We’re in the fast lane to polygamy

Remember same-sex-marriage proponents rolling their eyes at talk of what might be next?

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, April 9, 2009 11:10am - 266 Comments

We’re in the fast lane to polygamyWhat’s my line on legalized polygamy? Oh, I pretty much said it all back in 2004, in a column for Ezra Levant’s Western Standard. Headline: “It’s Closer Than They Think.”

Well, a mere half-decade down the slippery slope and here we are, with the marrying kind of Bountiful, B.C., headed for the Supreme Court of Canada. Five years ago, proponents of same-sex marriage went into full you-cannot-be-serious eye-rolling mode when naysayers warned that polygamy would be next. As I wrote in that Western Standard piece:

“Gay marriage, they assure us, is the merest amendment to traditional marriage, and once we’ve done that we’ll pull up the drawbridge.”

Claire L’Heureux-Dubé, the former Supreme Court justice, remains confident the drawbridge is firmly up. “Marriage is a union of two people, period,” she said in Quebec the other day. But it used to be a union of one man and one woman, period. And, if that period got kicked down the page to accommodate a comma and a subordinate clause, why shouldn’t it get kicked again? If the sex of the participants is no longer relevant, why should the number be?

Ah, well, says Mme L’Heureux-Dubé, polygamists don’t enjoy the same societal acceptance as gays. “I don’t see a parade of polygamists on Ste-Catherine Street,” observes the great jurist, marshalling the same dazzling quality of argument she used back in her days as the Supreme Court’s most outspoken activist on gay issues. A decade ago, she and Justice Michael Kirby, Australia’s most senior gay judge, traipsed from one gay-rights confab to another like the Elizabeth Taylor and Roddy McDowall of the international judicial cocktail circuit. But perhaps, back home in Canada, her ladyship ought to expand her excursions beyond the Ste-Catherine Street gay pride march. If you check in with, ahem, certain cultural communities in Canada, you will find polygamy not just “accepted” but government funded. It was confirmed last year that in the province of Ontario thousands of polygamous men receive welfare payments for each of their wives. There are many more takers for polygamy than there ever will be for gay marriage.

The Western world already accords de facto recognition to polygamy, in all kinds of areas. A couple of years back, Mohammed Anwar was stopped by police in Glasgow, Scotland, for doing 64 mph in a 30 mph zone. That would normally be enough for automatic disqualification from driving. But, appearing at Airdrie Sheriff’s Court, Mr. Anwar testified that he needed his car because he has one wife in Glasgow and another in Motherwell and he sleeps with them on alternate nights. Sheriff John C. Morris was persuaded by the Driving While Polygamous argument and ruled that the defendant could keep his driver’s licence. Congratulations! Make it one for my baby, one for my other baby, and one more for the road. Like Mr. Anwar, society is in the fast lane to second wives.

While Mme L’Heureux-Dubé’s objections may be sincere, the Government of Canada gives the distinct impression of going through the motions. Its objection to polygamy rests on the great wobbling blancmange of “Canadian values.” Polygamy is supposedly incompatible with “da Canadian value,” as M Chrétien used to call it. But surely da Canadian value is that we have no values. We value all values. To do otherwise would be profoundly un-Canadian. To be sure, there are sometimes theoretical contradictions between, say, women’s rights, on the one hand, and, on the other, arranged cousin marriages. But that’s all the more reason to give the likes of Chief Commissar Barbara Hall and her Ontario “Human Rights” Commission ever more powers to regulate ever more aspects of life in this blessed utopia. One assumes a so-called “conservative” government is standing its ground on the eternally shifting, whispering sands of “Canadian values” only as a little comic relief before the inevitable Supreme Court ruling.

Meanwhile, my esteemed colleague Andrew Coyne, doing his Mister Reasonable shtick, has dismissed the whole polygamy thing as an absurd distraction by the flailing Tories: “We may be spending at all-time record levels. We may be running $40-billion deficits, and bailing out auto companies, and ditching across-the-board tax cuts in favour of dozens of little social-engineering tax credits. We may have abandoned everything we ever stood for on Afghanistan, on Quebec, on corporate welfare, on foreign investment . . . But we’ll still protect you from a lot of imaginary threats like polygamy.”

Call me a hopeless Pollyanna, but I’d like to think a functioning G7 government could enact a coherent economic policy while still finding time to oppose polygamy. Still, to take Andrew’s broader argument, he’s in favour of decriminalization of plural marriage: after all, we let a chap screw as many women as he wants. What’s the big deal if he wants to marry them all? But in Canada nothing occurs in isolation. Take those multi-spousal welfare benefits in Ontario. In fairness to your big-time polygamist in Yemen or Waziristan, he has to do it on his own dime. If he wants to get the taxpayer to pick up the tab, he has to hop a flight to Toronto. East is east and west is west, and these days when the twain meet you usually get the worst of both worlds, of which government-funded polygamy would appear to be a near parodic example. But, in a Canada where common-law relationships already enjoy all but full equality with marriage, it’s easy to foresee the court decisions that would follow—on benefits, on “human rights” cases, on family-reunification immigration hearings. An insignificant number of gay couples would have greased the skids for a far larger cohort of heterosexual triples and quadruples. Indeed, for some polygamy proponents, that’s the point. A couple of years back, the Toronto Star quoted Martha Bailey advocating polygamy on economic grounds: “Stressing ‘the multicultural nature of Canadian society,’ Bailey claims that Canada has an urgent practical need for more Muslim immigrants. If Canada can just ‘expand the pool of applicants,’ says Bailey, it just may win ‘the global competition for highly skilled immigrants.’ ”

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    • micutuv

      Appearently you have never read the Old Testament……

      1. Yes some old testament characters practiced polygamy, but they did so clearly against the Law. The OT does not in any way advocate poligamy.But why do you even bother with bringing in the Old Testament? You clearly do not believe it shall be used as a refference…

      Oh but maybe you forgot, the Old Testament – Ten Commandments – is the foundation on witch the supreme Law of Canada was built…..

      • Lanza

        Complete BS. The ten commandment as very little to do with our laws. You just do what religious believers do best, repeat mindlessly the same thing until people “believe” it to be true.

        To recaps:
        1- You shall have no other gods before me.
        Canada isn’t a theocracy, Canadians were always free to believe in anything or anyone they want, not just in your god.

        2-You shall not make for yourself an idol
        idem.

        3- You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.
        , now put me in jail or at least fine me. Oh wait, it’s not illegal.

        4- Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
        It’s a grey area because most people usually don’t work on week-end, but there is no law against it.

        5- Honor your father and mother
        It never was a law.

        6- Thou shalt not kill
        The concept of laws against murder predate Christianity, it’s a foundation of any functional society.

        7- Thou shalt not commit adultery.
        It’s not a crime in Canada, except within the context of endangering the morals of a child (ie. “renders the home an unfit place for the child to be in”). Not really enforced these days.

        8- Thou shalt not steal
        See point 6, Christianity didn’t invent the concept of laws against stealing.

        9- Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor.
        Not sure about his one, it’s perhaps the only on in the bunch that has anything to do with our laws.

        10- Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
        It’s has never been a law in Canada.

        • brick tamlin

          He really just alluded to the preamble of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

          Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law.

          I’m not sure your little rebuttal there holds any water. We’re founded upon ‘principles’ (which ones, it does not specify) that recognize the supremacy of God. Nowhere does it say that the Ten Commandments are explicitly to be followed or regulated, much less enforced by the government (except in the cases you already mentioned, which actually serves to expose the point more clearly here.)

        • Sassielassie

          The Ten Commandments are something that you have to take with a liberal dose of salt. Or humour:

  • Louise W.

    Mass unemployment looming, government finances in free-fall, global warning, the car industry about to go belly up, nothing left of the Alberta oil boom but the environmental degradation, unrest growing worldwide, a soaring crime rate, Iran about to get a nuclear arsenal that will eventually balance out Israel’s, China’s inexorable growth to global power status, less and less worth watching on TV, bees in danger of becoming extinct worldwide, Conrad Black set to remain in the hoosegow for years to come …

    Those things are bagatelles, but what will we do when the number of polygamous family groups in Canada climbs into double digits?

    Never fear, I’m sure Mark will help us cross that bridge when we come to it.

  • Smitty

    I know a couple of hundred million nice Chinese girls that would like to get hooked up with a nice gringo like me.

    What are the emmigration procedures for Americans moving to Canada?

    Is it people from the South get walk in self declaring citizenship privaleges like in CA?

    I could start my own right wing politcal movement, I used to fantasize about making my own football team, why not my own army?

    Then I can nationalize all of Canada’s oil sands, timber and diamond mines and call it all “Social justice”.

  • canuck1

    The real shocker would be if either polyandry or gay polygamy became legal.

    • leaf

      “The real shocker would be if either polyandry or gay polygamy became legal.”

      Indeed, and next thing you know they’ll legalise sheep-shagging as well.

    • sf

      Once polygamy is real, it will automatically be extended to gays, since gay marriage is already legal. Then we will have fraternities in which everybody is married to each other.

  • Mark Daugherty

    I really don’t get how polygamy issues from homosexual marriage. If we want to stop heterosexual polygamy shouldn’t we outlaw heterosexuality? So two men fall quietly in love in some gay club, and want to get married. Can anyone explain to me how this makes straight people run amok in rural polygamous communities? As far as I am concerned, if you don’t like gay marriage, don’t marry a gay!

    • Ricardo

      Who are “we” to deny consenting adults their wishes? Is it no longer true that the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation? Are liberals going soft on this all of a sudden? If a judge in Ontario rules that a child can have three parents — two women and a sperm-providing man, who is to forbid the three of them marriage if they so wish? “Three parents, good; three married parents, bad”?

      According to the liberal view, the whole purpose of the Charter was to protect individuals from the “tyranny” (Trudeau), and “oppression” (Martin) of the majority, i.e., the community. Isn’t “Canadian values” just another word for the values and views of the majority community?

      But, never mind. This issue will not be decided on the basis of lofty principles. It will be decided on the basis of brute might-makes-right strength. And, right now, it is an elite, unelected judiciary that holds this power.

      Another spot-on expose by Mark Steyn of the slippery-sloppy-slope of relativism and the incoherence of values rooted in transitory culture.

    • Libs Fail

      “If we want to stop heterosexual polygamy shouldn’t we outlaw heterosexuality? ”

      Please don’t ever speak in public again. I know, you feel threatened by a woman and a man in a loving relationship and it makes it difficult for you to relate to many people, but trust me, you lack the necessities for an adult conversation.

    • Ian

      Did you even read the article? That’s not the argument he is making at all. He is saying that once you redefine the rules of marriage, what’s to keep them from being redefined again and again. And I love how people who disagree with Mr. Steyn rarely have arguments to support their claims except to resort to name-calling. How about a real conversation for once? Just be because someone does not agree with your views does not make them a homophobe or Islamaphobe. He is simply making a point with supporting facts, which is more than can be said for most of the people who left comments here.

    • sf

      “Can anyone explain to me how this makes straight people run amok in rural polygamous communities?”

      What does that have to do with anything?

  • Chuck80

    Earnest Canuck says:
    Apr 10, 2009 at 5:21 am

    Oops, sorry, I meant to write “Earnest Canuck” at the beginning of my message, but put it in the name box instead. Think it’s time to have my eyesight tested.

  • Al Stevenson

    My comment is that I am bothered by the way the term “homophobia” is used and accepted.
    Think about it. The word, homosexual means attracted to someone the SAME as oneself.
    So, homophobia would be expected to mean fear of ones own kind, the opposite of what it tries to mean.
    Go look in your dictionary for words beginning with homo; they all imply sameness. Homophobia is obviously coined using homo as a slang term for a gay person, but slang terms should not be used coining words. We could just as easily say fruitiphobia or queeriphobia.

    I think the thing is, the majority of people do not know how to use the language properly, and we get used to and accept such usages (“You know” is a prime example) that we all begin to talk that way.

    • Maggie’s Farmboy

      Hmmm. Might have been a worthwhile discussion thirty years ago, before the term came to have a widely understood meaning.

  • Asher

    The issue is not gay marriage, itself, but how it is being inserted into the legal system. There is a world of difference between something being voted on as a policy preference of the body-politic and a basic inalienable right of the individual. Personally, I would vote in a referendum to extend state recognition between two individuals of the same sex, but that is not because they have some sort of inalienable right to it.

    Polygamy, widespread enough, is the end of modern civilization. Young men become invested into a society by having a reasonable chance of sexual access to young women, and state endorsement of one man and multiple women turns sex into a winner-take-all social environment. Conceivably, you would see around 20 percent of the men having sex with 100 percent of the women. The problem, of course, is what to do with the other 80 percent of the men. Death? Slavery? Prehistoric people’s practiced the former and the ancient world the later. Neither seems particularly appealing to me, but then, hey, maybe I don’t understand “da Canadian values”.

    What I find particular bizarre about almost all the comments is that they completely refuse to address Steyn’s thesis, that turning marriage into a fundamental human right, as opposed to prudent policy to advance society’s interests, is an unmitigated disaster in the making. If you’re going to comment, at least attempt to address the actual thesis of the column.

  • Asher

    Also, for those confused, there is a difference between polygamy and polygyny. The first is social recognition of relations between individuals, primarily for the purposes of advancing particular societal interests, at least until now. The second is one man having sex with multiple women. Given that marriage is an affirmative state action, one that requires the state not to just refrain from something but to actively endorse it, you can easily stop polygamy. All you do is limit the issuance, again an affirmative state action, of one license to each heterosexual male. Stopping polygyny is another matter, and would require a police state. However, we can reduce the incidence of polygyny by not forcing taxpayers to subsidize it.

    Damn, the commentary level here is abysmal.

  • round two

    What is it with these guys? Multiple wives? I’ve always had my share of struggles dealing with ONE !!!! As a third generation Canadian, I can honestly write that after recovering from the initial, obvious shock created by these freaky stories, I find myself happy that this garbage is happening. Any concern for my values or the future of my children, has been tossed directly into the trash can and I sincerely hope that this dump falls into a state of civil war and chaos. It’s only a matter of time. The real kicker will be the ultimate financial collapse and then watch the gloves come off. Trust me, no one will be debating multiple wives or “no kissing” signs at the Go station. England leads the way on that one. No entity of any description can survive in the long term, with a thousand groups pulling in a thousand directions. Like mindedness and national pride are an impossible feat. Personally, I’ve got my exit strategy all worked out and plan to watch the fireworks from afar. May the best man win !!!!!

    • Asher

      I do think a military coup is a significantly possible future in a western country within the next few decades. The left is heavily comprised of single mother’s … I doubt that’s a useful demographic to possess when fighting a civil war.

      • round two

        Good information Asher, thanks. I’ll definitely take that into consideration when I’m placing my bets. Cheers

  • http://yahoo Ian Manchester

    Richard Dawkins? Wow. I guess you’ve never read anything about Dawkins or those who’ve actually done a credible anaylsis of his ‘work.’ It’s always lovely to hear of yet another anti-religion person who’s written more books about religion than they’ve read. Who’s deluded?

    • Chuck80

      Ian Manchester,

      have you ever heard of Oxford University? It’s in England and considered one of the world’s great institutions of learning. Richard Dawkins is a professor there. I think that puts him just a tad above high school dropout Mark Steyn …

      You ought to read The God Delusion and see how many religious and other books Professor Dawkins quotes.

      Next thing you’ll be telling us Stephen Hawking is thick. LOL

    • Terry

      Ah, Richard Dawkins. Will your pseudo-intellectual meme theory never stop appealing to pseudo-intellectuals?

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    • Ruth Duddley-Edwards

      I must say I’m rather bewildered as well. Mark was such a cutie when we had our little thing all those years ago when we were both with the Irish Times, but he’s become such a droning bore of late. He was always whining that Western women were having too few babies and that the Muslims would take over, but got into a terrible hissy-fit when I suggested he sire a few more of his own. He knows a lot about music though.

      That’s me, ever meaning to be tactful, but never quite getting it.

      • sf

        If he’s the bore, then why is it I’ve never heard of you?

        If he’s the bore, how is it Mark’s columns get 20 times more comments than any other? And somehow you felt obliged to add one of your own.

        And finally, I don’t think you are meaning to be tactful at all, and in fact you are not being tactful in the slightest.

        • Ruth Duddley-Edwards

          sf “then why is it I’ve never heard of you?”

          What a non sequitur! Why you’ve never heard of is? Maybe it’s because you are ignorant and prefer to remain so.

          • sf

            I shall rephrase. You are also a journalist, like Mark. You are less well-known. Mark is famous. Yet you claim he is a bore, in contrast to yourself. Seems like a non-sequitur to me.

            Feel free to dispute any of these assertions.

            You may claim that I am ignorant. However, I am responding to your initial comments, which showed to me that you are ignorant of the most obvious facts.

          • sf

            Perhaps you are claiming that you are also a bore, more so than Mark. In that case, your logic is consistent, and I retract my comments.

          • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

            All famous doofuses are ipso facto famous.

        • leaf

          One reason why Steyn’s columns attract so many comments is, as another contributor has already pointed out, the fact that his hilariously slanted Neocon diatribes and his incessant nagging and chivvying about Islam attracts hordes of trolls in the same way that dog poo attracts flies.

          It’s dèja vu all over again. Seventy years ago (as earlier) everything that was wrong in the world was being blamed on the Jews, who were all rich, manipulating the world economy and political system, corrupting our culture and … well, I’m sure you’ve heard it all before. And look what that kind of demonisation led to?

          Who could want the same to happen to Muslims? Would it make our world any better if we offed a few million of them?

          Would WE be any better for it?

          Back in the 1930s, there were people like me screaming out to the Steyns of those days: “Enough already with badmouthing the Jews!” But not enough listened to us.

          Now I’m trying it again with Steyn: “Enough already with badmouthing Muslims!”

          Let’s hope the warning is heeded better this time round.

      • Libs Fail

        There’s nothing wrong with this country that about 5,000,000 lithe, nubile female immigrants between 18-21 wouldn’t fix. We’d have to send them to the brothels for a while until they integrate, but hey, we’re all liberals here and support legal prostitution, yes?

        Canadian women can get on with the business of acting like men and free themselves from the bonds of providing sex and babies, both of which they clearly hate (daddy issues), men get safe, affordable erotic servicing, the economy prospers, everybody wins!

        • edeast

          What are you talking about?

          • Libs Fail

            The Hyphen above seems a little sore that we Canadian men aren’t producing enough brats, I’m just saying we can’t work with what we’ve got: bellicose wannabe men, half are obese, the other half have eating disorders and their related mood swings. Ever work with a project manager on a cabbage diet? Not fun. So let’s import five million hotties and everyone wins.

          • edeast

            Lib fail I’m not sure how serious you are.
            I suppose; 5 million hotties could be fun for a time, however the most fertile group is the 30-34 range now. And immigrant fertility rapidly coalesces to the local fertility level (arab fertility goes down as well). So the influx fertility gains wouldn’t last long.
            If you are more concerned with the local conditions I wouldn’t blame the other sex, sexual selection works both ways. I think you might be batting in the wrong league. 23% of women are obese. In Newfoundland, Saskatchewan, and Brunswick it’s closer to 30%. The most likely to be obese are married or divorcees. The highest income earners( I’m assuming these are the bellicose wannabe men) are not obese. I have not had to work with a project manager on a diet, but it’s not entirely relevant unless you made an advance at her, because I’m assuming that she’s not as frosty with her boyfriend ( for whom she diets?). My experience is with university girls, who I assume are the ones who become successful. They are not male wannabes, but they have standards.

      • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

        You urged Mark Steyn to procreate?

        • Louise W.

          Isn’t that hyphen the Anglo-Irish wingnut who has become Lord Crossdresser’s e-mail pal? Google her and read her gushing admiration of the prison inmate and the extracts from his e-mails to her that she has then published. His scathing comments, as reported by her, on his former hero Dubya are hilarious, something alone the lines of a towel-flicking frat boy who gave up booze and blow for hard-core Protestantism and whose greatest achievement was to survive birth.

          Should be some cat fight if she and Amielticket ever meet!

          • Critical Reasoning

            I honestly look forward to the next five years of prison-honed writing from Conrad Black. I recently finished his FDR bio. To my surprise, I enjoyed it immensely.

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  • Dieter Sprockets

    Our secular society simply stands for one thing and one thing only-tolerance. This is an admirable characteristic but also socially irresponsible. We tolerate abortion easy divorce, common lay, gay marriage and polygamy. on the surface, none of this matters. but beneath it all is a corrosion which is yet to be rectified-we are dying.

    Check the fertility levels for secular Ontarians and especially old order secular Francophone Quebecers. What we see is an aging fleet,, exhausted, dry docked, five feet from the grave and one thousand miles from the cradle. In short it means we are in rapid demographic transition-secularists have a fertility rate of around one child per female.

    We can do a few things. One would be to provide for alternative socialization models to compete side by side. In Ontario, This could be done by funding charter schools or providing parents with vouchers. At the moment, Ontario has a one size fits all dictatorship, where children are educated and have their moral compasses set mostly by a secular institution, which is oblivious to the writing on the wall. But don’t hold your breath. Secularists love their rhetoric especially the idea of tolerance, but only when it applies to everything else, except educational choice.

    • klapan20

      I believe that our population is at an all time high. If our population increases, we will eventually run out of natural resources. We have abundant resources now, but eventually, they will diminish. Our future generations will be left with nothing if we selfishly overpopulate and overuse resources.

  • klapan20

    Why is polygamy wrong? Society? Religion? Why can’t children grow, develop, and flourish with multiple caring, devoted parents. I’m not taking a stance on the issue, I just don’t understand why it would be unacceptable. Why are we so averse to change and people who are different from us? Maybe polygamy works for some people.

    • HoosierHawk

      Polygamy is wrong and carries a serious penalty, TWO mother-in-laws!

      • brick tamlin

        That… AND divorce lawyers are frothing at the mouth. Can you imagine the legal bills?

  • here’s your answer, NO

    Honestly, all of these people looking to undo our society, in favour of their own wish list, must be rolling in the aisles when they read this nonsense and watch the rest of us paying so much attention to it. What is wrong with “NO”. It’s a simple case of N-O no. Sorry, nice try folks, but we’re not changing anything for you, nothing. If these rules offend you, there’s the door. Furthermore, you may want to consider the fact that the joint you came from hasn’t figured out diddly-squat after thousands of years. There’s your basic bright idea, turn Canada into the same disaster. Smart thinking. Thanks but no thanks. We really must look like the idiot patsies of all time.

  • Michael

    The situation at Bountiful BC has been in existence for many years prior to the law allowing SSM. Many a BC attorney general has dismissed the idea of trying to prosecute, again for many years prior to SSM.

    SSM allows equal civil rights for all citizens. Polygamy will likely be ruled legal because of the right to religious freedom contained in the Charter. The only chance that it will be ruled illegal is because polygamy often contains an element of coercion.

    One can therefore be certain that this has nothing to do with SSM. It pre-exists SSM and it might become legal as a result of the Charter of Rights granting religious freedom.

  • Eric

    “…in the province of Ontario thousands of polygamous men receive welfare payments for each of their wives.”

    Can you please cite your source on this one?

  • http://gapingwhole.wordpress.com/ Em.

    I would think, that in order to argue, constitutionally speaking of course, that polygamy is contrary to Canadian values, you would have to prove that it causes some harm.

    And considering that if it were legalized and secularized, women would have the right to multiple husbands, I don’t know that the harm to women argument stands against polygamy in theory.

  • I’ve read about it also

    I read a story in the Star around three months ago,about a Muslim man receiving welfare payments for multiple wives. That’s the only one I personally read about, but if there’s one, there’s more. Count on it.

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  • Keith Marshall

    Its not so much the fact that consenting adults are choosing to marry the same man, but rather what has been proven to occur in communities that have this rampant. Young women in these communities are going to be taken advantage of, that is a fact. They already are and have been. By legalizing this we are only dooming these and future children/adolescence. Either play by the clearly written rules of my country or get out.

    • http://gapingwhole.wordpress.com/ Em.

      Or, by legalizing polygamy, we would be able to provide protection to these women. One of the big problems dealing with domestic violence is getting women to report the violence, to testify and to stop returning to the violent relationship (cycle of abuse and all).

      These women, if they ask for help, for whatever reason, they are risking their entire family and probably their entire community.

      Not to mention, legalizing polygamy means it goes the other way around: one women, multiple husbands. Not that I can imagine WHY anyone would want that.

  • huckleby

    Mr. Steyn says that marriage used to be between a man and a woman, period. But he neglects to mention that it used to be between a man and a woman OF THE SAME RACE, period. It was only 50 years ago when anti-mysogeny laws were enforced in some states.

    Social changes are not ALWAYS a bad thing. The “slippery slope” argument is sophistry – it is a scare tactic that can be applied against any and all social changes.

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  • Toby

    This entire thread fails to recognize that Polygamy is already legal in Canada, BC just doesn’t know it yet.
    For example, immigrants (Polygamous families) may enter Canada and even be considered married in Ontario Family Law if their Polygamous unions occured in a place that recognizes Polygamy. Saskatchewan recognizes polygamous unions under Section 51 of their family property act and judges there have even forced men to become the conjugal partners of married women! If the governement there was going to prosecute the polygamists using the Criminal Code, they would have done it when the persons stood up in court and claimed to have same time plural unions. ( judges and attorney generals there argued that no person has the right to NIOT be the spouse of a person who has a spouse).
    So, if a polygamous group from Saskatchewan wants to get married ( or live common law with identical priviledges) they can then move to Ontario and continue to have more recognized and legal conjugal relationships because their initial unions took place and were recognized in the province of Saskatchewan.( which recognizes plural unions)
    Why is it all the forward growth comes from one of Canada’s smallest provinces?

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