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	<title>Comments on: Superheroes are starting to bug me</title>
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		<title>By: Geoff Small</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117229</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much of a &quot;fanboy&quot; as I am when it comes to most superheroes, I have to admit that, as good or bad as storytelling has been over the years (both in print and on-screen), most of the time characters like ol&#039; Cap, Spidey, Supes and the Bat are usually just forms of escapism. You&#039;ll find no shortage, however, of dissertations out there about the cultural and psychological meaning and importance of these characters, but in the end, the question that should be asked is &quot;are these stories good?&quot;
Whether or not they&#039;re relevant depends on vintage: most superhero stories have a presence and resonance that is meaningful at the time, such as the relevance of X-men during the Civil Rights movement, and then again as North Americans struggle with gay rights issues. Few comic stories from the golden or silver age, as they&#039;re known, escape being &quot;dated,&quot; and the themes and styles (visually as well as narratively) seem campy and even absurd as the years go by.
What Hollywood is cashing in on is more than just superhero escapism: it&#039;s general escapism, where relevance is often lacking anyway. Hollywood is tending toward properties with &quot;proven&quot; audiences. To that end, superhero flicks are safe bets, as are remakes, sequels, sequels of remakes, &quot;reboots,&quot; etc. It&#039;s all about supposedly clever marketing, and very garish efforts to be as risk-averse when it comes to telling stories. Gone - for now, at least - are the days of edgy Hollywood &quot;big tents&quot; that actually encouraged moviegoers to really think about themselves and their world, and maybe even talk to each other about how to improve things. Equally absent are instances of popular entertainment where escapism (sci-fi, typically) is used as a vehicle for overt political and social criticism that is delivered in an accessible way, as had been the case with the original Star Trek series, which was rebooted with much for ADD eyes to feast on and some satisfactory character interaction but little thoughtful discourse in the vein of what Roddenberry&#039;s vision was actually all about at its best.
Hollywood thinks that it may be &quot;off the hook,&quot; in that it can still eke out profits, but it has lost a fundamental raison d&#039;etre in that it has generally abandoned the &quot;untested&quot; stories, and if studios keep avoiding risky, avant garde filmmaking, they are doing everybody a disservice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much of a &#8220;fanboy&#8221; as I am when it comes to most superheroes, I have to admit that, as good or bad as storytelling has been over the years (both in print and on-screen), most of the time characters like ol&#8217; Cap, Spidey, Supes and the Bat are usually just forms of escapism. You&#8217;ll find no shortage, however, of dissertations out there about the cultural and psychological meaning and importance of these characters, but in the end, the question that should be asked is &#8220;are these stories good?&#8221;<br />
Whether or not they&#8217;re relevant depends on vintage: most superhero stories have a presence and resonance that is meaningful at the time, such as the relevance of X-men during the Civil Rights movement, and then again as North Americans struggle with gay rights issues. Few comic stories from the golden or silver age, as they&#8217;re known, escape being &#8220;dated,&#8221; and the themes and styles (visually as well as narratively) seem campy and even absurd as the years go by.<br />
What Hollywood is cashing in on is more than just superhero escapism: it&#8217;s general escapism, where relevance is often lacking anyway. Hollywood is tending toward properties with &#8220;proven&#8221; audiences. To that end, superhero flicks are safe bets, as are remakes, sequels, sequels of remakes, &#8220;reboots,&#8221; etc. It&#8217;s all about supposedly clever marketing, and very garish efforts to be as risk-averse when it comes to telling stories. Gone &#8211; for now, at least &#8211; are the days of edgy Hollywood &#8220;big tents&#8221; that actually encouraged moviegoers to really think about themselves and their world, and maybe even talk to each other about how to improve things. Equally absent are instances of popular entertainment where escapism (sci-fi, typically) is used as a vehicle for overt political and social criticism that is delivered in an accessible way, as had been the case with the original Star Trek series, which was rebooted with much for ADD eyes to feast on and some satisfactory character interaction but little thoughtful discourse in the vein of what Roddenberry&#8217;s vision was actually all about at its best.<br />
Hollywood thinks that it may be &#8220;off the hook,&#8221; in that it can still eke out profits, but it has lost a fundamental raison d&#8217;etre in that it has generally abandoned the &#8220;untested&#8221; stories, and if studios keep avoiding risky, avant garde filmmaking, they are doing everybody a disservice.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117228</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book Black Hawn Down was released in 1999.  The movie was released December 2001.  Filming would have been pre 9/11.  The book took pains to show both sides of the battle.  There is a bit of ra-ra USA in the movie but it is still ultimately about USA running from a Muslim country, very safe Holywood story matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book Black Hawn Down was released in 1999.  The movie was released December 2001.  Filming would have been pre 9/11.  The book took pains to show both sides of the battle.  There is a bit of ra-ra USA in the movie but it is still ultimately about USA running from a Muslim country, very safe Holywood story matter.</p>
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		<title>By: dkite</title>
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		<dc:creator>dkite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 03:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about some true stories?

Fallujah. Where the US rewrote the book on urban warfare. There is a story there. Even the New York Times reporter had a story from that battle. Look it up.

What about the insurgency tactics of putting a small group of marines into the middle of a city. Dangerous, stories to tell. What about the Anbar awakening, and all that led to that? Very interesting, entertaining, and stories of courage all around. Would make great film.

Maybe it is all too fresh. Saving Private Ryan was a great war movie with a very large audience. I&#039;m sure there are some stories to tell from Iraq. True ones, not something made up. In fact, with a bit of digging, no doubt the truth would be stranger and more fantastic than anything one could make up.

Derek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about some true stories?</p>
<p>Fallujah. Where the US rewrote the book on urban warfare. There is a story there. Even the New York Times reporter had a story from that battle. Look it up.</p>
<p>What about the insurgency tactics of putting a small group of marines into the middle of a city. Dangerous, stories to tell. What about the Anbar awakening, and all that led to that? Very interesting, entertaining, and stories of courage all around. Would make great film.</p>
<p>Maybe it is all too fresh. Saving Private Ryan was a great war movie with a very large audience. I&#8217;m sure there are some stories to tell from Iraq. True ones, not something made up. In fact, with a bit of digging, no doubt the truth would be stranger and more fantastic than anything one could make up.</p>
<p>Derek</p>
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		<title>By: Tubularman.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not Coming To A Theater Near You</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117226</link>
		<dc:creator>Tubularman.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not Coming To A Theater Near You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the World (and possibly the Universe), Mark Steyn theorizes in a recent bit that Hollywood’s superhero films are Tinseltown’s cop out instead of showing the real heroes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the World (and possibly the Universe), Mark Steyn theorizes in a recent bit that Hollywood’s superhero films are Tinseltown’s cop out instead of showing the real heroes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: allysontheartist</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117225</link>
		<dc:creator>allysontheartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your name max shinty I thought for a second that the last part was a bad word lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your name max shinty I thought for a second that the last part was a bad word lol!</p>
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		<title>By: ghabeheartsyou</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117224</link>
		<dc:creator>ghabeheartsyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 20:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh go hump a moose. and leave me and my childish obessions with fantasty characters alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh go hump a moose. and leave me and my childish obessions with fantasty characters alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden Taliesin</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117223</link>
		<dc:creator>Aiden Taliesin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to:
You’re just pissed that your talentless country couldn’t even get a team in to the conference finals of the Stanley Cup.

A Canadian is nothing but a Mexican in a sweater.

* yup we got health care -you got guns... do you think we got something you need?  It does no good to blast ppl to ribbons when it costs you your house to get fixed up.

Further, bet you folks wish ya had all that clean fresh water we have lyin&#039; all over too huh? The mid west of yur coutry seems like its a might toasty right now! Snikerz*   Mexico indeed!  in conclusion&quot;bite me!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to:<br />
You’re just pissed that your talentless country couldn’t even get a team in to the conference finals of the Stanley Cup.</p>
<p>A Canadian is nothing but a Mexican in a sweater.</p>
<p>* yup we got health care -you got guns&#8230; do you think we got something you need?  It does no good to blast ppl to ribbons when it costs you your house to get fixed up.</p>
<p>Further, bet you folks wish ya had all that clean fresh water we have lyin&#8217; all over too huh? The mid west of yur coutry seems like its a might toasty right now! Snikerz*   Mexico indeed!  in conclusion&#8221;bite me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Four Color Media Monitor</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117222</link>
		<dc:creator>The Four Color Media Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 17:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mark Steyn on superhero movies...&lt;/strong&gt;

Mark Steyn, who was a comics fan in his youth, writes in Macleans about superhero movies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mark Steyn on superhero movies&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Mark Steyn, who was a comics fan in his youth, writes in Macleans about superhero movies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117221</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So &lt;i&gt;Black Hawk Down&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t count as a post-9/11 hero movie??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So <i>Black Hawk Down</i> doesn&#8217;t count as a post-9/11 hero movie??</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117220</link>
		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how people claim Americans are universally hated while typing on their Dell computer into their Apple or Microsoft software wearing their Nike shoes and Levis jeans with HBO on the television and a Coca Cola on the coffee table.

Anyway, no2marriage is clearly just an a**, it has nothing to do with being American.  And frankly, there are more Mexicans in America than there are in Mexico, so he was just insulting himself anyway.

As for sports, funny he should make that hockey comment when the only Canadian MLB baseball team is the best one.  One Canadian winner and 29 American chasers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how people claim Americans are universally hated while typing on their Dell computer into their Apple or Microsoft software wearing their Nike shoes and Levis jeans with HBO on the television and a Coca Cola on the coffee table.</p>
<p>Anyway, no2marriage is clearly just an a**, it has nothing to do with being American.  And frankly, there are more Mexicans in America than there are in Mexico, so he was just insulting himself anyway.</p>
<p>As for sports, funny he should make that hockey comment when the only Canadian MLB baseball team is the best one.  One Canadian winner and 29 American chasers.</p>
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		<title>By: ElectroPig™ Von FökkenGrüüven</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117219</link>
		<dc:creator>ElectroPig™ Von FökkenGrüüven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching it burn is far easier than fixing the myriad of problems which desperately need attention.

The longer we are distracted from the real issues, the longer those abuses and failures can compound...and the more willfully ignorant we remain, the easier those abuses can continue unabated.  But to what purpose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching it burn is far easier than fixing the myriad of problems which desperately need attention.</p>
<p>The longer we are distracted from the real issues, the longer those abuses and failures can compound&#8230;and the more willfully ignorant we remain, the easier those abuses can continue unabated.  But to what purpose?</p>
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		<title>By: ElectroPig™ Von FökkenGrüüven</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117218</link>
		<dc:creator>ElectroPig™ Von FökkenGrüüven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And &quot;Americans&quot; wonder why they&#039;re nearly universally hated around the entire planet.

It&#039;s not &quot;just&quot; for having hundreds of military bases in 130+ countries that they are &quot;allegedly&quot; not at war with, and it&#039;s not for the unjust wars they are currently waging either, but it is because of those few &quot;Americans&quot; who are both intensely ignorant and riduculously outspoken in their idiocy.

Not all &quot;Americans&quot; are inherently evil or imbicilic, mind you.  The problem is that those majority of decent US citizens are so rarely heard from, in contrast to the loud-n-obnoxious rednecks that seem to believe that they are representative of the remainder of their compatriots.

THEY ARE NOT.

PS:  They&#039;re not &quot;sweaters&quot;, they&#039;re toques.  Perhaps you&#039;ll have that updated in your manual at your next anti-MENSA meeting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And &#8220;Americans&#8221; wonder why they&#8217;re nearly universally hated around the entire planet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not &#8220;just&#8221; for having hundreds of military bases in 130+ countries that they are &#8220;allegedly&#8221; not at war with, and it&#8217;s not for the unjust wars they are currently waging either, but it is because of those few &#8220;Americans&#8221; who are both intensely ignorant and riduculously outspoken in their idiocy.</p>
<p>Not all &#8220;Americans&#8221; are inherently evil or imbicilic, mind you.  The problem is that those majority of decent US citizens are so rarely heard from, in contrast to the loud-n-obnoxious rednecks that seem to believe that they are representative of the remainder of their compatriots.</p>
<p>THEY ARE NOT.</p>
<p>PS:  They&#8217;re not &#8220;sweaters&#8221;, they&#8217;re toques.  Perhaps you&#8217;ll have that updated in your manual at your next anti-MENSA meeting?</p>
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		<title>By: iheartfilm</title>
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		<dc:creator>iheartfilm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Some studio vice-presidents just want to watch the world burn.&quot;

So true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some studio vice-presidents just want to watch the world burn.&#8221;</p>
<p>So true.</p>
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		<title>By: boniface50</title>
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		<dc:creator>boniface50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if Hollywood made movies criticizing the U.S.A during WW II and questioning if the Nazi&#039;s are truly the bad guys.

How many movies has Hollywood made that has been against the War in Iraq...which has been propaganda for the enemies of the United States.    It is shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if Hollywood made movies criticizing the U.S.A during WW II and questioning if the Nazi&#8217;s are truly the bad guys.</p>
<p>How many movies has Hollywood made that has been against the War in Iraq&#8230;which has been propaganda for the enemies of the United States.    It is shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: Koblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;m really looking forward to another summer of edgy metrosexual space operas recycled from 60&#039;s TV, edgy attacks on Catholics and, if we&#039;re really lucky, another edgy (and Brave!) McCarthy Era speaking-truth-to-power manifesto.

This, of course, assumes there will be a movie featuring Hitler--the only acceptable boogyman--ala the all-Hitler-all-the-time, er, History Channel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;m really looking forward to another summer of edgy metrosexual space operas recycled from 60&#8242;s TV, edgy attacks on Catholics and, if we&#8217;re really lucky, another edgy (and Brave!) McCarthy Era speaking-truth-to-power manifesto.</p>
<p>This, of course, assumes there will be a movie featuring Hitler&#8211;the only acceptable boogyman&#8211;ala the all-Hitler-all-the-time, er, History Channel.</p>
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		<title>By: cabdriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>cabdriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas- first of all, you have to understand my personal viewpoint, which is that television and films are not the information format to rely on in order to learn about the world.

There- I&#039;ve just stated a position so conservative and traditional, that I&#039;ve alienated the majority of my fellow American citizens.

That said, when I do attend movies that address real-life political issues, I expect better than war propaganda.

I&#039;m going to leave the &quot;Superhero&quot; genre to the side- I don&#039;t recall making it through an entire sitting, or broadcast, of any of them in nearly 30 years. Which, coincidentally enough, is about the same extent of time since I&#039;ve kept a TV in my house.

I&#039;m fairly sure that last fact largely accounts for how it is that I was able to follow the plot of &quot;Syriana&quot;- which hardly villainizes the CIA while lionizing the adversaries of the USA, incidentally; a book by a CIA agent, Robert Baer, was after all the principal inspiration for &quot;Syriana&quot;, and Baer was a consultant for the film.

I&#039;m  more than prepared to read accusations of &quot;snobbery&quot;, in response to those observations. As a cab driver, I admire their absurdity.  All I ever wanted to do is stop making myself stupid by devoting so much time to watching TV and movies. I read instead- along with, of course, that much-cherished &quot;real-life experience&quot; that some people like to go on so much about, when they&#039;re trying to impeach a person&#039;s credibility for having too much book knowledge to suit their taste.

&quot;It would actually be edgier to show a true story of American heroism on the battlefield that took place after WWII. A movie featuring an unambiguous hero who didn’t turn out to be so flawed that he’s actually impossible to like...&quot;

An &quot;unamibiguous hero&quot;? Not even the superhero comics I&#039;ve read feature those. Not the ones that people recognize as classics, at any rate.

It sounds like what you have is nostalgia for John Wayne movies.

I wasn&#039;t in Vietnam (19 in 1974; lottery #315) , but I lived in a college dormitory full of Vietnam vets, just returned from places like Khe Sanh. What they told me of their time in Indochina sketched out a place and time that Vietnam vet and Hollywood director Oliver Stone eventually depicted a lot more accurately in the film &quot;Platoon&quot; than in John Wayne&#039;s 1968 movie &quot;The Green Berets.&quot;

That&#039;s reality. There it is.

Incidentally, if you saw &quot;Platoon&quot;, I&#039;d like to know what it was you found so &quot;impossible to like&quot; about Willem Defoe&#039;s character...that he wasn&#039;t perfect?

When was life ever a &quot;Superman&quot; comic book?

Too many Americans getting tricked due to holding a view of the world as made up of cartoon superheroes and supervillains is what landed the USA in Iraq in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas- first of all, you have to understand my personal viewpoint, which is that television and films are not the information format to rely on in order to learn about the world.</p>
<p>There- I&#8217;ve just stated a position so conservative and traditional, that I&#8217;ve alienated the majority of my fellow American citizens.</p>
<p>That said, when I do attend movies that address real-life political issues, I expect better than war propaganda.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to leave the &#8220;Superhero&#8221; genre to the side- I don&#8217;t recall making it through an entire sitting, or broadcast, of any of them in nearly 30 years. Which, coincidentally enough, is about the same extent of time since I&#8217;ve kept a TV in my house.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure that last fact largely accounts for how it is that I was able to follow the plot of &#8220;Syriana&#8221;- which hardly villainizes the CIA while lionizing the adversaries of the USA, incidentally; a book by a CIA agent, Robert Baer, was after all the principal inspiration for &#8220;Syriana&#8221;, and Baer was a consultant for the film.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m  more than prepared to read accusations of &#8220;snobbery&#8221;, in response to those observations. As a cab driver, I admire their absurdity.  All I ever wanted to do is stop making myself stupid by devoting so much time to watching TV and movies. I read instead- along with, of course, that much-cherished &#8220;real-life experience&#8221; that some people like to go on so much about, when they&#8217;re trying to impeach a person&#8217;s credibility for having too much book knowledge to suit their taste.</p>
<p>&#8220;It would actually be edgier to show a true story of American heroism on the battlefield that took place after WWII. A movie featuring an unambiguous hero who didn’t turn out to be so flawed that he’s actually impossible to like&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>An &#8220;unamibiguous hero&#8221;? Not even the superhero comics I&#8217;ve read feature those. Not the ones that people recognize as classics, at any rate.</p>
<p>It sounds like what you have is nostalgia for John Wayne movies.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t in Vietnam (19 in 1974; lottery #315) , but I lived in a college dormitory full of Vietnam vets, just returned from places like Khe Sanh. What they told me of their time in Indochina sketched out a place and time that Vietnam vet and Hollywood director Oliver Stone eventually depicted a lot more accurately in the film &#8220;Platoon&#8221; than in John Wayne&#8217;s 1968 movie &#8220;The Green Berets.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s reality. There it is.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if you saw &#8220;Platoon&#8221;, I&#8217;d like to know what it was you found so &#8220;impossible to like&#8221; about Willem Defoe&#8217;s character&#8230;that he wasn&#8217;t perfect?</p>
<p>When was life ever a &#8220;Superman&#8221; comic book?</p>
<p>Too many Americans getting tricked due to holding a view of the world as made up of cartoon superheroes and supervillains is what landed the USA in Iraq in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Superheroland, nobody is really a hero. It can get pretty slimy. For instance, Stan Lee is facing &quot;the largest intellectual property law suit in the history of Hollywood&quot; for using his own name: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2225123/posts .

I know nothing more about it than that and so can&#039;t say whether Lee was dumb to assign those rights to SMLI (if he really did so) or if the complainant is, well, a joker; but those Sharpie-bright Spandex boys&#039;n&#039;girls aren&#039;t really heroes, and most of us know from the getgo that it&#039;s really all about money and illusion even before something like this suit comes along to put it all into focus.

Most of us (those of us outside of the prestige media and Hollywood, anyway) know where the true heroes are. They live among us; they *are* us, and maybe it&#039;s good thing Hollywood isn&#039;t trying to exploit that, although the exceedingly poor illusions that they offer for our consumption sure does limit entertainment choices.

Sigh. I  wish Doug Fairbanks, Sr., and Jack Webb were back with us, and in their prime (Mary Pickford and Sam de Grasse, too, to name two Canadians). Those were good illusionists whose work still stands up well today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Superheroland, nobody is really a hero. It can get pretty slimy. For instance, Stan Lee is facing &#8220;the largest intellectual property law suit in the history of Hollywood&#8221; for using his own name: <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2225123/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2225123/posts</a> .</p>
<p>I know nothing more about it than that and so can&#8217;t say whether Lee was dumb to assign those rights to SMLI (if he really did so) or if the complainant is, well, a joker; but those Sharpie-bright Spandex boys&#8217;n'girls aren&#8217;t really heroes, and most of us know from the getgo that it&#8217;s really all about money and illusion even before something like this suit comes along to put it all into focus.</p>
<p>Most of us (those of us outside of the prestige media and Hollywood, anyway) know where the true heroes are. They live among us; they *are* us, and maybe it&#8217;s good thing Hollywood isn&#8217;t trying to exploit that, although the exceedingly poor illusions that they offer for our consumption sure does limit entertainment choices.</p>
<p>Sigh. I  wish Doug Fairbanks, Sr., and Jack Webb were back with us, and in their prime (Mary Pickford and Sam de Grasse, too, to name two Canadians). Those were good illusionists whose work still stands up well today.</p>
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		<title>By: kody</title>
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		<dc:creator>kody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or worse yet,

how many true war heros (you know like the guy who stayed in a nest of terrorists to be shot up, so his buddies could get away) occupied headlines or anywhere near the front pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or worse yet,</p>
<p>how many true war heros (you know like the guy who stayed in a nest of terrorists to be shot up, so his buddies could get away) occupied headlines or anywhere near the front pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas LaBelle</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117211</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas LaBelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cabdriver - I wasn&#039;t all that impressed with Syriana. Nuance is alright but don&#039;t you ever get tired of the same nuance every time?  When I first started watching movies heroes were less ambiguous and now over the years it seems they&#039;ve become too ambiguous. However, I think you miss the point. It was edgy 40 years ago when the CIA or the president or General Ripper turned out to be the bad guy. Now, it&#039;s de rigeur. It would actually be edgier to show a true story of American heroism on the battlefield that took place after WWII. A movie featuring an unambiguous hero  who didn&#039;t turn out to be so flawed that he&#039;s actually impossible to like. Hollywood&#039;s automatic disdain and distrust for the military gets a little tiring. Really, a very tiny minority are actually murdering rapists. Heck, Hollywood prefers to make Monster,  a movie based on a totally demoralizing story, the only point being, how ugly they could make Charlize Theoron. You got and liked Syriana. Maybe they could try something a little different for the rest of us. Box office shows their present plan isn&#039;t really working. A lot of us are sick of this particular type of nuance and are literally no longer buying it. When the bad guys are always us or from fictional Moboto, who the heck cares? It&#039;s 2009 and I believe there is a huge market for a true story of modern warfare. Who knows maybe one where a few brave soldiers fight a nasty, dangerous enemy and our side could be the good guys. Could these brave, edgy filmakers be too afraid of what could ensue if they told the truth and made the enemy some actual women hating, child murdering Taliban? Oh my!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cabdriver &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t all that impressed with Syriana. Nuance is alright but don&#8217;t you ever get tired of the same nuance every time?  When I first started watching movies heroes were less ambiguous and now over the years it seems they&#8217;ve become too ambiguous. However, I think you miss the point. It was edgy 40 years ago when the CIA or the president or General Ripper turned out to be the bad guy. Now, it&#8217;s de rigeur. It would actually be edgier to show a true story of American heroism on the battlefield that took place after WWII. A movie featuring an unambiguous hero  who didn&#8217;t turn out to be so flawed that he&#8217;s actually impossible to like. Hollywood&#8217;s automatic disdain and distrust for the military gets a little tiring. Really, a very tiny minority are actually murdering rapists. Heck, Hollywood prefers to make Monster,  a movie based on a totally demoralizing story, the only point being, how ugly they could make Charlize Theoron. You got and liked Syriana. Maybe they could try something a little different for the rest of us. Box office shows their present plan isn&#8217;t really working. A lot of us are sick of this particular type of nuance and are literally no longer buying it. When the bad guys are always us or from fictional Moboto, who the heck cares? It&#8217;s 2009 and I believe there is a huge market for a true story of modern warfare. Who knows maybe one where a few brave soldiers fight a nasty, dangerous enemy and our side could be the good guys. Could these brave, edgy filmakers be too afraid of what could ensue if they told the truth and made the enemy some actual women hating, child murdering Taliban? Oh my!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Allwright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Allwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 10:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed this article.  The proliferation of movie superheroes is most peculiar, and the way that these days they never encounter bad guys who resemble any actual bad guys like, for example, the ones that Daniel Pearl or Theo van Gogh met up with.

But at the end you erroneously attribute to The Incredibles that famous epigram, &quot;when everyone’s special, nobody is&quot;.

In fact it was WS Gilbert who coined the original in The Gondoliers back in 1889 when he has Don Alhambra del Bolero, the Grand Inquisitioner of Venice, convincing gondoliers Marco and Giuseppe Palmieri to sing along with him that (http://math.boisestate.edu/GaS/gondoliers/libretto.txt),

When every one is somebodee,
Then no one&#039;s anybody!

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed this article.  The proliferation of movie superheroes is most peculiar, and the way that these days they never encounter bad guys who resemble any actual bad guys like, for example, the ones that Daniel Pearl or Theo van Gogh met up with.</p>
<p>But at the end you erroneously attribute to The Incredibles that famous epigram, &#8220;when everyone’s special, nobody is&#8221;.</p>
<p>In fact it was WS Gilbert who coined the original in The Gondoliers back in 1889 when he has Don Alhambra del Bolero, the Grand Inquisitioner of Venice, convincing gondoliers Marco and Giuseppe Palmieri to sing along with him that (<a href="http://math.boisestate.edu/GaS/gondoliers/libretto.txt" rel="nofollow">http://math.boisestate.edu/GaS/gondoliers/libretto.txt</a>),</p>
<p>When every one is somebodee,<br />
Then no one&#8217;s anybody!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: cabdriver</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117209</link>
		<dc:creator>cabdriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 08:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Steyn:

&quot;Imagine what &quot;Syriana&quot; would have looked like, if only all of that annoying real-life complexity had been jettisoned and replaced by a heroic tale of the Iraq War, featuring Americans wearing white cowboy hats, and Arabs wearing black headdresses.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Steyn:</p>
<p>&#8220;Imagine what &#8220;Syriana&#8221; would have looked like, if only all of that annoying real-life complexity had been jettisoned and replaced by a heroic tale of the Iraq War, featuring Americans wearing white cowboy hats, and Arabs wearing black headdresses.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Reilly</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117208</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 07:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What gets me is that Hollywood&#039;s first instinct in creating film is &#039;wait to the IRaq War&#039;, then we won&#039;t have to care about 9/11. I noticed they began to scream about what gun-toating racists we are supposed to be and yet people still go to the movies.

Marvel comics is behind most of the super hero adaptions, but they&#039;re comics have become irrelevent even in fantasy land. They did some poorly concieved Guantonomo Bay like story and put it out as they&#039;re big &#039;change everything&#039; story. Yes, it changed everything in the Marvel Universe and introduced a dark look to Marvel but as a long-time Marvel reader I&#039;m sad to report that it was absolutely terrible. It didn&#039;t have much of a begginning as Captain America will lead some super-powered against some government led super powered good guys who lock people up who don&#039;t register. Spider-man became the worst character I ever read and they refused to use the idea of everyone finding out who Spider-man is as a main story because all the Editor In Chief wanted was for him to be not married anymore, possibilities be damned. It really hit Marvel hard and there was no reference to an Al Queda like enemy anywhere in that insipid series. I would hate to see comic books as bland and short-sighted as Movies have become. I hate that idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What gets me is that Hollywood&#8217;s first instinct in creating film is &#8216;wait to the IRaq War&#8217;, then we won&#8217;t have to care about 9/11. I noticed they began to scream about what gun-toating racists we are supposed to be and yet people still go to the movies.</p>
<p>Marvel comics is behind most of the super hero adaptions, but they&#8217;re comics have become irrelevent even in fantasy land. They did some poorly concieved Guantonomo Bay like story and put it out as they&#8217;re big &#8216;change everything&#8217; story. Yes, it changed everything in the Marvel Universe and introduced a dark look to Marvel but as a long-time Marvel reader I&#8217;m sad to report that it was absolutely terrible. It didn&#8217;t have much of a begginning as Captain America will lead some super-powered against some government led super powered good guys who lock people up who don&#8217;t register. Spider-man became the worst character I ever read and they refused to use the idea of everyone finding out who Spider-man is as a main story because all the Editor In Chief wanted was for him to be not married anymore, possibilities be damned. It really hit Marvel hard and there was no reference to an Al Queda like enemy anywhere in that insipid series. I would hate to see comic books as bland and short-sighted as Movies have become. I hate that idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117207</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 06:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TV Series 24 did a good job of reminding us that Muslims can be terrorists, with an Islamic group acquiring nuclear weapons and (unsurprisingly) blowing up half of Los Angelese with them.

The next series was Africans again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TV Series 24 did a good job of reminding us that Muslims can be terrorists, with an Islamic group acquiring nuclear weapons and (unsurprisingly) blowing up half of Los Angelese with them.</p>
<p>The next series was Africans again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Flavia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flavia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also loved that movie - watched it twice!</description>
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		<title>By: SeanLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it has to do with who is ultimately funding the product, you wouldn&#039;t want to bite the hand that feeds you.</description>
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		<title>By: oldfeziwig</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldfeziwig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mark, a very astute analysis of Hollywood movie-making in the 21st century.  Do you think the writers and directors avoid making Islamofascists the enemy because they fear for their lives?  After all, these guys don&#039;t cotton to criticism of any kind - remember Theo Van Gogh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mark, a very astute analysis of Hollywood movie-making in the 21st century.  Do you think the writers and directors avoid making Islamofascists the enemy because they fear for their lives?  After all, these guys don&#8217;t cotton to criticism of any kind &#8211; remember Theo Van Gogh.</p>
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		<title>By: theragingranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>theragingranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hockey sweater that is. Count the Canadians who play for the four remaining teams. They outnumber all other players combined. It must suck to be a complete know-nothing.</description>
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		<title>By: no2marriage</title>
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		<dc:creator>no2marriage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re just pissed that your talentless country couldn&#039;t even get a team in to the conference finals of the Stanley Cup.

A Canadian is nothing but a Mexican in a sweater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re just pissed that your talentless country couldn&#8217;t even get a team in to the conference finals of the Stanley Cup.</p>
<p>A Canadian is nothing but a Mexican in a sweater.</p>
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		<title>By: sh*t on a stick</title>
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		<dc:creator>sh*t on a stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 23:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These postings are all goofy and wrong.  I guess this is some kind of venting for the ill informed.  There is no Liberal or Conservative or anything even resembling either anymore.  Every election is bullshit marketing spin, that is completely unrelated to what each specific weasel really has in mind.  We all sit by the TV listening to their pitches and then the moment the election is over, it&#039;s back to double-handed stealing.  Gee guys, I must have missed that part of your plans.  The clash of the giants ...the left vs the right....Yea right !!!  A very simple review  of what has been going on around here, yields the unmistakable truth.  No politician of any stripe has changed anything worthwhile in a long long time.  When the Conservatives gain power, they see the nice little pot of gold the previous rip-off artists risked their political futures to get their hands on and it&#039;s too juicy to reverse.  Hmmmm.... we were gonna do something conservative and honest, but hey check out this massive bucket of cash.  This country is a bad joke and a rudderless ship heading for major rocks in the not too distant future.  The Islam maniacs have recognized the moronic wheel-spinning we put ourselves through and they are definitely exploiting it.  Don&#039;t forget to recycle suckers.  The new guys will want a nice clean environment to cut your grandsons head off in.  I&#039;m ashamed to be Canadian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These postings are all goofy and wrong.  I guess this is some kind of venting for the ill informed.  There is no Liberal or Conservative or anything even resembling either anymore.  Every election is bullshit marketing spin, that is completely unrelated to what each specific weasel really has in mind.  We all sit by the TV listening to their pitches and then the moment the election is over, it&#8217;s back to double-handed stealing.  Gee guys, I must have missed that part of your plans.  The clash of the giants &#8230;the left vs the right&#8230;.Yea right !!!  A very simple review  of what has been going on around here, yields the unmistakable truth.  No politician of any stripe has changed anything worthwhile in a long long time.  When the Conservatives gain power, they see the nice little pot of gold the previous rip-off artists risked their political futures to get their hands on and it&#8217;s too juicy to reverse.  Hmmmm&#8230;. we were gonna do something conservative and honest, but hey check out this massive bucket of cash.  This country is a bad joke and a rudderless ship heading for major rocks in the not too distant future.  The Islam maniacs have recognized the moronic wheel-spinning we put ourselves through and they are definitely exploiting it.  Don&#8217;t forget to recycle suckers.  The new guys will want a nice clean environment to cut your grandsons head off in.  I&#8217;m ashamed to be Canadian</p>
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		<title>By: ElectroPig™ Von FökkenGrüüven</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElectroPig™ Von FökkenGrüüven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention...Keaton was the best Batman.  d=^)</description>
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		<title>By: allysontheartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>allysontheartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the heck what is this place!</description>
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		<title>By: On superheroes and cowardice — WHAT WOULD TOTO WATCH?</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117197</link>
		<dc:creator>On superheroes and cowardice — WHAT WOULD TOTO WATCH?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week Steyn dissects Hollywood&#8217;s obsession with superhero movies - and uncanny ability to avoid addressing the key enemy of our age. (hat tip: Ed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: max shinty</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117196</link>
		<dc:creator>max shinty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....gathering from the parasites who regularly clamor for attention from Mark&#039;s shadow,
Mr. Steyn seems to have really hit the big time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.gathering from the parasites who regularly clamor for attention from Mark&#8217;s shadow,<br />
Mr. Steyn seems to have really hit the big time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cwe</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117195</link>
		<dc:creator>cwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Show him how. Lead by example.</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Driscoll &#187; Asleep At The Wheel Of The Batmobile</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-2/#comment-117194</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Driscoll &#187; Asleep At The Wheel Of The Batmobile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to avoid expressing the reality of the age is through liberal use of comic book superhero movies, Mark Steyn writes: Look, I know several comrades of mine were very taken by Michael Caine’s speech as Alfred [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to avoid expressing the reality of the age is through liberal use of comic book superhero movies, Mark Steyn writes: Look, I know several comrades of mine were very taken by Michael Caine’s speech as Alfred [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cwe</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117193</link>
		<dc:creator>cwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would you respond to someone you don&#039;t know in this fashion?</description>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117192</link>
		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having said all that so that I can now go grab a beer and enjoy the rest of the day, while I disagree that &quot;black and white&quot; fof anything orms the basis of either most conservativism, be it Paleo or Lite or Neocon (one presumes this is akin to Marlboro Lights vs. the the red box true cowboys like, over the sin habit choices of suburban moms), and that much more solid starkness (or is this just,  simply, self-rightious, piggishness on the part of people like the mentally foggy lefties like Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi?) context is perhaps what is usually on the docket here.

I think it was CS Lewis who said things to the effect that it was the whore who was closer to the kingdom of God than nattering politicians and self-rightious finger waggers--though it is not good to practice the arts of either realm, and that not all killing is murder any more than declaring that since they might look simliar, all sex would be rape.

The other problem here, and surely you&#039;d agree with THIS, since you seem to be one who is given to taking even the weakly throbbing cultural pulses that show up on the big screen, is that declarations of some moral claim using the typical, overbearing, and not so clever genre of triteness in film, is really unwatchable.

On the OTHER hand, this is not to say that we should stick with some other new greyer formulations like the anti-hero-----the man or woman &quot;protagonist&quot; (if we dare) so complex and twisted and mired in worldly affectations and dark ruminations, that at the end of our endurance in the chair of this person&#039;s inner closet of demons, we don&#039;t know what the hell just happened to make us spend 20 bucks on this flick when you throw the drinks and popcorn in...

As to &quot;quislingism&quot;, I have to admit to being impressed you know poor Vidkun&#039;s last name.

Few do these days.

The glorious and wonderful Judi Dench mentioned his name in exclamation on &lt;i&gt;As Time Goes By&lt;/i&gt;&quot; but that&#039;s about it in popular culture viewing I&#039;ve heard of recently.

God help any man so truly blessed as to have his surname remembered for such traitorous intrigue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having said all that so that I can now go grab a beer and enjoy the rest of the day, while I disagree that &#8220;black and white&#8221; fof anything orms the basis of either most conservativism, be it Paleo or Lite or Neocon (one presumes this is akin to Marlboro Lights vs. the the red box true cowboys like, over the sin habit choices of suburban moms), and that much more solid starkness (or is this just,  simply, self-rightious, piggishness on the part of people like the mentally foggy lefties like Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi?) context is perhaps what is usually on the docket here.</p>
<p>I think it was CS Lewis who said things to the effect that it was the whore who was closer to the kingdom of God than nattering politicians and self-rightious finger waggers&#8211;though it is not good to practice the arts of either realm, and that not all killing is murder any more than declaring that since they might look simliar, all sex would be rape.</p>
<p>The other problem here, and surely you&#8217;d agree with THIS, since you seem to be one who is given to taking even the weakly throbbing cultural pulses that show up on the big screen, is that declarations of some moral claim using the typical, overbearing, and not so clever genre of triteness in film, is really unwatchable.</p>
<p>On the OTHER hand, this is not to say that we should stick with some other new greyer formulations like the anti-hero&#8212;&#8211;the man or woman &#8220;protagonist&#8221; (if we dare) so complex and twisted and mired in worldly affectations and dark ruminations, that at the end of our endurance in the chair of this person&#8217;s inner closet of demons, we don&#8217;t know what the hell just happened to make us spend 20 bucks on this flick when you throw the drinks and popcorn in&#8230;</p>
<p>As to &#8220;quislingism&#8221;, I have to admit to being impressed you know poor Vidkun&#8217;s last name.</p>
<p>Few do these days.</p>
<p>The glorious and wonderful Judi Dench mentioned his name in exclamation on <i>As Time Goes By</i>&#8221; but that&#8217;s about it in popular culture viewing I&#8217;ve heard of recently.</p>
<p>God help any man so truly blessed as to have his surname remembered for such traitorous intrigue.</p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117191</link>
		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remotely sympathetic?

The world IS grey.

However,  to my liberal pals this is not so much to be taken as an affirmation by ME of the alleged (but rarely realized now that their turn in power is moralist and slightly amnesiac junta bloodpurge of the CIA and Things Cheney/Bush from some absolutist moral ground in their own right) &quot;moral fuzziness&quot; of things or seeing finer shades of distinction in the fogs of war and their various atmospheric densities, but RATHER, it is my affirmation of CONTEXT. See below, for example, regarding one famous urban legend about the origins of Bin Laden and Co.

Well, that tack of some &quot;connection&quot; of the Religious Right (whoever the hell they really are, maybe the gal Jacob Sullivan called &quot;Maude&quot; who puts dimes in the collection plate at First Church of Duluth Ga) to the head-ripping ways of &quot;conservative&quot; Islam WAS already tried, even if a half truth is more exciting and daring than an outright lie.

For full disclosure, it was not so long ago that the &quot;al Quaida was a creation of the CIA&quot; myth made the rounds of journals with more leverage than the usual Kos (since this was actually before the flowering of Kossette type sites, to be sure, though) and Media Matters sites and the nodding of Bill Moyers.

The myth quietly dried up and blew away like dew in the morning broil of sun, since even the sternest of lies armed with sheer weight of obnoxious reptition will die a grisly death sometimes.

But the core reality that Bin Laden hated America even in the strategic moment where we DID supply Stinger missles to nasty men like Hekmayaer and other jihadists in Afganistan in the context of roil of the Soviet invasion, is TRUE.  Without going into the detail I know about that region (one of master of a few trades while jack at most others), this narrow confine of armament, but actually no &quot;training&quot; and &quot;formation&quot; or &quot;creation&quot; (since the warlords needed no prodding or training to attack the Great Bear, but merely weaponry of which the batteries and billing both long ran out...) is about the only &quot;alliance&quot; real or theoretical, that any CIA social conservative would have with the Jihad.


Such is politics. But the implication from my dear pals over the Social War blog, often referred to also by their web sign up called Science Blogs, that there is, per PZ Myers, some &quot;connection&quot; between cultural conservatives and Christians to Islam&#039;s good-cop, bad-cop routine, is sorta goofy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remotely sympathetic?</p>
<p>The world IS grey.</p>
<p>However,  to my liberal pals this is not so much to be taken as an affirmation by ME of the alleged (but rarely realized now that their turn in power is moralist and slightly amnesiac junta bloodpurge of the CIA and Things Cheney/Bush from some absolutist moral ground in their own right) &#8220;moral fuzziness&#8221; of things or seeing finer shades of distinction in the fogs of war and their various atmospheric densities, but RATHER, it is my affirmation of CONTEXT. See below, for example, regarding one famous urban legend about the origins of Bin Laden and Co.</p>
<p>Well, that tack of some &#8220;connection&#8221; of the Religious Right (whoever the hell they really are, maybe the gal Jacob Sullivan called &#8220;Maude&#8221; who puts dimes in the collection plate at First Church of Duluth Ga) to the head-ripping ways of &#8220;conservative&#8221; Islam WAS already tried, even if a half truth is more exciting and daring than an outright lie.</p>
<p>For full disclosure, it was not so long ago that the &#8220;al Quaida was a creation of the CIA&#8221; myth made the rounds of journals with more leverage than the usual Kos (since this was actually before the flowering of Kossette type sites, to be sure, though) and Media Matters sites and the nodding of Bill Moyers.</p>
<p>The myth quietly dried up and blew away like dew in the morning broil of sun, since even the sternest of lies armed with sheer weight of obnoxious reptition will die a grisly death sometimes.</p>
<p>But the core reality that Bin Laden hated America even in the strategic moment where we DID supply Stinger missles to nasty men like Hekmayaer and other jihadists in Afganistan in the context of roil of the Soviet invasion, is TRUE.  Without going into the detail I know about that region (one of master of a few trades while jack at most others), this narrow confine of armament, but actually no &#8220;training&#8221; and &#8220;formation&#8221; or &#8220;creation&#8221; (since the warlords needed no prodding or training to attack the Great Bear, but merely weaponry of which the batteries and billing both long ran out&#8230;) is about the only &#8220;alliance&#8221; real or theoretical, that any CIA social conservative would have with the Jihad.</p>
<p>Such is politics. But the implication from my dear pals over the Social War blog, often referred to also by their web sign up called Science Blogs, that there is, per PZ Myers, some &#8220;connection&#8221; between cultural conservatives and Christians to Islam&#8217;s good-cop, bad-cop routine, is sorta goofy.</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 355 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117190</link>
		<dc:creator>Steynian 355 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MARK AT THE MOVIES: A LAND FIT FOR SUPERHEROES&#8230; but what about non-super ones? &#8230;. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Critical Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117189</link>
		<dc:creator>Critical Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  I realize that the words &quot;erudite&quot; and &quot;bulldog&quot; are rarely joined, but in this case (with Jack&#039;s bulldog-like tenacity) I think it&#039;s a nice turn of phrase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  I realize that the words &#8220;erudite&#8221; and &#8220;bulldog&#8221; are rarely joined, but in this case (with Jack&#8217;s bulldog-like tenacity) I think it&#8217;s a nice turn of phrase.</p>
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		<title>By: John.K</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117188</link>
		<dc:creator>John.K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My, I love a well reasoned and polite response.  Congratulations.</description>
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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A weakness of superhero films</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117187</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A weakness of superhero films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Writing for Canadian news magazine Macleans, Mark Steyn says he’s having less and less fun with the practice of comparing Spock to Obama and Bush to Emperor Palpatine. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Wren</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117186</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Hell just froze over Mark. I agree with you, 100%. You&#039;ve managed to articulate something that&#039;s been bothering me about the contemporary moral hollowness of the superhero genre - or more precisely, the use of the superhero in contemporary culture. There&#039;s something slippery and evasive and fundamentally cowardly about the way these icons are being used, not to inspire heroism, but to promote a general fatalistic mentality towards evil and our individual responsibility as ordinary people to respond to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Hell just froze over Mark. I agree with you, 100%. You&#8217;ve managed to articulate something that&#8217;s been bothering me about the contemporary moral hollowness of the superhero genre &#8211; or more precisely, the use of the superhero in contemporary culture. There&#8217;s something slippery and evasive and fundamentally cowardly about the way these icons are being used, not to inspire heroism, but to promote a general fatalistic mentality towards evil and our individual responsibility as ordinary people to respond to it.</p>
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		<title>By: HoosierDaddy</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/14/superheroes-are-starting-to-bug-me/comment-page-1/#comment-117185</link>
		<dc:creator>HoosierDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny I wonder the same thing about liberals and global warming.</description>
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