Comments on: The Most Dangerous Cities in Canada: Overall crime score—by rank

By: scared

scared — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:21:01 +0000

we are a family of 6 looking to move to surrey bc now im frightned should i be my 14 yr old son will be in earl marriott school help

By: rob

rob — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:51:06 +0000

i lived in halifax all my life, and its hardly that bad. sure each city has few places to avoid. i would feel safer walking the streets of halifax at night, then running around vancouver, regina or toronto. and lets be honest, higher population, leads to higher crime. at least were not in the USA, where every city is the most dangerous

By: daniel

daniel — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:06:29 +0000

chilliwack bitchez

By: Jay

Jay — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:36:15 +0000

I'd rather deal with a little more crime than your aweful winters and unattractive province.

By: Jay

Jay — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:08:31 +0000

Thank you Alex!! I was so pleased to see your post. I am so tired of people trying to cover up Victoria's problems by denying everything and trying to make it seem like the "sleepy Victoria" people expect. Well it's not, it's a great place to live but as a long time resident it deserves the ranking it received!

By: Elle

Elle — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:58:37 +0000

Obviously you have never been a victim of these crimes. Ohh right that's bad for tourism, never mind that's more important!

Hope that load of bull never happens to you!

By: Jay

Jay — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:42:27 +0000

God you are dumb as a doorknob! Maybe do some more research before making an ignorant post like this!

By: Jay

Jay — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:37:19 +0000

Maybe you should live in city before you comment. I have spent lots of time in Los Angeles but have never had a problem, I guess I could say the same about that city. Listen jerk I live in Victoria and have for a long time, I cannot go out for a walk without being begged for change everyday, I have stepped over many hypodermic needles in parks, been robbed at gun point, had my cell phone stolen by knife point, car broken into twice and my apartment once as well. Ohh and the guy in the apartment above me shot his girlfriend to death when they were high on meth, one of those bullets put a very large hole in my couch. (Thank god I went to bed early that night)

Trust me these statistics are accurate….. but of course all you ignorant people know better.

By: James

James — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:08:17 +0000

Facts: 1: Areas with high populations of Blacks or Natives, always results in more violence, this is true all over the world. New Zealand, it's the Maori who cause most the problems. In Britain, it's the poor London areas where Blacks reside that is the most dangerous. The US, no need to go into that country. Canada, is very much the same. The reason these races are so violent, too many to go into, we all know them anyway, but we can't say them out loud or we're labelled racist.
2: Welfare: This has destroyed communities all over the world also, Britain has huge problems with lazy natives and migrants who are happy to claim welfare, not work, and then spend their days causing havoc out or boredom and general stupidity, this is much the same everywhere else in the world. These welfare reliant yobs then create bigger social problems, more drugs, more immigrants needed in the country to do the jobs the morons won't, etc etc.
3: Policing: Because of human rights and laws that favor the criminals and make life unbearable for the law abiding, hard working, honest citizens, police have a nightmare.

By: waterloo

waterloo — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:40:05 +0000

I don't believe for a second that Thunder Bay is the most dangerous place in Ontario. Why is York region so low? Haven't you ever heard of Jane and Finch? I went to York University for a year and there were numerous rapings on and around the campus.

By: pawan from cambridge

pawan from cambridge — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:58:35 +0000

im from cambridge in waterloo reagon im 68 omg

By: Fred

Fred — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:34:57 +0000

…. What your saying may be true for cities like Prince Geroge and Chiliwack B.C. But ive lived in Winnipeg most of my life and I have been jacked many times on Main street and the downtown area, once by gunpoint! all for petty stuff, all by natives. Winnipeg does have very nice areas to live but Winnipeg ranked #2 is accurate

By: guest

guest — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:20:46 +0000

I know this comment will get alot of flack, but Saskatoon, Winnipeg and Regina are the top 3 due to their very large aboriginal populations. Period. Full Stop. There are social, economic and cultural reasons for this, but there is no denying that a disporportionate percentage of the stats for those 3 cities are instigated by people of aboriginal descent. I have lived in 2 of the 3 cities and have experienced firsthand the problems those centers face.

By: Navi

Navi — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:19:28 +0000

I assume you aren't aware that if you just press "ctrl+F" on your keyboard & type the name of your city/town, it will highlight it and take you right to it.

By: John

John — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:52:59 +0000

edmonton sucks

By: halifaxgirl

halifaxgirl — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:41:07 +0000

wow, halifax being number 7 is actually unbelievable.
i live in halifax and it is craaaaazy that its ranked that high out of 100. like com'on, sure there may be less safe places in halifax, but the dartmouth side is amazing. its really not good for tourism if its ranked 7th.
i just think thats a load of bull.

By: woe

woe — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:27:47 +0000

Interesting that you call the Natives 'racist'…did you read your own comment? I am a Native person
without a criminal record who lives in a town that houses differing Native communities…we don't even make
some of the lists here. But I can sure tell a racist when I read one. You need to remember (or learn about)
that the government brought the 'blacks' here on slave ships.,,,while they were busily wiping out the Native
communities with reservation moves, loss of land, and disease. So you can look to them to clean up the
mess that you feel has entailed from this. It takes years (in Europe, hundreds of years – and that's where
the 'whites' came from) for a people to come back from this type of genocide and mass mistreatment. There
is a sadness and unrest in the soul that is created in this. It takes generations to heal. Look at Northern Ireland.
Lots of crime and murder there. But not many blacks and natives….
Just whities! Now how could that happen?!

By: Matt G

Matt G — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:06:53 +0000

If they made a list saying Canada was in the top 5 most dangerous countries in the world, It wouldn't bother me. Because I don't live in ALL of Canada, just like I don't live in ALL of Calgary. I'm just one guy, living in my small corner. This is why this article is so irrelevant. The article is made insignificant; not by the accuracy of its statistics but by the breadth of its scope. It is simply far too unspecific to carry any meaning whatsoever.

I shouldn't say it is insignificant. It poses, in fact, a significant social threat through the reactions or the reader, and the misinformed opinions he will form. It is significant because, like most other lists in this publication, it is a breach of trust on the part of an established news organization, and is nothing short of public manipulation.

By: Vic

Vic — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:27:07 +0000

What reason did the cops give for not pressing charges??

By: Guy from Alberta

Guy from Alberta — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:05:44 +0000

People say that this list is flawed because it is not accurate. I disagree. You can't measure a city based on the overall crimes commited, because it would just put the large cities on top because they are simply so populated. This is why Saskatoon is so high. 10 murders in Saskatoon is equal to 100 murders in Toronto. And it is true probably more than 70% of crime in Saskatoon, Regina and Winnipeg is commited by Aboriginal populations. I wish they included all communities in Canada by crime rate, because I guarantee the top places would be mostly reservations in the west (i.e. Hobema, AB).

By: dave from ottawa

dave from ottawa — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:56:55 +0000

Saskatoon is in no way flawed the city has gone way down hill check the murder rates, assault, rape, burglary, etc… if Saskatoon is not first its in the top 5 the fact that anyone i saying its not a s dangerous is ignorant to solid facts although i agree its stupid to have it up with Rio i also agree with the fact that its due to aboriginals while ti is not entirely their fault for their situation at some point they have to take responsibility we have to follow what the Aussies did and until we do that nothings gonna change and this shit show is going to continue.

By: Dave from toon

Dave from toon — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:52:21 +0000

Also, is it true that the stats for homicide are weighted the same as car thefts and break and enters? If this is so, it is no wonder your list is so flawed. I am sure Saskatoon hasn’t had more than 10 homicides in a year in a long time if ever. How many did Toronto or Surrey have last week?

By: Dave from toon

Dave from toon — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:47:19 +0000

Wow, thanks again Macleans … Your list is flawed and makes Saskatoon look like Kabul. Thanks to your flawed methodology you were used as the main resource for real clear world’s poorly researched top ten most dangerous cities list. Although Saskatoon does have its problems such as youth gangs and relitively isolated crimes that come with them, we are hardly comparable to Johannesburg and Rio de Janeiro. In my opinion it is not even comparable to Surrey or Toronto and all the gun violence that they have been seeing for the last ten years. Thanks again Macleans …

By: saskatoon is safe

saskatoon is safe — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:26:04 +0000

Thomas, you are OBVIOUSLY not from Saskatoon, I completely agree with “also safe in Saskatoon” I have lived here for 25 years and have never experienced any trouble, nor have any of my friends or family, we do have crime, just like every other city but I feel these stats to be very unreliable. This is just not the case here. And also if you look at the stats for Saskatoon, crime rates are decreasing by quite a bit so to say that we aren’t doing anything about it is simply ignorant!

By: thomas

thomas — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:52:33 +0000

The scary thing about Saskatoon being #1 is the won’t admit it so the are obviously not going to try and deal with it.

By: Luke

Luke — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:52:06 +0000

For the ” 17th most dangerous city” this article is completly wrong. having grown up in brantford for 9 years and lived in all different parts of the city I know the ONLY bad part of the city is downtown. Over 75% of all crimes in brantford are commited there. Also less then 20% of the total population lives in that area. So much like the first comment I completly disagree with this article. Also did this writer ever live in all parts of the city long enough to realize what parts are good and not so good. No I don’t think so.

By: Dion Protzak

Dion Protzak — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:46:49 +0000

I would like you to know that I will never, nor will I ever encourage anyone to, read this magazine. As a Canadian I am ashamed that it is thought of as a credible publication. If there is any justice, this magazine will lose it’s viability as an entity. Yes I am a westerner, and to me this magazine represents everything wrong with Canada. I will continue to endeavor to gain knowledge and grow intellectually, I would suggest the people manufacturing this magazine will one day decide to as well.

By: Also SAFE in Saskatoon

Also SAFE in Saskatoon — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:30:16 +0000

A very good point Corra. Common sense should prevail when creating these kinds of stories, but apparently the common sense editor was on lunch when this was published.

Dear Macleans – Common Sense Editor (if such a thing exists…)

Using the example of an elementary level school…

There are 12 classrooms in this school. One of the classrooms has a behaviour problem, with several of the students quite out of control. They steal from the other students in their classroom, they get into fights with the other students in their classroom, they engage in vandalism of that classroom and the belongings in it, and engage in other naughty acts in that classroom, creating the type of situation all of those types of behaviour are bound to create.

The only thing is… aside from the occasional slip and dalliance outside that classroom, most of what goes on does remain in that classroom.

Along comes some silly periodical writer who, after grabbing statistics about naughty behaviour in schools, decides not to look at the fact that for the majority of the students…. that school is safe and a perfectly good place to go to school because they succeed, they’re happy, they enjoy life in their classrooms… and so on. That writer ignores the fact that (for example) the 144 naughty acts on record for a particular year all happened in that classroom, while this writer places the next school on the list, (whose 120 acts happened in all of their 12 classrooms at a rate of 10 per room) lower down the scoring list… deeming it ’safer’ because it had only 120 acts recorded compared to the 144.

That writer ignores the fact that the students at the school with 120 acts might actually feel less safe than the students at the school with 144 acts, because it’s happening everywhere and that means no one can feel safe.

Is it bad to have those 144 acts in the one room? Of course. But it doesn’t make that school less safe than the other.

Thanks.

I do hope you think this through next time you’re planning to create these kinds of lists because your lack of common sense might actually cause someone to choose the less safe ’school’ to send their children to because they took you literally.

I’m sure you wouldn’t prefer to sell magazines and advertising more than you’d prefer to give people accurate and responsible information to base their decisions on, now…. would you?

By: Also SAFE in Saskatoon

Also SAFE in Saskatoon — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:07:42 +0000

Exactly! I can assure you, unless you plan to live, or hang out in a select very few ‘certain’ neighbourhoods, Saskatoon is quite safe… and lovely, with lots to offer! ALL cities have those ‘certain’ neighbourhoods… the folks at Macleans should and could do better than put out something with outdated data and skewed facts.

By: Also SAFE in Saskatoon

Also SAFE in Saskatoon — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:59:02 +0000

I’m agreeing with the comment of March 7th, by ‘Safe in Saskatoon’:

“These stats are very misleading, not to mention out of date…. cities are made up of neighbourhoods/districts which vary in demographics. Each neighbourhood can have drastically different stats than the city as a whole.

According to the Saskatoon Police website, almost 50% of offences that occured in Saskatoon occured in a district of the city that only has 16% of the population. So, while there is a serious problem in this inner city area, it is ridiculous to label the entire city “dangerous”.”

In the vast majority of the city, I feel perfectly safe to walk/jog/run in the dark hours of early morning or evening, my children walk to school without being bothered, and I do not live in fear of aggravated assault and robbery, homicide or sexual assault, B & E’s, or vehicle theft. I take reasonable precautions as everyone should regardless of what city they live in, and have a fabulous quality of life here.

For most of us, our biggest concern right about now (with spring hopefully on the way) is potholes…

…well, and wondering what to do about all the stupid people in the world who manipulate data in such an irresponsible way.

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:58:30 +0000

The Greater Toronto Area (locally abbreviated as the GTA) is the most populous metropolitan area in Canada. The GTA is a provincial planning area with a population of 5,555,912 at the 2006 Canadian Census.

The Toronto Census Metropolitan Area (CMA) defined by Statistics Canada is 17% smaller in land area than the GTA planning area and had a population of 5,113,149 in the same 2006 census, this difference is primarily due to the inclusion of the Oshawa CMA and the city of Burlington into the GTA, but which are not included with the Toronto CMA.

In 2006:
Toronto
CMS – 5,113,149
GTA – 5,555,912

In 2007
Toronto
GTA – 5,914,191

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:40:42 +0000

5.5 Million? No, It’s was 4 years ago in 2005.

GTA already hit over 6 Million Population by 2008-2009 because

Macleans did said Population in 2007:
Toronto – 2,651,717
Regional Municipality of Peel – 1,222,639
Regional Municipality of York – 975,501
Regional Municipality of Durham – 595,354
Regional Municipality of Halton – 468,980
Total = 5,914,191

By: dboy

dboy — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:38:25 +0000

I’m not going to let some little gang-banger punk rob me or hurt my wife. I pay taxes, it’s MY city. not theirs. Gang members need to be exterminated with extreme prejudice.

By: BMW

BMW — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:59:55 +0000

This story is bullshit, and misleading. Moreover, I am worried that this article will provide ammunition for the current Government to “beef” up laws, and use this misleading, elementary level analysis to scare the crap out of Canadians and turn this country into a police state. Look at how Macleans has used population statistics. People, generally, identify themseleves as living in a city or area. Macleans has used suburb population counts for suburban police forces. Crime doesnt stop at a red light, or a bridge, or a small babbling creek underneath the highway. I challenge Macleans to re-do this story, but this time, use the census metro areas and we’ll see how different the rankings come out:

Victoria – 330,000
Vancouver – 2,116,581
Calgary – 1,079,310
Edmonton – 1,034,945
Saskatoon – 233,923
Regina – 194,971
Winnipeg – 694,668
Toronto – 5,113,149
Ottawa – 1,130,761
Montreal – 3,635,571
Halifax – 372,858
St. Johns – 100,646

Source: Statistics Canada – sorry if I left out the smaller cities.

By: Priscila K.M.H

Priscila K.M.H — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:18:19 +0000

I would like to add something to what I wrote. I said that just to you have some ideas that the violence here in Canada is not too bad if you compare with 3.o World countries.
But of course I’m not happy to know that Winnipeg is the second place at this violence’s ranking. Looking from Canadian’s standard about criminality I believe that something should be done by the government to change that situation , because we don’t want that one day, this city turns in something like Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro. Right?

By: Priscila K.M.H

Priscila K.M.H — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:16:51 +0000

I got this new this week , and I would like to comment it, because it matchs with The Most Dangerous Cities in Canada: Overall crime score—by rank
2009 Maclean’s National Crime Rankings

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TORONTO – Saskatoon is the most dangerous city in Canada and Caledon, Ont., is the safest, according to the latest survey by Maclean’s magazine.

This is the second year the magazine has put out the lists and the second year in a row Caledon, northwest of Toronto, has topped the safest areas list.

Saskatoon is followed on the most dangerous list by Winnipeg, Regina, Prince George, B.C., and Edmonton.

Caledon is followed by Oromocto, N.B., Levis, Que., Maskoutains MRC, Que., which includes Saint-Hyacinthe, and Halton Region west of Toronto.

As for Canada’s two largest cities, Toronto ranked 29th out of 100 cities, compared to 26th last year, and Montreal ranked 24th compared to 19th on the high crime list.

Maclean’s says it based its rankings on 2007 per-capita crime rates, the most recent available from the Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics.

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What means that, really?

It means that If I where living in that city Caledon, northwest of Toronto, I should think about to do not lock my house door, my car’s door at all???? Why even thinking about keys…

Should I forget just one night per week to close my house’s door in Winnipeg and never thinking about to close in Caledon?

Instead to walk in the streets in Winnipeg, at night, on summer time around 1:00 am…and not being afraid of it…. (Not on the Main Street….aboriginal site, I know…) but at Caledon I can walk at the street, completely nude at 4:00 am, by myself? (Well, not that I would like to do that, just an example…) What will happen is that the girl would not be rape but instead the police would take her for a psychiatry hospital for that night…

Do you know that in Brazil they advice you to do not use skirts at street, not show you skin very much otherwise if you get raped could be your fault! Because you‘re the one who attracted these bad guys….Serious ?? yeahhh… I read some reports, not just one but many of police and judges saying that for the women who was raped. That happens in Rio, Sao Paulo and Bahia….

I think it’s because we came from a huge city like SP, Brazil, where you don’t know if you can pick up cash at the bank at noon or 4:00 pm, or even walking around being afraid to be kidnapping …As a Brazilian we Lock everything at any minute and check my times to see if we really locked…almost a schizophrenic reaction and we will be sure we get alarms + insurances, life insurance …..

And the best would be going anywhere with a bullet proof car….if you‘re rich and you can afford that, but you should wish not being so millionaire that the bad guys would use a rocket lancer from the Paraguay’s army to take you from the Car, and kidnapping you for months, years …and also this creativity has been used for bank robbery too …. Even In small towns…. With less than 100.000 habitants.

Well, in the end of the day…..if you have an AAA alarms company, you know you can come to Winnipeg and forget about Caledon!!!! Alarm‘s security? Any body knows there what is alarm for?

My dear Canadian friends (who born here, not us immigrants that came all around the world with these kind of reality) …

you really have no idea what is being in a very criminal city. Good for you, good for us…bad for our family and our lovely friends that live that reality every day and are so used to it that they think is quite normal, life’s like that….

Brazil …..with all the beauty we have there …go search at net for pictures from “Chapada dos Veadeiros, Chapada diamantina, Angra dos Reis, Natal, Fernando de Noronha, Amazonia ” imagine this country without violence, criminality and corruption would be a country that everybody… would enjoy living there! it’s Paradise!

…..I agree that there are many amazing parts of Brazil and being a Brazilian …People are sweet , happy somehow and always keep trying…..

But, sorry…I’m here living In the 2.o most violent city of Canada!!

By: Titu

Titu — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:39:48 +0000

@TORONTO4LIFE, Canadian cities have more criminality than similar European cities, we like to compare to US because it makes feel us good but compared to the rest of the world (war zones excluded) we are at the bottom of the list.

By: Nope

Nope — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:35:46 +0000

No way! Forget “feeling,” Aside from the North end (Gottingen-and you do say most streets) I walked all over Halifax at all h ours of the night and never once had a problem for the last year, whereas now in Toronto I just wouldn’t do that. I am talking high risk situations (late at nights, at bars etc) and on Spring Garden Road at all hours and saw nothing. Halifax’s crime must be highly concentrated in that bad strip north of the downtown.

By: Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

Andrew (not Potter or Coyne) — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:22:41 +0000

People are amazing. Empirical evidence is powerless before anecdotes. Crime rates must be wrong because you watch the evening news and someone gets stabbed every night, ergo, the city is very dangerous and growing moreso. Nevermind that violent crime is at a 30 year low.

By: Chad

Chad — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:31:57 +0000

Do you knoe that for sure?:)

By: TORONTO4LIFE

TORONTO4LIFE — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:28:36 +0000

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THESE RESULTS! TORONTO IS A EXTREMELY SAFE CITY FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WE HAVE HERE COMPARE US TO ANY CITY IN THE WORLD WITH SIMILAR POPULATION AND WE WOULD SURE TO RANK AS VERY SAFE! ALSO TORONTO IS ONLY DANGEROUS TO A SELECT GROUP OF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF (POOR YOUNG MINORITIES) 1-2 “INNOCENT” MIDDLE-HIGH INCOME DEATHS A YEAR IS RELATIVELY SAFE CONSIDERING OUR POPULATION IS NOT CAUSE FOR THE ARMY GETTING STRUCK BY LIGHTNING SEEMS MORE PLAUSIBLE THAN GETTING GET HERE SO PLEASE TO YOU CITY-TV VIEWERS AND TORONTO SUN READERS STOP BOMBARDING MY SAFE CITY WITH SUPPOSED DANGERS YOU DON’T FACE EVER AND GO ASK A PERSON IN DETROIT OR EVEN WINNIPEG( BOTH A LOT LESS POPULATION THAN US) ABOUT THE DAILY DANGERS THEY DEAL WITH ! ALSO THIS IS COMING FROM A PERSON WHO HAS LOST 5 FRIENDS IN THE PAST 2 YEARS AND FEEL VERY SAFE IN MY CITY LIVING IN THE “NOTORIOUS” REGENT PARK AREA!!

By: Kyle Bailey

Kyle Bailey — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:17:35 +0000

hehehehe…..My dad and neighbors once literally followed footsteps to the criminals lair of stolen stuff after a breakin.

By: Kyle Bailey

Kyle Bailey — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:16:21 +0000

So statscan is lying to us eh?
Got any more interesting conspiracy theories?

By: Jane

Jane — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:37:58 +0000

These stats are absolutely garbage. There is no way these stats are true. This should not be posted unless it is correct.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:57:29 +0000

I have to agrree that the Native population In every province in Canada really need to get their acts together and quickly. They are already behind in every demographic but they are in serious danger of being left totally behind. The reserve system is a failure, the three kids and you get a house on the reserve ( at least in Wabasca Ab.) is nuts! They need to integrate and fast… On the flip side however it was definitely not natives who stole $750.00 in giftcards from me and stole my neighbours car and went to Whistler to snowboard. Rumour has it it is the same cops kid who recently vandalized our elementary school that has been preying on some of us here in Kamloops.