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	<title>Comments on: Well, that certainly didn&#039;t come up at last night&#039;s science awards ceremony &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too good not to share


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/mr-cranky-pants-has-all-the-answers-41482982.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too good not to share</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no Ark as there was no Global Flood (PS: Noah and Golgamesh were the same person which is that of an even more ancient sumerian legend) therefore your question is obviously an attempt to portray me as something that I am not - so riddle me this - what is the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative answer Liberals Believe Conservatives are Evil and Conservatives Believe Liberals are stupid : Answer = you are obviously not a Conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was no Ark as there was no Global Flood (PS: Noah and Golgamesh were the same person which is that of an even more ancient sumerian legend) therefore your question is obviously an attempt to portray me as something that I am not &#8211; so riddle me this &#8211; what is the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative answer Liberals Believe Conservatives are Evil and Conservatives Believe Liberals are stupid : Answer = you are obviously not a Conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - Reefer madness in BC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; Reefer madness in BC?</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Archangel, Twain was a genius!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Archangel, Twain was a genius!</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jwl - just checked with the wife/boss/teacher re: phonetics, she says yr about 30rs too late with yr argument. Basically everthing has changed. Don&#039;t know where you get yr info from, but yr passe baby! :)
By the way she&#039;s a science teacher, says yr no change theory sounds baseless too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jwl &#8211; just checked with the wife/boss/teacher re: phonetics, she says yr about 30rs too late with yr argument. Basically everthing has changed. Don&#8217;t know where you get yr info from, but yr passe baby! :)<br />
By the way she&#8217;s a science teacher, says yr no change theory sounds baseless too!</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Kitchener's Own</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord Kitchener's Own</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another:

&quot;We are evolving, every year, every decade. That’s a fact. Whether it’s to the intensity of the sun, whether it’s to, as a chiropractor, walking on cement versus anything else, whether it’s running shoes or high heels, of course, we are evolving to our environment.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.macleans.ca/2009/03/17/do-the-evolution-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-110551&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gary Goodyear&lt;/a&gt;.

Poor man should have quit while he was behind.  He&#039;s moved from &quot;doesn&#039;t believe in the theory of evolution&quot; to &quot;doesn&#039;t have even the most basic understanding of what the theory of evolution is&quot;.

I&#039;ll take the religious guy who doesn&#039;t believe in evolution over the guy who thinks humans are currently evolutionarily adapting, year over year, to a state of physical existence more conducive to walking on concrete (and/or in high heels) any day.

I&#039;d love to hear his explanation for how the inefficient concrete walkers are being excluded from the gene pool.  Have I been missing the dead bodies on the sidewalk of people who haven&#039;t yet adapted to walking on an unnatural surface?  Or, is the Minister suggesting that people who walk more efficiently on paved surfaces are significantly more likely to get laid???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another:</p>
<p>&#8220;We are evolving, every year, every decade. That’s a fact. Whether it’s to the intensity of the sun, whether it’s to, as a chiropractor, walking on cement versus anything else, whether it’s running shoes or high heels, of course, we are evolving to our environment.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.macleans.ca/2009/03/17/do-the-evolution-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-110551" rel="nofollow">Gary Goodyear</a>.</p>
<p>Poor man should have quit while he was behind.  He&#8217;s moved from &#8220;doesn&#8217;t believe in the theory of evolution&#8221; to &#8220;doesn&#8217;t have even the most basic understanding of what the theory of evolution is&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take the religious guy who doesn&#8217;t believe in evolution over the guy who thinks humans are currently evolutionarily adapting, year over year, to a state of physical existence more conducive to walking on concrete (and/or in high heels) any day.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear his explanation for how the inefficient concrete walkers are being excluded from the gene pool.  Have I been missing the dead bodies on the sidewalk of people who haven&#8217;t yet adapted to walking on an unnatural surface?  Or, is the Minister suggesting that people who walk more efficiently on paved surfaces are significantly more likely to get laid???</p>
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		<title>By: Canuckistanian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canuckistanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as long as that MD didn&#039;t believe AIDS is transmitted by tears ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as long as that MD didn&#8217;t believe AIDS is transmitted by tears ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her&#039;s another:

&quot;In religion and politics people&#039;s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.&quot;

-- Mark Twain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her&#8217;s another:</p>
<p>&#8220;In religion and politics people&#8217;s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; Mark Twain</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ark is short for Arkansas?</description>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
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		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kady, an agnostic could make an excellent &lt;i&gt;scientist&lt;/i&gt;.  To be a fantastic science minister, one would have to first become a successful politician.  And, while I have seen some mild streaks via your liveblogging berry, I am not sure you have the necessary treachery in you for that prerequisite.  So, be not crushed that someone doubts your future as a science minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kady, an agnostic could make an excellent <i>scientist</i>.  To be a fantastic science minister, one would have to first become a successful politician.  And, while I have seen some mild streaks via your liveblogging berry, I am not sure you have the necessary treachery in you for that prerequisite.  So, be not crushed that someone doubts your future as a science minister.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
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		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the quote, Chris!</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very carefully, I assume...</description>
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		<title>By: Chris S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am not here to parade my religious sentiments, but I declare I have too much respect for the faith in which I was born to ever use it as the basis of a political organization.&quot; -- Sir Wilfrid Laurier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not here to parade my religious sentiments, but I declare I have too much respect for the faith in which I was born to ever use it as the basis of a political organization.&#8221; &#8212; Sir Wilfrid Laurier</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Kitchener's Own</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord Kitchener's Own</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should say &quot;HERE&#039;S a good (crazy) one.&quot; above.

Rest assured I&#039;m calling my last hypothetical &lt;i&gt;example&lt;/i&gt; crazy (though, I think, useful) not any &lt;i&gt;person&lt;/i&gt; crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should say &#8220;HERE&#8217;S a good (crazy) one.&#8221; above.</p>
<p>Rest assured I&#8217;m calling my last hypothetical <i>example</i> crazy (though, I think, useful) not any <i>person</i> crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Riddle me this, how did Noah (maybe his real name) get 30 million species male and female on his Ark.&lt;/i&gt;

Persuasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Riddle me this, how did Noah (maybe his real name) get 30 million species male and female on his Ark.</i></p>
<p>Persuasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creationism is so incidental to what Christianity is all about it&#039;s a real pity any time gets wasted on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creationism is so incidental to what Christianity is all about it&#8217;s a real pity any time gets wasted on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.</description>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the imagery of a giant phallus being carried down the street. :)</description>
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		<title>By: kingbagot</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingbagot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waayne (maybe not your real name)
Riddle me this, how did Noah (maybe his real name) get 30 million species male and female on his Ark.</description>
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Riddle me this, how did Noah (maybe his real name) get 30 million species male and female on his Ark.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Kitchener's Own</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord Kitchener's Own</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s difficult to draw a line as to where religion is private, and where it might have public political implications, so I wonder, setting aside the Minister&#039;s answer regarding evolution, what if we look at some other hypotheticals?

If the Minister had been asked &quot;Do you believe in gravity&quot; and his response had been &quot;“I’m not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don’t think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate”, would we consider that a legitimate answer from the Minister responsible for Science and Technology?

What if he were asked &quot;Do you believe that the Earth revolves around the sun?&quot;  Would &quot;I don’t think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate&quot; be an acceptable response?

What if a Minister of the Crown were asked &quot;Do you believe men and women are equal?&quot;, and he answered &quot;I’m not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don’t think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate&quot;?  Would we say &quot;his private religious beliefs are none of our business&quot;?

He&#039;s a good (crazy) one.  What if a Minister were asked if he or she felt that slavery is acceptable, and refused to answer the question because it touched on his or her religious beliefs?

Where does one draw the line exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s difficult to draw a line as to where religion is private, and where it might have public political implications, so I wonder, setting aside the Minister&#8217;s answer regarding evolution, what if we look at some other hypotheticals?</p>
<p>If the Minister had been asked &#8220;Do you believe in gravity&#8221; and his response had been &#8220;“I’m not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don’t think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate”, would we consider that a legitimate answer from the Minister responsible for Science and Technology?</p>
<p>What if he were asked &#8220;Do you believe that the Earth revolves around the sun?&#8221;  Would &#8220;I don’t think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate&#8221; be an acceptable response?</p>
<p>What if a Minister of the Crown were asked &#8220;Do you believe men and women are equal?&#8221;, and he answered &#8220;I’m not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don’t think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate&#8221;?  Would we say &#8220;his private religious beliefs are none of our business&#8221;?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a good (crazy) one.  What if a Minister were asked if he or she felt that slavery is acceptable, and refused to answer the question because it touched on his or her religious beliefs?</p>
<p>Where does one draw the line exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: jwl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s best left to the educators to decide if they put their needs/wants ahead of the children, which is what&#039;s happening now. A major reason why teachers prefer whole-words over phonetics is that it&#039;s a more interesting way to teach. Phonetics is boring but way more effective way to learn how to read.

 I am not a teacher myself at the moment, tho I have taught in Korea and UK in the past, but I am best friends with 3 teachers who work in Canada. To listen to them, the best interests of teachers and children are exactly the same, which is utter nonsense. Teachers want to make their jobs more interesting while the best way for many/most children to learn is boring rote lessons. There is conflict and I would prefer it if teachers put children&#039;s learning ahead of their desire to entertain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s best left to the educators to decide if they put their needs/wants ahead of the children, which is what&#8217;s happening now. A major reason why teachers prefer whole-words over phonetics is that it&#8217;s a more interesting way to teach. Phonetics is boring but way more effective way to learn how to read.</p>
<p> I am not a teacher myself at the moment, tho I have taught in Korea and UK in the past, but I am best friends with 3 teachers who work in Canada. To listen to them, the best interests of teachers and children are exactly the same, which is utter nonsense. Teachers want to make their jobs more interesting while the best way for many/most children to learn is boring rote lessons. There is conflict and I would prefer it if teachers put children&#8217;s learning ahead of their desire to entertain.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Wayne there&#039;s a world of difference between a reporter misquoting or misrepresenting yr position as a civilian and asking a cabinet minister questions that may have a bearing on whether he can do his job or not. You should read the aricle again. It appears Goodyear raised the issue of religion himself, and then bailed when he didn&#039;t like the follow-up. No gotcha here - just plain old evasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Wayne there&#8217;s a world of difference between a reporter misquoting or misrepresenting yr position as a civilian and asking a cabinet minister questions that may have a bearing on whether he can do his job or not. You should read the aricle again. It appears Goodyear raised the issue of religion himself, and then bailed when he didn&#8217;t like the follow-up. No gotcha here &#8211; just plain old evasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Wascally Wabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wascally Wabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently clicking away here computing the risk quotient of permitting a habitue of the &#039;Berry to be in charge of Science....
Hm - I guess that means funding for speech recognition would go out the window..
and prob&#039;ly enhanced funding for light and effectively extending step ladders would increase....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently clicking away here computing the risk quotient of permitting a habitue of the &#8216;Berry to be in charge of Science&#8230;.<br />
Hm &#8211; I guess that means funding for speech recognition would go out the window..<br />
and prob&#8217;ly enhanced funding for light and effectively extending step ladders would increase&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wascally Wabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wascally Wabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominus vobiscum!</description>
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		<title>By: Partisan non-partisan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Partisan non-partisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect he realizes it&#039;s his job to be Harper&#039;s representative to the uppity researcher community.

That would explain the tantrum when meeting with the CAUT ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect he realizes it&#8217;s his job to be Harper&#8217;s representative to the uppity researcher community.</p>
<p>That would explain the tantrum when meeting with the CAUT &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - i&#039;ve tried that one, i did feel a bit smarter - still hurt though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; i&#8217;ve tried that one, i did feel a bit smarter &#8211; still hurt though!</p>
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		<title>By: nd</title>
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		<dc:creator>nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should probably clarify here that by prime minister you mean Paul Martin, and by &quot;many MPs&quot; you mean Liberal MPs. Cabinet ministers don&#039;t count so much because their vote was whipped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should probably clarify here that by prime minister you mean Paul Martin, and by &#8220;many MPs&#8221; you mean Liberal MPs. Cabinet ministers don&#8217;t count so much because their vote was whipped.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jwl-that question is best left educators to decide - isn&#039;t it? My wife&#039;s an experienced teacher - her complaint is that non-qualified people[ read political] are forever trying to interfere in education policy. Leave it to the professionals in the main. Maybe they don&#039;t like yr studies? Are you an educator? Are you sure you know better? Please show me what science shows that people can&#039;t change? Change from what to what? There are so many variables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jwl-that question is best left educators to decide &#8211; isn&#8217;t it? My wife&#8217;s an experienced teacher &#8211; her complaint is that non-qualified people[ read political] are forever trying to interfere in education policy. Leave it to the professionals in the main. Maybe they don&#8217;t like yr studies? Are you an educator? Are you sure you know better? Please show me what science shows that people can&#8217;t change? Change from what to what? There are so many variables.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you did not think about what I posted -&gt; I said : Ask the real question : if you do not understand what I am talking about I don&#039;t have time to explain it you. And yes I don&#039;t like reporters who are curious about everything that will enable them to get a promotion because they captured a gotcha moment at the expense of someone who in an unattentive moment neglected to answer a question that was immaterial and irrlelevant. It sort of happened to me once so I am sensitve to this issue. A reporter who does not stick to the facts and go after the real question then abrogates all rights of claims of being a journalist and has entered the world of punditry they should go write blogs or advertise they are a pundit else they are hypocrites of the highest degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you did not think about what I posted -&gt; I said : Ask the real question : if you do not understand what I am talking about I don&#8217;t have time to explain it you. And yes I don&#8217;t like reporters who are curious about everything that will enable them to get a promotion because they captured a gotcha moment at the expense of someone who in an unattentive moment neglected to answer a question that was immaterial and irrlelevant. It sort of happened to me once so I am sensitve to this issue. A reporter who does not stick to the facts and go after the real question then abrogates all rights of claims of being a journalist and has entered the world of punditry they should go write blogs or advertise they are a pundit else they are hypocrites of the highest degree.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rummy is thet yu? I thawt i tolt yu to avoid dis knda minbooglin stuff!
                                                                                                                                W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rummy is thet yu? I thawt i tolt yu to avoid dis knda minbooglin stuff!<br />
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		<title>By: kc</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/17/well-that-certainly-didnt-come-up-at-last-nights-science-awards-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-97464</link>
		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thnk you support my belief that personal beliefs should not interfere unduly with yr govt responsibilities, if it&#039;s too much of a conflict, that is legimate of course - then you need to find another line of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thnk you support my belief that personal beliefs should not interfere unduly with yr govt responsibilities, if it&#8217;s too much of a conflict, that is legimate of course &#8211; then you need to find another line of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows?  Perhaps knowbody knows how much knowledge is really knowable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows?  Perhaps knowbody knows how much knowledge is really knowable.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, answer them, if you can minister? My pt is avoidng controversy often only generates more. Keep yr personal beliefs separate from yr job. Obviously it would help to have a minister that supported evolutionary theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, answer them, if you can minister? My pt is avoidng controversy often only generates more. Keep yr personal beliefs separate from yr job. Obviously it would help to have a minister that supported evolutionary theory.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathon has gone mad, someone grab him before he posts all our lost ones!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathon has gone mad, someone grab him before he posts all our lost ones!</p>
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		<title>By: LeslieE</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/17/well-that-certainly-didnt-come-up-at-last-nights-science-awards-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-97460</link>
		<dc:creator>LeslieE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, i doubt he realizes he is &quot;supposed to the person who represents you and your colleagues at the cabinet table&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/17/well-that-certainly-didnt-come-up-at-last-nights-science-awards-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-97459</link>
		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archangel - way better, voila:&quot;  Welcome to The Universal Church Triumphant of the Apathetic Agnostic&quot; I plan on joining retroactively, if i can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archangel &#8211; way better, voila:&#8221;  Welcome to The Universal Church Triumphant of the Apathetic Agnostic&#8221; I plan on joining retroactively, if i can.</p>
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		<title>By: jwl</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/03/17/well-that-certainly-didnt-come-up-at-last-nights-science-awards-ceremony/comment-page-1/#comment-97458</link>
		<dc:creator>jwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God help you all if I was ever elected to the Commons. :)</description>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree that a full transcript would be helpful in determining exactly what he meant, but by shutting down the discussion in mid-conversation when he was asked a direct question that he apparently didn’t feel he should have to answer, he really is largely responsible for any ensuing misunderstanding.&quot;

How do you know he shut the discussion down in mid-conversation without seeing the full transcript that you agree would be useful?

&quot;You know, if that&#039;s the case, it should be pretty easy for the minister to clarify.&quot;

Yes.  Surely the Globe is reserving the same prominent portion of the front page for his clarification.

Do you really think that this reporter didn&#039;t go into this interview fully prepared to go after Goodyear on the &quot;rumours&quot; she heard about his religious beliefs?  Do you really believe that her &quot;followup&quot; question just happened to occur to her after he may have metaphorically opened the door to his personal religious beliefs in response to an entirely unrelated scientific question?

I actaully think these questions were coming one way or the other, and I don&#039;t think it would have mattered what Goodyear said.  If he had declared himself an atheist and a lifetime subscrber to Skeptic Magazine, the headline most likely would have read, &quot;Science minister denies rumours he&#039;s a creationist&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree that a full transcript would be helpful in determining exactly what he meant, but by shutting down the discussion in mid-conversation when he was asked a direct question that he apparently didn’t feel he should have to answer, he really is largely responsible for any ensuing misunderstanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you know he shut the discussion down in mid-conversation without seeing the full transcript that you agree would be useful?</p>
<p>&#8220;You know, if that&#8217;s the case, it should be pretty easy for the minister to clarify.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  Surely the Globe is reserving the same prominent portion of the front page for his clarification.</p>
<p>Do you really think that this reporter didn&#8217;t go into this interview fully prepared to go after Goodyear on the &#8220;rumours&#8221; she heard about his religious beliefs?  Do you really believe that her &#8220;followup&#8221; question just happened to occur to her after he may have metaphorically opened the door to his personal religious beliefs in response to an entirely unrelated scientific question?</p>
<p>I actaully think these questions were coming one way or the other, and I don&#8217;t think it would have mattered what Goodyear said.  If he had declared himself an atheist and a lifetime subscrber to Skeptic Magazine, the headline most likely would have read, &#8220;Science minister denies rumours he&#8217;s a creationist&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Minister of Industry said he didn&#039;t want to answer whether he believed in capitalism would that be okay too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Minister of Industry said he didn&#8217;t want to answer whether he believed in capitalism would that be okay too?</p>
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		<title>By: jwl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kc - For one instance, teachers pretty much refuse to teach how to read phonetically and prefer the whole-word system when it&#039;s been shown in study after study phonetics is way better, particularly for children from poor families. But good luck trying to get teachers to teach reading differently.

So much government policy is based on the belief that people change, are malleable, when science shows that it just isn&#039;t true. It is not only Social Cons who believe in creationism who have issues with science but for some reason they are the only ones who are mocked for their beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kc &#8211; For one instance, teachers pretty much refuse to teach how to read phonetically and prefer the whole-word system when it&#8217;s been shown in study after study phonetics is way better, particularly for children from poor families. But good luck trying to get teachers to teach reading differently.</p>
<p>So much government policy is based on the belief that people change, are malleable, when science shows that it just isn&#8217;t true. It is not only Social Cons who believe in creationism who have issues with science but for some reason they are the only ones who are mocked for their beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: LeslieE</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeslieE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely reflects poorly on Harper for choosing such a person for the position.</description>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you know you don&#039;t know the unknowable, how can you knowingly deny you know the knowable?</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this really all that surprising?  Conservatives are not part of the reality-based community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this really all that surprising?  Conservatives are not part of the reality-based community.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it concern you if he didn&#039;t believe in the science of DVD players or flight or sterilization? Evolution is BASIC science and the essential foundation on which huge swaths of our modern world depend. It is pretty close to a Justice Minister not wanting to talk about what counts as evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it concern you if he didn&#8217;t believe in the science of DVD players or flight or sterilization? Evolution is BASIC science and the essential foundation on which huge swaths of our modern world depend. It is pretty close to a Justice Minister not wanting to talk about what counts as evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it concern you if he didn&#039;t believe in the science of DVD players or flight or sterilization? Evolution is BASIC science and the essential foundation on which huge swaths of our modern world depend. It is pretty close to a Justice Minister not wanting to talk about what counts as evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it concern you if he didn&#8217;t believe in the science of DVD players or flight or sterilization? Evolution is BASIC science and the essential foundation on which huge swaths of our modern world depend. It is pretty close to a Justice Minister not wanting to talk about what counts as evidence.</p>
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