Conservatism is not the issue

by Andrew Coyne on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 11:20pm - 131 Comments

My recent piece on the federal budget as marking the end point of conservatism in Canada seems to have been the subject of some misinterpretation. Many people have taken it as a lament, as if this were something to be mourned. I rather thought I was just stating a fact.

I hold no particular brief for the Conservative Party of Canada. I was opposed to the party’s formation, preferring that Reform and the Progressive Conservatives should have remained separate parties that formed a strategic alliance — a coalition! — as European  parties do. Nor have I ever been able to see much point in conservatism, as such: why one would want to subscribe to a whole set of unrelated ideas simply because they all fell under the conservative label remains a mystery to me. It’s less an ideology than a grab-bag of habits and emotional leanings, not least the deep nervoses and resentments of a party that has lost too many elections.

The party/movement’s general predisposition towards user fees and private insurance in health care always struck me as simplistic (and not particularly market-oriented, properly understood), its willingness to rent itself out to the provinces in general, and Quebec in particular, has been terribly damaging to the country, and its refusal to deal seriously with global warming was blinkered and counter-productive. Over the years, I’ve had occasion to quarrel with conservatives over gay rights, immigration, drug policy, and the whole tangled archipelago of issues surrounding the Charter of Rights, the notwithstanding clause and judicial review.

But at least these were positions! Conservatives may have been wrong on these things, but anything’s better than a party that is incapable of being right or wrong, because it does not stand for anything. Conservatism may not be my thing, but it is for a lot of other people, and I grieve for their sake that the party they have invested so much of their hopes in has turned to such warm beer. And all Canadians, whatever their leanings, should wish for more balance and diversity in our political choices.

It’s a sad thing, too, that a party that once fiercely defended the rights and prerogatives of ordinary MPs and the party grassroots should have become such pliant captives of its leader — though as I argue in a forthcoming piece, the party has only itelf to blame for that. Harper has utterly had his way with them, abandoned everything the party ever stood for, and no one, not the caucus, not the membership, has uttered so much as a squawk. They have been his enablers.

And yes, I would prefer there were at least one party that understood market economics, that stood for balanced budgets, honest money, and freely set prices, undistorted by subsidies, quotas, tariffs, ceilings, floors, or tax preferences; that had a general preference for competition over monopoly, voluntarism over coercion, open systems over closed, unless a compelling case could be made to the contrary; and that understood their virtues not only in terms of efficiency, but of fairness, freedom and environmental stewardship. And so in that sense I have no party.

But then, I have no party in a lot of wayys — as, in fact, do a lot of Canadians. It isn’t just free marketers who haven’t got a party. Federalists have no party, in the sense of a party willing to defend the national interest against the pull of provincialism and Quebec nationalism. Democratic reformers have no party. Classical liberals (or as Barbara Frum used to call herself, “1950s liberals”), believers in the equal rights of every individual under the Charter — as opposed to group rights advocates, on the one hand, and Charterphobes, on the other — are no less bereft. There’s no party that stands for consumers, against exploitation by producer interests; for the jobless, against restrictive labour laws that prevent them from pricing themselves into work; for taxpayers, against the depredations of rent-seeking special interests; for property owners, against the marauding state. There’s just a vast gap in the Canadian political spectrum, or several of them, while the parties compete to see who can spend the most, devolve powers the fastest, pander most cravenly. Canadians think they live in a liberal, democratic, free-market federation, but there isn’t a party nowadays that believes in any of these things.

I don’t know. I suspect a lot of Canadians might be interested in a party that was all of these things: liberal, democratic, free-market, federalist, with a sensible commitment to equality and environmentalism thrown in for good measure. Yet our political system seems incapable of producing one. That’s worth a lament.

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  • http://bcinto.blogspot.com BCer in Toronto

    You’re projecting, Jarrid. But it’s OK. I know you’re hurting.

    • Jarrid

      The Conservatives leading by nine in the latest Angus Reid poll. I know that’s up 3 or 4 points for the Liberals since election day but still a looooong way to go for the Libs.

      Speaking of the Liberals, have they formed a new Coalition with the Danny Williams party which holds 7 seats in Newfoundland? The New Liberal party of Canada – staunch provincialists. Danny says dance and the Iggy dances.

      • http://bcinto.blogspot.com BCer in Toronto

        Not hurting in the polls, Jarrid. That may come. I don’t know. Not in the short-term though, I don’t think. But know, I meant hurting on the inside.

  • http://macleans.ca kc

    Ac how do you reconcile yr political hopes/w ish list with yr [ and mine] professed desire to see PR come about in this country? Will it be any more or less likey?

    • http://andrewcoyne.com Andrew Coyne

      That’s what the penultimate line is about. You’re not going to see real political choice in this country until we change the electoral system.

      • http://macleans.ca kc

        I agree. False majorities over a long period of yrs has cemented a kind of permanent political bitterness in our federal cons and consequently a sense of entitlement in libs – this coming from someone who admired Trudeau but has come to question what his successors have done with his legacy.

      • http://bcinto.blogspot.com BCer in Toronto

        That’s an in interesting point. I grant, yes, a reformed electoral system would lead to a greater diversity of parties campaigning on a range of policies instead of needing to cling desperately to the mushy middle to appeal to a broad base of voters, and they’ll win seats.

        But while we’d get a a diversity of choices, and even a diversity of elected choices, would we still see real conservative policy in Canada? I’m not sure. To form a coalition and govern, a majority of seats would still be needed. Now, a handful of conservative MPs, lets say Christian Heritage Party MPs, could exract certain concessions for supporting a governing coalition. But I think it would be very slow, incremental progress at best.

        At its core, I just don’t think Canada is a conservative country. So the other coalition members are only going to be willing, or able, to go so far accommodating the more conservative MPs. And they may find it easier to do business with more progressive members.

        • Alex B.

          Why, in 2009, do we still not have a legal way to voice displeasure with ALL the parties when we make the effort to go to our polling stations? Could ‘None of the Above’ have won the last election? If so, is that not a good baby-step for electoral reform? Would having reporters drill the ‘winner’ on why a large group of Canadians think none of our parties are fit to govern be more effective than a meaningless footnote at the end of coverage reporting on another drop in voter turnout?

          • Partisan non-partisan

            Or maybe we could just work to give every Canadian, in every riding, a vote that actually elects someone – with proportional representation! By joining the movement to renew our democracy – http://fairvote.ca

        • http://macleans.ca kc

          Slow and incremental yes, even boring [ i lived for a yr in Berlin, and their PR is very good but so boring. That could be just cultural] but i’m tired of what we have now. A bunch of self-righteous clowns who can’t put the national interest first since party rivalries dominate. 30% of the country is not nothing. cons will make out. Yr assuming that everyone else will vote as a block, they wont. People will consider issues more on it’s merits and less by idealogical labl.

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            Look at this another way. Let’s say you’re right. This is a liberal country, but don’t despair conservatives. In a PR govt a natural coalition would be one between libs& cons. Even if libs were the leading partner they would still need to keep cons happy to make the coalition work. If the libs don’t play ball then form another coalition with someone else. But you say, the libs will always have the upper hand. Not necessarily. If people have a real choice then the imperitives that drive moderate voters to line up liberal begin to breakdown. And folks who normally shun conservatives begin to consider their options because the old fears of a hidden agenda are greatly lessened. So, maybe no built in liberal bias. Think about it people voting their interests and not just playing let’s keep the baddies out. Sounds like paradise to me. Nah! Never happen in Canada eh!

          • KRB

            You’re right, in this and the post below, that PR would shake away some Liberal voters who only vote for them to stop the Conservatives. NDP voters will not jump to the Liberals, but will stay with the NDP and hope that they gain greater influence in any post-election coalition. That could very well make the Conservatives the long-term biggest bloc, and the overwhelming tradition in countries with PR and coalition government is that the biggest party usually assumes the top executive position (i.e. PM). I read somewhere (IIRC) that only twice in the past 100 years – or however long Holland has used PR – has the biggest party not been included in the government. That is the case in Sweden now, although the 4 right-of-centre parties formed a coalition alliance before the last election. Angela Merkel became Chancellor of Germany, even though Schroeder was the sitting Chancellor, and the SPD was still a part of the governing coalition.

            As for AC’s PC-Reform alliance, I don’t know how that would’ve fared. Perhaps voters would have rejected it as likely to mean dysfunctional government, or perhaps Eastern and Western voters (I will assume that the PC’s would contest the ridings in the East, and Reform would contest those in the West), who were thirsting for an alternative to Chretien would have come out to vote for “their” type of conservatism, in hopes of returning the bigger bloc between those two parties, that naturally would have meant winning the PM’s chair (assuming PC + Reform won a majority, or the biggest plurality bloc). Though would Joe Clark ever have gone for that?

        • Ti-Guy

          I’m staying out of this discussion, since I can’t for the life of me figure out what most “conservatives” mean by conservatism.

          I had always assumed that at particular periods in history, people would notice that social/economic changes had taken place (many for the better), thus establishing new benchmarks for what is considered arguably “normal.” A re-invigorated conservatism would then support any deviation from those benchmarks only with a great deal of caution and skepticism. Boy was I wrong. For too many conservatives, it seems to entail turning back the clock to a time that may never have existed and throwing out the baby with the bathwater. That’s not conservatism; that’s Maoism, with all the year-zero fantasies that entails.

          In my defense though, I never imagined conservative thinkers would turn out be as appallingly irrational as the ones we’ve had in the last few decades and never thought they’d ever be taking seriously by the news media.

          • Bill Simpson

            I agree that it’s not hard to get lost in the morass of social conservatism (which is as much about social engineering as anything on the left), but fiscal conservatism is pretty straightforward, and that is clearly been thrown overboard by Harper.

          • Ti-Guy

            I don’t why why fiscal conservatism was ever such a pressing issue to begin with for Harper. It was that long period of Liberal government that gave us an appreciable degree of that.

            What Harper threw overboard was limited government, but that never had any hope so long as a significant proportion of conservatives believe (and this is true, despite the denial) that true conservatism has to imposed by the State.

            The incongruity here is glaring and insoluble. All we ended up with is a type of movement conservatism that’s taking forever to acknowledge reality and is wasting a lot of our time and resources in the process.

      • Mike Balaski

        We need to find a way to abolish all political parties and adopt a consensus government as in the NWT and Nunavut. People would get elected on the basis of representation by population.

      • Vera

        Right on!

      • http://laurencemiall.com Laurence Miall

        yes! reform the electoral system NOW! our current system divides us, pitting province against province, region against region, and global problems — such as climate change — cannot be addressed because they’re left in the bailiwick of Alberta, whose sole concern is rape and pillage of their land to reap top $$$ for fat cat CEOs. Come to think of it, this requires a reopening of the constitution itself, doesn’t it. Well, why not?

    • http://nottawa.blogspot.com Mark

      I am not sure how you think PR will bring you a party that stands for all of those things. It may get you a several parties that stand for each of those things, however.

      I’m a fan of PR in the provinces. I like the notion of bringing real and genuine debate to our provincial legislatures rather than the flag-waving, colour-toting, vote-’em-out-when-you’re-tired-of’em farce that passes for democracy in most of them today.

      But federally, PR is a tough sell. Canadians, rightly or wrongly, are far more attached to their place than they are to any political ideology.

      I also find it astonishing that in this whole “how will the Newfoundland MPs vote” debacle which has unnecessarily preoccupied the media this week, not a single comunist or pundit has posed the hypothetical question of how this would have played out in a PR system. Suddenly, when MPs are shown to be repsonsive to the people in their ridings, hundreds of whom are swamping their offices with emails and phone calls, there’s no electoral reform advocates out to beat the drum saying they ought to answer to their party leadership instead. Most ironic, the NDP (who purport to want PR) are the first ones out the gate criticizing the notion that the Liberal party leadership might consider party unity or discipline.

      If you’re going to advocate PR the morning after every election result that you find distasteful, maybe you should suit up in its defense between elections too.

      Here’s a more reasonable reform that we could bring in to mitigate against provincialism:

      Hold our provincial and federal elections in tandem, as they do in most Western democracies. It would cut down on costs and force national parties to adopt national platforms and national messaging – fewer threats from the provincial despots, and less pandering from the feds.

      • http://nottawa.blogspot.com Mark

        that should read “columnist”, not “comunist”. I would never accuse you of being a “comunist”

      • http://macleans.ca kc

        Some gd ideas. Trying PR at a provincial level’s fine by me. Provincial politics are a parochial joke in this country. Witness Danny – no real opposition. His opponents are reduced to writing posts at..ahem… Macleans. I still bang the drum between elections for PR. It’s just that we don’t seem to care anyway. Yr tandem idea seems like a good one to me, but what do i know? Gotta go bang my drum now!

        • hosertohoosier

          “But then, I have no party in a lot of wayys — as, in fact, do a lot of Canadians. It isn’t just free marketers who haven’t got a party. Federalists have no party, in the sense of a party willing to defend the national interest against the pull of provincialism and Quebec nationalism. Democratic reformers have no party. Classical liberals (or as Barbara Frum used to call herself, “1950s liberals”), believers in the equal rights of every individual under the Charter — as opposed to group rights advocates, on the one hand, and Charterphobes, on the other — are no less bereft. There’s no party that stands for consumers, against exploitation by producer interests; for the jobless, against restrictive labour laws that prevent them from pricing themselves into work; for taxpayers, against the depredations of rent-seeking special interests; for property owners, against the marauding state.”

          Andrew Coyne makes a fair point, but an interesting counterpoint is that – despite lacking a party that stands up for those values, Canada does quite well on many of them. Indeed, this suggests a paradox to be explained: why do Canadians with no party to represent them to well, relative to other countries.

          1. The Fraser Institutes economic freedom index lists Canada as the 7th freest country, ahead of the United States for the first time in aeons. Yes, we have just launched into a large stimulus, but as a % of GDP it is smaller than many other advanced industrial countries – and our stimulus is from a position of balanced budgets, rather than pre-existing deficits.
          http://www.freetheworld.com/release.html

          2. When it comes to individual rights as well, one can make a strong case for Canada. We have gay marriage, and despite no blanket decriminalization, very liberal laws regarding possession of small amounts of marijuana. There are some group rights counterpoints, like our enshrinement of multiculturalism, and our policy towards natives, but even these are limited. Multiculturalism as a policy doesn’t really do many explicit things. Canadian aboriginal policy consequentially creates group rights, but largely has its origins in past treaties, and so is also contractarian. Canada is also 18th in press freedom, the highest ranked G8 country (sure, Denmark beats us, but what exactly of import goes on in Denmark worth covering up?).

          3. As for rent-seeking, Canada has comparably low agricultural tariffs, and a fairly minimal military industrial complex (which tends to involve effective subsidization of particular firms).

          I would go so far as to argue that with proportional representation, and a party system where those interests had parties, you would get WORSE, not better outcomes on those fronts. In plurality voting, swing voters are king. The parts of the country where the above ideals are strongest – the 905 and parts of British Columbia – are swing regions precisely because there is no “free market” party, making those voters the belles of the ball.

          Under PR, those regions of the country would presumably have some party close to their values. That party would be far from a majority – rather it would be a bit player like the Free Democrats in Germany. Occasionally forming coalition governments with other parties. Iversen and Soskice (APSR 2006) make the case that this is part of why PR democracies redistribute vastly more wealth – despite having parties like the Free Democrats, Progress Party or the UDF.

          Iversen and Soskice develop a model with three social classes, L, M and H. In first-past-the-post systems, you get broad representative parties – LM (rich and lower, the left) form one, HM (rich and middle, the right) another. Yes there are other parties in Canada, but they have no chance of forming government. Middle class voters are more likely to fear the LM party, which can redistribute wealth through taxes away from L and M voters towards the poor. Since the MH party can only cut taxes, the worst it can do is eliminate redistributive effects. Thus, under FPTP, there is a bias to the right. Under PR, L, M and H have separate parties. M is not afraid that L will radically redistribute, because it can negotiate with L in the coalition-formation stage. They can agree to soak the rich, for the benefit of L and M. By contrast, under FPTP there is always the risk that L will take full control of the party. They then show this with some statistical regressions.

          So what is my point? Representation (voice) is not the best defense a citizen has. Rather, it is fickleness – the threat of exit – that makes any group of people influential, particularly in a political system where small shifts of the vote can yield large policy u-turns. The things Coyne laments about, are well-served in Canada (compared to the rest of the world) precisely because they are poorly represented. Does that mean we will never have a charismatic pseudo-libertarian champion? Probably. I think Mike Harris is as close as we will get, and even he had to cloak his actions in populism.

      • Partisan non-partisan

        Mark’s comment is so misinformed that it needs a reply/rebuttal.

        First, I think that it is ridiculous to imagine how the past week would have went under a PR system. Why? Because I think that it is quite likely that we would have a very different government under PR, that is one led by the Liberal Party with the support of the NDP and the Greens.

        Or would the Liberals form a grand coalition with the Conservatives to keep out the “socialists”? I doubt they could if they wanted to maintain credibility with Canadians after another election under “you have to vote for us because we’re the only people who can save Canada from the CONSERVATIVE COUNTRY DESTROYERS” platform.

        But of course talking about elections under hypothetical alternative electoral systems is bunk, because electoral reform changes the incentives for parties, activists and voters, so that the party system would not be static under a new voting system.

        Second, I have yet to meet someone active in the electoral reform movement who thinks that all MPs should be forced to vote with party leadership. Indeed, some advocates, like former Fair Vote VP Rick Anderson, are strong proponents of more free votes in the legislature. It is unfair and untrue to state that electoral reform advocates support the centralization of power in party leader’s offices that has occurred under our current electoral system. In fact, many of them support PR because they can see how PR legislatures are LESS executive dominated than Westminster-type parliamentary systems.

        Third, please cite countries that hold state and federal elections at the same time. Off the top of my head, I can think of way more that DON’T have simultaneous elections.

        But a PR critic couldn’t be totally ignorant about comparative politics, I’ve never seen that before ….

        • http://nottawa.blogspot.com Mark

          I’m not a critic of PR in general – I just don’t think it’s consistent with the concepts of representative democracy, or Canadian federalism.

          Under PR, MPs have no constituents, and their selection to parliament is determined by party internal party processes.

          My argument is that while it is a shame that certain parties or ideeologies aren’t represented in the House of Commons, it would be an even bigger shame if communities weren’t. Whether you like it or not, there are 308 ridings in this country. And you cannot convince me that the majority of Canadians are more attached to some notion of partisanship or of ideology than they are to their community. That might be true in urban Canada, and it might eventually be the case as a result of technology’s impact on our concept of what a “community” really is. But in the meantime, I do not think it is an extreme burden to place on political parties in this country that in order to gain representation in the House of Commons they must sufficiently convince a pluarlity of voters in any one out of 308 such communities that there’s ideas are representative of them.

          As for the state v. national elections, maybe that’s a red herring. But if you really want an example the most pbvious one is on our doorstep.

          In a country as diverse as ours, brokerage has served us well for nearly 150 years. There’s nothing unhealthy about that brokerage taking place at the community level, rather than as a result of constant brinksmanship in the legislature.

          I think PR might be a welcome experiment in any of the provinces. Heck – maybe it would spread.

          But nationally, I would far prefer other reforms – like run-offs, the requirement of 50%plus one in every riding, more free votes, and above all – an equal senate.

          I also resent the notion espoused that if you are against PR you are by definition against electoral reform. Back to my original question – perhaps rephrased – how do MPs represent constituents when they don’t have consitutencies?

          • Partisan non-partisan

            So if PR is not consistent with representative democracy, then what are most Western democracies, including all those of Western mainland Europe?

            You say that under PR MPs “have no constituents” and that their “selection to parliament is determined by internal party processes”.

            You are either a) ignorant of how PR works in the real world, b) being obtuse or c) being disingenous. I’m going to be charitable, assume it’s a) and explain why you’re wrong.

            First, let us not distort the truth that most Canadian MPs are sent to the House of Commons by virtue of “internal party processes”. The majority of Canadian ridings are safe seats and the MP is essentially elected by their local riding association. Why does Rob Anders hold on to Calgary West? Surely, you know of a Liberal or two who wins election based on the party label, rather than their own reputation/good works. But I must admit that I’m a little confused as to why I should have to explain this to former Martin Liberal.

            Second, legislators in PR countries most certainly know who their constituents are. Do you think that a member of the Dutch Tweede Kamer (a PR-list system) does not know the kind of voters that sent them to parliament? Or that members of the New Zealand House of Representatives or the German Bundestag (both elected using mixed-member proportional, MMP, electoral systems), even the “list” members, do not have voters in their local area that they see as their supporters that sent them to parliament? Did you realize that the mechanics of MMP (where list members are largely from opposition parties) means that list members face an incentive of building a geographically concentrated base of support (should their party become popular and not elect as many list members).

            Third, you are correct that legislators in PR countries gain their position based upon “internal party processes”. Setting aside that this is true under our current electoral system, it is fallacious to assert that candidate selection processes under PR systems are any less democratic. Indeed, as a Liberal activist and political observer, you likely know many stories of nomination meeting shenanigans that might not be termed “democratic”. I am no expert on PR candidate selection processes, but I have seen no evidence that they are any more subject to elite control or special interest influence.

            Finally, I would like to address the essential of your argument, which I argue is based on “the ideology of local representation”. There is a great dissection of this in UVic poli sci prof Dennis Pilon’s book “The Politics of Voting”, pages 140-143. Basically, it is argued that “the ideology of local representation” results from complacent academics who passively accept its functional importance in voting decisions and by self-interested politicians who vigorously defend their “representation” of their local riding.

            As an aside, I think it is fair to note that the “local representation” provided by our current political system has led to record low voter turnouts, increasing cynicism and lack of respect for politicians.

            However, when voters are asked about the reasons that motivate their voting decisions, they overwhelmingly cite the party as the primary reason for their vote and are much more knowledge about party leaders compared to local candidates. As a result, I think it is much more important for Canadian democracy that party preference be more fairly reflected in parliament.

          • http://nottawa.blogspot.com Mark

            (replying to myself in hopes that this lines up as a reply to “Partisan non Partisan”)

            Newsflash – we don’t live in a unitary state. We aren’t (for the most part) Dutch, and nor are we German. The Dutch may identify with and squabble about ideology – my premise is that Canadians (for better or for worse) are for more attached to, and divided by, geography. I would go so far as to argue that in our political culture geography IS ideology.

            Go to my home riding and tell the people there that their next MP is going to come from somewhere other than there, based on the prioritization of a list made by a bunch of party hacks in Ottawa. (full disclosure – I was for a longtime a readily identifiable party hack in Ottawa)

            As for Rob Anders, if 50% plus one of the people in his riding want to vote for him, so be it. I may think the guy is a dolt, but I don’t have the right to impose my preference on the people of his riding. If he’s winning with less than 50% plus one, then I stand by my earlier comments about run-offs or even preferential ballots. I agree with you about the shortcomings of FPTP. I just think that PR is an equally flawed response.

            But now that you’re throwing MMP into the mix, then that is a much, much preferable to any straight PR system. The Senate, for example, would be the ideal place for those mixed members to go.

          • http://nottawa.blogspot.com Mark

            Yes – an MP is chosen as a candidate by an internal party process. But the final decision on whether or not that MP goes to Parliament rests in the hands of our voters in our current system. If the party chooses a candidate that the local riding does not like, they can vote for another.

            Under PR that final decision is made by a bunch of list-mongers. Not by the elecorate.
            It’s why it’s always so fun to watch people decry “back room politics” in one breath, and swear by it in the next.

            And also – I’d love to see your causal link between our system of local representation and low voter turnout.

          • realdemocrat

            Neither commentators have considered the merits of the Single Transferrable Vote system which will be put before BC voters for the second time in May (after receiving 57.5% voter support in the first referendum). It is a voting system in which the vote count is beyond a lot of people’s mathematical skills, but which does achieve proportional results, geographic representation and diminished control of party hacks.

  • http://mostlyfree.blogspot.com Janet

    That’s right Jarrid. In 2007 when the budget was filled with program spending in the guise of targeted tax cuts, it just wasn’t the right time.

    In 2008 when the Conservatives could have passed anything they wanted and had to engineer their own demise to get an election and the conservative agenda failed to materialize again, Conservatives just had to wait a little while longer. More building needs to be done before Canada can be conservative! It’s not abandoning principles, it’s just doing what has to be done.

    And finally, in 2009, you just have to wait *a little bit longer* while we all run around like chickens with our heads cut off panicking about a Coalition that was never going to materialize with a serious Liberal leader at the helm of the party.

    But don’t worry. I’m sure *next* time they’ll come through… but you might not want to hold your breath.

    The Liberals are indeed a party that tries to please everyone and stands for nothing, but that doesn’t mean the Conservatives haven’t become exactly the same thing.

    • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

      Waiting for Godot, CPC Edition?

      • Shenping

        Harper as Estragon esp. at the beginning of Act II. His boots would be CPC policy.

      • TJ Cook

        Less Waiting for Godot and more Waiting for Guffman.

  • http://unambig.wordpress.com Raphael Alexander

    Andrew,

    Your analysis of the recent budget debacle has been incredibly insightful. I think, too, that your lament for a lack of real stewardship on any single issues other than the accruing of power is shared by many. I’ve been considering myself a small-c fiscal conservative for a few years now, having slowly changed my views from one which believed in the socialist-capitalist hybrid system we have, to one who believes that we must minimize the public control of the economy, and perhaps more importantly, our lives. I lament that we do not have any principled politicians who take a stand on an issues important to people, but only seek to maintain power through the control of image manipulation.

    People are also not so narrowly defined by an ideology as ambiguous as “conservatism” either. I have strong socially liberal, or libertarian, views on how our society should be managed, while believing in small, responsible, transparent, and ultimately responsive government. Despite the high sounding words from the current government, we have not seen this delivery. We are asked to wait for a small sign of even one of these important principles, whilst watching the House of Commons degenerate into watered down versions of ideas and values, whipped by the party, and enforced with brutal and swift response to dissidents.

    We do not elect ideals and ideologues, but only powerful interests and corporate party structures that seek to control power through controlling the message. Perhaps it was naive to have ever thought differently, but then, perhaps I am not quite realistic enough for politics.

  • http://macleans.ca kc

    As a liberal i look forward to the day when we in Canada can elect cons in DT Toronto and Montreal, NDP or Greens in Quebec city, libs in Calgary. Maybe even a couple of Rhinos to keep everyone happy. It’s not a commie plot Canada. it’s done allover the world everyday. Or we can keep on doing it the old way, after all, it’s working so well now isn’t it?

  • Mulletaur

    “And yes, I would prefer there were at least one party that understood market economics, that stood for balanced budgets, honest money, and freely set prices, undistorted by subsidies, quotas, tariffs, ceilings, floors, or tax preferences; that had a general preference for competition over monopoly, voluntarism over coercion, open systems over closed, unless a compelling case could be made to the contrary; and that understood their virtues not only in terms of efficiency, but of fairness, freedom and environmental stewardship. And so in that sense I have no party.”

    If you are going to lead a debate like this, please start with a bit of intellectual honesty. This is exactly what the Liberal Party of Canada stood for under Chretien and Martin. You never supported them or the party. What total tripe.

    • http://andrewcoyne.com Andrew Coyne

      I think if you look back you will find I gave them plenty of support, where we were in agreement. I applauded the 1995 budget, and I was one of Chretien’s few media defenders on constitutional questions: social union, Clarity, “the constitution is not a general store” etc

    • S

      I had the same thought — this was the Chretien Liberals right?

      But it also wasn’t that far off from the Harris Conservatives in Ontario.

      I’m somewhere in the middle of those two. I voted for both. I don’t have a party anymore.

  • Sisyphus

    Sigh …. sounds like it’s time to go to Mozambique and start over …

    • http://macleans.ca kc

      Why? Are they sane there, or just saner than here. Oh! I think i’ve answered that one. Wants some help getting started?

  • Meany

    Your (accurate) observations depress me.

  • Gary

    I don’t think the comment about the “Charterphobes” passes the smell test. The Charter that you put on a pedestal, Andrew, has a great many nods to group rights, as you well know; it isn’t entirely about the equal rights of every individual, as both the text and its subsequent interpretation keep revealing. it is not a document that classical liberals should obviously get behind — nor is it obvious why “1950s liberals” should be so attached to a document from the 1980s.

    While I’d love to see more individual freedom in Canadian society, it would necessarily come at some cost to social equality. That’s generally understood, and that’s why political parties strike compromises or are simply vague about such things. A party that insists on being classically liberal “with a sensible commitment to equality” will probably in the end have to choose; a party that values democracy will have issues with a Charter that makes Parliament subservient to itself; and the question of how to square free-market values with environmentalism is one lots of voters, not just politicians, have struggled with. Also, when did “federalist” come to mean a believer in the supremacy of the national government? It has to this point meant the opposite, right?

    • http://macleans.ca kc

      Parliament is not subservient to the charter. If laws are struck down parliament always has the option to ammend and rewrite. In fact the courts have complained that parliament has shirked some hard decisions and simply abdicated its responsibilities in favour of the courts.

      • KRB

        But that’s just it. Hardly any government (and no federal one) wants to bring in statute law or use the notwithstanding clause to override a court decision involving the Charter. It’s a total abdication of Parliament’s responsibilities, but that’s been par for the course for ages now. Everyone is so deathly afraid of telling hard truths to the people of Canada, that the place has become paralyzed in the face of any truly serious debateable point.

        Our media play a great role and disservice to Canadians in all of this by constantly running truly idiotic pieces that take the tack of someone who just landed on this Earth yesterday. One day it’s Harper the control-freak ideologue, replete with pining for a more flexible leader. Then if he shows any of that requested flexibility, next it’s Harper has no principles, and is doing anything to hold onto power. It’s constant heads-they-win, tails-you-lose. But the biggest loser in it all is the Canadian electorate, who get zero context from the people whose job it is to be covering events up in Ottawa FOR that electorate. It’s amateur hour all around, and leads to a sense that we are not yet a serious and mature country.

        As for AC’s “end of conservatism” piece … I think it’s well-known by now that AC has a tendency once a year or so to go totally overboard in his reaction to a big story of the day.

        • http://macleans.ca kc

          I’m sorry but blaming the charter and or the media [ dispite its love of gotcha and 2nd guessing -which is basically their job disciption ] for parliaments and this PMs lack of coherent leadership is a cop-out.

          • Gary

            That’s not really the only issue here, kc. Once, we had laws written by a democratically elected parliament; now they are made in many cases by the Supreme Court justices, as per a Charter that no Canadian voted for. The loss to democracy there, and the relative rise of the judiciary and legal experts, is undisputable, no?

            And in the case of gay marriage, to take one example, there was simply no option to amend or rewrite the legislation, given that the high court had already indicated what it wanted the law to mean. I suppose Parliament could provoke a constitutional crisis by defying the courts, but it seems unlikely the MPs would triumph. What’s more, Parliaments will amend their works and admit mistakes rather more frequently than the high court — judges being one of the few groups more hubristic than politicians. The courts’ decisions (undebated in public) can throw the system into chaos — remember Regina v. Feeney, which freed a murderer so the justices could invent a new Canadian right?

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            Sorry Gary, but the beast ate my earlier post. In a nutshell we did choose the charter since we are a representitive democracy. And yes a little more explaining and less priestly stuff would be welcome.lastly there was no golden age pre-charter -think of our dreadful treatment of Aboriginals, all care of our free parliament.

    • Francien Verhoeven

      “While I’d love to see more individual freedom in Canadian society, it would necessarily come at some cost to social equality. That’s generally understood,”

      ——————————-

      I don’t think that’s understood at all !! Generally or otherwise.

      I would bet that most within our Canadian society (as within other societies likewise) could not handle individual freedom. If we would be able to handle individual freedom, it would NOT come as a cost to social equality. In fact, being able to handle individual freedom truthfully would be THE cure toward social equality.

  • Francien Verhoeven

    Andrew,

    “Canadians think they live in a liberal, democratic, free-market federation, but there isn’t a party nowadays that believes in any of these things.

    I don’t know. I suspect a lot of Canadians might be interested in a party that was all of these things: liberal, democratic, free-market, federalist, with a sensible commitment to equality and environmentalism thrown in for good measure. Yet our political system seems incapable of producing it. That’s worth a lament. ”

    I would suggest to take off from where you’ve finished: take off, for a change, by trying to unravel the average voter. What is it that the average voter expects from a democratic system, or, what is it that the average voter expects from our politicians? Trying to answer those sorts of questions might bring about a lot more than is worth one’s lament!

    I believe the concept ‘democracy’ has lost its understanding. This misunderstanding forms the basic problem for politician and voter alike. Here, in our modern world (and I could be sullying the understanding of ‘democracy’ already by not referring to a post-modern world instead!), we, collectively, must come to agree within a clarified and renewed understanding of democracies at large.

    Electoral changes within our system, or any other system, would only band-aid the deep wounds our democracies have to show for. Band-aids won’t stop the blood seeping forth from such deep, and self inflicted, wounds.

    For far too long we have traded in common sense for overvalued expertise.

    Or, let me put it another way: who, here, gets goosebumps when hearing or when singing our National anthem? Who, nowadays, truly believes that a nation is partly as an extension of the self?

    I am not talking about pathetic patriotism; I am talking about feeling sheer love for one’s country.

  • Francien Verhoeven

    Andrew, you say: “Nor have I ever been able to see much point in conservatism, as such: why one would want to subscribe to a whole set of unrelated ideas simply because they all fell under the conservative label remains a mystery to me.”
    ————————————————-

    I thought Tasha Kheiriddin had shared a rather stark observation, namely that: “But this isn’t a debate about ideology. Any student of history knows that conservatism is actually a reaction against ideological excess. [...]”

    She goes on to say:

    “Conservatism provides an approach to solving public policy problems based on experience, tradition and prudence. It rejects the socialist notion that man — or his society — can be remade by government. ” (NP Feb. 2)

    Could her remarks be used for starting to unravel your perceived ‘mystery’? I would think so. It would be a very good start indeed.

    • Shenping

      Generally, the textbook answer is that conservatism is a reaction against liberalism, which itself was a reaction against feudalism. Socialism is a reaction to the perceived failure of liberalism.

      The main argument of classical liberalism (post-Hobbes) is that in feudal society, man was a product of his society, and government’s role was to enforce this process. Liberals wanted man to be free of the limitations imposed by government. Conservatives wanted government to keep restricting individuals. At this time, of course, whoever had the biggest army was the government, and the knights only followed royalty.

      Anyhoo, come the 19th century, feudalism’s long gone, the government isn’t repressing individuals, but the socialists think individuals still aren’t free, being restricted by wealthy commoners (capitalists). They believed governments should prevent capitalists from restricting the rights of individuals.

      Wonderful thing, textbooks. Don’t believe everything written in them, but at least read the dang things. How do they get through J-School without at least one PoliSci class?

      By mid-20th century, nobody knows what ideology they are. Everything’s been tried & failed. Governments were falling to socialist ideologies, so both the liberals & conservatives started looking at “welfare state” policies to save their butts. Keynesianism was designed to be a slightly more proactive version of “let them eat cake”, except that the government should give them the ingredients. Keep the working class working for the capitalists, but make their lives good enough that they don’t become socialists.

      Right now we have neoconservativism, which is a reaction against Keynesianism, and libertarianism, which is a lot like classical liberalism with added gun ownership & bad hygiene. The rest of us don’t know what we are, because every ideology has failed us. We are living through the failure of neoconservatism & even its gurus like PMSH know it.

      Nobody’s a liberal these days. This whole Liberal-equals-godless-commie meme is a product of the American neoconservative military-industrial complex propaganda. Conservatives are afraid to be conservatives. Libertarians are afraid of everything that isn’t just like mommy made it.

      If reality starts to look like it makes sense & follows rules (kind of like an ideology), that just means you’re not really looking at it. Give me a competent non-ideological government over one of any ideology any day. The Taliban had ideology. Lots & lots of ideology. Don’t want to live under the Taliban.

      • Cdn in Europe

        Excellent, Shenping. Post of the day.

  • Francien Verhoeven

    One last note before I turn myself in:

    :)

    “Civil liberty, the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court has written, means liberty of a citizen, not the abstract liberty of an individual in a state of nature.”
    (Out of The Lesser Evil, Ignatieff, but I think Mr.Harper would whole heartedly agree with the sentiment quoted above. Wouldn’t you agree?)

  • CJ Cregg

    Wait, so you’re not a Conservative Andrew?! Tell me it’s true!

  • PolJunkie

    “Yet our political system seems incapable of producing one. That’s worth a lament.”

    Is it the political system that is the problem or is it that purism is just not possible once a party makes it to the government side of the Commons?

  • http://members.shaw.ca/nspector4 Norman Spector

    Andrew: As a fellow non-member of the Conservative Party, but one who supported the amalgamation in order to halt our decline into a one-party state, here’s a blog post I wrote on budget day that may also explain to a degree your position:

    Betrayal. Flip-flop. 180 degree turn. Just some of the terms that are being used to describe today’s budget.

    Nevertheless, and without challenging the appropriateness of these descriptions, I expect that fiscal conservatives will accept what they never in their lives imagined a Stephen Harper government would deliver — a return to huge deficit spending. Just as social conservatives have accepted Mr.
    Harper’s deep-sixing of efforts to put abortion back onto the public agenda.
    And just as his Alberta base accepted recognition of the Québécois nation.

    The explanation is simple: what unites Conservatives above all is their disdain for the Liberals, otherwise known as the natural governing party.

    For Brian Mulroney’s Conservative Party, the motivation was primarily one of envy — and Mr. Mulroney skilfully played to the desire of lawyers and lobbyists for a turn at the trough. That sentiment is not entirely absent in Mr. Harper’s Conservative Party, but it’s subordinated to a genuine disgust at the sense of entitlement that comes with one-party rule. And, for those inclined to forget quickly what life was like under three successive majority Liberal governments, a very un-Obama like decision of Michael Ignatieff, reported in yesterday’s La Presse, will remind them of the
    alternative:

    “Don Boudria will begin serving today as Michael Ignatieff’s adviser on parliamentary strategy. … Mr Boudria says he will deregister as a lobbyist for all his clients as soon as possible for the duration of his assignment with Mr. Ignatieff … which he expects will be no longer than two months.”.”

    • PolJunkie

      Well, at least Spector can be credited for bluntly saying that this is and has always been about sticking it to the Liberals.

      What Spector seems to fail to understand is that conservatives everywhere are now wondering if, after sidelining the Liberals, things have improved much under the Harper regime.

      All this plotting, all this money spent on attack ads to discredit the “Liberal enemy” and for what? A return to deficits and a budget that surpasses what the “Liberal enemy” has put forth in the past?

      • Gaunilon

        What was people’s problem with the original article? Coyne presented a thesis and argued it. As always, he argued it well. I disagreed with many of his conclusions, largely based on the premises from which he began, but I don’t see why anyone would have any objection to the article per se.

        Unless, of course, Canadians are becoming intolerant of disagreement….hmmm…

      • Cdn in Europe

        PolJunkie:

        Yep. Suckahzz!

        Hatred and anger against the “goddamn Liberals” was never more than a tool to enable the other crew of power-crazed egomaniacs to bogus their way to power. For most politicians, power — recognition, limos, State ceremonies, giving speeches, and above all, applause — are the real aims. Most politicians I’ve met aren’t really all that interested in public policy per se. The narratives they sell are incidental. They simply borrow whatever narrative is dominant within the political subculture their personal history has caused them to happen to affiliate with, and compete to see who is best at the combination of pandering-to-the-narrative (regurgitating the narrative’s key talking points) and organizing campaigns to pack delegate selection meetings. It’s these two skills which, together, determine one’s relative power in a political movement within a representative democracy.

        Policy has very little to do with it. As one prominent political organizer once said to me, when I was taking my duties as a Riding policy chair too seriously: “Policy, schmolicy. Policy is something you worry about once you’re in Cabinet.” — and at that point it’s all about interest brokerage, rewarding your friends, punishing your opponents, calculating advantage.

        In a broad sense, it’s just as well. Ideology just leads to crazy policy. Lenin, Hitler, and Pol Pot drove their regimes on ideology. Pragmatism is less prone to creating mega-disasters.

    • http://macleans.ca kc

      N.Spector
      One question you didn’t bother to address is if life under the NGP was so heinous, then why an earth should Canadians simply accept another one. Oddly SH doesn’t like this question either.

      • http://members.shaw.ca/nspector4 Norman Spector

        I can understand why Harper may not want to answer the question, but I don’t mind it at all. In fact, I’ve written that a competitive party system requires regular alternation.

        • http://macleans.ca kc

          So ican take it as given that you don’t dream of the death of the liberals. Unfortunately far to many cons do. Mr Hs stated preference for a 2 way con/ n

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            sorry – con/ndp split is disingenuous at best.
            What are the chances of PR coming to BC with the next election? This would be a very welcome pilot project , or at least a start to modernize our creaky system wouldn’t you say?

  • Francien Verhoeven

    Political systems versus purisms?

    Liberal versus Conservatives?

    Or, being liberal versus being conservative?

    Just because the Liberal party happens to have the name ‘liberal’ attached does not automatically mean that the party members are liberal. Perhaps we should shed that notion first and foremost. It is not so much that the conservative mindset is against the Liberal party by disdain, but by impression that Liberal automatically stands for liberal. Such confusion, I believe, can be traced back to the changed notion of what individual freedom really stands for.

    Individual freedom stands for individual freedom to make choices.

    Making choices means one has to be able to be reasonable. For when one is reasonable, one is then able to stick with the choice one has made. We are judged upon our actions, not our thoughts.

    I think in words, Mr.Ignatieff has been praised for being an intellectual and for having great potential. Yet, the real test will be how Mr.Ignatieff will be able to transform theoretical liberal thoughts into practical liberal actions.

    Mr.Ignatieff, too, will have to make choices. And if it is true that he appointed Don Boudria to serve as adviser on parliamentary strategy while still being a lobbyist, then such appointment is Mr.Ignatieff’s choice.

    The voter must then wonder if Mr.Ignatieff has been reasonable, whether he has been able to put the theoretical liberal thoughts into practical liberal action, or if Mr.Ignatieff’s theoretical thoughts differ from his practical actions.

    To be praised into the heavens for having written several books on human rights and so forth, while not being able to put those words into matching actions, must be seriously considered. And if we, as the voting public, are not aware of the difference then we are to blame equally for letting the political process down.

    Individual freedom, the possibility to make choices, is very much related to the idea of conservatism. We have to understand the meaning of individual freedom before we can talk about the subject any further.

    Individual freedom does not mean doing as one wishes; individual freedom simply means that choices have consequences. And btw, not making any choices is a choice also, and the consequences arising out of making no decisions are also real.

    • J@ck M!tchell

      Good post. I think there can’t be any doubt that, theoretically at least, Ignatieff is a classic small-l liberal. For instance, he wrote the definitive book about Isaiah Berlin.

      • Francien Verhoeven

        Yeah, well, he may be up to speed on Mr.Berlin, but what does it mean if Mr.Ignatieff’s actions point in other less liberal directions? Well, it means that he will still be considered leader of the Liberal party. What then, does the liberal within Liberal stand for?

        • J@ck M!tchell

          Well, he’s only been leader for a few weeks. I guess we’ll find out before too long.

  • Francien Verhoeven

    Individual freedom automatically looks at the collective, or the common good, for if the common good is not served well, individual freedom is also severely undermined.

    When one makes individual choices, one is automatically confronted with the other. I don’t try and say this in a sappy manner. But I seriously believe that if we will not consider the other we will not come to consider ourselves. For what is dished out to the other will ultimately be dished out to the self in turn. We see that in our daily lives and we see that happen within political life. There is to be no difference in that regard.

    And so, yes, emphasis on the common good is essential for liberals and conservatives alike. Both parties, in essense, approach the direction toward the common good as coming out of the individual, while perhaps the NDP starts off its approach by insisting the collective comes first and the well being of the individual appears out of that. But those are differences of approach, each approach offering a valid argument.

    Typically, voters either associate themselves with one approach over another.

    My voting preference is based on the belief that the individual approach toward the common good will be more effective. But that means a heavier burden is placed onto the individual voter, for the individual voter needs to be informed in order to sift through the contradictions and confusions. In other words, for the individual to approach the common good, one needs to come and understand the other. Coming to understand the other is not always easy.

    For a lot of people it would be much easier if the common good is served first and foremost by a few individuals (so called leaders) who will then somehow secure the individual freedom for all. That could work also. But personally I am a bit leery about having a few individuals (so called leaders) set the tone for all.

    • Bill Simpson

      I think there is a very clear difference between liberals and conservatives: liberals believe that government should be an agent of change for social and economic purposes, while conservatives (with some exceptions) do not. In this sense the liberals are on the same side as the NDP.

      A stimulus package of the kind introduced by Harper is clearly an artifact of liberal economic beliefs – not conservative.

      • Francien Verhoeven

        Bill,

        We clearly disagree on that point ( the Liberals being more like the NDP).

        Take, for instance, the 50 billion dollar cuts proposed to businesses and see what happened during the past election.
        For the NDP, the objection to the cuts was clearly coming from that collective approach, namely to have the collective (the businesses in this case) clear the path for the individual. According to the NDP, taxes being paid by businesses are first and foremost a direction toward the common good.

        Whereas the Liberals and Conservative clearly see the individual aspect within businesses first and foremost, and when such individual endeavours play out well, the collective will be served accordingly.

        It was therefore so ironic to see Jack side with the Liberals when agreeing to the cuts (in contrast to having opposed them during the elections) in order to be able to form the coalition agreement. But in reality, Jack had moved closer to the Conservative and the Liberal side when making that decision, yet, Jack’s agreement to the coalition was for being against the Conservatives, for replacing the Conservative government.

        We need to see these bigger treads. Why had Jack opposed the tax cuts to businesses during the past election (and it had been a major plank! if not the biggest one). Because such approach is exactly what gets him his core votes, namely the ones who believe in the collective first.

        Now, when the Conservative government handed the banks (businesses also) some relief by easing up credit, and the banks in turn were most reluctant to spread this ‘ease’ onward (to the average consumer, being the individual in turn), the Conservative government criticised the banks for a good reason; if businesses are regarded as individual endeavours first and foremost, and if the government is willing to ease some of their burdens but such easement is then not passed into the system, the businesses do not live up to their end of the bargain, namely considering themselves to be individually responsible for seeing their businesses expand, thereby being of service to the collective.

        Jack and the banks wanted it both ways, and that is the clincher: you cannot have it both ways, ever.

  • hosertohoosier

    Applying the above to Canada:
    For the record, the Liberals are not really an L party. Canada has historically had two MH parties, the Tories and Liberals.

    For instance, from the 1993 federal election survey the Tories and Liberals were similar in income distribution. Only the NDP and Bloc had a lower class majority of voters. Only in 1988 did the Liberals resemble more of an LM party – and they lost horribly because most middle class voters went to the Tories.

  • http://vent.itsonlysteam.com len

    I liked the last article and this one. The one point I disagree with however is that Bush and the Conservatives did perform a service to protect Plant Life. With supposed learned scientists actually saying we should treat Carbon like Nuclear Waste, you have to wonder what would have become of us if we’d been Gored … doing something like scrub the atmosphere of an essential nutrient for plant life because of a theory whose foundation was proven incorrect a century ago and only merit is its role in advancing super computer technology while setting modeling methodology back a couple decades.

    The damage done to the planet and human societies while we did all these inane stupid things in the face of the most intransigent political Orthodoxy since Copernicus would have been greater than the economic crisis … so having the brakes on will soon be seen as fortunate.

    The Real World will be presenting itself in the current Grand Minimum we are entereing and James Hansen will become the laughing stock of the scientific community. It has already become a joke that you don’t want Al Gore to speak in your community because the cold follows him. :D I guess that is similar to the black political cloud that used to follow him.

    • Cdn in Europe

      Gosh, I’ll have to tell the climate scientists I work with on a daily basis that they’ve just gotten it completely wrong. Where have you published your most recent refereed journal articles, Len? I must immediately bring your results to the attention of my colleagues – they’ll be so relieved to learn that CO2 doesn’t trap infrared radiation after all. Whew, that was close! We were so worried! Now we can relax, thanks to your brilliant work. Damn, this is great, now I can give up my boring day job and take up the guitar full time. Excellent. P.S. Don’t forget to send us the detailed peer-reviewed studies you’ve written, so we can rewrite the next IPCC report and sound the all clear. Thanks so much. And hey – see you in Stockholm, genius!

      • http://vent.itsonlysteam.com len

        Don’t Worry about Stockholm, try New York on March 8th. If you need directions to the location of peer reviewed science as opposed to IPCC peer reviewed ADVOCACY … just look it up on http://www.icecap.us .

        Don’t worry, I moved 5 hours south of where I was to preserve my version of a Canadian Winter and work at a Coal Fired Power Plant. Hopefully, the government doesn’t spend too much money refrigerating the flue gas to send it down a pipe line to do tertiary recovery on old oil fields before this all gets uncovered. In the mean time I will do my best to keep real pollutants out of the atmsosphere, however for the real GHG, water vapor, with the dry cold and chapped lips … I have difficulty worrying about it :D

      • http://vent.itsonlysteam.com len

        Oh, my NON-peer reviewed summary is at http://www.itsonlysteam.com/articles/landscheidt_minimum_part2.html

        For actual peer reviewed science google ‘Hathaway vs Hung’ and ‘Barycentric Tides Sun’.

        I’m surprised Hansen hasn’t had Hung’s paper pulled off NASA’s site yet.

        • Cdn in Europe

          You need to go spend some time reading realclimate.org, Len. And no, the fact that the scientists blogging on it don’t agree with your preconceived views doesn’t mean they’re “biased”. They’re real scientists, doing real science, both fieldwork and modeling, and all of them are excellent professionals highly respected by their peers. None of them are idiots, fools, incompetents, or rogues making shit up to provide excuses for government interventions aimed at destabilizing the capitalist system, or whatever crock-of-shit conspiracy theories deniers have been sold by AEI. CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide really do trap infrared radiation, and the consequences of increased concentrations can be calculated, with some margin for uncertainty due to difficulties in estimating the size of feedback effects in a complex non-linear system (which modeling attempts to address). The greenhouse role of water vapour depends on the balance between albedo effects and heat-trapping, and continues to be intensively investigated, but it does not somehow cause the CO2, methane, or nitrous oxide-driven greenhouse effects to disappear. And the output of the sun has been carefully measured and shown to account for very little of the GMT temperature trends in recent decades… all this has been very, very carefully assessed by scientists committed to empirical reality, not to bolstering preconceived ideology. Science is not about ideology. It’s about an unblinking view of reality. IPCC is not an advocacy organization, it’s a comprehensive review of peer-reviewed literature. None of what I’m saying will have the slightest chance of diverting you from your comical certainty in your beliefs, of course, and you will simply dismiss realclimate as “biased” because it doesn’t support your beliefs. Non-scientists (and some scientists, but not most of them) filter the information they expose themselves to in an effort to bolster their existing belief-commitments, that much is clear. Sigh.

  • J@ck M!tchell

    I miss the sweet reason of the old Jeunes Patriotes.

  • Ryan Rigby

    A very good piece by Andrew Coyne. This is the type of writing I read him for.

  • smellytourist

    Canada can keep it’s “progressivism.”
    http://www.smellytourist.wordpress.com

  • Brian

    Having fully abandoned the CPC after the recent budget debacle, the only way I will support a party in a future election is if a new libertarian party is created with Barry Goldwater at the helm. Some Goldwater quotes:

    “I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents “interests,” I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can. ”

    “On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.

    I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “A,” “B,” “C” and “D.” Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
    And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of “conservatism.”

  • Brian

    “on a per capita basis NL’ians have contributed four times as much as the next nearest province”

    contributed what exactly? 4 times as many Danny Williams governments? 4 times as many oil workers migrating to Alberta?

    Did you know that Manitobans eat the most deer meat per capita – as much as twelve times more than the next nearest province? Perhaps you’d be interested in the fact that people in Whitby, Ontario are more than 43.3 times more likely to see a UFO than the next nearest Canadian city.

    The funny thing is, I pulled these facts straight out of my a$$, which is the same place you pulled your “NL contributes four times more per capita” bs from. Its this level of enlightenment that has Danny Williams enjoying 112% approval ratings.

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    nice post, the oppinions are more interesting than the topic =)

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