The shocking truth about the value of your home

New evidence shows that Canadian prices could go down, and stay down, for a decade

by Duncan Hood on Monday, February 23, 2009 6:50pm - 238 Comments

The shocking truth about the value of your home

There are still people out there who don’t believe Canada is about to be hit by a devastating housing crisis, but Riaz Kassam isn’t one of them. For him, the crisis has already arrived.

Last July, he made an $80,000 pre-sale payment on a $1.5-million penthouse condominium in Vancouver’s tony H&H Yaletown building, just a few blocks away from where he lives. Kassam, a 42-year-old computer analyst, who’s married with no kids, expected to move in by the end of 2008. But when he put his current apartment on the market, he didn’t get a single offer. He thought maybe he had priced it a little high, so he knocked a bit off. Still, no offers. He lowered it again, and again, until eventually he was offering his apartment for a full $120,000 less than his initial asking price. That’s when he realized he was in trouble. “We reached the point where we couldn’t drop the price any more,” he says, “or we wouldn’t have enough for the down payment on the new property.”

He was caught between a rock and a hard place. Nobody would buy his condo, and therefore he didn’t have enough money for the down payment on the condo he’d already agreed to buy. “We told them that we can’t complete, we can’t sell our place, and we’d just have to forfeit our $80,000.”

ALSO AT MACLEANS.CA: What kind of house can $500,000 buy you? and Attack of the condo craters

Painful enough, but it was only the beginning. Kassam discovered that even if he had sold his old apartment, his bank “wouldn’t even consider” giving him a $1.5-million mortgage for his new place. Prices in Vancouver had been plummeting, and in just a few months, the assessed value of his new place had fallen to roughly $1.2 million—and his bank wouldn’t issue a mortgage for more than the property was worth. Meanwhile, the condo developer was finding that it couldn’t sell its units either, at least not for anything close to the $1.5 million Kassam had agreed to pay. So it held a “blow-out sale,” offering units for as much as 40 per cent off the original listed price. Kassam’s unit wasn’t one of them, but the sale made it clear that his penthouse was worth even less than $1.2 million. Shortly after Christmas, the developer told him he was liable for the difference. He had signed a pre-sale agreement saying he would buy that condo for $1.5 million, they reminded him, and they reserved the right to pursue him for the drop in that condo’s value. Which means they’re probably not just going to keep his $80,000 deposit. They’re probably going to come after him for more than $300,000.

Kassam thought he’d be settled into his gorgeous new penthouse by now, but instead he’s still at his old place, facing a long and expensive court battle with the Bowra Group, owner of the H&H Yaletown. He’s planning to strike first, with a lawsuit alleging that the developer didn’t deliver his unit on time, but he’s not sure he’s going to win. If he doesn’t, “our nightmare begins,” he says. “It’s going to be devastating if we have a judgment against us.”

Kassam is just one of thousands of people getting buried in the rubble of Vancouver’s collapsing prices; a dream market has turned into a nightmare, faster than anyone thought possible. For over a decade, the real estate industry has pumped out glowing reports, detailing the latest surges in prices and transactions, and predicting nothing but blue skies ahead. The heady combination of a strong economy, urban renewal and low interest rates triggered a stampede into houses and condos. Now the boom is shifting into reverse, and economists are warily backing away from their sunny predictions, and grappling with a question no one has posed for 20 years: how bad is it going to get? It’s becoming increasingly likely that the answer to that question will be “even worse than you imagined.”

The H&H Yaletown has now sent out several warning letters to buyers in retreat. Another developer, the Onni Group, is actively suing at least 20 purchasers of its Aria 2 development in Port Moody for backing out of their pre-sale agreements. Real estate developer Amacon is suing seven purchasers of its Morgan Heights development in Surrey for the same. Condo fire sales are raging—the Onni group has been taking out full-page ads in the local papers trumpeting “Vancouver’s largest real estate liquidation event”—and John White, a Vancouver lawyer representing several retreating buyers, says he now gets about “two or three calls a day” from people who have issues with their contracts.

“No one even came close to realizing the impact of this crisis,” Kassam says. Back when he signed the pre-sale agreement, he was following the news, and “they said the real estate market was slowing down, but they were only predicting maybe a one or two per cent drop in property values—nothing to this extent.” But Kassam has learned that you shouldn’t always believe what you read in the papers and what the economists say on TV. Especially now, because despite the carnage in Vancouver, many economists and real estate groups are still predicting that we’ll have just a little stumble—maybe a drop of three to eight per cent in prices—and then the market will roar back to life by the end of the year. But new data on the plunging housing market suggests that those relatively upbeat assessments are wrong, and Canada could see a 20 per cent drop in average house prices between now and late 2011. If sophisticated investors are correct, it might be close to a decade before we once again see prices as high as they were last summer.

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  • Ben

    It is important to really think about what statistic is really being reported:
    1. 2008 average prices vs. 2009 prices. This compares average selling price from all of 2008 to same from all of 2009. 2008 started with some increases in the first few months in most area, then leveled, then began to fall, so obviously the average 2008 selling price is less than the peak. The average 2009 price compared to the average 2008 price is not yet a severe decline, because of this leveling effect. So remember, that this metric will not be shocking, on the whole (except in some areas, like Van and perhaps Calgary soon). When they say that 2009 prices will be x% lower than 2008, remember that this decline does not include the 2008 decline % from peak.
    2. Current price vs. peak price. Now this metric will show a more severe decline in a lot of areas (GTA for example), and will get a lot worse before this all blows over. I would say my townhouse in Milton would sell for about 15% less that it was worth at the peak. This might be only 8-10% less than the average 2008 price.

  • Sam

    Isn’t it funny how all the realtors are upbeat about the market. I am sure it doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that if they admit to prices going down they are stuffed.

  • Michael

    Having been a realtor for 28 years and been through a few ups and downs in the market I predict that Scott will be gone real soon. Its real easy to make money in the hot market we have been experiencing for the last few years but lets see how long the discounters last, now that you actually have to sell and market to earn your commissions. Most people do not mind paying full commission companies. As a matter of fact a client upon seeing a discount company listing said if they are to cheap to pay full commission they probably are to cheap to keep up the maintainance on their home as well lets bypass this one. The discounters would rather sell one of these (OUR) listings to earn a full 1/2 commission which is more than they earn selling one of their own discounted listings. I for one will show their listings only if I have a buyers agent agreement to ensure I receive a full commission and encourage my buyer to negotiate hard against these listings to recover the difference they have to pay to me. I would also say the discounters use their discounted listings to get prospects to sell our listings which offer full commissions. Sellers do yourself a big favor, in this market we now find ourselves in ,do not be lulled into thinking you will save money hiring one of these firms. Time is of the essence to get your property sold and you want as many realtors as possible out there trying to do that for you. A discounted commission will not encourage this and with falling values what you think you might save will surely come back to bite you. good luck to all and lets weather the storm.

    • http://escapetosaltspring.com Scott

      Actually Micheal I think I will be around for a while. In a hot market you could tack on a high commission and no own really balked but when prices are coming down and things are tight everyone wants a deal and resent paying someone 20 – 30k to sell their house.

      Your argument is strange because you are putting your own compensation in front of what is right for your customers. If they would not sign a agreement to bump up your commission you would not show them the house? The thing is in this day and age people will see what they want and will bypass you and call us direct. Do not forget you are working for your customer and your fiduciary duty is owed to them not your wallet.

      Competition is what is needed in any market. My customers get fabulous on line listings that make there house show well and everyone wins. Buyers pay less because there is less needed to pay out.

      This is the trend on the future and it is here now. The thought of not showing because of what you make is ridiculous. My advise would be to sell the BMW and buy a lap top.

      • Michael

        Hi Scott,
        I mean no disrespect to you or your commission model. I work for my clients and put a high value on my talents and negotiating skills as well as my many years of experience. Most of my business is referrals from past happy customers. My customers do not pay me directly, I negotiate it from the price of the discounted listing. Example: A long term customer wanted to by a house from a discounter. We negotiated a price, offer – counter offer. He was happy with an arrived at price.. At my suggestion I said lets go back $10, 000 less to earn my commission and maybe save him another $5000. Guess what? We made the deal! I have a very happy client who realizes i saved him another $5000 and I also earned the $5000 he payed me to top up my commission for doing such a great job. I have had this scenario play out a few times. The home in question sat on the market for several months because most realtors will avoid it like the plague. I’m sorry but that is just the way it is.

        • http://escapetosaltspring.com Scott

          Michael I can not believe what you are saying by your own reasoning if the commission payable was higher you would not try to get your customer the same great deal.

          Don’t you try and get the best possible deal every time you go to bat for your customers?

          As far as “most Realtors avoid it like the plague” may explain why such a high percentage of the general public looks down on Realtors. By your own admission they avoid listing that pay lower commissions and are in fact are not put their customers needs first.

          Like I said in an another post most agents are great and do in fact work for their customers and have come to the conclusion that discount fees are here to stay and are in fact looking at cutting their own overhead and signing up with discount companies and giving customers what they want low fees.

  • http://escapetosaltspring.com Scott

    As a REALTOR it makes little difference if the prices go up or down.

    The people who get hurt are the people like AlbertaAmy who bought at the high. It could be years until the market goes up to where she bought.

    If the market was to go down 50% my business would be booming with all the first time buyers, who had thought they would be renting forever, they would buy if owning became cheaper than renting.

  • Miss Delish

    Greedy Politicians, Corporate CEO’S PAST AND PRESENT and rediculous TAX CUTS to these companies that aren’t passing on the savings to wages to the hard working employees. They are a contributing cause to our economy failures. To add to that we get taxed harder to pick up their slack .

    If you can’t keep the circle of money moving it STOPS EVERYWHERE. The industries are reaping the profits and tax cuts, not sharing it with the employees with wage increases so everyone goes broke while they hoard! Now no one has two cents to rub together they bled us dry and everything has come to a halt.
    The Americans can’t stop printing money like it’s a gameboard game of monopoly or payday.
    Our PRIME MINISTER IS NO WHERE TO BE SEEN!
    If OBAMA hadn’t came to visit I’d still be waiting to see him.

    This country needs to get off it’s butt and start making some noise! It’s not rocket science .
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL. WE ARE GONNA NEED A LOTTERY WIN !

  • Jim

    Finally! Finally! Thank you Maclean’s for telling it like it is.

    I live in the Metro Vancouver area.

    I sold my one and only modest home a year ago based on the information I was reading on blogs and in the business and finance media from everywhere except Canada. At that time it was a gamble for sure for me to do that because there was absolutely no balanced information at all here in BC regarding real estate. It was all “buy now or forever be priced out” and “they aren’t making any more land you know” kind of stuff. And it was everywhere. Every politician, every banker, every real estate agent, company and board. I was scared to sell my place but it turned out to be the best fincancial decision of my life!

    The last time I checked they weren’t making more land anywhere on planet Earth! Geez!

    How could it be possible I asked myself, that in a globlal economy where everywhere else in the world the reports were of declining real estate prices that here in BC in particular it was full steam ahead! Incredible lies were being told that’s how.

    I urge anyone who bought real estate in 2008 in BC and who bought on the basis of the drivel they heard or read in the media to consider a law suit against those in the media that used the public airwaves and newstands to push you to buy. They gave you nothing but the biased bull produced by the local real estate industry and they never bothered to give you the opposing point of view so that you could make an informed decision.

    I can report that even as recently as a few weeks ago, the Vancouver Global television station’s Noon News Hour’s lead anchor was telling viewer’s to buy now because now was a good time to buy. She said so immediately after her infomercial “interview’ with a well known local real estate guru who always always pumps the real estate market on Global TV without shame.

    On that same news station the Premier’s brother no less regularly appears to tell viewers that everything is wonderful here in BC. The Premier’s brother! And guess what, the BC Premier has always been very friendly to the real estate industry starting when he was mayor of Vancouver.

    Now we have a huge real estate bubble just beginning to burst here in BC with all the same ramifications for our economy and the taxpayers as everywhere else.

    Do not believe the politicians, the bankers, the real estate industry stakeholders. They are all lying to you!

    And thank you Mr. Robert Shiller for helping us out here in Canada with your wise counsel.

    And to my fellow Canadians who own one home at a time I say beware that there are legions of so called “investors” out there who own multiple homes that they never ever live in and they use them like stocks on the stock market. They are playing all of us like dummies.

    These “investors” are ruining our neighbourhoods and our country. Many of these investor “homes” are being used by the hundreds as drug factories and the politicians are turning a blind eye to this problem.

    Don’t you ever wonder why the politicians “can’t” do anything about it?

    Remember the front page Maclean’s report about BC being world class centre for crime!

    It all adds up doesn’t it.

    • http://escapetosaltspring.com Scott

      Jim I have to disagree with your smear of Micheal Campbell the Premiers brother. He host a radio show on CKNW every Saturday morning and he does have a real estate person on the show ever other week. His name is Ozzie Jurock.

      I have listened to the show for the last 8 years and if I miss a show I listen on line latter and for the last few years they have been saying do not buy condos or houses in Vancouver. It is a over heated bubble and when people line up to buy an unfinished hole in the ground it is time to look elsewhere. Mr Jurock has consistently told buyers to look at the smaller town where you can still get a deal and buy at house at a reasonable price and if you are a investor rent it out. He has stated on lots and lots of shows do not buy a condo or house and think you can make money in the Vancouver market.

      All the shows are on the CKNW audio vault and I sure if they are not they would go though and find all the shows prove they have not said to invest in condos or homes in Vancouver for long time.

      I agree that homes are just that homes to live in and should be affordable not for rampant speculation but please do not smear people who where not hyping the market. His show has consistently called the market for what it is. Tune in Saturday at 830am CKNW 9800 Vancouver and listen for yourself.

  • Jim

    Oh and one more thing.

    How about we all find out how many properties real estate agent’s own themselves!

    You would be surprised by how many real estate agents own multiple properties and are “playing the market”.

    It is ruining our country.

    • realist

      Hey jimbo..loser!

    • Jim

      To the other Jim

      This is the craziest theory I have read on here yet! What are you smoking and can I have some.

  • Michael

    With many years of experience in the real estate industry I for one hated working in the heated up market we experienced over the last few years. In 2006 the price started to climb at 10 to 20,000 per month. The listing inventory was next to nil in our market on Vancouver Island and there were 3-4 buyers for every listing. The cost of a lot jumped from about 50,000 to 150,000 and the prce of materials and labour went through the roof. Everybody shared in the wealth. Did you have to hire a drywaller through this period? or a framer? They could demand almost whatever they asked. This had nothing to do with realtors. This was supply and demand. This was the public themselves driving the market. A monkey with a checkbook could have made money in this heated market. The one saving grace about all of this is the low interest rates and an adjustment of prices to more sane levels making affordable housing available again for first timer buyers. Sure some people will get hurt but they are going to get hurt due to the economic fallout. Lost jobs etc or they overextended themselves in the first place.
    People need to try and maintain a positive attitude through all of this and welcome back the more sane levels of the housing market.

  • Josh

    Question for Scott from Salt Spring, and other realtors for that matter:

    I own a house on Salt Spring Island. I bought it in 2003 when property there was for the most part pre-boom. I didn’t spend much money because I bought the ugly hippie palace on the block, but it did sit on a good size piece of land (3 acres). My assessments have been growing year over year – I expect that will stop this year.

    From a strictly value for my dollar perspective, is now a good time to sell my place on Salt Spring and take the gained equity and buy a greatly discounted place in the lower mainland?

    Great discussion everyone, thanks for the help in advance,

    Josh

    • http://escapetosaltspring.com Scott

      Hi Josh

      O you have a hippie place too. The Salt Spring market is in the same boat as the Vancouver market so there would be no net gain.

      If you had sold last year and stayed in cash and then bought know you would be ahead but if you could predict that could you tell me the numbers for the next loto then I could add some new clap board to the out side of my shack.

      Cheers from Scott on Salt Spring Island.

  • no sympathy whatsoever

    stop slagging the real estate agents ???

    for all the real estate agents who are trying to portray themselves as honest, hard working
    individuals; stop your dreaming !!!
    the real estate industry and their associations and such DO drive the market prices up.
    accept the oncoming drive for price reductions… this you cannot talk away.
    its about time the real estate industry stop stealing from the buyer and take a rest from
    their greedy agenda; that applies to both buyer and seller reps…

    stop slagging the real estate agents ???

    ITS ONLY JUST BEGINNING !!!!

    • Jim

      Do you even know how the real estate business works?? You are dreaming if you think that the “industry and their associations drive market prices”, do you have a brain in your head and the ability to think for yourself? If a realtor told you to buy something would you just do it or make your own decision……guess what if you chose the later then that must mean that the real estate market is driven by the public…or buyers. Simple as that.

      In simple terms….
      When you purchased or sold a home did your realtor hold a gun to your head? Probably not. So if you made money or lost money it was your decision. Don’t blame anyone else for your lack of knowledge.

      BUT….I would love to hear your theory on how the real estate industry drives the market prices up.. ha ha

  • realist

    Wow..this is so pathetically ultra left wing Canuckistanian! To all of you lefty loser living in someone elses basement suite, concrete coffins or are just anti anyone that wishes to better their families future etc. etc. etc. Stop screaming that “the worlds coming to an end” because it isn’t! Your all a bunch of chicken little wannabes fresh off the protest line..or some other line for that matter. If you want to be an uderachieving loser..go ahead..we live in a slackers paradise with our “redistribution of wealth” ideology already firmly in place. Just don’t even hint in any negative fashion against anyone on this earth that want to better their or their families lives financially or other wise…pathetic.

    As for all the realtor bashing taking place here in lala land (I’m not one!) that is sooooo typical once again of all the cry baby left wing under achievers that seem to plaque our nation..enough already..the rest of us are soo tired of paying your way..the same goes for the $650,000 per unit social housing..gag!

    Oh..and all the BC government would have to do to instantly have hundreds of billions of investment dollars screaming into BC would be to remove the property transfer tax..and the PST!!!!

    • Michael

      Finally an intelligent post I can believe in. Thanks realist!

    • wayne moores

      Wow, all that crazy neocon screaming… sounds like deep down just might be a little bit worried…well if you lose everything in this Communist hellhole you portray Canada to be I’m sure you can get a job replacing Rush” Limpbuger” the next time they throw his hypocticical ass in jail on a drug charge. Not only that you will be able to pick up real estate real cheep down there. Millions of foreclosed on homes down there. Seems that totally deregulated greed fest that Bush and Co. ushered in didn’t work out so well, did it? You sound like a true believer, so you should easily be able to ignore all the ugliness and reality. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Cheers

  • Alan

    Caveat Emptor!!! Buyer Beware!! Do your homework!! Stop drinking the kool-aid?

    All I can say is the general public has no clue what is coming. The mainstream media is massaged (controlled) and only a certain point of view gets out. There are numerous people who have predicted this fall and worse, but there not allowed on TV or Radio. The only person recently has been Glenn Beck on Fox News. Google him and watch his 3 minute video on “inconvenient debt.”

    Also,Google Alex Jones, Jim Willie, Peter Schiff, Jim Sinclair, Max Keiser , Lindsey Wiiliams and you will soon realize what you have been fed is all BS. Start doing your homework. Hint….The next shoe to drop will be commercial real estate followed by the Titantic !!!…….the US dollar losing its world reserve currency status. When this happens look out below and you will see that complaining about realtors is trivial.

    Cheers

  • reality check

    As a west coast REALTOR and strata property manager, I am involved in the daily activity of the Vancouver area market. My experience confirms that buyers and sellers drive the market, not REALTORS. The job of a REALTOR is to market a seller’s property to the best of the REALTOR’S ability; and to find the right property at the best price for buyers.

    I have worked with many sellers who are totally unrealistic about their selling price by demanding prices that are not reflected in comparable sales activity. Many sellers stubbornly hold to a listing price which far exceeds market value but they have some fixed idea in their head as to what the property is “really worth.” There is no such thing as intrinsic value in the real estate market!!! Value is based on what the general population of buyers are willing to pay at any point in time.

    Currently, there continues to be buyer activity in the Metro Vancouver market; but those buyers are being more cautious and they are looking for better deals. The recent market bubble on the west coast was driven by a number of factors, including the following: low interest rates; the longest amortization terms in history; zero down financing (backed by CMHC – your government dollars at work); pent-up buyer demand; offshore buyers (immigrants and investors); 2010 Olympics hype; and the influx of buyer and investor money from hot Canadian markets like Alberta (remember those high gas prices?). So, the bottom line is that buyers and sellers determine market activity and prices, not REALTORS. That is the reality of the market.

    By the way: if anyone wants to verify MLS sales data in British Columbia it is easy to compare BC Assessment sales data (obtained from the Land Title Office records) with the MLS Sold info input by REALTORS.

    I have never heard of any REALTOR faking a sales price higher than the actual just to make the market look better. Who cares? Commissions are important to REALTORS; not whether the listing sold by $5,000 or $10,000 more or less. In many cases, the net difference in commission for every $10,000 of sale price results in approximately $100 in commission; so there is no incentive to fake prices.

  • Rob Zombie

    What a bunch of whiners. A lot of you participated in a colossal real estate bubble. You will certainly loose a lot of money or your credit rating. Probably both. Stop blaming others for you poor financial decisions.

    Things are going to get much worse in Canada. The U.S. economic meltdown is going to hurt us. As Canadians we feel we are insulated. We are not. It’s only a matter of time. If you think the residential real estate problem is bad, just wait for the commercial real estate failures that are coming. Prepare yourselves and your families for coming global depression.

  • Tom Tom

    The Realtor chant for the last 5 years was “Buy now or be priced out forever!”

    And a lot of you suckers believed them.

    • K Meister

      Not all of us were saying that. Some of us said, you know what I can’t predict the market. It is going to go up forever, not likely. Will it see a down turn…probably. When…who knows. Is it good to invest in real estate as a roof over my head…always. As an owner, at the end of the day, and I mean 20 years here you will still be far better off than if you had rented for those 20. Is it good to invest in real estate as speculatory…sometimes but generally as in all sound investments it’s a long term hold.

  • sassy renter…

    Realist said “Feb 25, 2009 at 11:21 pmReport AbuseWow..this is so pathetically ultra left wing Canuckistanian! To all of you lefty loser living in someone elses basement suite, concrete coffins or are just anti anyone that wishes to better their families future etc. etc. etc. Stop screaming that “the worlds coming to an end” because it isn’t! Your all a bunch of chicken little wannabes fresh off the protest line..or some other line for that matter. If you want ”

    Dooood… take a chill pill. How underwater are you on your specuvestor purchases? You’ll be even further underwater this time next year. Maybe put some of that negitive energy towards dumping whatever you got before you lose even more. kisses and good luck!

  • http://www.hootie.ca hootie

    As a speculator Mr. Kassam Failed in many ways… overpricing his listing, not getting pre approval from a lending institution and putting only 5% down on a presale project. Most unfortunate is that he did not employ a REALTOR who could have told him that when the original builder went bankrupt, and a new disclosure statement was released, thus giving him 7 days to get out of the contract and all his deposit back. of course this vital information would have cost him nothing if he had hired a REALTOR

    • K Meister

      I totally agree. In addition, as a realtor I would NEVER have advised a client to commit to an unconditional purchase without first securing a firm offer on his current residence. A realtor’s services are free to a buyer and our job is to protect them from just such an incident. When people go in and deal with the developer directly one has assume whose best interests are being served. Also, it does not sound like Mr. Kassam listed his home with a realtor either (I could be speaking out of turn here since it wasn’t mentioned either way) and instead may have been trying to sell it himself. While that can be most successful in a rip roaring Seller’s market that is certainly not the case. A realtor might have advised him to lower his price immediately when he first put it on rather than chase the market down after the fact.

    • SkiMan

      I stopped reading comments after a few self righteous people started flapping their mouths.

      First I don’t know this guy but it’s clear from the article he wasn’t only putting $80k DOWN, he put down an $80k DEPOSIT and the rest of his equity was to come from the condo he was selling. It says so in the text of the article “We reached the point where we couldn’t drop the price any more,” he says, “or we wouldn’t have enough for the down payment on the new property.”

      Furthermore, for people who think this guy is alone, you have your heads in the sand. So many people did things like this. And is he partly to blame? Absolutely. Is he solely to blame? Of course not, everyone, from bankers, to realtors, to taxi drivers, to people on the news and in the papers, etc… believed that prices would go up forever and there would always be a buyer on the other side. Well prices can only go up until people realize they’re way too high… incomes have not been going up like prices. When your housing prices are 8X income.. look out.. they should be between 3-4X income.

      • Dave

        Wow. With the replies that I am reading we are definitely headed for a depression. I have never heard so many negative people. If everyone starts thinking this way well we will only have ourselves to blame. This too shall pass and if we start to think postive things will get better.
        I am also in a similar situation and feel no one could have predicted the speed and severity of this financial crisis. However my builder is willing to work with me so that we both come out alive. Not all contractors are like this one

        • John

          Dave,
          Enjoy seeing the equity on your house melt over the next 10 years. You’ve been forewarned. You are what is called a “GREATER FOOL”. Get it?

  • Dale

    How about we take an ACTUALl look at what CREA really said in their most recent media release (before the media gets their hands on it and twists it to what sells papers and magazines). I think most would agree that they are providing a pretty realistic and accurate view of what is happening out there.

    I grabbed this from their website:

    MLS® home sales to decline further in 2009, rebound in 2010
    OTTAWA – February 9th, 2009 – National MLS® home sales activity is expected to
    decline in 2009 before rebounding in 2010, according to a new residential housing
    forecast prepared by The Canadian Real Estate Association.
    National MLS® home sales activity declined 17.1 per cent in 2008, and MLS® sales
    activity is forecast to fall an additional 16.9 per cent to 360,900 units in 2009. This would
    be the lowest level for national sales activity since the year 2000. Sales activity is
    expected to decline from levels set in 2008 in every province, led by declines in British
    Columbia, Alberta and Ontario.
    National MLS® home sales activity is forecast to rebound by 9.9 per cent to 396,600
    units in 2010, marked by an acceleration in activity in the second half of that year. The
    rebound in activity in 2010 is forecast to be biggest in British Columbia and Alberta.
    New listings on the MLS® systems of real estate Boards in Canada have been trending
    steadily lower since peaking in the second quarter of 2008, and that trend is forecast to
    continue. It is that combination of rebounding sales activity and fewer new listings that
    will stabilize the MLS® resale housing market in 2010.
    “We are caught in a cycle where consumer confidence has been eroded because of job
    losses, and consumer confidence is an essential ingredient for housing sales activity,”
    says the President of The Canadian Real Estate Association, Calvin Lindberg of
    Vancouver. “And housing activity helps creates jobs.”
    “The essential selling ingredients in today’s market are realistic pricing, marketing, and
    preparation. There are potential buyers making inquiries, but the barrage of economic
    news makes them much more cautious than before.”
    The MLS® sales forecast developed by CREA Chief Economist Gregory Klump shows
    that fewer transactions in some of Canada’s more expensive housing markets,
    combined with reduced asking prices, will continue to put downward pressure on
    average MLS® sale prices.
    The national MLS® average home price is forecast to decline eight per cent in 2009,
    with prices down most in Western provinces and Ontario. By contrast, the average home
    price in Newfoundland & Labrador is forecast to rise 4.8 percent in 2009. Prices are
    forecast to stabilize in 2010, with annual price increases of one per cent or less in five
    provinces.
    The price trend is similar but less dramatic for the weighted national MLS® average
    price, which compensates for changes in provincial sales activity by taking into account
    provincial proportions of privately owned housing stock. The weighted national MLS®
    average price is forecast to decline 6.4 per cent in 2009, and hold steady in 2010.
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    “Increasingly cautious homebuyers and mortgage lenders means that active listings will
    take longer to sell in 2009 compared to previous years,” said CREA Chief Economist
    Gregory Klump.
    “The national housing market is recalibrating due to weak sales activity,” said Klump.
    “Supply will take time to adjust to lower demand, but sellers unwilling to accept offers
    below their expectations will remove their home from the market,” he added. “Fewer
    active listings reduces buyer choice, and in time puts a floor under prices,” CREA’s Chief
    Economist added.

    • wayne moores

      HAHA…”recalibrating”… that’s what they are calling it now are they. Dream on. The excrament has only started to hit the air conditioning device. Do you really think all these people losing everything have the option to just take their home off the market? Well keep buying into the blather from the real estate industry. I didn’t hear you complaining when that darn media was hyping real estate long after the bubble had burst. If anyone thinks this is all gonna turn around in another 12 months or so you must also assume the millions of decent jobs that have disappeared forever from this country are magically going to reappear. People working at Wal-Mart(and that’s about the only place hiring) can’t afford to buy anything. Cheers.

  • Haha!

    One of the greatest mids of economics gives you reason after reason and yet, you sheeple continue to burry your heads in the sand.

    Don’t come back on here crying about how you never saw this coming. Pick up a book and do some homework. You sheeple think you know it all, don’t you.?

    “The dumbest people I know, know it all.”

    Good luck! You will all need it.

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    • AlbertaRealityCheck

      Oh I love Albertans, especially Alberta Real Estate industry… hanging on to the 06 bubble just like Flames’ fans keep hanging on to the 04 run… Edmonton and Calgary are in MELTDOWN, like it or not. This article mentions 20% further decline by 2011, for Alberta it will be 2010. Did you see the article in March 13 Calgary Herald business section, Alberta will be the worst hit by this economic crisis, according to experts at RBC… Good luck Alberta realtors, find new work, maybe cleaning up those tar sand tailing pools up north, haha, the Sun has set this real estate market.

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  • Davie

    First of all, if you are purchasing a 1.5 million dollar condo, you should not be looking for a 1.5 million dollar mortgage. The 80,000 he put down is only 5%. Why in anyone’s right mind would they put 5% down on a $1.5 million dollar place. This is what got America into trouble in the first place.

    Secondly, why would anybody purchase a place firm without knowing exactly what he will have from selling his place?!?!? unless they have the ability to carry two places at the same time. Common Sense here….

    You cannot arbitrarily ask a certain price for a property basing it on the amout you require to close the next transaction. The public is well educated and will only pay the current market value for a place.

    I think this fellow dug his own hole……. This is definately not the norm….

    Come on McClean’s, don’t make a story out of this portraying this as the real estate climate in Canada. This is an isolated case of one greedy individual who obviously tried to live the high life but could not afford it!

  • http://meadowbrookvilla.com Lawton Apartments

    This is a brilliant article. I have been telling my Canadian associates about the problems with the housing sector. Canada is not immune from a housing bubble similar to what burst in southern California.

  • Ron Flower

    In Winnipeg , the Provincial government, (NDP) gave the City of Winnipeg permission to re assess the housing every two years . This is not right . The City and the Province have to learn to pay their bills and live within their budgets just like the poor Tax Payers of this City and Province.

  • Jack

    “Last week, for instance, the Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) predicted a drop of just eight per cent in 2009, followed by a speedy recovery that would see prices starting to edge up again in 2010.”

    Monkeys. When will they finally round them up and take them back to the zoo?

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