. did you go to Bond?

      • Kathy

        Sam, you are quite the elitist.

  • Sherie McTaggart

    Being someone who has been forced by lawyer pickieness, or lack of interest, to learn the law and defend myself in court because most lawyers I met only wanted to ,” pick the dead bull ringer cases”, to further their careers and to do as little work as they can ,I am offended by this article that makes it appear that we need more lawyers. They seem to have a monopoly on the people who can not afford them. I apologize for not reading all the reasons why we need more lawyers in Canada but when I can not get one due to pickieness or lack of interest, it is a whole different story. It is my Constitutional Right to have legal representation. And have to this day I have not been able to have someone with experience do that for me( otherwise known as leagal representation). Nor can I find any help to do it myself. I am not a lawyer and it is all well and good for everyone to give reasons why the legal system is not working and of course we always need more of this and that but really, some lawyers need to get back to helping the people that need the help. The legal system should not be based on profit and loss but on protecting the rights of people without a cost attached, just the difference between right and wrong. I apoligize to those that I offend ,but we do not need anymore lawyers, just ones doing it for the right reason, for people who need it.

  • Amar B

    Agreed that the U.S. might have higher numbers of lawyer per capita, but it is a very litigious society, and that is a problem. There are frivolous lawsuits and actions that make the headlines all the time south of the border i.e a multi-million dollar settlement for a spilled coffee, but never seem to here. I think you see more ethical violations among lawyers there – perhaps there are simply too many?

    In this country, given how many lawyers are produced every year, and how corporatized law has become, the lack of adequate provision of legal services to the average citizen is a problem. Are more law schools the answer?A costly endeavour and perhaps a misallocation of resources.

    But if one insists on creating a new law school, why not affiliate it with a school in parts of the country that are under-served or under-represented, i.e. northwestern Ontario (I’m thinking Lakehead) or have expected population growth that might justify it? i.e why not McMaster University in Hamilton. TRU in Kamloops has plans for one. What about free tuition for law students who are then obliged to work in the public or non-profit sector for the first 10 years of their career?

    If anything we really need to open up law schools so they better reflect the society they purport to serve.

  • Sherrie

    An update to my post. I had my day in court and the judge was not impressed that I represented myself. I was found guilty and am now facing a fine of $5000.00 for renovating. Representing yourself does not always work especially when you are not aware of the procedure, not a lawyer and if you get a judge who is not impressed you are out of luck. I guess now I will give up eating so I can afford to hire a lawyer

  • http://www.dynamiclawyers.com/DL_blog Michael Carabash

    http://www.DynamicLawyers.com allows you to find a lawyer by making a post and getting quotes. We also offer lawyer-prepared and customizable legal forms with video tutorials and written guides. Finally, we give away tons of free legal information to help educate Canadians on the law (so they can understand and take advantage of it).

  • http://twitter.com/matwilson6 @matwilson6

    In principle, I am an Officer of the Court. I yield to no man, no expert, no God, no lawyer, no judge. The law is my master and my slave. I oppose all prejudice, bias, distortion, deception and every judge and lawyer who is influenced by the ignorance that is responIsible for producing every miscarriage of justice.

    The force of logic is my only guide and the truth is the only thing that every bigot will oppose, tooth and nails, to protect the facade that the interests of justice are being served.

    As long as lady justice stands alone, overwhelmed by prejudice, ignorance, bigotry and the inane assumptions that distort the truth, I am a force of logic and the only person who is in fact a worthy and legitimate, officer of the court. It is a hoax to think that lawyers are officers of the court who tell judges the truth, without evasion and locate relevant documents that are necessary and essential to the task of serving the interests of justice.

    Lawyers are what they do, and as long as they are not punished for facilitating miscarriages of justice, they do what they can get away with.

    I am a legitimate officer of the court because there is no compromise where truth and justice is concerned.

    http://ahabit.com/rule.htm

    Have you ever met a lawyer to deserves to be called an officer of the court? Please provide his or her name.

    And there's the challenge, provide me with the name and the telephone number of ONE person who deserves to be called a lawyer.

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