I can take anything thrown at me sf.

Sometimes, most often times in fact, I just don’t care to respond. Instead, I prefer to step away from the computer, into the daylight, and enjoy the company of people I can interact with live and in-person. Try it sometime!

Given the imagery the CPC website used regarding youth crime, I don’t think it’s entirely unfair to make a jab at their expense.

And when you’re editor of Harvard Law Review, then you may call Obama dumb.

that’s not all they were calling Obama kc. remember NAFTA-gate? trying to suggest that Obama couldn’t be trusted on NAFTA issues by using your ambassador and others to leak information when the man you are maligning has a tone not your own is a typical type of attack against a person of colour in that country. if they did not intend the inference, i’d be very surprised. how could they not know?

Michelle Obama was depicted as being trussed up to be raped and lynched; Obama had to tell them to “lay off my wife”. he’s been depicted with a scope on his head. this is the new way of showing the “blacks” how “equal” they are.

look at the recent conservative rag NYP cartoon and the immediate reaction to it by ppl of all “races” in the states who “got” the implication of a depiction of assassination against Obama (he’s on the other page signing the bill referred to in the stupid cartoon!) given the history of using monkeys to depict ppl of African descent.

and Palin’s rallies had ppl shouting comments like “kill the n*****r” meaning Obama … or maligning the Muslim religion; you name it, they had it. they also had an idiot holding a stuffed monkey with “Obama” written on it. i never heard Palin or Republicans or conservs condemning it until it looked bad. it’s not as if they had a moral conversion. ppl who are used to this type of treatment can read between the lines.

this just looks like the “white guy” still trying to pimp or jones on the successful “black guy” who just got “honourary white status” and is now no longer 3/5 of a man, until someone can topple him from his throne or get ppl to lose their “crush” on him.

Leenie
Those stories are disgusting, however i don’t think that is relevent here. No-one’s suggesting SH’s a rascist, merely opportunist and politically fickle.

actually kc,

racism is just elitism in a colour-caste system; deny it at your peril when it’s all around you.

jwl – mean to reply directly to your post, but messed up; my reply is below beginning “I generally agree.”

Nah James, Mill was just a liberal!

Myron only uses telegraph, and he often turns his machine off, but I’ll send a rider to his house and see what we can do.

Since we’ve made some headway so far, I’ll push my luck here and suggest that another thing we have to sort out for a viable “conservative” movement is the whole “science is pure bunkum ah hooey!” mentality. That needs to go. I’m no scientist, but evolution seems legit. I know that’s tied to the whole “throwing social conservatives under the bus” strategy, but to the extent it goes further than that, it should be snuffed out. Second is global warming. Again, I’m no scientist. But to the degree to which we’re willing to do our part to reduce our carbon emissions (as I’ll remind Conbots, Harper has pledged to do repeatedly), certainly we should be using market based mechanisms, no? Like, oh, I don’t know, a carbon tax, or as I like to call it, a “tax on absolutely everything ever”! I mean, one thing I find so strange about the CPC plan to reduce emissions, is that it’s relatively heavy on regulation, and light on market based mechanisms, which conservatives normally advocate (there’s a vague, somewhere over the rainbow carbon exchange plan, but still). A well designed revenue neutral carbon tax is what I consider to be a “conservative” policy (once the need to reduce carbon emissions is granted), and yet Harper was able to frame it as positively Marxist.

“whole “science is pure bunkum ah hooey!” mentality.”

I don’t agree with this stereotype. First of all, global warming theory is not science yet, it’s pure guess work. If it was sound theory, AGM supporters wouldn’t need to make fraudulent claims/graphs and there wouldn’t be lots of other scientists punching holes in their theories. Tho I do agree Cons should be doing more to conserve environment in other ways.

Secondly, I find social conservatives have issues with evolution but readily accept biology while libs/progressive like evolution but have troubles with biology.

I agree with both David and Olaf that social conservatives will have to bend more towards libertarianism or else social conservatives will never have a chance of gaining power.

You’ve put your finger on it, sf; the issue is whether we ought to use the state to enforce community standards, or whether the creation and enforcement of those standards should be a private affair. The challenge for libertarians is to convince social conservatives that they’re better off abandoning attempts to use state power for their ends, on the ground that the same state power is just as likely – and, in Canada, more likely – to be used to ends directly contrary to their interests. In plain English: if social conservatives don’t want to be told by the state who gets to get married in their churches, they shouldn’t try to use the state to tell other people who can get married in those folks’ churches. Unless, of course, social conservatives think they can maintain a permanent hold on the exercise of state power. In Canada I don’t think that’s a betting proposition.