So, does this mean we can finally be interested in something other than the economic crisis? Liveblogging the AG and Enviro Commissioners' embargoed press conference

by kadyomalley on Thursday, February 5, 2009 2:14pm - 58 Comments

12:03:53 PM

So you guys? Turns out it’s really too bad that we’re not caring about the environment at the moment, because for the first time i can recall, the Auditor General is about to be almost entirely overshadowed by newbie environment commissioner Scott Vaughan, whose debut report begins with the words “the government cannot demonstrate that some of its key environmental programs are making a difference” and goes downhill – or uphill, depending on your perspective and whether or not you happen to be Jim Prentice – from there. Unsupported claims of reduced air pollution, severe weather alerts that can’t be trusted, $370 million ostensibly spent on green farming programs with nothing to show for it, sustainable development strategies that “aren’t working”  – it just goes on and on. Meanwhile, over in the main report. Sheila Fraser finds the awarding of contracts for professional services ‘well done”. “Well done.” Seriously. Sure, she has a few nuggets of criticism scattered through the eight chapters – apparently, the report on health indicators is “of limited value to Canadians”, the Correctional Service “could be missing out on savings” and there are ‘significant issues” in the central oversight of small government organizations, but anyone hoping for shocking revelations of government waste and incompetence will be sorely disappointed. Which is good for the country, I’m sure, but not so much for us journalists. Thank goodness for the environment commissioner, y’all.
Anyway, after having spent a few minutes going through the two reports while scarfing down complimentary sandwiches from the lunch table — seriously, these people know how to throw a lockup; I don’t see why the folks at Finance can’t just hire the OAG to cater their events as a subcontractors – I’m now waiting for the embargoed press conference to begin – and what do you know; it just did.

12:28:48 PM
Sheila Fraser – who looks exactly like she always does – gives a brief opening statement before handing the microphone over to Scott Vaughan, who then goes over his main findings, as noted above, paying special attention to the severe weather warning alerts, which, he says, just aren’t providing the needed information, despite the fact that Environment Canada “is considered a world leader”. Overall, he says “most of what we found was disappointing” – regulations not being enforced, clean air trust fund money being doled out to provinces with no guarantee that it will reduce pollution, the public transit tax credit, which – surprise, surprise – was found ineffective. He closes by noting that the government “has an important role to play” on the environment, but simply isn’t able to demonstrate any success. He hands the floor back to Sheila Fraser, who has to follow his litany of observed and audited failure with an overview of the importance of understanding federal-provincial transfer payments, as well as the health indicators report, which “falls short”, and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency’s management of plant imports, which, it’s worth pointing out, she found sorely wanting. She breezes past the chapters related to the Canada Revenue Agency – information technology and staffing – and spends a bit more time on Correctional Services, where overtime has increased, yet the number of inmates has remained constant and the government could possibly spend less on food and clothing. As for the small agencies and entities, she calls for ‘concrete action’ to fix various long-standing administrative problems before giving Public Works and Government Services a gold star for excellence in managing professional contracts, and opens the floor to questions. I wonder if she’ll get a single one.

12:44:01 PM
First up: Allan Woods, who wonders where, exactly, the government came up with the numbers for projected emissions reductions via the public transit tax credit; Vaughan – who looks a little nervous — did someone remind him what happens to overly independent minded independent officers? – admits that he’s not sure. Oh, and there’s one for Sheila Fraser on the “trust funds” for provinces; she explains that the report was just to give parliamentarians a better idea of how this particular transfer system operates.

12:47:38 PM
David Llundgren wonders whether there was any way that the public transit credit concept could have worked, and Vaughan veers away from the specifics — he calls it “disappointing,” but the reporter offers “colossal waste of money” as an alternative, to muted giggles from the audience, if not the environment commissioner, who reminds me of a very, very, very, very, very serious Michael Scott.

Global TV’s Peter Harris also can’t quite get his head around the wild off-ness of the transit tax credit – how could the government have been *that* wrong? Vaughan suggests that we might want to ask the government that question – oh, don’t worry, we will – but suggests that the forecasting model used by the department may have resulted in the disparity, which is particularly comforting when one realizes how much depends on the same government’s ability to forecast the fiscal future.

12:52:34 PM
David Akin quizzes Fraser on her findings on the Canadian Food Inspection Agency — alien plant imports, remember? – and asks if she is disturbed by what she’s uncovered as  far as inspection and management; she agrees that there are risks, and goes into a little more detail about her recommendations, but it’s fair to say that most of us are just waiting for her to finish so that someone can ask Vaughan another question.

12:54:53 PM
That someone, it turns out, is Sun Media reporter Sim, who describes the environment report as “scathing”, and wonders if he was surprised at just how bad it was; Vaughan reminds him that this is his first report, but he admits – again – to having been “disappointed”. Fraser gets another question about her explainer trust-fund-based federal-provincial transfers from a French reporter – CBC, I think, but I can’t see who is at the microphone  – and then back to Vaughan for yet another question along the same lines as the earlier ones: how – HOW – could the government have been so wrong? Which is, admittedly, a fair question, although I’m not sure if he can answer it, really. Vaughan notes that the analysis was flawed in one case, but on the transit credit, they – the government, that is – should at least get credit for adjusting the original forecast so radically downwards.

1:03:01 PM
A French reporter asks Vaughan to answer the question of whether Canadians are getting value for the $635 million spent on the public transit tax credit – in French, that is – and he obligingly repeats his conclusion: for all that money, this was a “disappointing” result. Indeed. Apparently, in response to the criticism of the weather alert system, Environment Canada has assured the commissioner that most of the problems that he identified have already been fixed during the ISO process, and Vaughan once again tries to give the government credit for recognizing the problem with its original projection, which is a nice gesture, but seems unlikely to completely kill the story of the $635 million in pointless non-emission-reducing tax credits.

As for the findings on toxic substances, which in one case, increased threefold *after* it was declared as such, a reporter asks if he would go so far as to say the mismanagement may have led to an increase in cancer rates, which he won’t, although he notes that as a parent of a small child, he worries.

1:12:19 PM
Bob Fife repeats the question about getting any value from the transit credit, and gets the same answer from Vaughan- and that’s it for the press conference. Wow, that went quickly. Only 45 minutes to go, and you’ll all be able to share in the boggling over the bus pass boondoggle, which – for the record – I’m not proposing as the official moniker, although if the alternative is something that ends in -gate, I’ll reconsider.

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  • Pete Tong, It’s all gone

    The public tax credit makes it more affordable for me to buy a TTC month pass, rather than buying tokens in “bulk”, but it doesn’t make the TTC any more enjoyable to ride.

    My quality of life doesn’t improve if I get a tax credit for riding the bus, it improves when the bus comes on time.

    Stephen Harper and associates would not understand this having likely never ridden a bus before.

    • Loraine Lamontagne

      Did you ride the TTC before the tax credit came into effect, Pete?

      I doubt this credit encourages people to use public transit over private automobile. These non-reimbursable tax credits have been multiplying faster than the loaves at Canaan – likely all with disappointing results. The government would have been better off to give bigger tax cuts to all than to try to direct us on how to live our lives.

    • baldygirl

      A better initiative would have been to offer a straight rebate versus a non-refundable tax credit, because the most impoverished people don’t benefit at all from a tax credit that raises their already maxed-out non-refundable tax credits. I honestly don’t think that a 15% savings would have encouraged people to take transit (I mean, it’s already zounds more costly to drive & park in big cities like Toronto), but it would have gone a long way toward helping poor people if they could see ALL of that 15% returned to them instead of potentially none of it returned to them.

      • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

        You know how you do that? Match 15% of farebox revenue for transit agencies. And it eliminates mountains of paperwork.

      • http://macleans.ca kc

        Yeah, like the credit to use the gym that Campbell’s govt tried in BC. How many unhealthy poor people [mostly the same] use gyms. They would have been more honest to put a sign over the place proclaiming: this way for yr tax deductible gym session, if you can afford it. Tax credits are mostly about subsidizing those who can already afford to pay. Gd politics , lousy policy!

        • baldygirl

          My rationale above (even though it wasn’t explicitly stated) was that the $ doesn’t offer any real help to people in poverty, the very people who are more likely to use transit—and the savings it offers aren’t enough incentive to get people who already have enough $ to undertake ownership of a car to leave it at home and spend even more $ on transit.

          I completely agree with you in that tax credits subsidize those who can afford to pay. And often those who couldn’t care because they’re using something that’s better in their minds, in this case.

          Poorly thought out. Or possibly not thought out at all.

    • David

      Maybe not “never before”, but certainly not “recently in Ottawa”.

      • Shenping

        I’m not sure if I entirely agree. “Tax deductions” like RRSP’s, union dues, etc. reduce your tax on your marginal tax rate & give more benefit to people in higher brackets, while “tax credits” give everyone the same amount, regardless of income level. You do need to have income above the basic personal amount to use them, though, so I agree to some extent.

        I’m doubtful if it increased ridership much, but I don’t see a problem with giving an additional credit to the mostly low income people who take public transit. I also know some low-income parents who get a lot of mileage from the physical activity tax credit. Their kids would go anyway, but it still helps.

        A suggestion would be to group all these tax credits together, and phase them out as net family income rises. This would be one extra calculation on the tax return, and wouldn’t cost anything extra in administration, since it works off numbers that are already being entered. Since these credits don’t seem to be changing behaviour, limit them to the working poor, who really get a lot of benefit from them. This would even out the opportunities for children of the working poor. (Although not do much for the non-working poor.)

  • Wayne

    Hey don’t mess with the tax credit if it is somehow involved with me deducting my bus pass!!!

    • Ian

      Indeed. $600M isn’t a waste at all as long as Wayne can deduct his bus pass. Money well spent.

  • madeyoulook

    The bus tax credit boondoggle is “retail politics” at its most stupid and inefficient. No more, no less.

  • Liz

    The transit tax credit couldn’t work well for the working poor, or those who travel more than one zone, part-time or job-share workers, or those on fixed incomes because these workers generally cannot afford to pay for a monthly bus pass all at once to begin with (in BC around $180 for 3-zone pass), especially with the pass to be purchased at the first of the month on the same paycheque as rent or mortgage.

    It may have worked better if people had been allowed to submit receipts for daily transit costs. The plan did not benefit the people it was meant to help, nor did it help the environment.

    • madeyoulook

      Oh yay. Let’s make the annual income tax event even more insanely complex.

      • Jenn

        I am a part of the tax preparation process. MYL, could you please, please not suggest things like that unless you simultaneously include another month or two between the time the tax slips must be mailed out, and the time the returns must be filed? Thanks much.

        • madeyoulook

          Hey Jenn, talk to Liz…

  • TobyornotToby

    I’d characterize the bus tax credit as an incomplete failure, and beleive it could be improved to deliver a ghg reduction and other social benefits. The reasons it doesn’t deliver the benefit it was hoped it would are:

    a) It isn’t a large enough “discount” to spur a shift in commuter choice
    b) It provides delayed rather than instant gratification
    c) it doesn’t address servcie gaps/flaws the way improve transit infrastructuree would

    It has that in common with the daycare tax credit which does nothing to create better daycare. It could be a part of a transit strategy, but it would need to be integrated with pricing, service and system improvements to motivate the shift from cars to transit.

    • Jenn

      Or, you mean it might work if it were coupled with, say, a Green Shift tax on fuel?

  • DianeG

    A tax credit toward a bus pass does me abosolutely no good. My income is below the taxable level. In fact, I use transit maybe twice a week, the rest of the time, I walk. Fortunately, I pay the seniors rate for bus tickets.

    Non-refundable tax credits only help those with incomes a fair way above the poverty line. They certainly don’t help people who need help the most.

    • madeyoulook

      Ah, yes. “This tax measure doesn’t help me one bit because I already don’t do any of the taxpaying heavy lifting, so where’s my piece?” Let us never forget the importance of making sure the freeloaders continue to help themselves even more to other people’s stuff, because therein lies the secret to a happy society. Keep bleeding the people who actually contribute, folks, ‘cuz Diane’s subsidized senior’s transit rate and her GST rebate and her zero income taxes to pay and her OAS are still not enough to keep her happy.

      • Sisyphus

        You’re coming very close to being a jerk, myl.

        • madeyoulook

          Indeed, there I go again with brutally frank paraphrasing as a debating technique. A complainer’s feelings might get hurt. Where are my manners! Diane, here’s five bucks, the approximate value of my tax credit on my January bus pass. Treat yourself to a round-trip somewhere. On me. No, really, think nothing of it. As a productive honest taxpayer supporting your subsidized transit fare, your OAS, your GST rebate, your health care and social services, and chipping in income tax so you don’t have to, Sisyphus has convinced me that this is the least I could do. Bygones?

          • Sisyphus

            Obviously I was wrong.

            But I’m curious about the nature/nurture thingie.

            Do you practice and work hard at being a jerk ?

            Or does it just come naturally ?

            Are you a full-service bully or do you only kick poor people ?

            No need to respond. I already know the answer.

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            kudos to you guys for standing up for Diane. That’s certainly not the Canada i want to live in. if MYL so chooses, well there’s always our free spending southern neighbours.

          • sf

            Sisyphus,

            Do you always resort to insults rather than rebuttals?

            Do you believe that those on the receiving end of a gift have an unconditional right to complain for more?

            Do you believe that bus rides cost nothing? And require no labour?

            Do you believe that you cannot help people without helping all people at the same time?

            Do you believe that people that do work and pay taxes require no help?

          • sf

            KC,

            Who chose you to decide who stays and who goes?

            Isn’t the whole point of democracy that everyone gets a say about our government?

            Do you believe in democracy?

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            sf
            Calm down. And yes i believe in democracy! If you re-read my post you’ll see that i invited MYL to choose between Canada and our “free-spending neighbours”. A smart fiscal conservative like him would get the inference, ie. no difference or choice. I despise those who argue my way or the highway, or get out of a country that he has helped to build. As to his remarks to Diane, he should be ashamed in my opinion. Satisfied now?

          • sf

            KC,

            MYL is making a perfectly valid point.

            Many people are losing jobs and losing income, some are losing their homes. To ask these people to pony up more taxes for others at the worst possible time is not an example of commendable behaviour, no matter who is asking.

            I can understand the plight of those with low incomes. But public transportation is already subsidized, to demand even more from those that provide those subsidies at the worst possible time is not stimulus, it is the exact opposite.

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            sf
            i’ve read their remarks again and i can see both of their pts, however the self-righteous patronizing tone [ " here's $5..." ] gets up my nose in a big way. I see nothing whiny about Diane’s observation and nothing to justify MYl’s assumptions about her. A simple ” you’re wrong, here’s why” would have done. If anything i’m more disgusted than i was before, even excepting yr pt as being valid.

      • Jenn

        Hey, my friend.

        Diane is a senior. She doesn’t make money NOW to pay taxes. It doesn’t mean she wasn’t paying them all along up to this point. And she’s talking about income taxes, not property taxes, sales taxes, etc.

        Man, I sure hope your chldren’s children don’t have this attitude, because one day you won’t be gainfully employed. Oh, unless you have a cushy pension–only happens these days if you are employed by the state or some huge-company-that-might-as-wel- be-the-state-because-we-sure-can’t-allow-them-to-go- belly-up-so-the-state-has-to-kick-in-to-keep-it-afloat. And if that’s the case, how dare you complain about DIANE “helping themselves to other people’s stuff”.

        A nice apology would be good.

        • sf

          You are saying MYL needs to aplogize after you claim “I sure hope your chldren’s children don’t have this attitude”?

          Boy, do you have a lot of nerve, miss holier than thou.

          • http://macleans.ca kc

            You’ve an odd set of values yourself. MYL as good as calls a SC a freeloader, and you think criticizing someones attitude is holier than thou? Different strokes i suppose!

          • sf

            I’m simply pointing out the hypocrasy.

    • madeyoulook

      Wow, has my alleged jerk-ness ever struck a nerve this evening.

      Alright then, before I apologize for being a taxpayer requesting permission to stand back up from the bend-over-and-take-it position, I have just a few questions:

      Diane, how much more would you like from us taxpayers to be happy? How much more do you feel entitled to? Which of these is actually more than the other? Why is your happiness a collective responsibility?

      Sisyphus, what do you — actually, never mind, there’s nothing of any substance in your commentary.

      KC, please explain why the beneficiary class is the only category of Canadian entitled to whine for more, more, more, and the productive class shall under no circumstances call the parasites on this whining, or else maybe they should just abandon ship for another country. By the way, rest assured that the wealthiest of us Canadians have already figured out a way to squirrel their cash (and possibly themselves) outta here already.

      Jenn, is there something special about seniors who made no planning for retirement whatsoever that they are entitled to whine for more, in particular to begrudge actual taxpayers who might get a few bucks back? Don’t get me wrong, I am no fan of this bus pass credit; it’s a dumb needless complication of the tax system. But to bitch about it because it didn’t dribble a couple of loonies to her entitled change purse just leaves me baffled. And I doubt you want to get me started on the pampered benefits of the public sector workers, or of the unionized industries currently on life support.

      So, the above re-education will go a long way to setting me straight. Maybe I’ll even offer Diane the credit on my February pass, too.

      • J@ck M!tchell

        MYL, it’s absurd to write as though you were either the only taxpayer in the country or the nominated spokesman for all taxpayers. Can’t you write about government spending without trotting your tearful family and their as-yet-unborn families out to make your case? There’s a whole world of rhetoric out there. Anyway, it’s one thing to project your own experience, but to project it onto somebody else is rather rude.

        • madeyoulook

          Indeed, ‘twould be absurd. Calling a whiner a whiner is now becoming the last defender of the taxpayer? Wow.

          But hey, we can’t all be self-nominated poet laureate, can we? Some of us may need to resort to lesser rhetoric, like calling people on their whining for more-more-more entitlements, and giving a damn about the future of this country. But, hey, wait a minute, where on this page is my tearful and unborn family, anyway?

          • Ti-Guy

            Too MYL didn’t have real problems to whine about.

          • J@ck M!tchell

            Whining about whiners compromises us all, because it threatens to upset the space-time continuum.

            No offense, MYL, but for the next little while I can’t visualise you typing a post without a hollow-cheeked heir or two standing behind your desk chair, one tearfully studying a Revenue Canada “please remit payment” notice while the other rattles his piggy bank for a last, 87-cent donation to CNTC.

            You know, I’m a taxpayer too, and the thought of grandmothers being allowed to ride the bus for free somehow doesn’t make me beat the wall with rage. You’re most eloquent about entitlements, but to me you sound like you think the world, if not the government, owes you a living. I’m just grateful to be alive.

          • madeyoulook

            J@ck, I fear your speed-reading has let you down. Grandma wasn’t asking for free bus fare. She was lamenting that a certain minor rebate on income tax was not going to benefit her entitled self because she isn’t paying any tax already! Like she feels she should get a dollar from the drug store for her coupon even though she’s not buying anything. I called her on that greed, in a specific response to a specific comment. Then all hell broke loose. I will need some time to ponder how that makes me feel the world owes me a living. Your patience is greatly appreciated.

          • J@ck M!tchell

            Obviously the issue turns on encouraging the use of public transit. One solution would be to subsidise public transit directly; another is to offer a tax credit. Diane pointed out that the tax credit is anti-progressive, i.e. that the only way to allow the poor to benefit from government support for public transit is to subsidise it. Whence “grandmothers being allowed to ride the bus for free.” (In fairness, I don’t know that she’s a grandmother.)

            To aid you in your pondering of my tu quoque, I meant that your anger at being overtaxed presumes that there is some “fair” level of taxation, some Natural Right which is being infringed. Alas, there is no such right, there is only a (quite understandable) desire to keep as much earned income as possible. The world does not owe you a tax break, a living, or a new toy choo-choo. So it seems to me you’re turning a political question into an existential outrage.

          • madeyoulook

            Thanks for re-shaping the “issue,” Mr. Obvious. Here I was thinking I was directly responding to a direct comment about someone feeling entitled-to-more-entitlements.

            (Pause to re-read th original comment)

            Yup. That’s exactly what started this. Back I go to try to get why I feel the world owes me a living.

          • sf

            MYL, you clearly have no trouble defending your view point. But I wish to add that I, too, have great difficulty understanding neither the logic nor the appeal to emotion by those outraged (jm, kc, others).

            “but to me you sound like you think the world, if not the government, owes you a living”

            I have not the slightest idea where that comment came from either. It seems to be the exact opposite of what you were saying – you were saying that the world does NOT owe yourself or others a living.

            “without trotting your tearful family and their as-yet-unborn families out to make your case”

            This one has me lost as well. Seems to be straight out of left-field. Not only is it a straw man, but a straw man from out of nowhere. It seems as though JM is suggesting that you are the only one who pays taxes? Beats me.

        • Liz

          Hey, Stephen Harper acted the same way hauling out his poor mum’s suffering under the pension portfolio downturn as if only he and she were wounded but were holding up so what’s wrong with you all? attitude.

          Also MYL, I am sure you and others like you have no qualms remitting every single receipt no matter how small when you do your taxes. So why cry about some working poor bloke totting up his transit receipts?

          Oh, and then worry about the burden on Revenue Canada. Uh huh. Crocodile tears is what you’re crying. Wanker.

        • J@ck M!tchell

          sigh Is there prize a prize — butterknives?– for the longest pointless subthread?

          MYL, Diane’s comment was about the public transportation subsidy.

          “A French reporter asks Vaughan to answer the question of whether Canadians are getting value for the $635 million spent on the public transit tax credit” (1:03:01 PM)

          She was making a quite legitimate point about the anti-progressive aspect of this, albeit not about the environmental purpose per se. It was you who characterised this as “someone feeling entitled-to-more-entitlements.”

          sf — “you were saying that the world does NOT owe yourself or others a living.”

          Au contraire. You and MYL seem to think there is some sacred right not to be taxed for the benefit of the very poor. Well, there ain’t. The world does not owe you a tax break. Your pleas fall on deaf ears.

          As to MYL’s tearful family, they are familiar props from his anti-stimulus puppet show.

      • http://macleans.ca kc

        Myl
        As

      • http://macleans.ca kc

        Pahetic, MYL pathetic, when i look back at the reasonable, if a little misinformed observations of Diane in contrast to yr whiny spiteful diatribe, i wonder if yr view of this country ever does prevail, whether i for one wont be looking for a new home in the sun!

        • http://macleans.ca kc

          My real beef is with the tone of these kinds of debates. One of my customers lives down on the waterfront in a condo overlooking the harbour. Is she happy with her lot? Possibly, but one of her perennial complaints is that some sailors live nrby on their boats. Not eyesoes, but they have free moorage because their hull design allows them to take the beach. Quelle outrage, thy pay no taxes unlike her and they have the same view. Not content with her blessings she opts to take a dog in the manger attitude to “freeloaders”. Not suggesting MYL would side with her, but i hate the loaded begrudging language.

          • sf

            Your analogy is interesting, but I think it is false. I happen to agree with your viewpoint, that this individual in the condo has a poor attitude.

            A more proper analogy would be a situation where the sailors enter her condo at will and help themselves to the food in her kitchen, while at the same time she is having trouble paying her mortgage because her tax bill went up.

          • sf

            Because that is what is actually happening when people ask for more from the government – they are in fact asking for more from their neighbours, particularly at a time when the working class are suffering. And people couch their language by saying that they really only demand more from the rich, when in reality the rich people in society already give far, far, far more to the government than the rest of us, both in absolute terms and in percentage terms. The average, middle of the road taxpayer gives close to half his earnings to the various forms of government in the form of one tax or another, and this same middle of the road taxpayer is in fear of losing his job, if he has not lost it already.

            You can already see much disgraceful behaviour as the stimulus money rolls out – it’s a cacophony of gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme some of those piles of cash.

          • sf

            I’d like to clarify that I am not saying that Diane’s original comment was disgraceful in any way. I am thinking about the whining and moaning from the political class and others that their chosen interest group or riding deserves a bigger pile of cash than others.

  • TobyornotToby

    This is all very instructive considering the shovelling of money that is about to occur.

    Our record on infrastructure programs in Canada has been anything but strategic in my opinion. FCM and the big city mayors holler repeatedly about the infrastructure deficit and how they aren’t keeping up with repairs and maintenance but every time there has been a Federal-Provincial infrastructure program for municiplaities, what do they all do?

    They all invest in growth even in the absence of real population increases, abandoning older parts of their cities by building new suburbs and new commerical areas for dreadful big box developments that make our cities more expensive to maintain.

    Some of the worst excesses have included the construction of luxury boxes at the Saddledome in Calgary, or my personal pet peeve, the construction of a privately owned arena in downtown Winnipeg using the Canada-Manitoba infrastructure program that was specifcally for “green infrastructure.”

    Cities do this with the complicity of the provinces who seek to undermine Treasury Board guidelines in favour of their pet projects, usually ones that are advanced by politically connected developers. The feds throw up their hands and let it happen under heavy lobbying by the regional cabinet reps and then we all go back to listening to cities moan on about how they can’t afford to fix their combined sewer overflows problem (Winnipeg again) or stop dumping raw sewage into the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans (you know who you are).

    The history of infrastructure spending since Confederation could be characterized by the axiom that “Greedy Guts Gets More.”

    Without measurable, progressive targets for greenhouse gas reduction, for job creation, for economic spillover benefits, and for social benefits there is no way to ensure this so-called stimulus package will be stimulating anything or achieving any social purpose other than subsidizing development in the self-interest.

    The decisions will, if nothing changes from past Progressive Conservative and Liberal government programs, be based by default on influence, not merit or social benefit. And that’s why I predict hardly any money will be spent to address the massive need for housing or water and sewage infrastructure for First Nations communities, or for practical environmental benefits, or even job creation.

    • madeyoulook

      I don’t suppose, then, that since these public “stimulus” dollars will be so inefficient, that we might choose not to bother going waaay back into debt and just call this nonsense off instead?

      No?

      Sigh. I thought not.

    • Sisyphus
    • seaandthemountains

      Given that the Premier out here has said that Vic has to build a sewage treatment plan, there should be no reason that that project is not on a shortlist. It is disgusting and embarrassing that Victoria is still dumping untreated sewage into the ocean. Shameful.

  • TJ Cook

    “Anyone hoping for shocking examples of government waste and incompetence will be disappointed…”

    “$370 million ostensibly spent on green farming programs with nothing to show for it”

    That’s almost FOUR times the dollar value of the sponsorship scandal. That meets my definition of a shocking example of government waste and incompetence.

    • seaandthemountains

      yeah, Kady was that your analysis or SF’s?

      seems to be the CESD’s report is at best a scathing review of incompetence or worse….

  • seaandthemountains

    The CESD’s assertion that:

    “The federal government cannot demonstrate that the results it has reported for the policy tools we examined have actually been achieved or that processes are in place to verify the results reported by the private sector.” (12)

    sounds a lot like:

    “Oversight mechanisms and essential controls at Public Works and Government Services Canada failed to detect, prevent, or report violations.”

    No?

  • Kenneth

    Wayne,

    I firmly believe that tax incentives should be judged on whether they meet stated goals. Although it is easy to see why you like having my money in your pocket, it might be worth your while to consider government programs and taxation from a more public spirited and principled position.

  • Wayne

    I’ll take anyones money and it is most certainly not worth my while to consider any other option else : Stultus est sicut stultus facit

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