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	<title>Comments on: ‘Facts.’ Such a quaint notion now.</title>
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		<title>By: R. Burridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Burridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear that the world is heading back to 1939 for the sake of political correctness. Whatever happened to the understanding of... &quot;those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it&quot;? Respectful of each other and history sure, but true history should be told popular or not. Do not censor history!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that the world is heading back to 1939 for the sake of political correctness. Whatever happened to the understanding of&#8230; &#8220;those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it&#8221;? Respectful of each other and history sure, but true history should be told popular or not. Do not censor history!</p>
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		<title>By: h.nz</title>
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		<dc:creator>h.nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember having learned that the battle occured. Later, having actually read a canadian history text just for the fun of it, I realized that this action occurred before the American revolution. According to the text, the wars that happened caused such a financial strain on England, that they had to raise taxes, everywhere but Quebec, or they may have revolted. This did inspire America to revolt. But Quebec was placated. The greater, global, environment that all this occured in was the seven years war in Europe (I freely admit I have a euro-centric education)  Quebec, or Canada, was really not more than a &quot;few acres of snow&quot;, a small pawn in the world scheme. Similarly, a minor ally of England at the time was the small state of Prussia, who held out for the full length of time against the massive Austro-Hungarian empire, until the English had properly walloped France, the Austrians&#039; ally. At which time everyone got down to peace again. At that time, 1765 or so?, Canada became a part of the English domain. My personal pride comes from most of Canada&#039;s battles being won by &#039;farm boys&#039; be it to repulse the Finians, the aggressors in the war of 1812,  ww1, ww2, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember having learned that the battle occured. Later, having actually read a canadian history text just for the fun of it, I realized that this action occurred before the American revolution. According to the text, the wars that happened caused such a financial strain on England, that they had to raise taxes, everywhere but Quebec, or they may have revolted. This did inspire America to revolt. But Quebec was placated. The greater, global, environment that all this occured in was the seven years war in Europe (I freely admit I have a euro-centric education)  Quebec, or Canada, was really not more than a &#8220;few acres of snow&#8221;, a small pawn in the world scheme. Similarly, a minor ally of England at the time was the small state of Prussia, who held out for the full length of time against the massive Austro-Hungarian empire, until the English had properly walloped France, the Austrians&#8217; ally. At which time everyone got down to peace again. At that time, 1765 or so?, Canada became a part of the English domain. My personal pride comes from most of Canada&#8217;s battles being won by &#8216;farm boys&#8217; be it to repulse the Finians, the aggressors in the war of 1812,  ww1, ww2, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: C Connolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Connolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the article The silence of the Canadian lamds and I must say to you Mr. Steyn bravo.  More people should be talking about all the loosers on that bus who choose to run off the bus with their tails between their legs like the dogs that they all are.  From that day forward every Canadian should be a little ashamed.  There were definatly no heoroes that day just 3 dozen loosers who I hope hear the screams of Tim McLean for the rest of their lives.  The bus company should be suing the passengers for being total cowards.   Shame on you shame on you passengers of bus 1170.  3 dozen people couldn&#039;t have taken down one man and at least gave Tim a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the article The silence of the Canadian lamds and I must say to you Mr. Steyn bravo.  More people should be talking about all the loosers on that bus who choose to run off the bus with their tails between their legs like the dogs that they all are.  From that day forward every Canadian should be a little ashamed.  There were definatly no heoroes that day just 3 dozen loosers who I hope hear the screams of Tim McLean for the rest of their lives.  The bus company should be suing the passengers for being total cowards.   Shame on you shame on you passengers of bus 1170.  3 dozen people couldn&#8217;t have taken down one man and at least gave Tim a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Corrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am completely disgusted at the way this country has ethnically cleansed the British identity and history from this country.  Immigration policy has mainly done this and this reminds me about how we are rewriting the history of BC. Asian history here is exagerated as the large new immigrant population dominates  the British identity and history that was the huge majority before the 1990&#039;s.

The US had a bloody civil war which they reenact not to &quot;celebrate&quot; but to commemorate their history.  You can go to Quebec City in the summer and see the British regiment that fought on the Plains of Abraham marching through the streets as a point of interest for tourists and no on minds that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am completely disgusted at the way this country has ethnically cleansed the British identity and history from this country.  Immigration policy has mainly done this and this reminds me about how we are rewriting the history of BC. Asian history here is exagerated as the large new immigrant population dominates  the British identity and history that was the huge majority before the 1990&#8242;s.</p>
<p>The US had a bloody civil war which they reenact not to &#8220;celebrate&#8221; but to commemorate their history.  You can go to Quebec City in the summer and see the British regiment that fought on the Plains of Abraham marching through the streets as a point of interest for tourists and no on minds that!</p>
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		<title>By: ‘Facts.’ Such a quaint notion now. &#171; Blue Leaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>‘Facts.’ Such a quaint notion now. &#171; Blue Leaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aussies would have a simple comment on Steyn. Bloody pommie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aussies would have a simple comment on Steyn. Bloody pommie</p>
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		<title>By: Peter the Australian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter the Australian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever heard of the french &#039;youths&#039; burning hundreds of cars a night all over Fance.  Of course those youths are all Muslims.

The French are dirigiste idiots whose culture has now collapsed under the weight of its own flatulence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever heard of the french &#8216;youths&#8217; burning hundreds of cars a night all over Fance.  Of course those youths are all Muslims.</p>
<p>The French are dirigiste idiots whose culture has now collapsed under the weight of its own flatulence.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the chances of being allowed to discuss the quebec Zombies of the Second World War?
I always found it a bit odd that they refused to fight for the liberation of France because that was &#039;an English war&#039;.
They had no problem watching others go and die in their places.

That&#039;s another story that has been whitewashed from our past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the chances of being allowed to discuss the quebec Zombies of the Second World War?<br />
I always found it a bit odd that they refused to fight for the liberation of France because that was &#8216;an English war&#8217;.<br />
They had no problem watching others go and die in their places.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s another story that has been whitewashed from our past.</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fulford did say it (you can google it).  I&#039;m sure he meant it as a backhanded compliment, given that he and Steyn are friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fulford did say it (you can google it).  I&#8217;m sure he meant it as a backhanded compliment, given that he and Steyn are friends.</p>
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		<title>By: tdotTim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdotTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Robert Fulford, great writer. Not as readable as Steyn but nonetheless, if he indeed said what you attribute to him , then it would be the dumbest thing I&#039;ve ever seen him say in print. Steyn has a fan base that is almost unheard of for any writer these days...and for good reason.

You would be hard pressed to tell all those people (who, of course, would have to be included in &#039;everyone&#039;)  that it is a &quot;fact&quot; that what they are reading is violating their sense of good taste.

And if the multi-culti free speech haters want to imagine that it&#039;s nothing but old white men reading Steyn, they might want to check out some of his college speeches that are packed to the rafters, with students watching on the monitors in the hallway because they couldn&#039;t get a seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Robert Fulford, great writer. Not as readable as Steyn but nonetheless, if he indeed said what you attribute to him , then it would be the dumbest thing I&#8217;ve ever seen him say in print. Steyn has a fan base that is almost unheard of for any writer these days&#8230;and for good reason.</p>
<p>You would be hard pressed to tell all those people (who, of course, would have to be included in &#8216;everyone&#8217;)  that it is a &#8220;fact&#8221; that what they are reading is violating their sense of good taste.</p>
<p>And if the multi-culti free speech haters want to imagine that it&#8217;s nothing but old white men reading Steyn, they might want to check out some of his college speeches that are packed to the rafters, with students watching on the monitors in the hallway because they couldn&#8217;t get a seat.</p>
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		<title>By: tdotTim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdotTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, thank you for attempting to make the term &quot;free-speechers&quot; a pejorative. Tells me all I need to know about you in one sentence. J@ackass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, thank you for attempting to make the term &#8220;free-speechers&#8221; a pejorative. Tells me all I need to know about you in one sentence. J@ackass.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaunilon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaunilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;truth&quot; or &quot;the facts&quot; are exactly what Steyn is advocating.  The fact is that there was a major battle, and the French had their collective derierres kicked.  Even they do not deny this.  Yet they do not want it reenacted, not because it is untrue, but because it is unpleasant.  They are not arguing about whether particular details are correct, but about whether the battle should be reenacted at all.  The revisionists would have us forget that such a battle ever took place.

Life is tough.  History is worth learning and reenacting even when it is unpleasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;truth&#8221; or &#8220;the facts&#8221; are exactly what Steyn is advocating.  The fact is that there was a major battle, and the French had their collective derierres kicked.  Even they do not deny this.  Yet they do not want it reenacted, not because it is untrue, but because it is unpleasant.  They are not arguing about whether particular details are correct, but about whether the battle should be reenacted at all.  The revisionists would have us forget that such a battle ever took place.</p>
<p>Life is tough.  History is worth learning and reenacting even when it is unpleasant.</p>
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		<title>By: J@ck M!tchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>J@ck M!tchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sf, I wasn&#039;t offering it as my opinion that Steyn fans are fanatics, I was simply stating what I took to be an &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; truth.  I wasn&#039;t aware that anyone disagreed with that, but if you glance at the comments to his last few columns you&#039;ll see what I mean.  &lt;i&gt;You&lt;/i&gt; may not be a card-carrying fanatic, but it&#039;s just absurd to compare Steyn&#039;s fanbase with Kady O&#039;Malley&#039;s or Paul Wells&#039;.  It&#039;s more like Leonard Nimoy&#039;s, minus the worship of logic.
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I wasn&#039;t saying anything about this article beyond the fact that Steyn was 125% wrong about Nelson at the Battle of Copenhagen.  He was wrong about the battle, he was wrong about the details, and he was wrong about the implication that Nelson would ever shirk battle.  It&#039;s staggering that somebody could be that wrong in one paragraph, &lt;i&gt;in the course of an article denouncing our ignorance of history&lt;/i&gt;.  He is wrong in the big things, the little things, and the in-between things.  He is 125% wrong.
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You&#039;re blaming me for not feuding with everybody, only with you?  I&#039;m not trying to be clever, just to keep up with the standard of wit around here, which is high.  So I like coming up with funny lines every now and then, who doesn&#039;t?
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Finally: I&#039;m afraid that &quot;bigot&quot; is not an epithet, it&#039;s a noun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sf, I wasn&#8217;t offering it as my opinion that Steyn fans are fanatics, I was simply stating what I took to be an <i>a priori</i> truth.  I wasn&#8217;t aware that anyone disagreed with that, but if you glance at the comments to his last few columns you&#8217;ll see what I mean.  <i>You</i> may not be a card-carrying fanatic, but it&#8217;s just absurd to compare Steyn&#8217;s fanbase with Kady O&#8217;Malley&#8217;s or Paul Wells&#8217;.  It&#8217;s more like Leonard Nimoy&#8217;s, minus the worship of logic.<br />
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I wasn&#8217;t saying anything about this article beyond the fact that Steyn was 125% wrong about Nelson at the Battle of Copenhagen.  He was wrong about the battle, he was wrong about the details, and he was wrong about the implication that Nelson would ever shirk battle.  It&#8217;s staggering that somebody could be that wrong in one paragraph, <i>in the course of an article denouncing our ignorance of history</i>.  He is wrong in the big things, the little things, and the in-between things.  He is 125% wrong.<br />
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You&#8217;re blaming me for not feuding with everybody, only with you?  I&#8217;m not trying to be clever, just to keep up with the standard of wit around here, which is high.  So I like coming up with funny lines every now and then, who doesn&#8217;t?<br />
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Finally: I&#8217;m afraid that &#8220;bigot&#8221; is not an epithet, it&#8217;s a noun.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, no problem.  I&#039;m having the same problems.  I ended up with two identical posts above because the first one took 5 minutes to show up, while some others never show up at all.  Yes, I agree, best to live to fight another day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, no problem.  I&#8217;m having the same problems.  I ended up with two identical posts above because the first one took 5 minutes to show up, while some others never show up at all.  Yes, I agree, best to live to fight another day.</p>
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		<title>By: J@ck M!tchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>J@ck M!tchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried replying to this post with a long, cordial screed but for some reason it&#039;s not taking.  Sorry I wrongly accused you of informing on me to the moderation queue.  I guess we live to fight another day.</description>
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		<title>By: J@ck Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>J@ck Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always honest, sf; but with Steyn I can&#039;t resist being facetious.  Why should one repay Steyn&#039;s tendentiousness with ingenuousness?  If there&#039;s one writer in the world who doesn&#039;t deserve an even break, it&#039;s Steyn.
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Nevertheless, in the spirit of respectful civility, here&#039;s an example of Steyn&#039;s indifference to truth:
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;Michael Ignatieff displayed the characteristically bold leadership we’ve come to associate with him since he momentarily wandered off the Liberal reservation and accidentally supported the Iraq war. The leader of the Opposition declared that he wasn’t saying he was for or against the re-enactment per se but that any commemoration of this “defeat and tragedy” ought to be respectful. You remember Lord Nelson at Trafalgar? He put the telescope over his eye patch and said “I see no ships.” That’s Iggy. He put a patch over both eyes, swivelled in all directions, and declared, “I see no re-enactment, but if it’s out there I hope it’s sober and dignified.”&lt;/i&gt;
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Here goes:
1.  Nelson didn&#039;t pull this stunt at Trafalgar, it was the Battle of Copenhagen.
2.  He didn&#039;t say &quot;I see no ships,&quot; he said &quot;I really do not see the signal.&quot;
3.  Steyn, bless his heart, is implying that Nelson&#039;s gesture was some kind of evasion of his duty (!!): Iggy just one-upped him.  Otherwise the whole reference to &lt;del&gt;Trafalgar&lt;/del&gt; Copenhagen makes no sense at all.  How anyone on earth could think that Lord Nelson would shirk engaging the enemy is beyond me -- no, I guess if you don&#039;t actually know anything about Nelson and yet you want to pretend you&#039;re the upholder of Grand British Tradition, you can just make stuff up.  Anyway, Nelson never shirked a battle in his life, quite the opposite, as at Copenhagen: his admiral felt obliged to order Nelson&#039;s squadron to retire, and Nelson deliberately didn&#039;t take the easy way out, he roared in and won the battle.
4.  Iggy was not denying that the reenactment controversy was taking place, he was merely articulating the only sane view of the controversy from an anglo POV: it&#039;s not up to us to decide how Quebec commemorates the battle, but whatever happens should be respectful of Quebec&#039;s feelings.  What else?  March in under armed guard and hold a reenactment in defiance of virtually the whole of French Canadian public opinion?  Is that seriously what Steyn wants?  No no, he doesn&#039;t want anything in particular, he just wants to needle his enemies with absurdities, playing to his fan club of Steynettes; &quot;Let&#039;s see, how can we wrap up our petty little disgruntlements this week?  How can I &#039;tell it like it is&#039; with &lt;i&gt;today&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; headlines?  How can I bang the big drum again while making it sound new?&quot;  &lt;i&gt;There is no point&lt;/i&gt; to a Steyn column.  It has as much to do with rational argument as porn0graphy has to do with procreation.

Sorry I singled you out as the one who informed on me to the moderation queue.  I guess it was somebody else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always honest, sf; but with Steyn I can&#8217;t resist being facetious.  Why should one repay Steyn&#8217;s tendentiousness with ingenuousness?  If there&#8217;s one writer in the world who doesn&#8217;t deserve an even break, it&#8217;s Steyn.<br />
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Nevertheless, in the spirit of respectful civility, here&#8217;s an example of Steyn&#8217;s indifference to truth:<br />
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<i>&#8220;Michael Ignatieff displayed the characteristically bold leadership we’ve come to associate with him since he momentarily wandered off the Liberal reservation and accidentally supported the Iraq war. The leader of the Opposition declared that he wasn’t saying he was for or against the re-enactment per se but that any commemoration of this “defeat and tragedy” ought to be respectful. You remember Lord Nelson at Trafalgar? He put the telescope over his eye patch and said “I see no ships.” That’s Iggy. He put a patch over both eyes, swivelled in all directions, and declared, “I see no re-enactment, but if it’s out there I hope it’s sober and dignified.”</i><br />
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Here goes:<br />
1.  Nelson didn&#8217;t pull this stunt at Trafalgar, it was the Battle of Copenhagen.<br />
2.  He didn&#8217;t say &#8220;I see no ships,&#8221; he said &#8220;I really do not see the signal.&#8221;<br />
3.  Steyn, bless his heart, is implying that Nelson&#8217;s gesture was some kind of evasion of his duty (!!): Iggy just one-upped him.  Otherwise the whole reference to <del>Trafalgar</del> Copenhagen makes no sense at all.  How anyone on earth could think that Lord Nelson would shirk engaging the enemy is beyond me &#8212; no, I guess if you don&#8217;t actually know anything about Nelson and yet you want to pretend you&#8217;re the upholder of Grand British Tradition, you can just make stuff up.  Anyway, Nelson never shirked a battle in his life, quite the opposite, as at Copenhagen: his admiral felt obliged to order Nelson&#8217;s squadron to retire, and Nelson deliberately didn&#8217;t take the easy way out, he roared in and won the battle.<br />
4.  Iggy was not denying that the reenactment controversy was taking place, he was merely articulating the only sane view of the controversy from an anglo POV: it&#8217;s not up to us to decide how Quebec commemorates the battle, but whatever happens should be respectful of Quebec&#8217;s feelings.  What else?  March in under armed guard and hold a reenactment in defiance of virtually the whole of French Canadian public opinion?  Is that seriously what Steyn wants?  No no, he doesn&#8217;t want anything in particular, he just wants to needle his enemies with absurdities, playing to his fan club of Steynettes; &#8220;Let&#8217;s see, how can we wrap up our petty little disgruntlements this week?  How can I &#8216;tell it like it is&#8217; with <i>today&#8217;s</i> headlines?  How can I bang the big drum again while making it sound new?&#8221;  <i>There is no point</i> to a Steyn column.  It has as much to do with rational argument as porn0graphy has to do with procreation.</p>
<p>Sorry I singled you out as the one who informed on me to the moderation queue.  I guess it was somebody else.</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it&#039;s the &quot;ambiguous pronoun&quot; comeback.</description>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like we&#039;re lab rats trying to figure out a new maze.</description>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf - it&#039;s still there!</description>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am skeptical that by simply hitting &quot;report abuse&quot; a person&quot;s entry disappears completely. So on this entry: sf says:
Mar 13, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I will try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am skeptical that by simply hitting &#8220;report abuse&#8221; a person&#8221;s entry disappears completely. So on this entry: sf says:<br />
Mar 13, 2009 at 10:57 pm<br />
I will try.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC: Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, it&#039;s just endearing (lovely word) that somehow you have formulated the theory that perhaps many of the so called defenders of free speech are in fact the very first ones to hit the button.

I would claim the opposite in fact.  But what&#039;s the point?  Neither of us have the slightest idea who pushes these buttons except for the rare circumstance when Paul Wells annihilates all posts from a particular individual.

And you people have the whole concept backwards!!!

Steyn and Ken Whyte went to court because they wanted to defend their right to put whatever they like in their own magazine, which would include deleting whatever you write if that is what they want, whatever Jack writes, and whatever I write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC: Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, it&#8217;s just endearing (lovely word) that somehow you have formulated the theory that perhaps many of the so called defenders of free speech are in fact the very first ones to hit the button.</p>
<p>I would claim the opposite in fact.  But what&#8217;s the point?  Neither of us have the slightest idea who pushes these buttons except for the rare circumstance when Paul Wells annihilates all posts from a particular individual.</p>
<p>And you people have the whole concept backwards!!!</p>
<p>Steyn and Ken Whyte went to court because they wanted to defend their right to put whatever they like in their own magazine, which would include deleting whatever you write if that is what they want, whatever Jack writes, and whatever I write.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC: Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, it&#039;s just endearing (lovely word) that somehow you have formulated the theory that perhaps many of the so called defenders of free speech are in fact the very first ones to hit the button.

I would claim the opposite in fact.  But what&#039;s the point?  Neither of us have the slightest idea who pushes these buttons except for the rare circumstance when Paul Wells annihilates all posts from a particular individual.

And you people have the whole concept backwards.  Steyn and Ken Whyte went to court because they wanted to defent their right to put whatever they like in their own magazine, which would include deleting whatever you write if that is what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC: Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, it&#8217;s just endearing (lovely word) that somehow you have formulated the theory that perhaps many of the so called defenders of free speech are in fact the very first ones to hit the button.</p>
<p>I would claim the opposite in fact.  But what&#8217;s the point?  Neither of us have the slightest idea who pushes these buttons except for the rare circumstance when Paul Wells annihilates all posts from a particular individual.</p>
<p>And you people have the whole concept backwards.  Steyn and Ken Whyte went to court because they wanted to defent their right to put whatever they like in their own magazine, which would include deleting whatever you write if that is what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s clear you don&#039;t like Steyn, and there are journalists I do not like.  But when you call people &quot;fanatics&quot;, and when you start insulting the journalists, you are crossing a boundary that should not be crossed, it belies your inability to stick to the arguments.

And then you write something you think is clever but is usually completely irrelevant to the debate at hand, for no particular reason whatsoever.  You are the king of straw men arguments.

Case in point:  your post was deleted because you insulted the journalist with a nasty epithet.  Now, I&#039;m sure the result would be the same on most blogs, whether it be Wells or O&#039;Malley or Potter, if you did the same and called someone else a b***t your comment would be deleted, probably by someone at Maclean&#039;s.

Now you have attempted to twist this very simple fact into some kind of competely irrelevant tangent involving free speech and Mark Steyn fans.

Whatever.

You see, this is why I get your goat, because what I just said makes sense and you feel the strongest urget to rebut such a coherent argument.  You don&#039;t like it when people don&#039;t fawn over your sophisticated diatribes.

Steyn has more fans than the rest of the journalists combined, although Coyne and Wells have a lot of fans too, and O&#039;Malley may be getting more and more popular, for all I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear you don&#8217;t like Steyn, and there are journalists I do not like.  But when you call people &#8220;fanatics&#8221;, and when you start insulting the journalists, you are crossing a boundary that should not be crossed, it belies your inability to stick to the arguments.</p>
<p>And then you write something you think is clever but is usually completely irrelevant to the debate at hand, for no particular reason whatsoever.  You are the king of straw men arguments.</p>
<p>Case in point:  your post was deleted because you insulted the journalist with a nasty epithet.  Now, I&#8217;m sure the result would be the same on most blogs, whether it be Wells or O&#8217;Malley or Potter, if you did the same and called someone else a b***t your comment would be deleted, probably by someone at Maclean&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Now you have attempted to twist this very simple fact into some kind of competely irrelevant tangent involving free speech and Mark Steyn fans.</p>
<p>Whatever.</p>
<p>You see, this is why I get your goat, because what I just said makes sense and you feel the strongest urget to rebut such a coherent argument.  You don&#8217;t like it when people don&#8217;t fawn over your sophisticated diatribes.</p>
<p>Steyn has more fans than the rest of the journalists combined, although Coyne and Wells have a lot of fans too, and O&#8217;Malley may be getting more and more popular, for all I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/12/%e2%80%98facts%e2%80%99-such-a-quaint-notion-now/comment-page-1/#comment-95566</link>
		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A classic but rarely seen manoeuvre: the &quot;indefinite pronoun&quot; comeback.  :)</description>
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		<title>By: J@ck Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/12/%e2%80%98facts%e2%80%99-such-a-quaint-notion-now/comment-page-1/#comment-95565</link>
		<dc:creator>J@ck Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never called Steyn a bint; and just because he&#039;s incapable of formulating a coherent, logical argument is no reason to dump on the man.  Thanks for the &quot;ace&quot; label, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never called Steyn a bint; and just because he&#8217;s incapable of formulating a coherent, logical argument is no reason to dump on the man.  Thanks for the &#8220;ace&#8221; label, though.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, your reasoning is lacking.  Why on earth would I reply to a post and then subsequently &quot;report abuse&quot;?  I did not touch that button.  And I&#039;ve had it out with you numerous times, yet here you claim I will not answer.  Why can&#039;t you be honest for once?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, your reasoning is lacking.  Why on earth would I reply to a post and then subsequently &#8220;report abuse&#8221;?  I did not touch that button.  And I&#8217;ve had it out with you numerous times, yet here you claim I will not answer.  Why can&#8217;t you be honest for once?</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack is an a** who called Steyn a b***t.  He is also incapable of formulating a coherent, logical argument.</description>
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		<title>By: random72</title>
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		<dc:creator>random72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attacking Steyn for his headshot when you&#039;re using a gopher/squirrel/dog/whatever for yours is a little pot calling the kettle black isn&#039;t it? Or are you a part squirrel? Bit of a reach there my friend.

As for your other remarks, I know you haters love to accuse him of every offense under the sun, but I think he was pretty on-topic- obviously you don&#039;t agree with the substance of what he was saying, which is fine (doesn&#039;t matter to me, or likely to Steyn), but I find the accusation a little weird. I had no trouble seeing the main threads of his argument throughout the column and found it quite readable. He does like to dot his writing with little quips and wisecracks, but anyone familiar with his books and columns knows this is his style. He has remained remarkably consist in that regard and, in my view, it&#039;s what makes his stuff an enjoyable read. He has a sense of humour and it shows. Of course, to his detractors (generally, a bit of an uptight, humourless bunch) wouldn&#039;t agree- there too busy taking offense and calling him names.

I also don&#039;t really see where you get the &#039;unsubstantiated&#039; accusation either. He listed clear examples of some school traditions in Europe that we&#039;re being altered or eliminated. I suspect Maclean&#039;s would have trouble publishing outright lies in one of its columns, so unless you have other information, I&#039;ll take Steyn at his word. Not sure where the Muslim smears are either. I do recall him mentioning that some school districts in England were becoming more Muslim in terms of the demographics, which from what I&#039;ve read is actually true. Is mentioning Muslims in a column considered a &#039;shot&#039; in your book? Guess so.

Again, I enjoy his writing- generally- and I think he has a point about certain aspects about the changing nature of many Western societies. In America Alone, his most recent book, he actually draws on many verifiable sources of information to buttress his arguments with. Now, I can accept some may not agree with the inferences and conclusions he draws about all of these statistics, but there are some which are hard to dispute. Not sure if you&#039;ve read the book or not, but it is an interesting read. It might also change your position that he doesn&#039;t think about what he&#039;s saying. I think his writing actually provides ample proof that he&#039;s done plenty of thinking about his subjects.

I mean, I could say on the Star website that I think Linda McQuaig and David Olive aren&#039;t really thinkers either because they produce reams of copy (McQuaig especially) that is littered with wisecracks, insults and cheapshots that are almost always directed at the same targets. Do we really need another rant against the US or corporate CEOs? Talk about a broken record. She&#039;s been recycling the same rants for years, and while she tends to be wrong frequently, it doesn&#039;t bother me much at all. I actually make a point of reading her stuff on a regular basis- usually when I need a diversion from reality. I wouldn&#039;t say they aren&#039;t thinkers though (McQuaig is actually quite thoughtful in person), their thoughts just tend to lead them to the wrong conclusions, in my view.

Something to think about, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attacking Steyn for his headshot when you&#8217;re using a gopher/squirrel/dog/whatever for yours is a little pot calling the kettle black isn&#8217;t it? Or are you a part squirrel? Bit of a reach there my friend.</p>
<p>As for your other remarks, I know you haters love to accuse him of every offense under the sun, but I think he was pretty on-topic- obviously you don&#8217;t agree with the substance of what he was saying, which is fine (doesn&#8217;t matter to me, or likely to Steyn), but I find the accusation a little weird. I had no trouble seeing the main threads of his argument throughout the column and found it quite readable. He does like to dot his writing with little quips and wisecracks, but anyone familiar with his books and columns knows this is his style. He has remained remarkably consist in that regard and, in my view, it&#8217;s what makes his stuff an enjoyable read. He has a sense of humour and it shows. Of course, to his detractors (generally, a bit of an uptight, humourless bunch) wouldn&#8217;t agree- there too busy taking offense and calling him names.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t really see where you get the &#8216;unsubstantiated&#8217; accusation either. He listed clear examples of some school traditions in Europe that we&#8217;re being altered or eliminated. I suspect Maclean&#8217;s would have trouble publishing outright lies in one of its columns, so unless you have other information, I&#8217;ll take Steyn at his word. Not sure where the Muslim smears are either. I do recall him mentioning that some school districts in England were becoming more Muslim in terms of the demographics, which from what I&#8217;ve read is actually true. Is mentioning Muslims in a column considered a &#8216;shot&#8217; in your book? Guess so.</p>
<p>Again, I enjoy his writing- generally- and I think he has a point about certain aspects about the changing nature of many Western societies. In America Alone, his most recent book, he actually draws on many verifiable sources of information to buttress his arguments with. Now, I can accept some may not agree with the inferences and conclusions he draws about all of these statistics, but there are some which are hard to dispute. Not sure if you&#8217;ve read the book or not, but it is an interesting read. It might also change your position that he doesn&#8217;t think about what he&#8217;s saying. I think his writing actually provides ample proof that he&#8217;s done plenty of thinking about his subjects.</p>
<p>I mean, I could say on the Star website that I think Linda McQuaig and David Olive aren&#8217;t really thinkers either because they produce reams of copy (McQuaig especially) that is littered with wisecracks, insults and cheapshots that are almost always directed at the same targets. Do we really need another rant against the US or corporate CEOs? Talk about a broken record. She&#8217;s been recycling the same rants for years, and while she tends to be wrong frequently, it doesn&#8217;t bother me much at all. I actually make a point of reading her stuff on a regular basis- usually when I need a diversion from reality. I wouldn&#8217;t say they aren&#8217;t thinkers though (McQuaig is actually quite thoughtful in person), their thoughts just tend to lead them to the wrong conclusions, in my view.</p>
<p>Something to think about, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: J@ck Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>J@ck Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the (far too) kind words, Jenn &amp; CR -- lots of brightness all around, lots of persuasion -- but I fear sf will soon rip me a new one on this thread.  Anyway, sorry for starting a meta-thread; I much prefer Jenn&#039;s excellent point about the need for Canadian history.  Total counterpoint to Steyn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the (far too) kind words, Jenn &amp; CR &#8212; lots of brightness all around, lots of persuasion &#8212; but I fear sf will soon rip me a new one on this thread.  Anyway, sorry for starting a meta-thread; I much prefer Jenn&#8217;s excellent point about the need for Canadian history.  Total counterpoint to Steyn!</p>
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		<title>By: glak from planet zork</title>
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		<dc:creator>glak from planet zork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>99% of the time, I&#039;m in the Steyn camp. This time, not so much. The orange parades in Belfast should be enough to discourage us from marching around bragging about battles fought centuries ago. Accurate history books yes, reinactments no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>99% of the time, I&#8217;m in the Steyn camp. This time, not so much. The orange parades in Belfast should be enough to discourage us from marching around bragging about battles fought centuries ago. Accurate history books yes, reinactments no.</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/12/%e2%80%98facts%e2%80%99-such-a-quaint-notion-now/comment-page-1/#comment-95559</link>
		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack&#039;s always up for a good discussion, if he finds the topic interesting.  He&#039;s a persuasive arguer, but he&#039;s also open to persuasion by others, which is refreshing.   Many commenters simply refuse to back down or change their minds on any issues, because they&#039;ve got it all figured out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack&#8217;s always up for a good discussion, if he finds the topic interesting.  He&#8217;s a persuasive arguer, but he&#8217;s also open to persuasion by others, which is refreshing.   Many commenters simply refuse to back down or change their minds on any issues, because they&#8217;ve got it all figured out.</p>
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		<title>By: J@ck Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>J@ck Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shouldn&#039;t have said anything, really, it&#039;s just that sf gets my goat as no one else can!  It&#039;s almost endearing.  Actually I&#039;m always impressed by how few comments get disappeared -- generally the &quot;Report Abuse&quot; button isn&#039;t abused, which is quite something given how heated things can get.
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But Steyn, as always, is an exception.  His followers are fanatics.  My guess is that no one would have noticed my post -- which wasn&#039;t exactly a work of art, I just pointed out that Steyn&#039;s facts were wrong about Nelson and threw in a variation on &quot;Kids these days!&quot; tailored to the subject -- if it hadn&#039;t happened to be the first comment posted.  Anyway, it&#039;s the fanaticism of Steyn &amp; the Steynettes that I can&#039;t stand -- the whole &quot;extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice&quot; line.  I suppose the fanatic&#039;s logic is that in the defense of principle no tactic is too unprincipled; Steyn is Free Speecher-in-Chief, so we must censor his critics; he ridicules our foes, therefore he must be kept free of ridicule.  In the end I fear it&#039;s mostly sad life experiences that drive people to Steyn -- a bad divorce, a fear of difference -- and really one should take a medical, not a combative, approach when dealing with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shouldn&#8217;t have said anything, really, it&#8217;s just that sf gets my goat as no one else can!  It&#8217;s almost endearing.  Actually I&#8217;m always impressed by how few comments get disappeared &#8212; generally the &#8220;Report Abuse&#8221; button isn&#8217;t abused, which is quite something given how heated things can get.<br />
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But Steyn, as always, is an exception.  His followers are fanatics.  My guess is that no one would have noticed my post &#8212; which wasn&#8217;t exactly a work of art, I just pointed out that Steyn&#8217;s facts were wrong about Nelson and threw in a variation on &#8220;Kids these days!&#8221; tailored to the subject &#8212; if it hadn&#8217;t happened to be the first comment posted.  Anyway, it&#8217;s the fanaticism of Steyn &amp; the Steynettes that I can&#8217;t stand &#8212; the whole &#8220;extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice&#8221; line.  I suppose the fanatic&#8217;s logic is that in the defense of principle no tactic is too unprincipled; Steyn is Free Speecher-in-Chief, so we must censor his critics; he ridicules our foes, therefore he must be kept free of ridicule.  In the end I fear it&#8217;s mostly sad life experiences that drive people to Steyn &#8212; a bad divorce, a fear of difference &#8212; and really one should take a medical, not a combative, approach when dealing with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I only hit the button when I see spam.  I suppose I would push the button if I noticed something grotesquely obscene, but I&#039;ve never noticed anything like that on these blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I only hit the button when I see spam.  I suppose I would push the button if I noticed something grotesquely obscene, but I&#8217;ve never noticed anything like that on these blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JM
I&#039;m curious myself to know if many of the so called defenders of free speech are in fact the very first ones to hit the button? Of course, if true that would rather upset Steyn&#039;s pre-packaged litte world - liberals being such fascists and cons the defenders d the good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM<br />
I&#8217;m curious myself to know if many of the so called defenders of free speech are in fact the very first ones to hit the button? Of course, if true that would rather upset Steyn&#8217;s pre-packaged litte world &#8211; liberals being such fascists and cons the defenders d the good!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where have you two been, sf and DT?  I think I can speak for most of the MacLean&#039;s regular posters (I can speak for me for sure) when I say Jack Mitchell is generally regarded as the brightest bulb of us all.  Many may disagree with his opinions, but not his smarts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where have you two been, sf and DT?  I think I can speak for most of the MacLean&#8217;s regular posters (I can speak for me for sure) when I say Jack Mitchell is generally regarded as the brightest bulb of us all.  Many may disagree with his opinions, but not his smarts.</p>
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		<title>By: J@ck Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>J@ck Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, how cute, you come in pairs.</description>
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		<title>By: DT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that would be the latter</description>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cwe, have you tried stand-up?  You have a rapier wit.  Go for it.</description>
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		<title>By: J@ck Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/12/%e2%80%98facts%e2%80%99-such-a-quaint-notion-now/comment-page-1/#comment-95551</link>
		<dc:creator>J@ck Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t the magazine that hit &quot;report abuse&quot; on my witty comment, it was YOU, baby-faced little sf.  I&#039;m just noting the irony of your desire to delete your opponents instead of answering them, given the HRC brouhaha.  It&#039;s not just the legal action of censorship that is disgusting, it&#039;s the emotional impulse behind it.
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Anyway, calling someone a bigot is not to &quot;hurl vulgar epithets.&quot;  Most of Steyn&#039;s readers can&#039;t even spell the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t the magazine that hit &#8220;report abuse&#8221; on my witty comment, it was YOU, baby-faced little sf.  I&#8217;m just noting the irony of your desire to delete your opponents instead of answering them, given the HRC brouhaha.  It&#8217;s not just the legal action of censorship that is disgusting, it&#8217;s the emotional impulse behind it.<br />
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Anyway, calling someone a bigot is not to &#8220;hurl vulgar epithets.&#8221;  Most of Steyn&#8217;s readers can&#8217;t even spell the word.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cwe, have you tried stand-up?  Go for it.  You have a rapier wit.  LOL</description>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/12/%e2%80%98facts%e2%80%99-such-a-quaint-notion-now/comment-page-1/#comment-95549</link>
		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to see how you can get so uppity over your ability to hurl vulgar epithets at the magazine&#039;s journalists.  Maybe you should take this to court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see how you can get so uppity over your ability to hurl vulgar epithets at the magazine&#8217;s journalists.  Maybe you should take this to court.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/12/%e2%80%98facts%e2%80%99-such-a-quaint-notion-now/comment-page-1/#comment-95548</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Nationalistic, &quot;the British way is the only way&quot; kind of thinking is where we were when most of our history books were written.  That&#039;s why the War of Independence from the American view is almost unrecognizable to those of us who first learned the British view in school.

And so, were we to do a Plains of Abraham re-enactment, what version would we use?  The British one?  The French one?  The truth?  Some silly one-big-happy-family-out-for-a-picnic version?  You can see if the British version is used, the French-Canadians will be furious, and if the French or even truth version is used, those English Canadians who were taught the same thing I was will cry foul at the obvious French revisionist history.

What we need to do is get together and document a Canadian version--one as close to the truth as humanly possible.  Then we all need to learn THAT version, and the rest of our Canadianized history while we&#039;re at it.   It&#039;s been a number of years now.  We aren&#039;t British and we aren&#039;t from France.  It&#039;s time we wrote (and read) our own history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Nationalistic, &#8220;the British way is the only way&#8221; kind of thinking is where we were when most of our history books were written.  That&#8217;s why the War of Independence from the American view is almost unrecognizable to those of us who first learned the British view in school.</p>
<p>And so, were we to do a Plains of Abraham re-enactment, what version would we use?  The British one?  The French one?  The truth?  Some silly one-big-happy-family-out-for-a-picnic version?  You can see if the British version is used, the French-Canadians will be furious, and if the French or even truth version is used, those English Canadians who were taught the same thing I was will cry foul at the obvious French revisionist history.</p>
<p>What we need to do is get together and document a Canadian version&#8211;one as close to the truth as humanly possible.  Then we all need to learn THAT version, and the rest of our Canadianized history while we&#8217;re at it.   It&#8217;s been a number of years now.  We aren&#8217;t British and we aren&#8217;t from France.  It&#8217;s time we wrote (and read) our own history.</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I do believe you see the difference between censorship and Maclean&#039;s running a blog the way they like.  Or maybe you&#039;re not smart enough.</description>
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		<title>By: J@ck Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>J@ck Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, censorship.  How sickly-sweet the fragrance of that bouquet.  I can at least thank you for showing what utter garbage pro-Steyn free-speechers have been peddling these past 18 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, censorship.  How sickly-sweet the fragrance of that bouquet.  I can at least thank you for showing what utter garbage pro-Steyn free-speechers have been peddling these past 18 months.</p>
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		<title>By: CDN In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CDN In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that is funny cwe</description>
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