NewSpiritOfCooperationWatch: Great moments in ministerial/stakeholder relations

by kadyomalley on Monday, March 2, 2009 8:01am - 53 Comments

Note to newly ascended junior cabinet minister Gary Goodyear and staff: it’s rarely a good sign when a Globe and Mail story about a recent meeting with representatives of one of your core client constituencies begins with the words “the screaming erupted” and ends with you “storming out” as they flee your office without even pausing to retrieve their coats:

The screaming erupted last Wednesday afternoon, just down the street from Parliament Hill, in the offices of a Conservative cabinet minister.

Two officials with Canadian Association of University Teachers sat on one side of a boardroom table and on the other sat Gary Goodyear, Minister of Science and Technology, his policy adviser Wesley Moore and a civil servant ready to take notes.

CAUT, a lobby group that represents 65,000 staff at 121 colleges and universities, had planned to raise concerns over the government’s handling of research funding. But within moments, it became clear they wouldn’t get very far.

“The minister was very angry,” said David Robinson, associate executive director of CAUT. “He was raising his voice and pointing his finger … He said everyone loves their [federal budget] and we said, ‘A lot of our members don’t love it’… and he said, ‘That’s because you’re lying to them, misleading them.’”

The talks, Mr. Robinson said, went from bad to worse. In 15 years on the job, he “never had a meeting like that.”

Mr. Goodyear agrees. “I, too, have never had a meeting like that. It was a unique experience and one I don’t care to repeat.” [...]

They had barely begun to state their case, Mr. Robinson said, when the minister accused them of twisting facts.

When CAUT staff said the Conservatives have a spotty record on science and noted they abolished the office of the national science adviser, Mr. Robinson said, the minister’s assistant screamed at them to shut up.

“Then the minister said, ‘You’ve burned all your bridges with us!’ and they stormed out.

“In all the meetings I’ve been in like this, I’ve never been shouted at and told to shut up,” Mr. Robinson said. The civil servant who escorted them to the elevator suggested it would not even be a good idea to return to the minister’s office to collect their coats, he said. Instead, she retrieved them.

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  • Wascally Wabbit

    Someone has to say it…far too much hot air coming from that Goodyear!

    • archangel

      Yeah, when the rubber hits the road and explodes — it’s a Goodyear.

  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    Uhhhh, wow. I’m assumed that this is some bizzaro one-off experience. Maybe Goodyear was just having a bad day/off his meds/both.

    • Northern PoV

      Sadly it is not a one-off as you hope….
      for Goodyear or anyone in Harper’s cabinet.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    Another might be – Minister – could you repeat that in french for our francophone readers…

  • http://deleted Sandi

    Are you surprised? Did you ever watch those committee meetings re: the In and Out, etc.?

    This guy is a loose, partisan canon – should be FIRED!

    • Scott M.

      Canons work best when fired.

      • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

        kudos!

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    Assuming this account is even accurate, I have my doubts, I bet Gary Goodyear felt a lot better after shouting at the ivory tower buffoons a little bit.

    • Scott M.

      But isn’t his job to work with stakeholders? At a minimum, you have to admit it was unprofessional…

    • Just visiting

      jwl wrote of: “ivory tower buffoons”

      Is that an official CPC talking point for use when arguments fail, and a dismissive smearing of Canada’s science community is needed?

      Just wondering.

    • Ti-Guy

      Assuming this account is even accurate, I have my doubts, I bet Gary Goodyear felt a lot better after shouting at the ivory tower buffoons a little bit.

      This is belligerent stupidity.

      • Sisyphus

        Oh, they’re probably artists too.

    • TJ Cook

      Yes, well that’s exactly why we pay people like Goodyear 6-figure salaries and put them in charge of major government agencies – so they can act like spoiled teenagers and then “feel better”.

      If that account is accurate, there was one major buffoon in that room and he didn’t come from no ivory tower university.

    • Douglass

      “Assuming this account is even accurate, I have my doubts, I bet Gary Goodyear felt a lot better after shouting at the ivory tower buffoons a little bit.”

      Wow. And I thought the government was supposed to work with Canadians, even the educated ones. How naive of me.

  • Paul Wells

    Most of the towers in Canadian universities are made from poured concrete. True fact.

    • Lord Kitchener’s Own

      Ain’t that the truth. Students certainly know that, as on many campuses they spend an inordinate amount of time dodging chunks of concrete falling off the sides of the crumbling towers.

      • Wotcher?

        That concrete ain’t falling. It’s being hurled at them by Conservative ministers.

      • http://www.illegalcurve.com AMM

        Have you ever seen West Block? That’s the best place in the country to play dodge the falling masonry.

        • Angela K

          So true! And the asbestos that’s in WB too…we’ll be seeing some lawsuits from our dear MP’s when they start getting sick from that.

    • archangel

      And rebar. You forgot about the rebar that keeps everything so rigid.

  • Stewart

    I would be very interested to know what the expert committee that replaced Art Carty as science advisor thinks about the last budget.

    • Just visiting

      Good question. Just put the question in writing and send it in; after 6 months with no reply, file an Access to information request, and wait another 6 months; etc., etc.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    And for ABSOLUTE ACCURACY Mr. Wells – you should have further pointed out that most if not all of them – aren’t painted – ivory or any other colour!

    • Paul Wells

      DB Weldon Library at Western: One of the really important buildings of my life, and one of the absolute ugliest buildings in Canada.

      • http://economics.about.com Mike Moffatt

        Social Science is uglier.

      • Kyle Bailey

        I think McGill far outshines(dulls) campuses when it comes to uglyiest buildings, esp. Campus buildings. In fact, one ofthe few architectural styles I know is “Brutalist.” (bare,unadorned poured concrete)
        Although Wikipedia only mentions the three tallest McGill buildings, there are actually six buildings which are nothing but concrete cubes.
        In fact, the profs I know live in small offices whose windows don’t open. I’d invite jwl to go and see for himself- but chances are he wouldn’t be able to get past the construction which is a series of bandaids to badly put off infrastructure package.

        • Kaplan

          Then there’s OttawaU’s library. What a drab, dreary, and sad place to study.

  • Just visiting

    Here’s a thought: if conservative ministers have been consistently riding roughshod over stakeholders, then the CAUT story could trigger more groups to come forward with horror stories of ministerial meetings.

    This could be instructive. It could also push the CPC into declaring open war on all their stakeholder-enemies.

    Their base will love this kind of smearing (or any kind of smearing, for that matter) but I’ll bet Canadians will be real unimpressed.

    • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

      Isn’t the Con base Canadian? Or do only foreigners vote for Harper et al?

      • http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com Scott Tribe

        Wow.. you’re really throwing out the Con talking points. The PMO has the cheque in the mail for you with this effort, I don’t doubt.

        • Ti-Guy

          sn’t the Con base Canadian?

          Not that I recognise, no.

          • Delano

            Ti-Guy’s political allies: The Only Real Canadians™.

            Ti-Guy’s political adversaries: unpatriotic, possibly treasonous.

            Does that about cover it?

          • Ti-Guy

            Ti-Guy’s political adversaries: unpatriotic, possibly treasonous.

            I said “not recognisably Canadian” since the Canadians I know at least understand how a parliamentary democracy works. Even the Conservative elite doesn’t understand it.

            That’s pretty bad and that’s just starting. When we think of how ignorant Conservatives are of the country’s history, its diverse culture(s), its traditional approach to the relationship between the state and the citizen…well, it all looks rather alien to me.

            And I’m not the first to remark on that.

      • Sisyphus

        Not sure about Harper ….. he seems to only talk to Americans lately. Move over Rick Mercer.

    • http://www.iheartmusic.net matthew

      This could be instructive. It could also push the CPC into declaring open war on all their stakeholder-enemies.

      …and this would be different from their typical behaviour how?

  • catherine

    What does Goodyear mean by `you’ve burned all your bridges’? Is that it for Canadian research and universities? Sell them off for their assets now?

    Aren’t there any grownups running this place? Yesterday we are told by Baird that Harper just threatened an election out of frustration and now the Minister for Science is saying Canadian scientists don’t exist anymore as far as he is concerned. No wonder they are working on personal attack ads. Pooping birds and lettuce heads are the only things these guys excel at.

    • Ti-Guy

      Aren’t there any grownups running this place?

      Nope. Nowhere…not in any of our institutions and certainly not in the media, as far as I can tell. But that shouldn’t be surprising, given a mass culture that celebrates sophomoric behaviour, particularly of the fratboy kind.

  • Jameso

    And across the Atlantic, an impoverished graduate student feels that much better about paying international fees to study abroad.

  • John D

    I know the folks at CAUT, and while they certainly are pretty far left, they’re not crazy need-to-be-screamed-at extremists

    • John D

      And I should mention the two gentlemen in that meeting are very professional and would have done nothing to bring this on – other than refute the fact that “everybody loves” the budget.

  • serendipitty

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    • archangel

      Godyear’s simply a master baiter.

  • serendipitty

    British journal says Harper anti-science

    Under the headline “Science in Retreat,” an editorial in Thursday’s issue of the British journal Nature says Canada’s Conservative government has a “dismal” track record on science and the environment.

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v451/n7181/full/451866a.html

    ARRRRR [ ! ] THERE’S THE RUB FOR GARY GOODYEAR [ ! ]

  • cam

    Gary mad. Gary smash!

  • Angela K

    Not only can most Ministers in the conservative government not speak a word of french (Looking at your Toews and Bev Oda!) but now they go and yell at stakeholders?! What is wrong with them??? Why do they hate scientists so much? Oh right, because most of them don’t vote conservative and they have nothing to win by cajoling them.

  • http://www.canadianrosebud.blogspot.com burlivespipe

    They save all their best soft-tones for stakeholders like Big Oil, Lawyers in charge of Harper’s follies, et al. It’s an exclusive club, apparently.

  • DianeG

    I note he is a junior cabinet minister. He has not yet received his lessons in manners from all the senior cabinet ministers Advanced lessons include but are not limited to -
    1. how to bore someone to death by answering questions with long senseless questions of your own (or using the template concealed in your desk drawer).
    2. How to deny that you are making or will make any changes, whilst making them.
    3, How to steer the disgruntled constituent to very junior staff who will apply #1 again.
    Repeat as often as required.

  • http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=3605270&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=39&Ses=2#Int-2552746 Steph C

    ITQ fans should not be surprised, as Goodyear is not known for his good judgment, tact and diplomacy, especially in meetings. Of course, as a Minister of State, he cannot sit as a member of the ETHI cttee, but his spirit lives on with Block, Dechert, Dreeshen, Hiebert and Poilievre.

    • cam

      agreed.

  • D

    This Globe piece is a solid piece of journalism that clearly demonstrates what the Canadian scientific community is up against with respect to receiving reasonable and consistent funding from the incredibly clueless and short-sighted Conservative government. Canadians deserve to be governed by adults, and have their tax money managed in a responsible, intelligent manner. The Conservative’s “science policy” (or more accurately “anti-science” or “no-science” policy) exposes them as the amateurs and partisan hacks that they are. Goodyear should be fired. Immediately. And replaced by someone who actually knows something about scientific research, and who knows how to run a meeting without degenerating into screaming at people.

  • herringchoker

    Has anyone checked whether Goodyear has any children attending York U? I believe that was CAUT’s last public relations triumph.

  • http://www.jackmitchell.ca J@ck M!tchell

    So, a Harperite cabinet minister is a psychopath. Who’d've thunk.

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