Comments on: Plan B for global warming

By: sarah

sarah — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:20:44 +0000

i like the way jonathon sayes it it help people alot when thet need some thing its all here to help them with there work

By: Gaunilon

Gaunilon — Tue, 05 May 2009 17:32:27 +0000

My thinking is to invest in the technology (this can’t hurt; know-how is always useful), not the dikes and dams themselves, until/unless the problem actually manifests itself. If the problem turns out to be fictional then this leaves no downside, while if the problem turns out to be real then we have a solution in hand. This is far better than ruining the atmosphere on a hunch.

By: sf

sf — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:23:45 +0000

Meant to write:

These are the same people who claim the arctic is warming because they have observed reductions in sea ice.

By: sf

sf — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:22:32 +0000

No it isn’t, your source is wrong. It has been shown in numerous studies that antarctica is cooling. That page has been selective with data (it uses a single source, Zhang 2007, which is obviously a flawed study because it contradicts all the others).

“Antarctic sea ice is growing despite a warming Southern Ocean”

Ha, did they actually write that? These are the same people who claim the arctic is cooling because they have observed reductions in sea ice. Hilarious.

By: sf

sf — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:17:50 +0000

Maybe if the sea-level were actually rising that would be a good idea.

By: Gaunilon

Gaunilon — Tue, 05 May 2009 16:04:45 +0000

Here’s a thought: rather than messing with the earth’s climate and causing another ice age, why don’t we invest in breakwaters/dikes for coastal cities? It’s not exactly new technology; Holland has been doing it successfully for centuries. It would be both cheaper and less risky.

Also, if global warming turns out to be a politically driven error (as I suspect it will, given that the earth has actually cooled for the past decade) this course would be a lot easier to reverse than a cloud of pollutants in the atmosphere.

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By: Horatio

Horatio — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:41:06 +0000

What scares me is people like this guy are allowed to vote. . . and reproduce. . .

By: Robin Wolff

Robin Wolff — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:10:17 +0000

I agree with sf.

Lookup chaos theory and most likely you will find weather and climate described as chaotic systems. It’s simply beyond our full understanding, making any prediction based on a deterministic model an educated guess. Even if every last scientist in the field could agree one on climate model, wouldn’t it take at least a thousand years of scientific observation to validate the underlying theories?

What I find most interesting in this debate is how a group of astral physicists studying surface temperatures on the other planets have been largely ignored. They have observed surface temperatures on Mars, for example have been rising and falling just as they have on Earth. They have concluded that solar radiance plays the greatest role in determining climate and predict a cooling trend form 2010 to 2040. Furthermore it appears recent data, as SF suggests, does indeed support the notion that it’s getting cooler. Perhaps this is an “inconvient truth” for climatologists.

I’m all for reducing waste and excess. Looking after the only habitat available to us for the forseeable future just makes sense. There is no shortage of examples in human history of advanced civilisations coming to screeching halt when their consumption of natural resources outpaced the environment’s ability to replenish them.

By: Prime8

Prime8 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:10:47 +0000

And you are an intellectual superior quite obviously!

By: tropical canada

tropical canada — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:02:38 +0000

stop talking to hear your own voice

By: tropical canada

tropical canada — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:01:59 +0000

PRIME 8 IS A LOSER!!!!!!!

By: Pierre Champagne

Pierre Champagne — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:54:02 +0000

How many people will die if we overshoot cooling targets? Environmental literature has many examples of people trying to manipulate the environment with disastrous consequences. We already have low-tech solutions which are much safer: revenue-neutral taxation. An example of a system based on it is outlined at Cap-and-Trade Alternative Solutions. The structural strategy discussed could be more powerful than cap-and-trade and handle a host of environmental issue. Tags: global warming alternative strategies

By: wayne moores

wayne moores — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:06:58 +0000

Well after ten years of global cooling I guess it just isn’t cool enough. I would love to get a straight answer from the “global warming” crowd as to what actual global temperature would be suitable for them. At times though history the Earth has been warmer and the Earth has been cooler. No one every seems to ask this most basic question. Where the hell do all the alarmist want this to end. Does the Northern Hemisphere have to be incased in ice 12 months of the year like it has in the past to please them? I really doubt they have an answer as they are too busy peddling their new eco-religion. Cheers

By: kip

kip — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:06:10 +0000

After enduring this past winter on the Prairies, we could do with a little global warming, not cooling!!

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By: Scott M.

Scott M. — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:02:27 +0000

If I recall some of the old Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes dealing with terraforming, if you make even the slightest error — Oops! — you destroy the planet.

Let’s hope they got that wrong.

By: peimac13

peimac13 — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:59:09 +0000

Seems to play out between those who can accept the planet is changing, those who can’t and those who think if we disappeared that the dinosaurs would roam again. OK that’s harsh but I’m lost when some think we can turn the clock back without breaking some eggs to make the omelet.

By: Prime8

Prime8 — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:29:59 +0000

http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/home/
I guess after reading about these scams for thirty years i’ve become jaded

By: Prime8

Prime8 — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:18:35 +0000

I just can’t believe spraying particulates into the atmosphere is a viable option!? seems counter intuitive. What if we find out those very particulates end up being a genetic mutagen? Can you guarantee the cancer rates wont jump more than they are? Or is that the real agenda?

By: Critical Reasoning

Critical Reasoning — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:12:57 +0000

It makes perfect sense for us to investigate all the options. If you’re serious about mitigating the impact of greenhouse gases, why not investigate all the technological solutions, instead of liking some and arbitrarily rejecting others based on spurious reasoning? How any sincere global warming activist could reject possible solutions like nuclear power is completely beyond me.

It is completely reasonable to investigate “Plan B” style technological solutions. Eventually many themes of science fiction will become science fact, and terraforming is one of them. The most pessimistic climate change scientists are also those who will most readily admit that global warming is inevitable (i.e. if we were magically able to cease all greenhouse gas emissions tomorrow, we still couldn’t prevent global warming.) If global warming is truly inevitable, it makes sense to research technology that could substantially mitigate its effects.

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By: T.Thwim

T.Thwim — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:16:55 +0000

Damn those inconvenient facts getting in the way of your mindless belief, eh? As for your myth that antarctica is cooling? Already debunked.

By: T.Thwim

T.Thwim — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:15:01 +0000

Of course they do. But there’s only so much plants can do at a time, and, oddly enough, the plant-life we had developed to be in equilibrium with the natural emissions of CO2. The problem is, we’re pulling it up from down in the ground and putting it out into the atmosphere a hell of a lot faster than plants can adapt. Which gives us a net-gain in CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which traps more solar energy here on the planet, which makes it too hot for the plants to grow well.

By: peimac13

peimac13 — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:39:21 +0000

Do it now or wait for another New Orleans or Alexandria; their choice.

By: Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

Andrew (not Potter or Coyne) — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:30:14 +0000

Many of the worlds cities are close to sea level. Thus, as seas rise, they will be flooded, leading to enormous expense in rebuilding.

By: peimac13

peimac13 — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:30:19 +0000

We aren’t we focusing more on adapting things for change? Weather it be cooling on some regions or warming in others? Almost all of the argument for or against the idea of climate change are conservative. Wanting to keep things the way they are or the way they want them. Imagine how much more we could do with our lives if energy was cleaner faster and took less to produce? Ideas for food production and storage beyond refrigeration and chemical stasis.
So many ideas and technologies stall or die because of conservative thinking. Maybe we should try moving forward for a change instead of sideways.

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By: Kyle Bailey

Kyle Bailey — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:53:02 +0000

Errrr….you mean the 30% growth in the Southern Martian Ice cap that occurs……every Martian winter?

Or perhaps you’re talking about year to year changes in albedo that occur as a result of dust storms?

By: Prime8

Prime8 — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:43:04 +0000

Ohh and btw… how has the ice caps on mars been affected by our activities? same or not the same? Has or has not the ice cap grown 30% this year? do you know the answer? Do you know about the thing in the sky called the sun? it’s pretty big. Might have some slight effects on our temp, i’m not too sure though.

By: Prime8

Prime8 — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:40:48 +0000

Actually YOU should do more reading, because, I know that No2 will be the next ‘evil’ gas to be attacked by the enviro zombies. Pull your head gently out of the medias ass and think for yourself.
How do you figure our food doesn’t come from plants? are you insane? Wow this really has become bizzaro land.

By: wayne moores

wayne moores — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:26:35 +0000

As the late great George Carlin said on his take about people “saving the planet”.(it’s a hoot, have a look on U-Tube for it),” haven’t we done enough already, it was all this meddling that got us here in the first place? Can’t we just leave well enough alone?” This whole bloody idea is preposteous. I just smell another eco-scam from another bunch of hucksters attempting to access taxpayers money from gutless politicians who will do anything to look “green” and buy votes. I have a vision of Al Gore setting up another company to suck up more money like his carbon credit company is doing now. I cannot believe how gullible people are. We just got rid of the televangalists in time for the eco-evangalists to take their place. One buch of snake oil salesmen after another it seems.

By: green_tea

green_tea — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:31:37 +0000

CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas, there is also nitrous oxide, which can heat up the atmosphere faster than CO2. You can’t produce larger plants with just CO2, you need nutrients from the soils and steady temperature-ranges, or else you won’t have any plants. Plants don’t produce all the food most of hte people on Earth eat. Moreover, plants are extremely sensitive to the slightest changes in temperature and humidity. You should do more reading.

By: RJM

RJM — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:29:00 +0000

The “Pan Evaporation Rate’ studies that have been going on for decades indicate that the ‘other’ pollutant most affecting climate is in fact increasing. Particulate matter is actually lessening the amount of sunlight reaching the surface (in some places by as much as 30-40%). The day of and after 911 when all air travel was grounded in North America, the skies became intensely blue and clear across the entire continent. ‘Climate change’ is in fact a push-pull going on between the warming from increased CO2 emissions and the ‘cooling’ resulting from higher levels of particulate matter (read coal fired power plants,etc) If one were to turn down (or even temporarily off) the cooling from all the particulate matter already in the atmosphere, the ‘tug of war’ would favor the warming from CO2 and we would experience runaway warming. It isn’t, therefore ONE thing, ie ‘CO2′ that is at work here. This planetary weather system is much more complicated with many more moving parts than our supercomputers can handle. Tinkering around with the atmosphere instead of addressing the major climate inputs will only make maters worse I fear!

By: sf

sf — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:26:57 +0000

“Spurred by new data suggesting global warming is progressing faster”

Yeah, this new data is about as real as the Easter bunny.

They make a big deal that one part of Antarctica is warming and neglect to mention the continent as a whole is cooling. They neglect to mention the world as a whole is cooling.

This new data is hogwash.

This is the biggest scam in history.

By: Prime8

Prime8 — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:14:26 +0000

So plants don’t breathe CO2? We are not carbon based life forms? Is everything I was taught wrong? Does not pumping Co2 into a greenhouse produce larger plants faster? ie.. more food for us? Is this for real? Why must you publish lies and propaganda? Why must we put up with this in Canada? SHAME on you

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