Comments on: The Post to Quebec: Love Canada or else http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/ Canada's only national weekly current affairs magazine. Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: pasdedentier http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89241 pasdedentier Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:34:49 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89241 Daryl, Name me one other province in Canada that formaly voted (twice in QC' s case) to remain in Canada. I know Newfoundland voted to join Canada , after voting not to, but I can't think of any other, can you ? What do you want, a big parade, a show of flags, what? What visible sign are you looking for that other provinces do? Daryl,

Name me one other province in Canada that formaly voted (twice in QC’ s case) to remain in Canada.

I know Newfoundland voted to join Canada , after voting not to, but I can’t think of any other, can you ?

What do you want, a big parade, a show of flags, what? What visible sign are you looking for that other provinces do?

]]> By: MB http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89240 MB Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:23:35 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89240 May I suggest that there two kinds of separatists, those that what to take Quebec out of Canada and those that want to push Quebec out. Is the NP board of editors part of the latter? May I suggest that there two kinds of separatists, those that what to take Quebec out of Canada and those that want to push Quebec out. Is the NP board of editors part of the latter?

]]> By: Daryl http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89239 Daryl Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:41:48 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89239 I didn't to suggest all of ROC would agree with me. But perhaps you are right and I am off base in , and I am wrong. The only way to settle it would be a large poll on what the ROC thinks about Quebec. I didn’t to suggest all of ROC would agree with me. But perhaps you are right and I am off base in , and I am wrong.
The only way to settle it would be a large poll on what the ROC thinks about Quebec.

]]> By: PolJunkie http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89238 PolJunkie Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:29:26 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89238 Daryl, just because YOU are uninformed and seem to be treating Quebec like it's some foreign country oversea certainly does not mean that the ROC feels the same way. Get a clue. Daryl, just because YOU are uninformed and seem to be treating Quebec like it’s some foreign country oversea certainly does not mean that the ROC feels the same way.

Get a clue.

]]> By: Daryl http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89237 Daryl Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:53:55 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89237 "Hell, they are a large part of the reason why Harper won his first mandate." So your saying they voted CPC because they love Canada first and formost. I thought it was his promise to fix the fiscal imbalance, and give them a seat at UNESCO. At least that is in part what Chantel Hebert told me from the torstar and her book french kiss. I never said they represent Quebec as a whole. But if Quebecers don't have any further demands from Canada and reject separation than they better speak up louder. Me thinks the ROC is growing more impatient with Quebec. If you believe otherwise, I think you need to give your head a shake as well. “Hell, they are a large part of the reason why Harper won his first mandate.”

So your saying they voted CPC because they love Canada first and formost.
I thought it was his promise to fix the fiscal imbalance, and give them a seat at UNESCO. At least that is in part what Chantel Hebert told me from the torstar and her book french kiss.

I never said they represent Quebec as a whole. But if Quebecers don’t have any further demands from Canada and reject separation than they better speak up louder. Me thinks the ROC is growing more impatient with Quebec. If you believe otherwise, I think you need to give your head a shake as well.

]]> By: Ti-Guy http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89236 Ti-Guy Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:48:43 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89236 <i>Oh yes Quebec politics is complex. Unlike the ROC politics?</i> The intersection of French- and English-Canada is complicated and the issues aren't just political. That's just a fact and it's been like that since forever. Oh yes Quebec politics is complex. Unlike the ROC politics?

The intersection of French- and English-Canada is complicated and the issues aren’t just political.

That’s just a fact and it’s been like that since forever.

]]> By: Daryl http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89235 Daryl Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:38:45 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89235 Oh yes Quebec politics is complex. Unlike the ROC politics? Oh yes Quebec politics is complex. Unlike the ROC politics?

]]> By: peimac http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89234 peimac Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:34:51 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89234 Isn't the solution best to just ignore the dissenters until the fall on deaf ears then or do we insist on free speech forced upon all listeners. Isn’t the solution best to just ignore the dissenters until the fall on deaf ears then or do we insist on free speech forced upon all listeners.

]]> By: peimac http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89233 peimac Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:31:30 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89233 Canada is made up of many cultural backgrounds and could noted no ever legislated the protection of Celtic traditions and language which has sadly disappeared except remote communities and families. quebec was given choice of religion, school and day to day governing. Yet after being given more rights as individuals and as a group two things have happened. They are being marginalized by immigration of other cultures even though some are french; and two they still believe they deserve more. I'd give up PEI's status as province in trade to never to hear about the Quebec question ever again. They're culture and values are in the same light as any other set. Canada is made up of many cultural backgrounds and could noted no ever legislated the protection of Celtic traditions and language which has sadly disappeared except remote communities and families. quebec was given choice of religion, school and day to day governing. Yet after being given more rights as individuals and as a group two things have happened. They are being marginalized by immigration of other cultures even though some are french; and two they still believe they deserve more. I’d give up PEI’s status as province in trade to never to hear about the Quebec question ever again. They’re culture and values are in the same light as any other set.

]]> By: PolJunkie http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89232 PolJunkie Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:14:27 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89232 "However a large percentage of these people may not want separation but they want more and more from Canadians." Says who? Your "english speaking papers?" From where I'm sitting, just about every province in this federation comes hat in hand to the table. "If there are say 60% of Quebecers who want to remain a part of Canada. Why do we not hear from them as defenders of Canada. Do they rally? With the Canadian flag? Are there Quebecers who think Canada is pretty fair to Quebec. Do they speak up?" Daryl, you are grossly uninformed. Stop reading the nonsense from the National Post. They do speak up. Hell, they are a large part of the reason why Harper won his first mandate. Just because the "english speaking" media gives a lot of ink to the sovereignists (the vocal minority) does not mean that they represent Quebec as a whole. Give your head a shake, will ya? “However a large percentage of these people may not want separation but they want more and more from Canadians.”

Says who? Your “english speaking papers?”

From where I’m sitting, just about every province in this federation comes hat in hand to the table.

“If there are say 60% of Quebecers who want to remain a part of Canada. Why do we not hear from them as defenders of Canada. Do they rally? With the Canadian flag? Are there Quebecers who think Canada is pretty fair to Quebec. Do they speak up?”

Daryl, you are grossly uninformed. Stop reading the nonsense from the National Post. They do speak up. Hell, they are a large part of the reason why Harper won his first mandate. Just because the “english speaking” media gives a lot of ink to the sovereignists (the vocal minority) does not mean that they represent Quebec as a whole.

Give your head a shake, will ya?

]]> By: LeenieJ (imho) http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89231 LeenieJ (imho) Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:50:58 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89231 they are legends in their own minds; NP speak for yourself. don't include me in your punishment of La Francophonie. if you can do it to them you'll likely want to do it to me or others--province, minority or vulnerable group in this country. NP, or NYP? another monkey cartoon in script this time? they are legends in their own minds;
NP speak for yourself. don’t include me in your punishment of La Francophonie. if you can do it to them you’ll likely want to do it to me or others–province, minority or vulnerable group in this country.

NP, or NYP? another monkey cartoon in script this time?

]]> By: Ti-Guy http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89230 Ti-Guy Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:02:06 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89230 <i>If there are say 60% of Quebecers who want to remain a part of Canada. Why do we not hear from them as defenders of Canada.</i> Because *you* don't follow the French-language media. But since you follow the English media, you have read Lysianne Gagnon in <i>The Globe</i>, Chantal Hebert in <i>The Star</i> and have been exposed to francophone commenters that appear on <i>Politics with Don Newman</i> and elsewhere on the CBC to understand that the situation is rather complex. If you don't know that by now, then I suspect you're an unconscious citizen. If there are say 60% of Quebecers who want to remain a part of Canada. Why do we not hear from them as defenders of Canada.

Because *you* don’t follow the French-language media. But since you follow the English media, you have read Lysianne Gagnon in The Globe, Chantal Hebert in The Star and have been exposed to francophone commenters that appear on Politics with Don Newman and elsewhere on the CBC to understand that the situation is rather complex.

If you don’t know that by now, then I suspect you’re an unconscious citizen.

]]> By: Daryl http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89229 Daryl Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:52:02 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89229 I don't speak French, I get my opinions based on English media. Most do oppose separation if you look at polls or election result percentages. However a large percentage of these people may not want separation but they want more and more from Canadians. The ROC cares what Quebec thinks and tries to put up with the damands, do they care what the ROC thinks of them?Do they understand that calling them separatists is not meant to be derogatory? If there are say 60% of Quebecers who want to remain a part of Canada. Why do we not hear from them as defenders of Canada. Do they rally? With the Canadian flag? Are there Quebecers who think Canada is pretty fair to Quebec. Do they speak up? I don’t speak French, I get my opinions based on English media. Most do oppose separation if you look at polls or election result percentages. However a large percentage of these people may not want separation but they want more and more from Canadians. The ROC cares what Quebec thinks and tries to put up with the damands, do they care what the ROC thinks of them?Do they understand that calling them separatists is not meant to be derogatory?
If there are say 60% of Quebecers who want to remain a part of Canada. Why do we not hear from them as defenders of Canada. Do they rally? With the Canadian flag? Are there Quebecers who think Canada is pretty fair to Quebec. Do they speak up?

]]> By: PolJunkie http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89228 PolJunkie Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:36:03 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89228 "If there are those in Quebec who actually want to be contributers to one Canada and reject separatists outright, they sure are quiet." Daryl, is that so? Then please explain how it is that the vast majority of Quebecers oppose the sovereignity movement? “If there are those in Quebec who actually want to be contributers to one Canada and reject separatists outright, they sure are quiet.”

Daryl, is that so? Then please explain how it is that the vast majority of Quebecers oppose the sovereignity movement?

]]> By: PolJunkie http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89227 PolJunkie Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:32:44 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89227 mecheng, are you talking about Quebec or Alberta or Newfounland? I'm confused. mecheng, are you talking about Quebec or Alberta or Newfounland? I’m confused.

]]> By: kc http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89226 kc Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:54:01 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89226 No. You get off my...reply..thingie! No. You get off my…reply..thingie!

]]> By: Daryl http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89225 Daryl Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:37:44 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89225 Personally I think the NP is closer to what most of the ROC thinks rather than Radwanksi. However for some reason noone in the media is daring enough to commision a poll to settle who is right. I think most of the major media are afraid of what they might find out.... The ROC don't much like Quebec. And would not mind so much if they left. If there are those in Quebec who actually want to be contributers to one Canada and reject separatists outright, they sure are quiet. Personally I think the NP is closer to what most of the ROC thinks rather than Radwanksi. However for some reason noone in the media is daring enough to commision a poll to settle who is right. I think most of the major media are afraid of what they might find out…. The ROC don’t much like Quebec. And would not mind so much if they left.
If there are those in Quebec who actually want to be contributers to one Canada and reject separatists outright, they sure are quiet.

]]> By: Sophie http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89224 Sophie Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:31:52 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89224 What's wrong with the Québec Act? I never thought protection against assimilation seemed so unreasonable... What’s wrong with the Québec Act? I never thought protection against assimilation seemed so unreasonable…

]]> By: Sisyphus http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89223 Sisyphus Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:29:20 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89223 Yup. Probably a thousand Canadians ( including Quebecois ) .... and one Brit ... give a damn. To repeat .. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisks-world-it8217s-been-250-years-but-war-still-rages-on-the-plains-of-abraham-1628196.html Yup. Probably a thousand Canadians ( including Quebecois ) …. and one Brit … give a damn. To repeat ..

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisks-world-it8217s-been-250-years-but-war-still-rages-on-the-plains-of-abraham-1628196.html

]]> By: Sisyphus http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89222 Sisyphus Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:23:04 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89222 Get off my lawn ! Get off my lawn !

]]> By: Sophie http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89221 Sophie Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:03:42 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89221 *bashes head on desk* *bashes head on desk*

]]> By: kc http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89220 kc Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:37:49 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89220 I do take issue with Mr Gohier's remarks on Meech and Charlottetown [ i get the 2 mixed up now ] You say Meech was derailed largely by ROC bigotry. Provide specific examples please, and not just a couple of loons chanting Q sucks either. The way i remember Meech it was pretty much the end result of one man's hubris and an attempt to back-room Canadians - well there was that guy with the feather who stood up for his principles - not one of the bigots i presume. If i recall Q rejected Meech too, not just ROC. Charlottetown i don't recall so well, cept for the big guy calling Brian out - that was sweet. What was it again: a sniveller...just about right, that time anyway. However it sickens me to see NP board wrapping itself in the flag whenever it's convenient. I do take issue with Mr Gohier’s remarks on Meech and Charlottetown [ i get the 2 mixed up now ] You say Meech was derailed largely by ROC bigotry. Provide specific examples please, and not just a couple of loons chanting Q sucks either. The way i remember Meech it was pretty much the end result of one man’s hubris and an attempt to back-room Canadians – well there was that guy with the feather who stood up for his principles – not one of the bigots i presume. If i recall Q rejected Meech too, not just ROC.
Charlottetown i don’t recall so well, cept for the big guy calling Brian out – that was sweet. What was it again: a sniveller…just about right, that time anyway.
However it sickens me to see NP board wrapping itself in the flag whenever it’s convenient.

]]> By: peimac http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89219 peimac Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:19:59 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89219 Depending on your point of view , it started about the week after the Plains of Abraham. ;-) Depending on your point of view , it started about the week after the Plains of Abraham. ;-)

]]> By: peimac http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89218 peimac Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:17:58 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89218 If the event hadn't been canceled or delayed would anyone have noticed? Really, given the treatment of Canadians towards history most of could have on never realizing the event had taken place (the re-enactment; hopefully education still teaches the battle). The event could have been let go due to lack of interest but not no longer. Now we have interest and vehemently decry that we won't be able to miss this historical re-enactment! If the event hadn’t been canceled or delayed would anyone have noticed? Really, given the treatment of Canadians towards history most of could have on never realizing the event had taken place (the re-enactment; hopefully education still teaches the battle). The event could have been let go due to lack of interest but not no longer. Now we have interest and vehemently decry that we won’t be able to miss this historical re-enactment!

]]> By: DR http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89217 DR Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:09:15 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89217 I hate agreeing with the National Post. Ugh... What exactly is so outrageous about their suggestions? The Francophonie thing seems petty but other than that it's just taking away all the nonsense Quebec has extorted out of the ocountry over the last two (or twenty) years. I hate agreeing with the National Post. Ugh…

What exactly is so outrageous about their suggestions? The Francophonie thing seems petty but other than that it’s just taking away all the nonsense Quebec has extorted out of the ocountry over the last two (or twenty) years.

]]> By: Ti-Guy http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89216 Ti-Guy Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:54:24 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89216 You'd be surprised how many of your fatuous comments I ignore outright. You’d be surprised how many of your fatuous comments I ignore outright.

]]> By: jwl http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89215 jwl Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:50:12 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89215 Why stop now? It's what you mostly do here, as far as I can tell. Why stop now? It’s what you mostly do here, as far as I can tell.

]]> By: Bill Simpson http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89214 Bill Simpson Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:48:22 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89214 Well, I don;t agree with everything in the editorial, but it is surely time to tell some of these jackasses in Quebec what is what. One of things that I liked most about Dion was his assertive and reasonable challenges to all the nonsense coming out of the sovereignty movement. If arguing the point about these issues is 'raising the stakes', then we have reached a very ebb. Well, I don;t agree with everything in the editorial, but it is surely time to tell some of these jackasses in Quebec what is what. One of things that I liked most about Dion was his assertive and reasonable challenges to all the nonsense coming out of the sovereignty movement.

If arguing the point about these issues is ‘raising the stakes’, then we have reached a very ebb.

]]> By: kc http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89213 kc Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:41:05 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89213 Yawn. Does anyone take the NP editoral board seriouly? That is apart from jwl. They must have let that moron Gunter lead on this one. The NP board is like having to put up with yr senile old gramps in the attic. He makes a bit of a mess occasionally, swears too much and can't seem to get over the last war. The old darling niffs a bit too, but what can you do, he's family after all. Yawn. Does anyone take the NP editoral board seriouly? That is apart from jwl. They must have let that moron Gunter lead on this one.
The NP board is like having to put up with yr senile old gramps in the attic. He makes a bit of a mess occasionally, swears too much and can’t seem to get over the last war. The old darling niffs a bit too, but what can you do, he’s family after all.

]]> By: Ti-Guy http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89212 Ti-Guy Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:34:12 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89212 I'll dance on CanWest's grave. I’ll dance on CanWest’s grave.

]]> By: kc http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89211 kc Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:29:46 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89211 Some tpping pt. If we're ever going to let them go, or ask them to leave, shouldn't it be over something worth getting upset over? Some tpping pt. If we’re ever going to let them go, or ask them to leave, shouldn’t it be over something worth getting upset over?

]]> By: kc http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89210 kc Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:24:48 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89210 Wow! Let's all tell AB what it must do with the oil-sands. That'll put those hicks in their place. Wow! Let’s all tell AB what it must do with the oil-sands. That’ll put those hicks in their place.

]]> By: Ti-Guy http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89209 Ti-Guy Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:18:46 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89209 <i>It was like they were reading my mind....</i> Must. Resist. Cheap. Shot. It was like they were reading my mind….

Must. Resist. Cheap. Shot.

]]> By: mecheng http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89208 mecheng Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:08:47 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89208 I especially like how you bring up the idea that this is a disproportionate response. Try to think of it as a tipping point instead. Imagine a married couple where one member (lets say the husband) takes advantage of and manipulates the wife for years and years. When he isn't happy with the relationship he might contemplate divorce, but never actually goes through with it. Nobody is surprised when one day, the husband comes home and finds the wife has left. Well, the husband is probably surprised...he has gotten his way for years and years, and thought he would be able to keep doing this indefinitely... I especially like how you bring up the idea that this is a disproportionate response. Try to think of it as a tipping point instead.

Imagine a married couple where one member (lets say the husband) takes advantage of and manipulates the wife for years and years. When he isn’t happy with the relationship he might contemplate divorce, but never actually goes through with it. Nobody is surprised when one day, the husband comes home and finds the wife has left. Well, the husband is probably surprised…he has gotten his way for years and years, and thought he would be able to keep doing this indefinitely…

]]> By: finalspin http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89207 finalspin Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:06:29 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89207 To make sure their point comes across clearly, I presume Saturday's editorial will be entitled: "Screw Quebec. Screw them, screw them, screw them." And decorate it with another op-ed about the decline of political discourse in Canada, just for balance. If the Post's EdBoard wants to stir things up with over-the-top rhetoric, that is their prerogative. However, they should use factually correct statements to do so. It's bad, sloppy work. To make sure their point comes across clearly, I presume Saturday’s editorial will be entitled: “Screw Quebec. Screw them, screw them, screw them.” And decorate it with another op-ed about the decline of political discourse in Canada, just for balance.

If the Post’s EdBoard wants to stir things up with over-the-top rhetoric, that is their prerogative. However, they should use factually correct statements to do so. It’s bad, sloppy work.

]]> By: Olaf http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89206 Olaf Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:48:30 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89206 Wow. Collective punishment eh? If treating Quebec as the equivalent of any other province is collective punishment, what does that make the treatment of all lesser provinces up till now? Wow. Collective punishment eh? If treating Quebec as the equivalent of any other province is collective punishment, what does that make the treatment of all lesser provinces up till now?

]]> By: jwl http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/02/24/the-post-to-quebec-love-canada-or-else/comment-page-1/#comment-89205 jwl Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:41:42 +0000 http://blog.macleans.ca/?p=38765#comment-89205 "Enough of the decades of appeasement; it’s time for Ottawa to adopt a tough-love attitude toward Quebec." Spot on. I thought the editorial was fantastic, no surprise there though. It was like they were reading my mind. I don't care about the re-enactment, if Quebecers decide to forfeit a considerable amount of tourism dollars in order to cut off their nose to spite their face than so be it, but I agree with the rest of it. I am tired of all the whinging that comes from Quebec when they are the most favoured province within Canada. “Enough of the decades of appeasement; it’s time for Ottawa to adopt a tough-love attitude toward Quebec.”

Spot on. I thought the editorial was fantastic, no surprise there though. It was like they were reading my mind. I don’t care about the re-enactment, if Quebecers decide to forfeit a considerable amount of tourism dollars in order to cut off their nose to spite their face than so be it, but I agree with the rest of it. I am tired of all the whinging that comes from Quebec when they are the most favoured province within Canada.

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