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	<title>Comments on: No room for gifted kids</title>
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		<title>By: HiD</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-560971</link>
		<dc:creator>HiD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting! My son who is now 6 and in grade 1 has had a few problems himself. Just before he was 3 he started to read a few words on his own. Then by 31/2 was fully reading books on his own. Now he can read and comprehend almost anything you give him. He can also do math in his head, has written small piano pieces, excels above everyone in his piano lessons and is a well adjusted compassionate person. Except he is very hard on himself for perfection! We spoke with the school who has been giving us the run around now for 2 years. it seems they do not want to get involved in helping him with more advanced programs. At every turn we get false promises. We will continue with our fight to get him more challenged in the classroom! 

Thanks for the story! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! My son who is now 6 and in grade 1 has had a few problems himself. Just before he was 3 he started to read a few words on his own. Then by 31/2 was fully reading books on his own. Now he can read and comprehend almost anything you give him. He can also do math in his head, has written small piano pieces, excels above everyone in his piano lessons and is a well adjusted compassionate person. Except he is very hard on himself for perfection! We spoke with the school who has been giving us the run around now for 2 years. it seems they do not want to get involved in helping him with more advanced programs. At every turn we get false promises. We will continue with our fight to get him more challenged in the classroom! </p>
<p>Thanks for the story!</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-88251</link>
		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look for your local association for bright and or gifted children.
In Ontario that would be ABC Ontario</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look for your local association for bright and or gifted children.<br />
In Ontario that would be ABC Ontario</p>
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		<title>By: late bloomer</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-88250</link>
		<dc:creator>late bloomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in the gifted program from grade 1-8 in Renfrew County, Mr. Morton was my teacher.  One day a week ( I forget if it was a full day or half a day), I would be with him and maybe half a dozen other kids.  We would do advanced math, computer programming, projects, intellectual games, studies, projects, etc.   I never thought that I would be starving for that kind of stimulation for the rest of my life.

Boredom leads to finding stimulation subconsciously.  My mind just wouldn&#039;t stop trying to find stimulus, leading to excessive stress.  I couldn&#039;t sleep at night.  my mind would race.  I just wasn&#039;t and am still not intellectually stimulated, I&#039;m really busy, yet bored at the same time.

Our gifted program ended when we hit high school at grade 9.  I got devoured by sports, and veered to physical stimulus, still aced my classes but, didn&#039;t know what direction was right, I was good at it all.

I got bored at university.  Too much theory.  I need to do stuff! Hands on.

I&#039;ve always been afraid of failing...at anything.   That would be traumatic.

I&#039;ve succeeded at every job I ever had.  But have never come close to reaching my potential.  Leaving me depressed...I guess.

I want to go back to school, maybe this year.  Architecture, that would be good for me I think.  But a huge commitment now that I&#039;m well into my 30&#039;s.

I guess what I&#039;m trying to get at is that gifted children need to be guided to find their own strengths and passions.  To help them to not get lost, or scared.  I would have done anything to have Mr. Morton&#039;s guidance through high school.  I&#039;m starved now.  Sometimes you just try to live a normal life, but as hard as you try to BE normal, SEEM normal, you just get frustrated.

I don&#039;t know what the answers are.  I know these programs are important.  I haven&#039;t thought about my &quot;giftedness&quot; in years, I&#039;ve been trying to be normal, and I guess I forgot, and just thought I was just stressed out all the time.  This article really hit home and I answered a lot of my own questions about where I am in life.

Thank you to Bill Morton.

A gift isn&#039;t really a gift unless you unwrap it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the gifted program from grade 1-8 in Renfrew County, Mr. Morton was my teacher.  One day a week ( I forget if it was a full day or half a day), I would be with him and maybe half a dozen other kids.  We would do advanced math, computer programming, projects, intellectual games, studies, projects, etc.   I never thought that I would be starving for that kind of stimulation for the rest of my life.</p>
<p>Boredom leads to finding stimulation subconsciously.  My mind just wouldn&#039;t stop trying to find stimulus, leading to excessive stress.  I couldn&#039;t sleep at night.  my mind would race.  I just wasn&#039;t and am still not intellectually stimulated, I&#039;m really busy, yet bored at the same time.</p>
<p>Our gifted program ended when we hit high school at grade 9.  I got devoured by sports, and veered to physical stimulus, still aced my classes but, didn&#039;t know what direction was right, I was good at it all.</p>
<p>I got bored at university.  Too much theory.  I need to do stuff! Hands on.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve always been afraid of failing&#8230;at anything.   That would be traumatic.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve succeeded at every job I ever had.  But have never come close to reaching my potential.  Leaving me depressed&#8230;I guess.</p>
<p>I want to go back to school, maybe this year.  Architecture, that would be good for me I think.  But a huge commitment now that I&#039;m well into my 30&#039;s.</p>
<p>I guess what I&#039;m trying to get at is that gifted children need to be guided to find their own strengths and passions.  To help them to not get lost, or scared.  I would have done anything to have Mr. Morton&#039;s guidance through high school.  I&#039;m starved now.  Sometimes you just try to live a normal life, but as hard as you try to BE normal, SEEM normal, you just get frustrated.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t know what the answers are.  I know these programs are important.  I haven&#039;t thought about my &quot;giftedness&quot; in years, I&#039;ve been trying to be normal, and I guess I forgot, and just thought I was just stressed out all the time.  This article really hit home and I answered a lot of my own questions about where I am in life.</p>
<p>Thank you to Bill Morton.</p>
<p>A gift isn&#039;t really a gift unless you unwrap it.</p>
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		<title>By: TGram29</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-88249</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a gifted kid, I can easily say that most of us get dragged down by the kids with hyperactivity disorders
No offense, but they&#039;re often extremely loud, and because they&#039;re SO loud, all of us get associated with them. personally, I think being gifted is more of a curse than a gift, you have to drag it along with you, and know that you&#039;re never going to be normal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a gifted kid, I can easily say that most of us get dragged down by the kids with hyperactivity disorders<br />
No offense, but they&#039;re often extremely loud, and because they&#039;re SO loud, all of us get associated with them. personally, I think being gifted is more of a curse than a gift, you have to drag it along with you, and know that you&#039;re never going to be normal</p>
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		<title>By: Sluna</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-88248</link>
		<dc:creator>Sluna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an 8 year old boy who is gifted. We are homeschooling presently because the school in our town had no space for him. He behaved in an ADHD way at school and he was very unhappy and frustrated there. Now we homeschool him but next year he is going into a gifted class. Someone above mentioned that she thought that gifted classrooms were just a class to be bullied by the rest of the school. That terrifies me as I was so hopeful that we might finally find a solution for our son. Although he is a wonderful boy and a joy to be with for me at home, I wish for him friends and socializing with kids. He has no brothers or sisters and spends too much time with adults. Also he has few friends as he has no access to kids and we can&#039;t afford classes as we already pay tutors to work with him daily and on one salary this is all we can afford. Does anyone have anything positive to say about gifted programs in schools? Anyone have a good experience? The money we have spent on books, toys to occupy his mind which is always learning, tutors, assessments and so on, we can not afford private school too. Help! Any advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an 8 year old boy who is gifted. We are homeschooling presently because the school in our town had no space for him. He behaved in an ADHD way at school and he was very unhappy and frustrated there. Now we homeschool him but next year he is going into a gifted class. Someone above mentioned that she thought that gifted classrooms were just a class to be bullied by the rest of the school. That terrifies me as I was so hopeful that we might finally find a solution for our son. Although he is a wonderful boy and a joy to be with for me at home, I wish for him friends and socializing with kids. He has no brothers or sisters and spends too much time with adults. Also he has few friends as he has no access to kids and we can&#039;t afford classes as we already pay tutors to work with him daily and on one salary this is all we can afford. Does anyone have anything positive to say about gifted programs in schools? Anyone have a good experience? The money we have spent on books, toys to occupy his mind which is always learning, tutors, assessments and so on, we can not afford private school too. Help! Any advice?</p>
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		<title>By: Margo</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88247</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that your post is old, but I can&#039;t even begin to explain how much better I felt when I read it. My son is 10yrs old, has been suspended 3x in the last 2 months. He was reading when he started school but was made to &quot;learn&quot; the alphabet.
We have been discussing options with the school for the past 6 years, he is now in grade 4, and are getting nowhere.
All we constantly hear is how much trouble he is causing in the classroom by being a clown, or &quot;oppositional&quot; to authority (school&#039;s latest reason for suspending him). I am hoping this will change in September when he is supposed to go to the gifted class at another school. But now the principal is &quot;suggesting&quot; that perhaps that is not the best solution for our son as he cannot seem to behave.
I just felt that maybe we are not alone when I read your post..thanks !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that your post is old, but I can&#039;t even begin to explain how much better I felt when I read it. My son is 10yrs old, has been suspended 3x in the last 2 months. He was reading when he started school but was made to &quot;learn&quot; the alphabet.<br />
We have been discussing options with the school for the past 6 years, he is now in grade 4, and are getting nowhere.<br />
All we constantly hear is how much trouble he is causing in the classroom by being a clown, or &quot;oppositional&quot; to authority (school&#039;s latest reason for suspending him). I am hoping this will change in September when he is supposed to go to the gifted class at another school. But now the principal is &quot;suggesting&quot; that perhaps that is not the best solution for our son as he cannot seem to behave.<br />
I just felt that maybe we are not alone when I read your post..thanks !</p>
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		<title>By: lben</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-88246</link>
		<dc:creator>lben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im also new to this, but i&#039;ve been suggested to contact the teachers at the local or nearest gifted program and ask them for suggestions on how to continue to stimulate and challenge my son.  Also, ( i haven&#039;t exhausted the search on this website), but the BC website for gifted children lists some resources/books for children, see if that works.
lben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im also new to this, but i&#039;ve been suggested to contact the teachers at the local or nearest gifted program and ask them for suggestions on how to continue to stimulate and challenge my son.  Also, ( i haven&#039;t exhausted the search on this website), but the BC website for gifted children lists some resources/books for children, see if that works.<br />
lben</p>
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		<title>By: lben</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88245</link>
		<dc:creator>lben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, im new to this site.  My son hasn&#039;t been tested, but i have a strong feeling that when he is tested this year, he will be tested as gifted.  Can you explain to me what &quot;acceleration&quot; and &quot;cluster grouping&quot; is.  Im not sure i have a very supportive principal - and not sure about this year&#039;s teacher either.  I need to know a bit more about school systems, ours is york region.  thanks,
LB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, im new to this site.  My son hasn&#039;t been tested, but i have a strong feeling that when he is tested this year, he will be tested as gifted.  Can you explain to me what &quot;acceleration&quot; and &quot;cluster grouping&quot; is.  Im not sure i have a very supportive principal &#8211; and not sure about this year&#039;s teacher either.  I need to know a bit more about school systems, ours is york region.  thanks,<br />
LB</p>
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		<title>By: M.N</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-88244</link>
		<dc:creator>M.N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure i&#039;m late reading this article and i fear no response, but i hope for the best.
I have a 2.5yrs old boy that recently just started shocking me.
he can read 100%..know his alphabet full..constructs words...counts to 50 already (knows the #&#039;s and points them out which is which)
knows most of his shapes and colours...even recognize voice and attaches the write animal to it.
and since last week..he started writing the alphabets and #&#039;s.
the truth is..this kid just came out with all this in recent mth...and i have no idea where i can get some help for further development.
anyone..? suggestions..?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m pretty sure i&#039;m late reading this article and i fear no response, but i hope for the best.<br />
I have a 2.5yrs old boy that recently just started shocking me.<br />
he can read 100%..know his alphabet full..constructs words&#8230;counts to 50 already (knows the #&#039;s and points them out which is which)<br />
knows most of his shapes and colours&#8230;even recognize voice and attaches the write animal to it.<br />
and since last week..he started writing the alphabets and #&#039;s.<br />
the truth is..this kid just came out with all this in recent mth&#8230;and i have no idea where i can get some help for further development.<br />
anyone..? suggestions..?</p>
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		<title>By: Zanne</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88243</link>
		<dc:creator>Zanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teachers -- overworked, underpaid, and lacking in support. I sympathise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teachers &#8212; overworked, underpaid, and lacking in support. I sympathise.</p>
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		<title>By: Zanne</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-2/#comment-88242</link>
		<dc:creator>Zanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone come across any articles describing what teachers can do to encourage and support gifted students, while still including them in &#039;mainstream&#039; classrooms? I am training to be a high school teacher, and I would like some solid research on what works and what doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone come across any articles describing what teachers can do to encourage and support gifted students, while still including them in &#039;mainstream&#039; classrooms? I am training to be a high school teacher, and I would like some solid research on what works and what doesn&#039;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and without any assistance, while following a strict curriculum and why not throw in some grade three testing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and without any assistance, while following a strict curriculum and why not throw in some grade three testing?</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned..</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88240</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see you try teaching a class of 30 children each day and accommodate 20 of them who either have a learning disability, behaviour exceptionalities, intellectual delays, ADHD and comorbid disorders, as well as giftedness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see you try teaching a class of 30 children each day and accommodate 20 of them who either have a learning disability, behaviour exceptionalities, intellectual delays, ADHD and comorbid disorders, as well as giftedness.</p>
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		<title>By: VictoriaS</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88239</link>
		<dc:creator>VictoriaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At age 2, he understood what $4.95 meant. At age 3 he was reading signs as we drove, and I thought he was just reading by association (ex) the big M is macdonalds) By grade 2 he said the work was too easy. By grade 3 he felt he should be in grade 5 (our school is multigrade &amp; he was doing the gr 5 math). In grade 5, he came home crying &amp; frustrated because he had to draw little circles &amp; boxes to do the multiplication - he refused because he could do it all in his head, &amp; felt insulted. We finally took action in grade 6 to have him tested.

Our son now takes courses online from the John Hopkins University CTY program. He loves it! The main issue that we now have is the cost. It costs about $1200.00 per course. We live in a rural community, and our school division does not provide any advanced placement type courses.

I am wondering if anyone knows of scholarships that might be available for talented students in the public school system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At age 2, he understood what $4.95 meant. At age 3 he was reading signs as we drove, and I thought he was just reading by association (ex) the big M is macdonalds) By grade 2 he said the work was too easy. By grade 3 he felt he should be in grade 5 (our school is multigrade &amp; he was doing the gr 5 math). In grade 5, he came home crying &amp; frustrated because he had to draw little circles &amp; boxes to do the multiplication &#8211; he refused because he could do it all in his head, &amp; felt insulted. We finally took action in grade 6 to have him tested.</p>
<p>Our son now takes courses online from the John Hopkins University CTY program. He loves it! The main issue that we now have is the cost. It costs about $1200.00 per course. We live in a rural community, and our school division does not provide any advanced placement type courses.</p>
<p>I am wondering if anyone knows of scholarships that might be available for talented students in the public school system?</p>
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		<title>By: P Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88238</link>
		<dc:creator>P Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My child&#039;s school told me that previously they had a &quot;wonderful&quot; gifted program but that the most recent provincial government cancelled all funding when they came into power.
Why does their have to be $$$$ dollar signs (i.e. funding for gifted) on my child&#039;s head before the schools will do something for him??? Why do I have to become someone who has to push constantly to get things done for my child knowing they are being done begrudgingly rather than willingly.
The thought has occurred to me that if there was funding for a school lunch program/breakfast program and you knew that there were kids for whom this may be their only meal for the day, would you stop trying to feed those kids if funding was cut??  Of course not.
Where is the professional/moral obligation to our kids??  .....It isn&#039;t there.
We need to educate the educators, educate the public and keep our voices heard...not just as individuals but in numbers.
Our kids are not just bright,  they are gifted.....there should not be guilt associated with saying this.... it is just a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My child&#8217;s school told me that previously they had a &#8220;wonderful&#8221; gifted program but that the most recent provincial government cancelled all funding when they came into power.<br />
Why does their have to be $$$$ dollar signs (i.e. funding for gifted) on my child&#8217;s head before the schools will do something for him??? Why do I have to become someone who has to push constantly to get things done for my child knowing they are being done begrudgingly rather than willingly.<br />
The thought has occurred to me that if there was funding for a school lunch program/breakfast program and you knew that there were kids for whom this may be their only meal for the day, would you stop trying to feed those kids if funding was cut??  Of course not.<br />
Where is the professional/moral obligation to our kids??  &#8230;..It isn&#8217;t there.<br />
We need to educate the educators, educate the public and keep our voices heard&#8230;not just as individuals but in numbers.<br />
Our kids are not just bright,  they are gifted&#8230;..there should not be guilt associated with saying this&#8230;. it is just a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Fed Up With Peel Board</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88237</link>
		<dc:creator>Fed Up With Peel Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian &amp; Lorinne,

My sympathies - such a similar story to my own son&#039;s who is now in grade 8.  The first meeting with his kindergarten teacher literally started with the words &quot;Are you taking him to the doctor to see about medication?&quot;  We had never had issues or problems in nursery school.  He was well adjusted with many friends.  He entered public school and the boredom started, followed by the &quot;ADHD like behaviour&quot; and being ostracized by everyone.  Our son did get into a gifted contained class in grade 4.  My opinion on that, based on his experiences, is that they can make friends within the class, but within the school at large, they are just one big group to be ostracized and bullied and made fun of - and depending on the school administration not just by the students!  Like so many others private school is not an option and in our case neither is home schooling - first and foremost I don&#039;t feel qualified.  The things my son enjoys learning and doing on his own are too far beyond my own comprehension and I&#039;m certainly not trained as a teacher.  I wish I could tell you that it gets better as they get older, but it doesn&#039;t.   I will never understand why acceleration is no longer a viable option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian &amp; Lorinne,</p>
<p>My sympathies &#8211; such a similar story to my own son&#8217;s who is now in grade 8.  The first meeting with his kindergarten teacher literally started with the words &#8220;Are you taking him to the doctor to see about medication?&#8221;  We had never had issues or problems in nursery school.  He was well adjusted with many friends.  He entered public school and the boredom started, followed by the &#8220;ADHD like behaviour&#8221; and being ostracized by everyone.  Our son did get into a gifted contained class in grade 4.  My opinion on that, based on his experiences, is that they can make friends within the class, but within the school at large, they are just one big group to be ostracized and bullied and made fun of &#8211; and depending on the school administration not just by the students!  Like so many others private school is not an option and in our case neither is home schooling &#8211; first and foremost I don&#8217;t feel qualified.  The things my son enjoys learning and doing on his own are too far beyond my own comprehension and I&#8217;m certainly not trained as a teacher.  I wish I could tell you that it gets better as they get older, but it doesn&#8217;t.   I will never understand why acceleration is no longer a viable option.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorinne</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88236</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree... but unfortunately most school boards seeing some value in those stones think that it is more cost effective to pick up the stones on the surface than to dig for other treasures. They don&#039;t really put the children first, they are only looking at their bottom line... their budget. The budget comes first and they fit the needs of the children in where they can, with the needs of gifted children at the very bottom of their priorities. Schools &amp; school boards seem to have taken a &quot;you can&#039;t help them all&quot; attitude and tend to focus on what will be of most help to the majority population (the average learner). What is sadder is that there is a growing number of the general population who in their ignorance are taking the same biggoted view. If it were not for government legistlation schools and school boards would be leaving gifted and LD learners completely out in the cold. However, even with government legistlation many schools &amp; boards do little or anything (unless a parent has spent much time &amp; money fighting for it) because there is no one enforsing the legistlation! As well, parent councils, whose job was long ago meant to hold teachers and school boards accountable, have over the years been striped of their original mandate and limited to the role of activity and fundraising coordinators.
I am so thankful for this McClean&#039;s article as it brings the issue to the forefront. We need more articles digging further into this issue, and we need the parents of gifted children to stand up and start advocating for change... not just for their own child, but for all gifted children. Why? Because if you think it is bad now, if no one advocates for improvement, it will only be worse for our grandchildren and great grand children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree&#8230; but unfortunately most school boards seeing some value in those stones think that it is more cost effective to pick up the stones on the surface than to dig for other treasures. They don&#8217;t really put the children first, they are only looking at their bottom line&#8230; their budget. The budget comes first and they fit the needs of the children in where they can, with the needs of gifted children at the very bottom of their priorities. Schools &amp; school boards seem to have taken a &#8220;you can&#8217;t help them all&#8221; attitude and tend to focus on what will be of most help to the majority population (the average learner). What is sadder is that there is a growing number of the general population who in their ignorance are taking the same biggoted view. If it were not for government legistlation schools and school boards would be leaving gifted and LD learners completely out in the cold. However, even with government legistlation many schools &amp; boards do little or anything (unless a parent has spent much time &amp; money fighting for it) because there is no one enforsing the legistlation! As well, parent councils, whose job was long ago meant to hold teachers and school boards accountable, have over the years been striped of their original mandate and limited to the role of activity and fundraising coordinators.<br />
I am so thankful for this McClean&#8217;s article as it brings the issue to the forefront. We need more articles digging further into this issue, and we need the parents of gifted children to stand up and start advocating for change&#8230; not just for their own child, but for all gifted children. Why? Because if you think it is bad now, if no one advocates for improvement, it will only be worse for our grandchildren and great grand children.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88235</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously we have been told the same thing and his Grade 1 teacher tried twice to tell us to take him to a doctor for ADHD. Not even after we told her we have been before but the result was that he is a bright kid and after we showed her his tests, she still did not seem to understand anything.
Who doesn&#039;t have AD when facing a boring subject? And what bright kid whose brain is working several times faster than an average kid is not hyperactive? These are not medical conditions, they are just the effect of their giftedness. I was explained even why they are stubborn and how this stubbornness can be changed into determination through adequate education. I know work with gifted children is a lot harder than the one with average kids but the same way is much easier to pick-up stones rather than digging for diamonds. Does it mean we should not dig for diamonds anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously we have been told the same thing and his Grade 1 teacher tried twice to tell us to take him to a doctor for ADHD. Not even after we told her we have been before but the result was that he is a bright kid and after we showed her his tests, she still did not seem to understand anything.<br />
Who doesn&#8217;t have AD when facing a boring subject? And what bright kid whose brain is working several times faster than an average kid is not hyperactive? These are not medical conditions, they are just the effect of their giftedness. I was explained even why they are stubborn and how this stubbornness can be changed into determination through adequate education. I know work with gifted children is a lot harder than the one with average kids but the same way is much easier to pick-up stones rather than digging for diamonds. Does it mean we should not dig for diamonds anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: Lorinne</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88234</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG Adrian! Our experiences are nearly identical. We had the same troubles with our SK teacher this year, and the more I advocated for gifted programming the more the teacher and school seemed to dig in their heels against it. In our case however, we were at a Private Christian School. The staff had absolutely no understanding what-so-ever of how to address the needs of a gifted learner. Instead they wanted to label my daughter as being ADD or AD/HD, and suggested I should have her tested by a pediatrician. The other kids picked up on the teacher&#039;s negative attitude towards my daughter and they behaved accordingly towards her with the exception of a very small few. But even still she could not form any bonds of friendships because her vocabulary and interests were so far beyond the norm for the age that her age peers couldn&#039;t relate and the general perception was that she was just weird. I did have my child tested, but by a psychologist... and the tests and her observations proved what I already knew, that my child was not ADD or AD/HD, but was in fact gifted. I ended up withdrawing my child from the school and tried to find another in our area that might better serve her needs, but there were none. Northern Ontario communities are sadly lacking adequate programs for gifted kids. We don&#039;t have PACE or other private schools which are endeavoring to educate bright &amp; gifted children, so Northern Ontario children who are bright or gifted are being robbed of their legal right to be educated and to progress at their own rate. Ask the public and Catholic boards however, and they all boast that their programs are doing an exceptional job of meeting the needs of gifted students. Ask the parents... well they are thankful for what little is offered... and most had to fight hard to get it, but they agree it is far from adequate. And most state that they could not afford private education if it were available. I and others like me who are burned out from fighting a system and getting no where, have no other option but to home school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG Adrian! Our experiences are nearly identical. We had the same troubles with our SK teacher this year, and the more I advocated for gifted programming the more the teacher and school seemed to dig in their heels against it. In our case however, we were at a Private Christian School. The staff had absolutely no understanding what-so-ever of how to address the needs of a gifted learner. Instead they wanted to label my daughter as being ADD or AD/HD, and suggested I should have her tested by a pediatrician. The other kids picked up on the teacher&#8217;s negative attitude towards my daughter and they behaved accordingly towards her with the exception of a very small few. But even still she could not form any bonds of friendships because her vocabulary and interests were so far beyond the norm for the age that her age peers couldn&#8217;t relate and the general perception was that she was just weird. I did have my child tested, but by a psychologist&#8230; and the tests and her observations proved what I already knew, that my child was not ADD or AD/HD, but was in fact gifted. I ended up withdrawing my child from the school and tried to find another in our area that might better serve her needs, but there were none. Northern Ontario communities are sadly lacking adequate programs for gifted kids. We don&#8217;t have PACE or other private schools which are endeavoring to educate bright &amp; gifted children, so Northern Ontario children who are bright or gifted are being robbed of their legal right to be educated and to progress at their own rate. Ask the public and Catholic boards however, and they all boast that their programs are doing an exceptional job of meeting the needs of gifted students. Ask the parents&#8230; well they are thankful for what little is offered&#8230; and most had to fight hard to get it, but they agree it is far from adequate. And most state that they could not afford private education if it were available. I and others like me who are burned out from fighting a system and getting no where, have no other option but to home school.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88233</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard of gifted children special classes before having a kid of my own from various friends. Some might believe these programs are meant to help gifted kids to advance at a higher pace due to their higher skills. Well, after having such a kid (highest mark - 99% in all three tests performed on pre-school kids) I found this is not true. There are several issues regarding bright kids. One is that being bored of what they are doing in school (things they already know or repeating numerous times something they catch from the first time) within a short period of time they become under-achievers. Due to their different interests than most other kids, they are soon rejected by the other kids and then bullied. Unfortunately kids are bright since they are born not from 4th grade and until then they are completely unprotected. My kid in JK started having a hard time because his teacher insisted to do with him the same curriculum as the other kids. The fact he was already reading and writing and was performing additions, subtractions and multiplications had no importance and was asked to write numbers from 1 to 10. Fortunately he soon got a new teacher who told us that he is completely bored and they started giving him tests and books from SK and Grade 1 level. They also told us to enroll him at PACE academy, if we can, because in public school he will have real problems. The same advice we got from a specialist in bright kids after she briefly consulted our son. Moreover, she even told us all difficulties our son will encounter in a public school. We had him tested for PACE and as I said he got the maximum scores in all 3 tests. However, due to logistics issues we enrolled him into a public school. In four months we had been called 3 times by his teacher. Beside the fact his teacher did not even notice his giftedness she was trying to tell us he is the slowest in the class. I clearly saw in her eyes she really hated our son and according to her own words she was trying to crush his stubbornness most of the time. This was due mainly because our son was correcting her during classes and because he developed silliness as the only answer to high frustration he was enduring. Moreover, his teacher did such a way to be rejected by the other kids too (in order not to influence them) and even more than that isolated him in the class. Of course, things are a lot more complicated than this but it would be hard to present them all. Obviously we could have gone to the Principal, but I had to remember what I was told that will happen and we decided to enroll him in PACE right away especially after he spent one day in that school, and for the first time I saw him really excited after one day of school.
In conclusion, what some may see as a luxury treatment for gifted children they should rather see it as a necessary protection for them in order not to waste an important intelectual capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard of gifted children special classes before having a kid of my own from various friends. Some might believe these programs are meant to help gifted kids to advance at a higher pace due to their higher skills. Well, after having such a kid (highest mark &#8211; 99% in all three tests performed on pre-school kids) I found this is not true. There are several issues regarding bright kids. One is that being bored of what they are doing in school (things they already know or repeating numerous times something they catch from the first time) within a short period of time they become under-achievers. Due to their different interests than most other kids, they are soon rejected by the other kids and then bullied. Unfortunately kids are bright since they are born not from 4th grade and until then they are completely unprotected. My kid in JK started having a hard time because his teacher insisted to do with him the same curriculum as the other kids. The fact he was already reading and writing and was performing additions, subtractions and multiplications had no importance and was asked to write numbers from 1 to 10. Fortunately he soon got a new teacher who told us that he is completely bored and they started giving him tests and books from SK and Grade 1 level. They also told us to enroll him at PACE academy, if we can, because in public school he will have real problems. The same advice we got from a specialist in bright kids after she briefly consulted our son. Moreover, she even told us all difficulties our son will encounter in a public school. We had him tested for PACE and as I said he got the maximum scores in all 3 tests. However, due to logistics issues we enrolled him into a public school. In four months we had been called 3 times by his teacher. Beside the fact his teacher did not even notice his giftedness she was trying to tell us he is the slowest in the class. I clearly saw in her eyes she really hated our son and according to her own words she was trying to crush his stubbornness most of the time. This was due mainly because our son was correcting her during classes and because he developed silliness as the only answer to high frustration he was enduring. Moreover, his teacher did such a way to be rejected by the other kids too (in order not to influence them) and even more than that isolated him in the class. Of course, things are a lot more complicated than this but it would be hard to present them all. Obviously we could have gone to the Principal, but I had to remember what I was told that will happen and we decided to enroll him in PACE right away especially after he spent one day in that school, and for the first time I saw him really excited after one day of school.<br />
In conclusion, what some may see as a luxury treatment for gifted children they should rather see it as a necessary protection for them in order not to waste an important intelectual capital.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean G.</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88232</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you saying that all children are of equal intelligence?
Just because a board abused a funding grant by purposly mis-diagnosing children doesn&#039;t mean that there aren&#039;t children out there with special education needs. Many children are privately assessed and diagnosed as LD, gifted or gifted/LD.
These is no funding for a diagnosis of ADHD in Ontario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you saying that all children are of equal intelligence?<br />
Just because a board abused a funding grant by purposly mis-diagnosing children doesn&#8217;t mean that there aren&#8217;t children out there with special education needs. Many children are privately assessed and diagnosed as LD, gifted or gifted/LD.<br />
These is no funding for a diagnosis of ADHD in Ontario.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean G.</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88231</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the answer is to have children assessed by psychologist employed by the Ministry of Education instead of by the school boards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the answer is to have children assessed by psychologist employed by the Ministry of Education instead of by the school boards.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean G.</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88230</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to get more involved in our Municipal elections. What are the educational views of those running for trustee. Trustees make policy at school boards. Nothing will change unless we start questioning our trustees and expecting them to be advocates for our children instead of making policies that cater to Administration. The Ontario Ministry of Education allows accelerations, it&#039;s the schools who don&#039;t allow it because of polices make by trustees. In the next Municipal election, instead voting for the person at the top of the list of those running for trustee or the name you recognize, investigate the views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to get more involved in our Municipal elections. What are the educational views of those running for trustee. Trustees make policy at school boards. Nothing will change unless we start questioning our trustees and expecting them to be advocates for our children instead of making policies that cater to Administration. The Ontario Ministry of Education allows accelerations, it&#8217;s the schools who don&#8217;t allow it because of polices make by trustees. In the next Municipal election, instead voting for the person at the top of the list of those running for trustee or the name you recognize, investigate the views.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean G.</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88229</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The standards are NOT getting higher, they&#039;re getting lower. The Peel board now says that a level 2 on the EQAO is acceptable because level 2 is equal to a C which is a passing grade. If a student gets a D the teacher can, and sometimes is required to, bump it to a C.

Gifted children are bored in the regular classroom. Try taking a beginners typing lesson 5 days a week for 6 weeks, you&#039;ll see what I mean. You&#039;ll likey dropout before the course is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The standards are NOT getting higher, they&#8217;re getting lower. The Peel board now says that a level 2 on the EQAO is acceptable because level 2 is equal to a C which is a passing grade. If a student gets a D the teacher can, and sometimes is required to, bump it to a C.</p>
<p>Gifted children are bored in the regular classroom. Try taking a beginners typing lesson 5 days a week for 6 weeks, you&#8217;ll see what I mean. You&#8217;ll likey dropout before the course is over.</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88228</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not from this website but it is full of useful resources. There are schools out there that can help http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/schools.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not from this website but it is full of useful resources. There are schools out there that can help <a href="http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/schools.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/schools.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gifted Child</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88227</link>
		<dc:creator>Gifted Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so unfair. Why not ask parents with slow kids to stay home and home school them!? My parents had jobs, they couldn&#039;t ditch them to stay home with me and my sister (we were both deemed gifted).

Honestly, if you wouldn&#039;t ask that of a parent with a learning disabled child, don&#039;t ask it of a parent who happens to have a gifted child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so unfair. Why not ask parents with slow kids to stay home and home school them!? My parents had jobs, they couldn&#8217;t ditch them to stay home with me and my sister (we were both deemed gifted).</p>
<p>Honestly, if you wouldn&#8217;t ask that of a parent with a learning disabled child, don&#8217;t ask it of a parent who happens to have a gifted child.</p>
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		<title>By: cash-strapped</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88226</link>
		<dc:creator>cash-strapped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerned Parent, are you trying to say that many bright children are misidentified as LD so they can get funded? That would mean that boards were giving IQ tests to look for such a thing. Not happening in my experience. IEP vs Report Card? In the 8 years experience I have with IEPs for gifted children - there has never once been an alteration in grade expectations for my gifted kids, nor for the gifted kids of any other parent I know.

The whole discussion about ISA funding is not generally a part of the knowledge base of the everyday parent. There was a freeze of sorts on psychoeducational testing about 7 years ago regarding the whole ISA mess and I can agree that boards who were over identifiying LD or behaviour were massively rewarded for it. And then - those false figures were used as a base for future funding, if I remember correctly.

Gifted receives next to no funding, therefore there was no reward to identify gifted and gifted psychoeducational testing was practically non-existent.

Speaking again from a Peel perspective, Peel used to have a gifted program that was envied and studied by experts from other countries because it was so well run. (Same program that spawned the Peel Summer Academy). Now the program is as marginalized as the kids are. There is very little support, infrequent professional development opportunities and no defineable program. The joke of the so called &#039;3 year Gifted Review&#039; which started in 2005 and was sceduled to be presented in spring 2008, has yet to be revealed. Maybe the review exposes more in support of actual gifted education than the Peel Board is willing to implement? Kids and parents were surveyed - I filled it out and so did my son - I asked for a copy of the review when it was completed.

Where is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned Parent, are you trying to say that many bright children are misidentified as LD so they can get funded? That would mean that boards were giving IQ tests to look for such a thing. Not happening in my experience. IEP vs Report Card? In the 8 years experience I have with IEPs for gifted children &#8211; there has never once been an alteration in grade expectations for my gifted kids, nor for the gifted kids of any other parent I know.</p>
<p>The whole discussion about ISA funding is not generally a part of the knowledge base of the everyday parent. There was a freeze of sorts on psychoeducational testing about 7 years ago regarding the whole ISA mess and I can agree that boards who were over identifiying LD or behaviour were massively rewarded for it. And then &#8211; those false figures were used as a base for future funding, if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>Gifted receives next to no funding, therefore there was no reward to identify gifted and gifted psychoeducational testing was practically non-existent.</p>
<p>Speaking again from a Peel perspective, Peel used to have a gifted program that was envied and studied by experts from other countries because it was so well run. (Same program that spawned the Peel Summer Academy). Now the program is as marginalized as the kids are. There is very little support, infrequent professional development opportunities and no defineable program. The joke of the so called &#8217;3 year Gifted Review&#8217; which started in 2005 and was sceduled to be presented in spring 2008, has yet to be revealed. Maybe the review exposes more in support of actual gifted education than the Peel Board is willing to implement? Kids and parents were surveyed &#8211; I filled it out and so did my son &#8211; I asked for a copy of the review when it was completed.</p>
<p>Where is it?</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88225</link>
		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a gifted child that was never truly challenged, reaching university was a wonderful experience and opened up my eyes to how enjoyable education can truly be when challenged.

I think it is shameful that public education takes a one-size fits-all approach.  Only average students benefit from this.  Students with abilities that differ from the average are not well-served.

Why is it that the &quot;average&quot; students get an education taylored to their abilities and the rest of the students must settle with less?  How is this equality in the slightest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gifted child that was never truly challenged, reaching university was a wonderful experience and opened up my eyes to how enjoyable education can truly be when challenged.</p>
<p>I think it is shameful that public education takes a one-size fits-all approach.  Only average students benefit from this.  Students with abilities that differ from the average are not well-served.</p>
<p>Why is it that the &#8220;average&#8221; students get an education taylored to their abilities and the rest of the students must settle with less?  How is this equality in the slightest?</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88224</link>
		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true.  The one-size-fits-all approach of the public education system serves only one group of students: the average.  Everybody on the fringes is served very poorly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true.  The one-size-fits-all approach of the public education system serves only one group of students: the average.  Everybody on the fringes is served very poorly.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on earth would you claim that calculus is not meaningful nor stimulating?  Calculus is wonderful.  I loved it.</description>
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		<title>By: Concerned Parent</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88222</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your child has IEP (ie Special ed) on their report card the grades are completely meaningless. Most kids in Special Ed are LD (Learning Disabled) and were mis-diagnosed and labelled in Ontario&#039;s Diagnosis for Dollars scandal. The definition used for LD to claim a billion dollars a year from the government was a definition of LD that had been discredited by the US government and its leading academics in the field.
The reason is that the Ontario definition of Learning Disability massively over-identifies very bright children ie close to &#039;gifted&#039;, This just means that this children are about 2-3 years or grade levels in advance of their peers. The research for home-schooled children shows that on average they are also 2-3 years in advance of their peers. This is not because they are &#039;gifted&#039; - but as the research has well established just being taught at their own pace and are motivated to learn as they can focus on what interest them ie an individually tailored program. The research shows that the average 2-3 years that home-schoolers are in advance of both public and private school children is regardless of the education level of the parents.

In Ontario we no longer have to guess which bright children were labelled by Ontario&#039;s diagnosis for dollars Special Ed C$billion ISA scandal as the Toronto District school board just published EQAO test results by race. It is immigrant minorities that have been targeted and most of their brightest children diagnosed as LD or LD/gifted by the bogus ISA definition (2- standard deviations of IQ in one area versus an academic score in one unrelated subject). Total nonsense of course - but it did bring in Billions of dollars in extra funding and school boards evaded most of the ex Premier Mike Harris education cuts by mis-diagnosing immigrant children especially in Toronto.

In addition billions of dollars were claimed under the behavioural profiles for ISA (Intensive Support Amount) that made unruly children worth up to $27,000 per year. This had the perverse incentive of rewarding schools for bad behaviour; is it any wonder that the schools in Toronto are now so violent?

All this is well documented on the internet.
The US and UK have recognised their mistakes in labelling kids LD and ADHD etc and have put in extensive reforms to stop the irreparable damage to children.
When will Ontario and Canada follow the rest of the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your child has IEP (ie Special ed) on their report card the grades are completely meaningless. Most kids in Special Ed are LD (Learning Disabled) and were mis-diagnosed and labelled in Ontario&#8217;s Diagnosis for Dollars scandal. The definition used for LD to claim a billion dollars a year from the government was a definition of LD that had been discredited by the US government and its leading academics in the field.<br />
The reason is that the Ontario definition of Learning Disability massively over-identifies very bright children ie close to &#8216;gifted&#8217;, This just means that this children are about 2-3 years or grade levels in advance of their peers. The research for home-schooled children shows that on average they are also 2-3 years in advance of their peers. This is not because they are &#8216;gifted&#8217; &#8211; but as the research has well established just being taught at their own pace and are motivated to learn as they can focus on what interest them ie an individually tailored program. The research shows that the average 2-3 years that home-schoolers are in advance of both public and private school children is regardless of the education level of the parents.</p>
<p>In Ontario we no longer have to guess which bright children were labelled by Ontario&#8217;s diagnosis for dollars Special Ed C$billion ISA scandal as the Toronto District school board just published EQAO test results by race. It is immigrant minorities that have been targeted and most of their brightest children diagnosed as LD or LD/gifted by the bogus ISA definition (2- standard deviations of IQ in one area versus an academic score in one unrelated subject). Total nonsense of course &#8211; but it did bring in Billions of dollars in extra funding and school boards evaded most of the ex Premier Mike Harris education cuts by mis-diagnosing immigrant children especially in Toronto.</p>
<p>In addition billions of dollars were claimed under the behavioural profiles for ISA (Intensive Support Amount) that made unruly children worth up to $27,000 per year. This had the perverse incentive of rewarding schools for bad behaviour; is it any wonder that the schools in Toronto are now so violent?</p>
<p>All this is well documented on the internet.<br />
The US and UK have recognised their mistakes in labelling kids LD and ADHD etc and have put in extensive reforms to stop the irreparable damage to children.<br />
When will Ontario and Canada follow the rest of the world?</p>
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		<title>By: Fed up with Peel Board</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed up with Peel Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have a profoundly gifted child who is in the top 99.9th percentile.  I am grateful that he is in a contained gifted class, given the existing alternatives in our school board.  But after 5 years of a contained class believe me when I say it is not the panacea that it is made out to be.

My son has suffered - often along with class mates as being in the &quot;nerd&quot; or &quot;geek&quot; class - made fun of and bullied - and not just bye the other students, but often by the adults in the school.  He has had teachers and administrators  make comments lke &quot;you&#039;re not so special, just wait until you get out into the real world&quot; etc..  Teachers have turned the other way when he has been picked on in the school playground at recess. I could go on and on.  His experiences in the gifted contained class have varied in accordance with the support of the school administration.  When a prinicpal wants the gifted class in his/her school and supports it, we have a better year.  When the administrator doesn&#039;t want or believe in gifted education it has been a disaster.  Similarly when the teacher wants to be in the class with these students they do much better, but that is also hit and miss.

All this and my son is often still bored in his class.  Why?  All this money is spent to bus him to a different school for his gifted contained class where he learns the same ciriculum as everyone else in his grade - but he does get to do his own independent research project every semester.  When I contacted Peel Board about acceleration I was laughingly told by our school supperintendent that acceleration is not emotionally good for gifted children.  It sets them apart and makes them appear different.  Here&#039;s a news flash they are different - they know it and so does everyone else.  My son has trouble relating to people his own age but gets along well with older kids or younger kids.  But we wouldn&#039;t want to &quot;emotionally scar&quot; him by moving him to a grade level where he might be challenged and where he might be able to make friends and where the cost would be minimal.  Instead he is left to the hit and miss of his gifted contained class.

And by the way to the person who commented on how it is also the parents&#039; responsibility to shoulder some of this burden - gifted kids don&#039;t just end up in the homes of people with high incomes.  We&#039;re lucky that we&#039;ve been able to afford two rounds of private testing (one more to go in grade 12 for university) at $2,000 each, not to mention gifted summer camp at $1600 for two weeks, not to mention Kumon at $100 per month because the school system never taught our son basic mathematics, not to mention membership costs to things like the ROM and Science Centre to keep him interested, etc., etc., etc.

I often say the label &quot;gifted&quot; is so inappropriate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have a profoundly gifted child who is in the top 99.9th percentile.  I am grateful that he is in a contained gifted class, given the existing alternatives in our school board.  But after 5 years of a contained class believe me when I say it is not the panacea that it is made out to be.</p>
<p>My son has suffered &#8211; often along with class mates as being in the &#8220;nerd&#8221; or &#8220;geek&#8221; class &#8211; made fun of and bullied &#8211; and not just bye the other students, but often by the adults in the school.  He has had teachers and administrators  make comments lke &#8220;you&#8217;re not so special, just wait until you get out into the real world&#8221; etc..  Teachers have turned the other way when he has been picked on in the school playground at recess. I could go on and on.  His experiences in the gifted contained class have varied in accordance with the support of the school administration.  When a prinicpal wants the gifted class in his/her school and supports it, we have a better year.  When the administrator doesn&#8217;t want or believe in gifted education it has been a disaster.  Similarly when the teacher wants to be in the class with these students they do much better, but that is also hit and miss.</p>
<p>All this and my son is often still bored in his class.  Why?  All this money is spent to bus him to a different school for his gifted contained class where he learns the same ciriculum as everyone else in his grade &#8211; but he does get to do his own independent research project every semester.  When I contacted Peel Board about acceleration I was laughingly told by our school supperintendent that acceleration is not emotionally good for gifted children.  It sets them apart and makes them appear different.  Here&#8217;s a news flash they are different &#8211; they know it and so does everyone else.  My son has trouble relating to people his own age but gets along well with older kids or younger kids.  But we wouldn&#8217;t want to &#8220;emotionally scar&#8221; him by moving him to a grade level where he might be challenged and where he might be able to make friends and where the cost would be minimal.  Instead he is left to the hit and miss of his gifted contained class.</p>
<p>And by the way to the person who commented on how it is also the parents&#8217; responsibility to shoulder some of this burden &#8211; gifted kids don&#8217;t just end up in the homes of people with high incomes.  We&#8217;re lucky that we&#8217;ve been able to afford two rounds of private testing (one more to go in grade 12 for university) at $2,000 each, not to mention gifted summer camp at $1600 for two weeks, not to mention Kumon at $100 per month because the school system never taught our son basic mathematics, not to mention membership costs to things like the ROM and Science Centre to keep him interested, etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>I often say the label &#8220;gifted&#8221; is so inappropriate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cash-strapped</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88220</link>
		<dc:creator>Cash-strapped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to hear a &quot;good news&quot; story. Thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: Gifted Child</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88219</link>
		<dc:creator>Gifted Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in the gifted program from grade 2 until grade 8, followed by enriched classes all through high school, and it made all the difference in the world. The thought that another gifted student  might have to persevere through ordinary classes for years is saddening as being with people several levels below you is frustrating and quite boring, something many people will never truly understand. It sounds conceited, but it&#039;s the equivalent of spending 8h a day with someone who doesn&#039;t get things that you consider simple concepts, and having nothing else you&#039;re allowed to do but sit there until everyone in the class gets what you figured out in 5 minutes. I am a product of the gifted program in Etobicoke, On. and hope that every child that qualifies in the future has the same opportunity to learn and grow as I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the gifted program from grade 2 until grade 8, followed by enriched classes all through high school, and it made all the difference in the world. The thought that another gifted student  might have to persevere through ordinary classes for years is saddening as being with people several levels below you is frustrating and quite boring, something many people will never truly understand. It sounds conceited, but it&#8217;s the equivalent of spending 8h a day with someone who doesn&#8217;t get things that you consider simple concepts, and having nothing else you&#8217;re allowed to do but sit there until everyone in the class gets what you figured out in 5 minutes. I am a product of the gifted program in Etobicoke, On. and hope that every child that qualifies in the future has the same opportunity to learn and grow as I did.</p>
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		<title>By: P Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88218</link>
		<dc:creator>P Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LisaDSB : I would like to commend you on your courage.
 I think that we, as parents, have to speak loud and then louder again to dispel the mis-eduacation out there about our gifted children ...as well as  the mis-education OF our gifted children.
As JFK said &quot;A child miseducated is a child lost&quot; and that is really what is happening in the school system with some of our brightest and most capable minds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LisaDSB : I would like to commend you on your courage.<br />
 I think that we, as parents, have to speak loud and then louder again to dispel the mis-eduacation out there about our gifted children &#8230;as well as  the mis-education OF our gifted children.<br />
As JFK said &#8220;A child miseducated is a child lost&#8221; and that is really what is happening in the school system with some of our brightest and most capable minds!</p>
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		<title>By: LisaDSB</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88217</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaDSB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both of my kids have been privately assessed -- and both have IQs that place them as far in the &quot;gifted&quot; end of the spectrum as someone who is severly mentally handicapped would be on the other end of it.    Trust me, it is a mixed blessing.  It is very isolating to the entire family to have kids like this and they have many issues and quirks to their personalities that are not easy to live with.

I looked at putting my eldest child in public school but, at Kindergarten age, I had a child who could read encyclopedias and do multiplication.  The school would have put him in grade one where  the kids (a year further ahead of where my child was at the time) were doing single digit adding and sounding out letters.  It would have been a recipe for disaster!

They would not consider acceleration, and the only gifted assessments begin in grade 4.  I cannot understand why the schools don&#039;t do gifted assessments earlier.  As any parent of a gifted child knows, it is very clear by toddlerhood that your child is different.  By the time you get to the 4th grade, a  child who has been forced to sit through years of mind-numbing &quot;education&quot; will likely have tuned out, had their innate love of learning permanently squelched, been labled as a trouble-maker and/or medicated into compliance.

I refused to put my kids through this, and have given up a professional career to homeschool them.  Sometimes, if you want a job done right, you simply have to do it yourself.

To all those who can&#039;t homeschool their gifted kids for whatever reason, or don&#039;t have adequate gifted programming elsewhere, my heart goes out to you.  It&#039;s time people stopped thinking of gifted education as &quot;elitist&quot; and started putting some effort toward making the most of these brains!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both of my kids have been privately assessed &#8212; and both have IQs that place them as far in the &#8220;gifted&#8221; end of the spectrum as someone who is severly mentally handicapped would be on the other end of it.    Trust me, it is a mixed blessing.  It is very isolating to the entire family to have kids like this and they have many issues and quirks to their personalities that are not easy to live with.</p>
<p>I looked at putting my eldest child in public school but, at Kindergarten age, I had a child who could read encyclopedias and do multiplication.  The school would have put him in grade one where  the kids (a year further ahead of where my child was at the time) were doing single digit adding and sounding out letters.  It would have been a recipe for disaster!</p>
<p>They would not consider acceleration, and the only gifted assessments begin in grade 4.  I cannot understand why the schools don&#8217;t do gifted assessments earlier.  As any parent of a gifted child knows, it is very clear by toddlerhood that your child is different.  By the time you get to the 4th grade, a  child who has been forced to sit through years of mind-numbing &#8220;education&#8221; will likely have tuned out, had their innate love of learning permanently squelched, been labled as a trouble-maker and/or medicated into compliance.</p>
<p>I refused to put my kids through this, and have given up a professional career to homeschool them.  Sometimes, if you want a job done right, you simply have to do it yourself.</p>
<p>To all those who can&#8217;t homeschool their gifted kids for whatever reason, or don&#8217;t have adequate gifted programming elsewhere, my heart goes out to you.  It&#8217;s time people stopped thinking of gifted education as &#8220;elitist&#8221; and started putting some effort toward making the most of these brains!</p>
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		<title>By: Cash-strapped</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cash-strapped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually in response to Mike..

That is the thing Mike - there have been very few additonal social problems for radically accelerated kids, - check out A Nation Deceived and read up on the Iowa Acceleration Scale - if done properly, acceleration works very well.

You have to take into account that a kid who is 5 years ahead in Math for example ALREADY sticks out in the regular class. Being in a class of older kids might make him stick out, but at least people can understand *why* a bit better. Older kids tend to be more mature than the grade-mates anyway, just because they are older. They could be more accepting of someone so different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually in response to Mike..</p>
<p>That is the thing Mike &#8211; there have been very few additonal social problems for radically accelerated kids, &#8211; check out A Nation Deceived and read up on the Iowa Acceleration Scale &#8211; if done properly, acceleration works very well.</p>
<p>You have to take into account that a kid who is 5 years ahead in Math for example ALREADY sticks out in the regular class. Being in a class of older kids might make him stick out, but at least people can understand *why* a bit better. Older kids tend to be more mature than the grade-mates anyway, just because they are older. They could be more accepting of someone so different.</p>
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		<title>By: hosertohoosier</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88215</link>
		<dc:creator>hosertohoosier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerned parent, there most definitely are such things as learning disabilities. The issue is (by the way I am no expert) that learning disabilities are generally fairly specific. We need to stop thinking in terms of learning disabled vs. gifted - you don&#039;t need to buy into specific intelligences theory to conclude that people can be excellent at some things (eg. visual-spatial reasoning) and horrible at others (say, verbal tasks).

A friend of mine, for instance, is incapable of visualizing things. I may not have a &quot;learning disability&quot; but I definitely process the spoken word more slowly than most people. Both of us have done well by finding strategies to get around our shortcomings (I insert prefaces to everything I say, but am secretly figuring out what the other person said). Of course it is difficult when teachers teach things in very specific ways.

P Walsh, I definitely emphathize with your son&#039;s situation. In grade 3 I was put on the &quot;dumb table&quot; (the ordering of the tables in class was fairly obvious), and tested for a learning disability because I was disengaged from school. Based on the test it was recommended I go to gifted classes, and there I went (in spite of the specific objection of my grade 3 teacher, who still thought I was dumb as a rock).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned parent, there most definitely are such things as learning disabilities. The issue is (by the way I am no expert) that learning disabilities are generally fairly specific. We need to stop thinking in terms of learning disabled vs. gifted &#8211; you don&#8217;t need to buy into specific intelligences theory to conclude that people can be excellent at some things (eg. visual-spatial reasoning) and horrible at others (say, verbal tasks).</p>
<p>A friend of mine, for instance, is incapable of visualizing things. I may not have a &#8220;learning disability&#8221; but I definitely process the spoken word more slowly than most people. Both of us have done well by finding strategies to get around our shortcomings (I insert prefaces to everything I say, but am secretly figuring out what the other person said). Of course it is difficult when teachers teach things in very specific ways.</p>
<p>P Walsh, I definitely emphathize with your son&#8217;s situation. In grade 3 I was put on the &#8220;dumb table&#8221; (the ordering of the tables in class was fairly obvious), and tested for a learning disability because I was disengaged from school. Based on the test it was recommended I go to gifted classes, and there I went (in spite of the specific objection of my grade 3 teacher, who still thought I was dumb as a rock).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true of course, and it if it were put into place it would affect more than just gifted students.  I believe many school systems don&#039;t advocate it because there can be peer problems if you end up being significantly younger than everyone else in your class (and if it&#039;s true that the gifted children will perform noticeable better across the board, and there are negative affects to general age imbalance, it could actually negatively affected the gifted to a greater extent than others.  It might not mean much to be a year or two younger than most in the class, but if your the kid who is getting ready to finish high school in grade 6 i could see how that could be uncomfortable).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true of course, and it if it were put into place it would affect more than just gifted students.  I believe many school systems don&#8217;t advocate it because there can be peer problems if you end up being significantly younger than everyone else in your class (and if it&#8217;s true that the gifted children will perform noticeable better across the board, and there are negative affects to general age imbalance, it could actually negatively affected the gifted to a greater extent than others.  It might not mean much to be a year or two younger than most in the class, but if your the kid who is getting ready to finish high school in grade 6 i could see how that could be uncomfortable).</p>
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		<title>By: T L</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88213</link>
		<dc:creator>T L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several years ago, the John Templeton Foundation sponsored a report that supported acceleration for gifted children.  The report is called A Nation Deceived: How Schools Hold Back America&#039;s Brightest Students, and it discusses many types of acceleration besides grade skipping.  You can download it for free at www.nationdeceived.org, so you can judge it for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago, the John Templeton Foundation sponsored a report that supported acceleration for gifted children.  The report is called A Nation Deceived: How Schools Hold Back America&#8217;s Brightest Students, and it discusses many types of acceleration besides grade skipping.  You can download it for free at <a href="http://www.nationdeceived.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationdeceived.org</a>, so you can judge it for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: P Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88212</link>
		<dc:creator>P Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying my best to educate myself.  I am learning many things the hard way.  My child was not labelled BEFORE the symptoms appeared....we had him assessed AFTER he developed symptoms based on the fact that he was having such a hard time with what should have been so very easy to a child with his obvious intellectual strengths.  So I do not feel self-fulfilling prophecy comes into play here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying my best to educate myself.  I am learning many things the hard way.  My child was not labelled BEFORE the symptoms appeared&#8230;.we had him assessed AFTER he developed symptoms based on the fact that he was having such a hard time with what should have been so very easy to a child with his obvious intellectual strengths.  So I do not feel self-fulfilling prophecy comes into play here.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Parent</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88211</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear P Walsh - you need to educate yourself for your child&#039;s sake. There is no such thing as a learning disability - it is not even in the psychiatric bible the DSM IV. Please read Learning Disability: The Imaginary Disease (Paperback) by Thomas G. Finlan (Author). Some of this excellent book was available online and it was written long before LD was discredited by the leading US academics in the field as harmful and effectively abolished by the US Department of Education (in about 2003). The &#039;symptoms&#039; you describe in your child are the direct result of being labelled - it is the well documented phenomenon of the &#039;self-fulfilling prophecy&#039;. In non-scientific jargon it is similar to the tale of the elephant who has been reared tethered to a pole, when the rope is removed the elephant never wanders from the pole. There is absolutely no medical or scientific basis for learning disability; it was simply invented for the convenience of teachers and for the profit of the psychologists etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear P Walsh &#8211; you need to educate yourself for your child&#8217;s sake. There is no such thing as a learning disability &#8211; it is not even in the psychiatric bible the DSM IV. Please read Learning Disability: The Imaginary Disease (Paperback) by Thomas G. Finlan (Author). Some of this excellent book was available online and it was written long before LD was discredited by the leading US academics in the field as harmful and effectively abolished by the US Department of Education (in about 2003). The &#8216;symptoms&#8217; you describe in your child are the direct result of being labelled &#8211; it is the well documented phenomenon of the &#8216;self-fulfilling prophecy&#8217;. In non-scientific jargon it is similar to the tale of the elephant who has been reared tethered to a pole, when the rope is removed the elephant never wanders from the pole. There is absolutely no medical or scientific basis for learning disability; it was simply invented for the convenience of teachers and for the profit of the psychologists etc.</p>
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		<title>By: P Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>P Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had my child assessed privately.
 The school had no idea that he had a high iq or struggled with learning, they saw him as average....he didn&#039;t stand out to them.
Outside of school he was able to shine.  People were constantly amazed by his intelligence.
But when school came into the picture, at home, I saw my brilliant child become depressed and withdrawn.  He was spending 3-5 hours a night  (mostly in tears) trying to write 2 minutes worth of homework.  It wasn&#039;t a matter of not trying hard enough(no one worked as hard) or not knowing how to do it (he was painfully aware) or not knowing what was expected of him....he just could not do it.  For a child as bright as my child not being able to keep up with the other students on something so basic became a debillitating mental block.  The diagnosis as well as the recommendations put forth for his LD would allow him to come back on a level playing field with his classmates.
I do not live in Ontario and have no idea whether or not my child&#039;s school recieves funding for LD&#039;s but I do know that my son&#039;s LD is real and measurable.
I agree that putting a financial sum on a LD is equivalent to doctors recieving kick backs from drug reps...it makes you question how often a diagnosis is being made and the legitimacy of the diagnosis...but that does not mean that the condition/disease is not real. LD&#039;s are real.
My son&#039;s school has no gifted program, our province has no gifted programming.  Although special services for exceptionally abled learners isstated as part of the ISP,  but there are no actual programs for them.
I think cluster grouping works, but that is not available either (except for in chosen extra cirricular activities where again, I see my son shine)
I do fear that society will lose out if we do not ensure that these bright minds are not allowed to languish, treading water and learning nothing new in our school system.
They are the innovators, the risk takers, they are our future.  Money definately needs to be put into programming for them (not taken away) and our teachers need to enter schools with the tools necessary to identify, educate and motivate these children early.
As it stand right now I do think that there is no place in school for gifted kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had my child assessed privately.<br />
 The school had no idea that he had a high iq or struggled with learning, they saw him as average&#8230;.he didn&#8217;t stand out to them.<br />
Outside of school he was able to shine.  People were constantly amazed by his intelligence.<br />
But when school came into the picture, at home, I saw my brilliant child become depressed and withdrawn.  He was spending 3-5 hours a night  (mostly in tears) trying to write 2 minutes worth of homework.  It wasn&#8217;t a matter of not trying hard enough(no one worked as hard) or not knowing how to do it (he was painfully aware) or not knowing what was expected of him&#8230;.he just could not do it.  For a child as bright as my child not being able to keep up with the other students on something so basic became a debillitating mental block.  The diagnosis as well as the recommendations put forth for his LD would allow him to come back on a level playing field with his classmates.<br />
I do not live in Ontario and have no idea whether or not my child&#8217;s school recieves funding for LD&#8217;s but I do know that my son&#8217;s LD is real and measurable.<br />
I agree that putting a financial sum on a LD is equivalent to doctors recieving kick backs from drug reps&#8230;it makes you question how often a diagnosis is being made and the legitimacy of the diagnosis&#8230;but that does not mean that the condition/disease is not real. LD&#8217;s are real.<br />
My son&#8217;s school has no gifted program, our province has no gifted programming.  Although special services for exceptionally abled learners isstated as part of the ISP,  but there are no actual programs for them.<br />
I think cluster grouping works, but that is not available either (except for in chosen extra cirricular activities where again, I see my son shine)<br />
I do fear that society will lose out if we do not ensure that these bright minds are not allowed to languish, treading water and learning nothing new in our school system.<br />
They are the innovators, the risk takers, they are our future.  Money definately needs to be put into programming for them (not taken away) and our teachers need to enter schools with the tools necessary to identify, educate and motivate these children early.<br />
As it stand right now I do think that there is no place in school for gifted kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Cash-strapped</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88209</link>
		<dc:creator>Cash-strapped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you meet the minimum requirements you get to go on to the next grade&quot;

That is just not true though - if you meet the minmium AGE and ACADEMIC requirements - you get to go  on. This is my biggest problem - you don&#039;t really have acceleration options in Ontario anymore. It is the cheapest, and possibly most appropriate method of meeting these kids needs. If it was done routinely, both subject based (by holding all math classes at the same time and allowing kids to move to the most appropriate level class, same for English, and Science) and full grade - where appropriate by proper analysis using a tool like the Iowa Acceleration Scale, you would see happier kids all around!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you meet the minimum requirements you get to go on to the next grade&#8221;</p>
<p>That is just not true though &#8211; if you meet the minmium AGE and ACADEMIC requirements &#8211; you get to go  on. This is my biggest problem &#8211; you don&#8217;t really have acceleration options in Ontario anymore. It is the cheapest, and possibly most appropriate method of meeting these kids needs. If it was done routinely, both subject based (by holding all math classes at the same time and allowing kids to move to the most appropriate level class, same for English, and Science) and full grade &#8211; where appropriate by proper analysis using a tool like the Iowa Acceleration Scale, you would see happier kids all around!</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Parent</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/23/no-room-for-gifted-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-88208</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought-it is not long ago that lefties had their hand tied behind them to make them like the others (right handed). Are we doing the same to our brightest minds?
F.Gump - you have hit the nail on the head - except today In Canada it&#039;s not only left-handed kids, but boys, recent immigrant kids, single-parent kids, black kids - in fact any kid the teacher doesn&#039;t want to teach (or doesn&#039;t know how to teach or even just doesn&#039;t want to teach).  The Royal Commission on the Love of Learning over a decade ago had a good name for LD - it was teaching deficit disorder. In other words it is not the children or their parents who are at fault for not teaching their children to read BEFORE their first day at school - but the teachers many of whom have no idea how to teach kids to read! This is 90% of learning disability / dyslexia and you&#039;re right in thinking many left-handed children are labelled, along with other minorities and vulnerable children.
The EQAO results for Ontario were reported in many papers today and the education Minister Kathleen Wynne wants to know why boys are not achieving. Minister Wynne knows the answer is that boys are easily targeted for labelling as LD or ADHD under the Intensive Support Amount, which still brings in over $1 billion a year to school boards. How can boys ever catch up to girls when they are so easily labelled under the imaginary psychiatric disorders of LD or ADHD - because boys lag girls in development at younger ages and tend to fidget in class more than girls!
The definition of Learning disability was discredited decades ago - a discrepancy between IQ and achievement is mostly due to poor teaching and the rest is a statistical anomaly ie it is not possible for very bright children to EVER achieve to the level of their tested IQ. Therefore in Canda and especially Ontario they will be labelled as gifted LD. Too bad a label of gifted is worth zero dollars to the school boards in Ministry grants - but gifted LD was worth up to $27,000 per child per year under the ISA system for over a decade from 1997-2006. There is a lost generation of bright children in Canada and its ranks come mainly from recent immigrants. There is a name for this kind of eradication by race in other parts of the world - but it is simply known as Special Ed in Canada,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought-it is not long ago that lefties had their hand tied behind them to make them like the others (right handed). Are we doing the same to our brightest minds?<br />
F.Gump &#8211; you have hit the nail on the head &#8211; except today In Canada it&#8217;s not only left-handed kids, but boys, recent immigrant kids, single-parent kids, black kids &#8211; in fact any kid the teacher doesn&#8217;t want to teach (or doesn&#8217;t know how to teach or even just doesn&#8217;t want to teach).  The Royal Commission on the Love of Learning over a decade ago had a good name for LD &#8211; it was teaching deficit disorder. In other words it is not the children or their parents who are at fault for not teaching their children to read BEFORE their first day at school &#8211; but the teachers many of whom have no idea how to teach kids to read! This is 90% of learning disability / dyslexia and you&#8217;re right in thinking many left-handed children are labelled, along with other minorities and vulnerable children.<br />
The EQAO results for Ontario were reported in many papers today and the education Minister Kathleen Wynne wants to know why boys are not achieving. Minister Wynne knows the answer is that boys are easily targeted for labelling as LD or ADHD under the Intensive Support Amount, which still brings in over $1 billion a year to school boards. How can boys ever catch up to girls when they are so easily labelled under the imaginary psychiatric disorders of LD or ADHD &#8211; because boys lag girls in development at younger ages and tend to fidget in class more than girls!<br />
The definition of Learning disability was discredited decades ago &#8211; a discrepancy between IQ and achievement is mostly due to poor teaching and the rest is a statistical anomaly ie it is not possible for very bright children to EVER achieve to the level of their tested IQ. Therefore in Canda and especially Ontario they will be labelled as gifted LD. Too bad a label of gifted is worth zero dollars to the school boards in Ministry grants &#8211; but gifted LD was worth up to $27,000 per child per year under the ISA system for over a decade from 1997-2006. There is a lost generation of bright children in Canada and its ranks come mainly from recent immigrants. There is a name for this kind of eradication by race in other parts of the world &#8211; but it is simply known as Special Ed in Canada,</p>
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