On Ignatieff's speech

by Andrew Coyne on Saturday, May 2, 2009 10:12pm - 77 Comments

iggycoronationIt’s clear that Ignatieff intends to ignore mounting media calls to spell out in detail what he stands for. And it’s equally clear from today’s speech that he doesn’t think he needs to — not now, certainly, and perhaps not ever. What he seems to have decided, perhaps based on recent polls, is that the “longing for change” he detects in the public is not necessarily about a change of direction, but a change of tone.

There isn’t a lot of room these days between the Liberals and the Conservatives on policy, especially after the Tories proposed, and the Liberals endorsed, the January budget. And the public keeps signalling to pollsters they’re more or less content with the government’s handling of the economy.

So Ignatieff’s speech promises little more than a more uplifting style of politics, emphasizing patriotism, a national vision, and less overt partisanship — all calculated to play to Harper’s perceived weak points. “A new politics,” he puts it, “that replaces spite and spin with civility and common purpose.”

Aside from that, well, as I say it’s pretty thin. The only specific policy commitment I could find was “a common national standard for employment insurance.” Otherwise, it’s just a laundry list of things it would be nice to have: A Canada where every child gets an equal start! Where every student who gets the grades gets to go to the best education in the world! Where no Canadian ever has to struggle with the burden of illiteracy! Where no Canadian with a disability faces obstacles… As I listened, I found myself mentally reciting the words to Big Rock Candy Mountain:

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
There’s a land that’s fair and bright,
Where the handouts grow on bushes
And you sleep out every night.
Where the boxcars are all empty
And the sun shines every day
On the birds and the bees
And the cigarette trees,
The lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

Still, if you don’t pay too much attention to the words, it’s an appealing melody, full of ambition and idealism. His hope for Canada, he says, is “that we surprise ourselves, that we astonish ourselves. And that we astonish the world.” The country has a “moral purpose,” and that is “to teach tolerance and diversity and citizenship to a tormented world.” Canada is a “serious country… you ask us to do something hard and we will never let you down.” Though hardly controversial, these are nevertheless deliberate choices — he could have emphasized other qualities, other themes — and they are, to my way of thinking, the right ones.

But he’s digging himself in to a thoroughly contradictory position — if position is the word — on national unity. On the one hand, that we are “one people,” united in purpose and called to do great things together. On the other, usually said in French, that “you can belong in the order you choose” — Canada first, (your province here) second, or (oh who are we kidding, Quebec) first, Canada second. He has used this formulation now on several occasions, so it’s obviously meant to be a signal statement of his approach to the national question, to follow recognition of the Quebec “nation.” Which is to say confusion, pandering and capitulation.

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  • http://deleted Sandi

    Hmm…..it was okay prior to the 2006 election that Harper didn’t put out policy. He waited until the campaign and put out bit of policy daily.

    C’mon – is it okay for Harper because you are a conservative, but not okay for Ignatieff?

    • Adam

      I’m inclined to agree with this. It would have been nice to see more specifics, but there was really almost no reason for him to do so tonight. And I think Andrew is being a tad paranoid when he suggests such specifics will never come. Of course they will. Only a clear front runner can afford to run a campaign completely devoid of substance, and for all his strengths, that will not be Ignatieff.

      • http://deleted Sandi

        I’ve become totally disillusioned by the “opinion” pundits after seeing an interview with David Frum last night about conservatism and his reference to Coyne, Harper and himself knowing each other and being friends for years..

        Seems you can’t count on anyone to have a non-partisan view anymore.

        Nope, won’t buy any publication that is partisan driven – in either direction.

        Any real reporting of facts and the voice of the people anymore – just opinion, spin, gotcha, opinion, spin and gotcha.

        And, we subsidize these publications?

        • Mike T.

          If you just became disillusioned with opionated pundits on May 2, 2009, I admire your optimism and sunny ways.

  • Critical Reasoning

    Coyne nails it. Ignatieff has strategically retreated to the default Liberal position of issuing vague, fluffy assertions of ideals without the policy specifics to back them up.

    • Wandering

      “Ignatieff has strategically retreated to the default Liberal position of issuing vague, fluffy assertions of ideals without the policy specifics to back them up.”

      Heh. “Critical Reasoning” indeed.

      • Critical Reasoning

        Indeed. Here’s a tip: your attempts at criticism would be much more persuasive if you used actual arguments and details and stuff.

        • Wandering

          “Physician health thyself.”

          There was no “argument” in that last statement of yours. And you might want to reflect on the formulation “issuing assertions.” Makes you look like you’re trying too hard.

    • hosertohoosier

      The same default position that since 1896 has enabled them to govern 79 out of 113 years (70%)?

  • Jean Proulx

    RE: But he’s digging himself in to a thoroughly contradictory position — if position is the word — on national unity. On the one hand, that we are “one people,” united in purpose and called to do great things together. On the other, usually said in French, that “you can belong in the order you choose” — Canada first, (your province here) second, or (oh who are we kidding, Quebec) first, Canada second. He has used this formulation now on several occasions, so it’s obviously meant to be a signal statement of his approach to the national question, to follow recognition of the Quebec “nation.” Which is to say confusion, pandering and capitulation.

    ———————

    Andrew, you just don’t get it. National unity is not a zero sum game. Recognition of Quebec doesn’t HAVE to be harmful to Canadian interests. A person doesn’t HAVE to choose between being Canadian and Québecois. You can be both things at the same time. I know because I am.

    That doesn’t mean there won’t be a certain tension or, if you prefer, “confusion” when one has multiple identities and loyalties, but that kind of compexity is with us to stay in a complex, post-modern world. You see this as a problem. I see it as perfectly healthy, and an opportunity to think in a more creative way about citizenship and national identity.

    I know how much you adore things to be in nice, black//white ideological boxes, but your approach on this question is exactly the wrong one for a country like Canada. It is YOUR rigidity, and the rigidity of others think like you, that is divisive and harmful to Canadian national unity.

    Re-examine your underlying assumptions.

  • Wandering

    I never thought I’d miss Andrew Coyne’s personal blog, the concentrated winguttery of which found within made it unreadable. Little did I know it would find a permanent home in the only mainstream pan-Canadian news and current affairs magazine in Canada. What. A. Tragedy.

    Heh. If anyone’s interested, Linda Quaig disses Little Lord Fauntleroy over at Canadian Voices.

    • Critical Reasoning

      the concentrated winguttery of which found within made it unreadable.

      Speaking of “unreadable”…

      • Wandering

        That was clumsy and inelegant. I’ll try to do better, especially with the school marm Critikal Reesoning on patrol.

        • Critical Reasoning

          Wandering, that’s wonderful news. All I ask is that you at least try.

          • Wandering

            Like this?

            “Ignatieff has strategically retreated to the default Liberal position of issuing vague, fluffy assertions of ideals without the policy specifics to back them up.”

            I don’t think any amount of “trying” on my part could ever yield a statement as fatuous as this. I’m just not that practised.

            *snort*

          • Critical Reasoning

            Frankly, I’m impressed that you know how to use a word like “fatuous”. That’s more than I expected, based on the rest of your output.

          • Wandering

            Nice try. Doesn’t change the fact that it was embarrassingly fatuous statement. Vacuous, in fact.

          • Critical Reasoning

            Ooh, somebody figured out how to use a thesaurus! Now let’s work on your reading comprehension.

  • http://www.windyroom.wordpress.com truemuse

    Where does the fear of national disunity come from? The Bloc is not a separtist threat. I try to remember that at the time of the Treaty of Versailles there were 90 thousand habitants and scant englishmen here. When the 40 thousand Americans and British came there was still alot more french people here, with no representative government. It’s not that long ago. 1783. If you think of history in 50 year time periods, chart the changes over 50 years, since War of Independence, the place of Quebec, in history is one of UNITY. The border was drawn for the American nation with Quebec as the foil for it all. You know, Quebec is special. It’s notable historically for all kinds of reasons? So what. Can’t we just pay attention to that without fearing disunity?

    • BCer in mtl

      Treaty of Versailles? I think you are referring to Peace of Paris . . . Versailles was 1919.

      That said the idea of looking at ‘big picture’ tranches in that argument is misplaced . . . as communication and connectivity exponentially increase, the amount of small national entities wanting to be their own masters on the world stage increases . . . look at how many new states have been created within the last 20 yrs, not to mention all the ongoing civil wars to do same. Quebec is not immune to the same forces (of wanting their own state, not of violent separation, allowing that there are minuscule fringe elements in any situation), and taking ther unity within Canada for granted is a reckless approach.

      • http://www.windyroom.wordpress.com truemuse

        Yes I meant the Treaty of Paris , but it’s not totally my mistake, Ramsay Cook (or his publisher) made it first in “Canada: A Modern Study” published in 1963. Can’t believe anything you read…
        That said, I think Cook’s other points are well taken (forget mine…)
        In 1963, Cook said that it was ‘miraculous’ that Canada was still one country that included Quebec. Almost 50 years later, where is Quebec? In Canada.
        From the turn of the last century until the 50′s — Quebec — no problems there, right?
        The 1800 to 1900 — where was Quebec??
        From 1763 to 1800: The American’s forged their sense of Nationalism by aligning with France in the 10 years following. French was ‘good’ in the States. Quebec didn’t move to join the American colonists in that 50 year period and so the border of America was made. Quebec struggles along (in one place), In Canada.
        So moving up to Today.
        You think the Americans would look the other way if Quebec tried to separate? They’d buy it first.
        Quebec can’t separate. It’s impossible in this period of history that we are living in. Either, they would join the US or they stay. It’s too risky right now to mess with the borders in North America. So your argument that it could happen here kind of misses that Big Picture.

      • http://www.windyroom.wordpress.com truemuse
  • john g

    It’s clear that Ignatieff intends to ignore mounting media calls to spell out in detail what he stands for. And it’s equally clear from today’s speech that he doesn’t think he needs to — not now, certainly, and perhaps not ever. What he seems to have decided, perhaps based on recent polls, is that the “longing for change” he detects in the public is not necessarily about a change of direction, but a change of tone.

    Didn’t somebody just get elected using that formula recently?

  • kc

    I hope AC wasn’t mocking that poem, it’s one of my favs ; i particularly like the part where the dogs have rubber teeth and jails are made of tin, so’s soon as they put you in, you can bust right out agin. Hangin the Turk who invented work was good too, although i’m surprised it hasn’t been sanitized by some busybody.
    I too am a little confused on where Ignatieff really stands on national unity. He often wraps himself in the Trudeau mantle, but i find this a little disingenuous if not outright distasteful. The Trudeau doctrine [ can you call it that?] and ” nation within a nation” seem to me to be mutually exclusive. He should at least be honest about this and state his case unequivically, and stop fawning over the Trudeau legend, while espousing views that are dissonant, at the very least. The saving grace for Ignatieff, is that his principle opponent is at least, if not more, as opportunistic and ruthless in throwing overboard convictions long held – Ignatieff has at least the virtue of offering a vision of Canadian unity that he has presumably, spent some time thinking through ; [ however speciously IMHO] Harper, on the other hand seems simply to be a political streetwalker, who’s prepared to fly any flag of convenience, as long as it brings him to a port named majority.

  • will

    This is new politics. “Ideas” are a very 20th century concept, AC, that are more a liability than platform. I can’t think of any major “idea” -flat tax? national daycare? legal pot? carbon tax?- that wouldn’t just provide soundbites to bite their issuer in the ass in some add.

    The new world is about feelings, gut instincts that convince the voter that even if they know nothing about the relevant topic, they are right. Everything else is incidental.

    • sf

      There is no new world. Nothing has changed.

      • dan in van

        Certainly you’re due to a diaper change.

  • sf

    I’m a little confused by this resolution: “Reducing poverty by 30 per cent and child poverty by 50 per cent within five years”

    Why aren’t they reducing poverty by 100%, both child and adult? Do they not intend to fight poverty seriously?

    • dan in van

      Why don’t you ask the current gov’t about this. It was not part of any policy or election platform, so some how it lies lower than their ‘tough on crime (if a photo op is adviseable), but not necessarily tough on crime’ meme.

      • avr

        It was a rhetorical question, and thus not one you can really deflect like that.

        The correct and non-juvenile response is “Well, of course government can’t eradicate poverty by fiat, because as a relative condition it must always exist by definition, and in any event percentage targets are meaningless expressions of good intentions.” Not “WAAAAAH TORIES BAD.”

        • Social Liberal

          No. It’s a good question. And not a rhetorical one in the slightest.

          Why isn’t the current government doing this? And if they in fact, are doing something about poverty besides staying the course with welfare and IE, why don’t they say something about it?

          Poverty must not always exist by definition. If you define poverty by lack of basic needs such as food, clean water, education, healthcare, housing and basic amenities, than we *can* conquer poverty. So why wouldn’t the conservatives campaign on such a noble cause? Because they want people filled with disdain for your fellow Canadian, people like *you* to vote for them.

          • avr

            If you define poverty by lack of basic needs such as food, clean water, education, healthcare, housing and basic amenities, than we *can* conquer poverty.

            It’s really touching that you believe that.

            To get back to the point, then, why shouldn’t the Liberals claim they can reduce poverty by 100%? I mean, surely that wouldn’t bespeak just as delusional and unrealistic a perspective as the meaningless figures of 30% and 50%, right? If it’s plausible to completely “conquer” poverty, then why are the Liberals such heartless bastards that they only care to make plans reducing it by anything less than 100%?

          • sf

            Thank you avr, for understanding the point, which is apparently too elusive for our “social liberal” or “dan in van” to grasp with their partisan-stained thinking.

            Social Liberal, when you have figured out how to eliminate poverty from Canada, then please spread this knowledge to other jurisdictions, so that you may eliminate poverty from the world. I suggest you start with Africa, and please, don’t restrict yourself to a rather immoral 30/50 solution- what about the other 70/50!!! What they really need is a 100% elimination of poverty. And if you have some free time after that, maybe you could provide all Canadians with a big-screen TV.

          • sf

            Expanding my point…

            1. If they intend to pick numbers out of a hat, why not 100%?
            2. If they are not picking numbers out of a hat, where did 30/50 come from? (crickets chirping)
            3. They repeatedly make promises like this that amount to absolutely nothing in reality. For instance, the federal Liberal government in 1993 committed itself to a strategy to eliminate child poverty by the year 2000. What happened? Child poverty went up 20%.
            4. if it is possible to reduce poverty by simply deciding to do so, why is there poverty in the world? I think if you polled the human race, everyone would agree that poverty is bad. So why do Liberals have such arrogance to think they have some sort of monopoly on compassion? Why do people fall for the travelling salesman routine (this vacuum cleaner will change your life!), that if only Liberals were elected, then poverty would go down.

            This 30/50 resolution is the height of arrogance.

  • Stephen

    Otherwise, it’s just a laundry list of things it would be nice to have:

    There’s a reason Tommy Douglas described Liberals as people who had a wishbone where their backbone ought to be.

  • http://www.taxpayer.com Kevin Gaudet

    Ignatieff did not do it last night but he has taken a few clear positions:
    he will consider tax hikes for budget balancing;
    he will consider raising the GST;
    he will build a high speed rail link from Windsor to Quebec City;
    he will impose a national government funded, state-run daycare system;
    he will not take riftles and shotguns off of the gun registry.

    There are many policy questions for Mr. Ignatieff to answer but let us not lose sight of the policies he is issuing – or their expense, by the way.

    • Social Liberal

      Or their revenue.

      We cut taxes like, what. $36 billion a year, and all of a sudden we have a shortfall of oh… $40 billion a year? No wonder there’s a such an enormous deficit! I guess we’ll just do away with the health care system to pay for these tax cuts.

      Tax cuts for the sake of tax cuts. It’s a big pill, and it sure worked! But the side effects are terrible, and what was the ailment?

      Day care, although progressive and costly, is actually an effective idea for providing daycare to working families. Handing out tax credits at the end of the year however is NOT effective. At least they have an idea with substance.

      • avr

        what was the ailment?

        Big government. It’s called “starving the beast.” Try to keep up.

        • Conan the Agrarian

          Examples of countries with “big government” syndrome: Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, USA, Australia, Finland, Norway, South Korea, Japan.

          Examples of countries with small government, where the beast is starved: Sierra Leone, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and every other chaotic shit-hole in which your life isn’t worth a twenty-five-cent vaccine shot and the cops vie with the politicians to loot the people.

          Try to keep up.

      • sf

        is actually an effective idea for providing daycare to working families

        Nothing about a big government program is ever effective. It’s because every government program is a monopoly that lacks innovation, competition, incentive to improve, and incentive for customer service. This has been proven time and time again throughout history all over the world.

        • Maureen

          Absolutely right – there are very few things that the federal government can provide that the private sector cannot provide cheaper, faster and with better customer service. In fact the federal government should only be providing defense, foreign affairs, criminal/civil justice, revenue tax collection and international trade – that’s it, that’s all. For example, daycare is a family responsibility, and maybe the employer’s responsibility, that at best should be handled through the tax system so that parents can make the decision about how and what they want to pursue in the way of daycare.

          • kc

            Yeah, that $ioo per child really fixed things didn’t it?

          • sf

            So KC, you are arguing that waiting 10 years for a low-quality daycare spot is preferable to $100? And that forcing stay-at-home parents to pay for the daycare of other families is fair? Fine.

          • kc

            sf
            Actually i have no problem with the delivery of the cash to parents, that was an inequity that needed fixing[ give Harper credit there]. However, the fact remains that $100/child is a joke. They didn’t even tie it in to the child benefit , the consequence being that some of that money is taxed back from people who do need it. Because of the way the tax system is set up someone with a substantial income could keep all of the money, while a family with a lower income could lose most of that money. And, as i said, the amount was a joke
            I’m not personally aware of people waiting ten years – i certainly didn’t – [ maybe i was lucky]. And i’m tired of this ridiculous arguement that state subsidized daycare is inferior. My child had the benefit of both larger state subsidized care, and private local care – both had their good points. Obviously rhe larger centre had more to offer in the way of programmes. This issue isn’t a partisan one for me, not political anyway. Yes sending cash to families was an improvement, but as with everything this govt does, they weren’t serious, it was yet more boutique politics, which i despise.

      • mge

        Daycare…is actually an effective idea for providing daycare to working families….

        Wow, i’ve never seen logic so circular and nonsensical since…well ever.

        The fact is the Liberals have promised a fully nationalized daycare system in elections 93, 97, 2000, 2004, 2006 and 2008. That includes 3 majority governments, one minority and two losses.

        When asked how much this program would cost, the Liberals said last year that they were still working on their plan and didn’t have a full cost estimate.

        Forgive me for being a little skeptical about their good intentions (we know what they say about those). 15 years they’ve been working on this plan. I just wish people would realize that they were never and will never do this. Why? because it is a costly monstrosity of an idea that will simply not work.

    • Zoé

      Wow. You are a spin-master aren’t you? You went to the convention to fish for dirt and if you can’t find any, you spin some I guess…

  • I’m voting for Wink Martindale

    These comments are hilarious…. It’s almost as though the posters believe there’s some substance to any of this slather of triple-speak. It’s spin-doctor nonsense and absolutely nothing more. They couldn’t care less about the tiny percentage of voters who have a single clue what’s going on. Golly-gee Martha look at this…… if we vote for Tom Slick we get tons of free stuff and he’s going to fix all of the country’s problems too. He’s our man !!!! His marketing gurus know only too well that to say ANYTHING is to get challenged later. Just ask the Obama team. He got elected without saying anything except “we have chosen hope over fear” and “it’s time to reaffirm our commitment to the future” Sounds good pal, too bad it’s complete garbage !!!! The normal drivel we get from these characters gets even worse when they detect an opportunity to grab power based on the dissatisfaction directed at the current leader. Then it really becomes time to talk in circles. Why take a chance on getting called-out on anything? Fortunately, our capacity remains undiminished and greatness is never a gift, it must be earned. Someone hand the paper towel, I think I stepped in something.

    • Derek Pearce

      I’m voting for Chuck Woolery!

    • Diogenes

      LOL ! Good one.

    • Conan the Agrarian

      Your analysis is correct – politicians avoid saying anything specific about policy, because they know that NO MATTER WHAT THEY PROPOSE, the opposition and the “gotcha” element in the media will find that one crotchety grandpa who will rant that the policy in question will Destroy The Country and End Life As We Know It. So, a smart politician plays his cards close to his chest and deals in vague feel-good platitudes. But it’s a mistake to think that this implies that a guy like Ignatieff actually has no policies in mind, or that he’s just an empty suit. He didn’t invent the game of “gotcha”, but he has to play by its rules. Ultimately our decision comes down to whether Ignatieff or Harper is more likely to lead the country broadly in directions we, as individual voters, would prefer. Sneering cynicism is not particularly helpful here.

      • Noobie

        I politely disagree. Sneering cynicism is the last best defence against empty rhetoric.

        Without sneering cynicism the only thing left is hope. And hope, at least in Canadian politics, inevitably leads to disappointment.

      • I’m voting for Wink Martindale

        Sounds good, but really when was the last time that any government anything proved to be a benefit to you? I think I know the answer. Truth is, we caved-in to an historic tax rip-off and now all of these clowns are just vying for a chance to take the first swipe at the pot-of-gold. We have infomercial politics now whether we like it or not. Telling the truth about the state of things and the impact they can have on it, is a certain failure, politically. It’s down to “lose 50 lbs in 14 days” and “learn the guitar in two weeks” ……. No lies = no votes……. Nothing will change regardless of the party in power. It’s pathetic but true.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    “The country has a “moral purpose,” and that is “to teach tolerance and diversity and citizenship to a tormented world.”

    Why am I not surprised this kind of arrogance is displayed by Libs. First of all, countries don’t have moral purposes because they don’t have thoughts or emotions.

    Secondly, what exactly are we so great at that we need to be the world’s conscience? Should we teach the world how to create third world conditions for natives, or how to set up a system for speedy delivery of passports of convenience, or how we like to label people by ethnicity and try to keep them in their proper place, or how we have no ethnic minorities in positions of power like premiers, prime ministers or senior cabinet members.

    Yes, I can see why Libs think we have lots to teach the world.

    • Wandering

      I hope it hurts to be that stupid.

      • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

        It’s relatively pain free, I reckon.

    • sf

      The whole “moral purpose” schtick is really arrogant. It appeals to people who turn to politics in place of religion.

      • Conan the Agrarian

        But SF … religion is a form of politics. Nothing more, and nothing less. The only diff is that priests con people into accepting their authority to determine societally shared narratives and demand conformity to their will as coming from “god”, rather than through irritating procedures like votes and stuff.

    • http://deleted Sandi

      Sure throw the word arrogance around a lot – how do you feel when people call Harper arrogant? Because he is. Many have said so, and many know so.

      • sf

        How do I feel about that? I don’t feel anything, politics is not a therapy session. I just argue what I think is true.

        I don’t think Harper is arrogant, and I especially don’t care if you use the word “know” instead of “think”, as if that makes the statement more valid somehow.

        I find it interesting, that whenever we criticize Ignatieff, everybody wants to talk about Harper instead. It’s like criticism of Ignatieff is off-limits.

        • Derek Pearce

          Is Iggy a poncy arrogant tea-sipping opera loving international jet setter who can’t really relate to laid off factory workers or forced-to-gun-register farmers? Yes, absolutely. Is he still preferable to Harper (the arrogant yet aw-shucks poorly-traveled hardworking family man) as our PM? Yes, absolutely.

          • kc

            Nice summation of the choices on offer. I think i’ll second that.

          • Zoé

            I agree.

  • John

    I think his delivery was pretty good.

    Media commentators never look to Harper for policy, so why only Ignatieff?

  • Fred

    Last week on National TV, Iggy’s Chief of Staff Paul Zed stated that:

    1. Iggy won’t raise taxes

    2. Iggy won’t run a deficit

    3. Iggy will make up the current deficit by “Program Reviews” . . . aka cutting Federal government programs for “Paul” to pay “Peter”

    So Canadians have a right to know what is Iggy’s secret Program Review agenda. How is he going to Program Review/Cut the $35ish Billion current deficit.

    Will he cut:

    Transfers to Provinces ?

    Foreign Aid ?

    National Defense ?

    Support for the Arts ?

    Funds for Arctic Sovereignty ?

    Atlantic Canada job creation ?

    Iggy’s hidden agenda must be addressed by the MSM.

    What ya gonna cut Iggy ?

    What is your secret agenda ?

    • Will

      I’m at least glad that Ignatieff is considering his options to get us out of the hole. Unfortunately, I think our current Prime Minister is still denying we’re in a recession (or was that 2 months ago?). Not sure since he doesn’t tell us what’s going on. He only speaks to the US media as of late. It’s great to listen to the leader of the opposition but I want to hear what Harper will be doing..will he raise taxes or cut programs? He has to do one or the other….or both.

      • Conan the Agrarian

        No, he doesn’t need to do either. Right-wing market-libertarian serve-the-rich anti-tax governments love to run huge deficits, since they do two things: (1) they saddle future governments with huge debts, thus precluding new social spending (deficit-cutting becomes the only priority), and (2) they make the already prosperous even prosperouser, since, after all, the people whom the government is borrowing money FROM are those already rich enough to buy Canada Savings Bonds and whatnot. Thus, deficit financing amounts, on average, to a net transfer of wealth from those future taxpayers who are not prosperous enough to be bond-holders to those who are bond-holders (or their inheritors).

        If you think this is a paranoid conspiracy theory about how agents of capitalism are out to screw the average citizen, then (1) you apparently haven’t heard of Grover Norquist, nor realized that Stephen Harper, back when he was head guy of an anti-tax, anti-big-government, anti-progressive think-tank, was Canada’s equivalent of Grover, and (2) you haven’t been paying attention to the historical record, which consistently has shown progressive governments in the US and Canada to be the fiscally responsible budget balancers and surplus makers (Clinton, Chretien/Martin) in contrast to right-wingers who run up huge deficits by cutting taxes far more than public spending (Reagan, Bush, Mulroney, now Harper). It’s a very clear pattern. You figure it’s just a coincidence?

        • sbt

          What does that make Obama?

          • Conan the Agrarian

            Good question. Basically, he has inherited an incredibly dire fiscal situation from Bush/Norquist, and he’s refusing to play the script laid out for him, i.e. stern fiscal discipline to return the country to surplus, because he’s taken over during a major recession (caused by market libertarians under both Clinton and Bush, who advocated nearly total deregulation of financial markets), a time when nearly every economist is saying that raising taxes or cutting spending would turn the recession into a depression. So he has decided to ignore the growing debt and get his major policy initiatives in place (universal health care, better education, and a start on decarbonising the energy system), damn the torpedoes.

            What he needs to do, on a technical level, is (1) raise taxes as soon as the recession recedes, to balance the budget and generate a current surplus, (2) rein in the Federal Reserve and use its capacity for manipulating the money supply — quantitative easing, and so forth — to either pay for major infrastructure, or gradually reduced the debt (by slowly paying off bonds over many decades with money that is printed rather than taken from taxes, constrained by a clear inflation target of about 1.5%).

            Politically, this will be very hard for him to do, since America’s political culture has been poisoned by the Grover Norquists and other fools who read Ayn Rand as teenagers and never got over it. Americans have been trained like Pavlov’s dog to hate tax increases in all guises, and they don’t understand that gradually raising taxes can actually make everyone richer, provided the money is spent on wealth-supporting services like education, health care, and energy infrastructure — there is no zero sum game between taxes and private incomes in the medium term.

            So perhaps it will be Obama’s successor who raises taxes; or maybe he’ll figure out a way to do it without political collapse, sometime in his second term. It’s a tricky business. Don’t hope for him to fail, though, because if he fails, the USA could collapse into a “small government” country like Mexico or Pakistan, rather than evolve into a “big government” state like Sweden or Germany. Careful what you hope for. OECD surveys make it pretty clear that the balance of public and private shares of a national economy ought to be around fifty-fifty – countries too far off that golden mean are poorer, worse governed, more violent, far less safe, and more corrupt than countries close to the mean. I find empirical evidence a good deal more compelling than puerile Ayn Rand-inspired market-libertarian anti-tax ideological ranting, personally.

          • Stephen

            Or Gordon Brown.

        • Al Heck Brakes

          “Right-wing market-libertarian serve-the-rich anti-tax governments love to run huge deficits”

          You seem to be confused between right-wing market-libertarians, and right-wing libertarian-talking, socialist hypocrites and weasels. Stop listening to the shallow rhetoric. Ignore the meaningless political labels and start paying more attention to what really happens.

          Reagan was a socialist. Both Bush’s were socialists Clinton was a socialist. Harper is a socialist Obama is *really* a socialist. That’s why spending, deficits and debt go up forever and the currency is devalued forever. Well, not actually forever. Only until the currency is next to worthless and the state collapses or is swept away in a revolution.

          • I’m voting for Wink Martindale

            Too true……There is no right-wing anything anymore. All of these so-called neo-cons and right-wing market-libertarians have butchered the ideals of conservatism and exploited whatever they could to gain power. It’s been a depressing sight watching these turncoats raise taxes and expand government, all in the name of conservative politics. How that relates, I’ll never understand. Now the nit-wit public is pointing to these efforts as proof that “neo-cons” have wrecked everything. How pathetic !!!! That Clinton character has brought the world to it’s knees with his “equal access to housing” initiative that created the mortgage crisis and almost flat-lined America’s banks. The other zinger is how the right is automatically associated with invading other countries. Not quite sure how believing in accountability and personal responsibility and a free market connects with attacking people. I say leave them all alone and only engage with other countries once THEY have proven themselves to be sensible and stable. This must be end times and all of these people are grabbing at the spoils before the ship goes down. My guess is a revolution that takes hold over the internet. If people unite, they won’t need guns or swords. A complete “omerta” and disengagement from government would bring it to the point of collapse. Just ignore the bastards and watch them scramble. Sounds like fun to me !!!

  • matt

    If Iggy can get me this part of the song

    “There’s an lake of stew
    and whiskey too
    You can paddle all around them in a big canoe”

    Then he’s got my vote

  • Conan the Blagger

    Mr. Coyne, does recognizing reality amount to pandering and capitulation? Will nationalist Quebecois abandon their identification with les Bleus because some Anglo politician not inclined to “pandering” demands they do so? I don’t think so. I spent my childhood in Quebec, an Anglo-speaking immigrant kid, and I can tell you that Quebecois patriotism has deep and strong roots. To strengthen Canadian patriotism amongst the Quebecois, we need to patiently pursue a strategy of two steps: First, openly recognize and respect reality – the reality that most Quebecois feel more national feeling for Quebec than for Canada. Add to this an open invitation for Quebecois to feel good about their Quebecois patriotism, while adding a sense of Canadian patriotism: define the game as and-and rather than and/or. This is the step Ignatieff is now taking. Second, build a foundation of shared experiences that will strengthen citizens’ commitment to Canada over the long term – for example, common participation in a great national project like decarbonising our energy supply. National service (Katimivik writ large, better funded and managed) that gets young Albertans and other Anglos into Quebec for a year, and vice versa. A network of elite federal secondary schools for the arts and sciences (notwithstanding the constitutional allocation of education to the provincial governments). A visionary activist peace-building foreign policy, Pearsonism 2.0. Supplement this with shared national EI programmes and standards. Fly the Maple Leaf proudly in Quebec, not as a challenge to the Fleur de Lys, but as a reminder that Quebec is at the heart of Canada. This rebuilding of national institutions and re-attachment of Quebeckers to the Canadian flag requires such investments; it won’t happen by itself, and it will take a generation or two to complete. Now get off Ignatieff’s back with this nonsense about “capitulation” and use your opinion-leader function to encourage us all to build those shared national institutions and experiences he’s been talking about. He needs encouragement as much as the next guy.

    • Jean Proulx

      Hear hear. Very well said Conan.

  • oompus boompus

    The entire platforms of both major parties can be summarized with the words of one C. Black

    “Soft, bland, leftist pap”

    Give the voting public the impression that you really care about them and that money grows on trees (while you rifle their pockets).

  • P P

    Mr Coyne, could you research and establish a basic fact we need to know about Iggy: did he pay any Canadian taxes in any year he spent abroad ? Did he release his tax records ?

    If he did pay taxes, he has every right to compete for PM job, but if he did not pay Canadian taxes (whether legal or not) has no right to even be a member of parliament.

  • Dieter Sprockets

    I’ll be interested in heanig what the festering Linda McQuag has to say about him. In one of her rants, In one column, titled,”Good looks, nobel lineage, spineless” She tethered him to the very unpopular George Bush-guilt by association., ” I’m not just referring to Ignatieff’s well-publicized support for George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq and for torture (but only of really bad people). ” but more concerning for McQuiag is what she sees as a guy without feelings and convictions, ” Ignatieff seems to lack convictions, let alone basic human feeling.”

    Linda has tethered Harper to Bush on many occasions for the same reason-see one, see the other.. But what’s most surprising is her feeble and premature attempt to tether Obama to Bush, which she did well before he won the Democratic nomination,”Sadly, however, most of the time, Obama is resolutely in sync with the existing script prepared by Washington power brokers, not even veering far from the Bush White House.

    It’s good that Obama opposes torture. But it’s a reminder of how low the bar has been set that this seems impressive, rather than just an indication he’s not subhuman.

    On keeping his options open to bomb Iran, he’s just as warmongering as Bush. ”

    With Linda going off th deep end re Ignatieff, the good old ultra left leaning Star, may have a problem with conflicting messages.

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