Liveblog: Mulroney at Oliphant (Day Four) – Cross Examination (Day Two)

by kadyomalley on Friday, May 15, 2009 8:30am - 126 Comments

Is it just ITQ, or does this week not feel like someone snuck in a few extra days somewhere in the middle? A conspiracy of calendographers? Someone should totally investigate that.

Anyway, the former prime minister is set to undergo another few rounds of pointed questioning  courtesy of commission counsel Richard Wolson,  who may or may not wrap up his cross-examination before noon. We’re not sure whether there will be additional questions from the lawyers for the other parties — well, other than Schreiber, of course, but at the moment, that’s not scheduled to get going until next week — so it may be a short day over at Old City Hall. Then again, considering how much ground is left, at least in theory, for Wolson to explore, that may be an overly optimistic estimate of when ITQ will finally be able to holster the berry and hit the nearest patio to start the Victoria Day weekend off in the traditional manner.

Oh, and I hope that L. Ian MacDonald isn’t putting too much weight on his theory that the chilliness in the Victoria Room is somehow indicative of warm and friendly relations between his former boss and the commission staff, as he seems to suggest in this column, because ITQ can tell y’all that the air conditioning has been at full throttle for weeks after a weird one-day heat wave back in April — check the section of the transcript from just after the lunch recess –  and as far as she knows, has absolutely nothing to do with any request made by Team Mulronigator.

9:11:27 AM
Good morning, Oliphantabulists!

Before we get started, I’d like to throw a question out there, just for fun: What do we — the ITQ/Oliphant comment crew, that is — think of a media relations strategy that involves stalking the press table with a phonecam, surreptitiously taking pictures of reporters at work? Good idea, or something PMO would reject as being too heavy-handed and confrontational? All opinions welcome! Feel free to mull that over while we wait for today’s session to begin.

9:28:15 AM
The right honourable witness has taken the stand – well, he’s standing behind the chair in what has become his traditonal pre-hearing pose, but he’s here, anyway, sporting a progressively conservative navy blue tie and an expression that could almost be described as ebullient. Why is this former prime minister smiling? Darned if ITQ knows, but I guess we’ll find out.

9:31:27 AM
All rise!

Before Wolson gets back to his cross-examination, there’s a bit of scheduling housekeeping to figure out — apparently, the judge has to fly back to Winnipeg for a medical appointment — wonky knee, remember — and Wolson is doubtful that he’ll be able to finish with the witness today; the upshot is that we’ll be adjourning at 3pm today – hurray! – and will pick up where we left off after the long weekend. Adjust your respective cpac.ca viewing schedules accordingly.

With that out of the way, Wolson plunges back into those fateful meetings between the witness and Karlheinz Schreiber; he runs Mulroney through a quick recap of surrounding events — the meetings, the lawsuit, that “interrogation” he underwent in 1996 — and points out that one of Mulroney’s main defenders at the time was William Kaplan, who wrote a book about the case that seemed to exonerate the former prime minister, to whom he claimed, at that time, that he had a “peripheral relationship” with Schreiber. Mulroney attempts to explain that away — it was an “honest answer”, considering that he had many close friends, family, political associates — he didn’t mean it in a perjorative way, but Wolson wonders about that private, legal commercial relationship he had with Schreiber — since Kaplan was “defending his honour”, wouldn’t it have been fair to let him in on that fact? Mulroney “doesn’t want to be technical” — wait, yes he does; his entire argument yesterday was that he answered questions under examination under the technical terms of the Quebec legal system — but Kaplan was writing about Airbus, not – anything else – and besides, he never asked. Besides, given the trials and tribulations and Kafkaesque plots against him that were ongoing, it wouldn’t have been “helpful” to go out of his way to alert him to that fact. Don’t ask, don’t tell.

9:42:33 AM
Is anyone else pretty much done with hearing about how very, very mean the government was to Mulroney when he launched his lawsuit? Because honestly, ITQ is pretty much done with it – nine lawyers, brutal hostility and all – and unless he doesn’t come up with some new material — honestly, he’s starting to repeat himself, phrase by phrase if not word for word; it’s like some sort of Mad Libs, the Aggrieved Former PM Edition. I think we get his point — why would he volunteer information to the enemy?

9:44:47 AM
Moving on – thankfully – to another meeting between Schreiber and Mulroney, in the company of Elmer MacKay and Fred Doucet — sorry, I didn’t catch the date, but I think it was in May 1992 — and in his prime ministerial office. It would have been about Bear Head, Wolson suggests, and Mulroney concurs — and would have been all business, no socializing. As was his habit, Schreiber immortalized that meeting with a letter to Mulroney in which he was downright gushing over the prospect of Bear Head finally moving from the theoretical to the temporal plane; once again, Mulroney denies having read it, prompting Wolson to wonder what happened to all these letters that he was sent. Anyway, in the letter, Schreiber waxes hopeful about further investigating the East Montreal gambit; Mulroney characterizes that as evidence that the project was once again being reconfigured. There’s also a line that suggests Mulroney was feeling particularly affable towards his peripheral acquaintence at that meeting – as per Schreiber, Mulroney made a suggestion that the two could meet up in Munich when the then-PM was attending the G7 summit. He – Mulroney that is – reminds Wolson that Schreiber has a tendency to invent such things out of whole cloth — remember the Tellier annotations, pointing out all the inaccuracies in the one piece of Schreibermail that seems to have actually made it to PCO, if not Mulroney

9:53:17 AM
Somehow, that last exchange sparked a fairly lively bit of back and forth between Wolson and Mulroney over the Bear Head project, and whether the latter did, in fact, “kill” the project, which he insists that he did. Yet it kept coming back, Wolson muses – and always to Mulroney. It would be resurrected, yes, Mulroney concedes. Apparently, even prime ministers need vampire slayers to take on some big bads.

9:57:04 AM
Okay, according to Mulroney, he never saw Tellier’s comments on the Schreibergram — not until it was provided as part of the Oliphant discovery process. He notes that it would have been up to Tellier — who was “uncorruptable” — to deal with those sorts of shenanigans, but this intrigues Wolson, who takes Mulroney through a brief history of the wildly conflicting claims made with regard to the potential cost to the taxpayer for the development of the Bear Head project; Mulroney reminds him that, well, sometimes there are overruns, and points to Mirabel as an example of spending creep, but notes that in this case, he killed the project.

10:00:27 AM
And now, a letter from Schreiber to Marcel Masse – May 13, 1992 – that discusses the potential migration to Montreal, and requesting a memorandum of understanding, ostensibly backed by the then-PM. Did Masse obey his instructions to ministers for dealing with people who claim to be speaking in his name? No, but according to Mulroney, this would fall outside the purview of interdiction, so he won’t retroactively throw him out of cabinet. Wolson, who is sounding just the tiniest bit sceptical at this point, moves onto another letter that Mulroney never saw – he never saw it; that’s all you need to know – but jokingly notes that the former PM best watch what he says, or he’ll be back for the policy phase. Mulroney says he’s enjoying himself, and Oliphant wonders if he’d be there with bells on, prompting a roomwide wave of giggles.

10:07:08 AM
More tales from the SchreiberDiary, with seemingly corroborating entries from the Doucet Files, involving a November meeting — 1992, I think, although they’ve stopped naming the years again, which makes it devilishly hard to follow — and a breakfast between Schreiber, Mulroney, David McLaughlin and others, possibly Doucet and/or MacKay. Mulroney thinks this might, in fact, be that breakfast that inspired a photograph — once again, it was all due to his fondness for MacKay that he would even have agreed to meet with him. After he had “killed” the project, Wolson points out, prompting Mulroney to once again, tries to get chummy with Wolson by suggesting that this was just more of Schreiber’s energizer bunny-ing; he was desperate to get the project, albeit a new configuration thereof, off the grounds, what with the $600,000 he had doled out to the good ole boys at GCI. There’s a bizarre moment where he makes it sound like he and the lead counsel for the commission are a crime-solving duo. Law and Order: Schreiber Victims Unit. I don’t know what Oliphant makes of it, but Wolson hustles along to the breakfast meeting, which Mulroney *still* won’t officially recall, but which he seems to accept likely took place.

10:16:19 AM
Is it just me, or does it almost seem like Mulroney is doing all but point the finger at Elmer MacKay as the cause of bringing this meddlesome lobbyist/arms dealer/eventual business associate into his life? It’s always couched in effusive praise for Elmer as a dear friend and the soul of integrity, but still — for pretty much every meeting between the two during the cross-exam so far, it turns out that, as per Mulroney, it was Elmer who got them in the same room at the same place.

Oh, the famous photograph *did* make it into the binder. I’ll have to try to scan that later – it has the whole gang; Mulroney sitting beside Schreiber across from a possibly smiling Fred Doucet, along with David McLoughlin and – Elmer? Maybe? I haven’t seen it yet.

10:20:18 AM
Is this the June 3, 1993 meeting? I think so – anyway, another series of corroboratory diary entries and official PMO schedules, another chinwag involving Schreiber that Mulroney can’t actually remember.

Wolson wonders where David McLoughlin — who was also at that meeting — is now, and Mulroney suggests, somewhat vaguely, that he is “somewhere in Ottawa”. He was Flaherty’s chief of staff, ITQ readers will recall, and is now a member of the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, unless we are very much out of datedly mistaken. He’d be an interesting witness, no?

10:25:00 AM And – hey, we’ve made it to the Harrington Lake meeting! At which neither Fred Doucet nor Elmer MacKay nor anyone other than the two antagonists was present, Wolson points out; there wasn’t even someone from PMO to take notes, Mulroney confirms. It was a farewell courtesy call that he accepted at what could only have been MacKay’s request; Wolson reminds him that Schreiber had actually seen him just twenty days earlier, but Mulroney doesn’t budge from his assessment of the “private meeting” that is listed on his agenda. Why not call it a “courtesy call” on the schedule, Wolson wonders – a meeting on June 16th, for instance, is listed as a “courtesy call”. Mulroney starts to get defensive – well, visibly defensive – and wonders whether there’s “something mysterious” in listing it as a private meeting, and Wolson assures him that he’s suggesting no such thing, but still – why the different description? Mulroney has no answer to that, really, other than that he didn’t “technically” prepare the schedule.

10:36:17 AM
Sorry for the sudden – if mercifully brief – delay in updates — technical difficulties; hopefully now resolved. Wolson had Mulroney go through his schedule for that last month in office, which the former prime minister clearly enjoyed more than any line of questioning since Pratte handed the floor over to the commission counsel, what with all the many, many examples of him meeting with Very Important Entities, from breakfast with Bill Clinton to various meetings with journalists and well-wishers. Eventually, Wolson puts an end to Mulroney’s reminiscences, and gets him to put his version of the Harrington Lake on the record, which the former prime minister does, taking a swipe at the CBC account of Schreiber driving up in a chauffeured limo – which prompts a veiled warning from Wolson, who notes that he’s already covered that, thanks.

Once again, Mulroney denies that there was any agreement reached between the two men at that “courtesy call” at Harrington Lake, but Wolson brandishes the evidence that Schreiber then headed back to Germany to set up the Britan account. Mulroney does his best to cast at least a shadow of doubt on the forensic auditor’s report, at least insofar as it depends on the word of, and material from, Schreiber, but Wolson is politely relentless; it was, of course, just a few months later that Schreiber turned up in that hotel room at Mirabel with an envelope full of cash.

10:49:08 AM
Ooh, we have interventions! Or *an* intervention, even — wait, it may be one of those outwardly polite and informal clarifications — anyway, Guy Pratte can see exactly where Wolson is going with his current q-line; he’s getting Mulroney to admit to telling that incompetent yet still diabolical lawyer at the deposition most of the details of the Mirabel meeting – the lawsuit, the brochures with the UN-logo-festooned tanks – with the noteable exception of the cash handover. Pratte suggests that the latter bit of testimony had been in a different context, and Wolson – who has his arms crossed, but looks otherwise unflapped – moves on. The two go back and forth, until they get to the matter of the money – the actual logistics of the transfer of the envelope from Schreiber to Mulroney – and Wolson wonders how he knew the $100,000 was a retainer, which is — a very good question, actually, since apparently, no words to that effect were exchanged. At that point – after a brief question from the judge on what, exactly, “peripheral” means to Mulroney, in the context of his relationship with Schreiber – we break for lunch on an intriguing, and potentially incendiary note.

See you back here in fifteen!

11:06:55 AM
We have a special guest reporter in attendance today — the fabulous Bruce Cheadle, who has been covering the *other* big show in town — the O’Brien trial, that is, not like, the Hill — and is filling us all in on what’s been going on so far. I wonder if I’ll be able to pop over to the courthouse after this wraps up next week — it might be fun to liveblog people not being able to recall events that happened slightly more recently than the mid-90s.

11:12:25 AM
Still not back, but during the break I was idly musing – as I am wont to do on occasion – about the ban on counsel discussing testimony with their client while the examination is ongoing — even during adjournment — and I got to wondering whether that applies to PR firms as well. I guess it really couldn’t — I mean, they’re not covered by legal protocol, and it’s not like they’re involved in prepping the witness to testify– but it’s an interesting question, given the importance of optics in cases like this.

11:16:49 AM
The RHFPM is back behind the chair, so we should be getting back underway any second. One of the other reporters pointed out that Mila is not in attendance today – the first time yet – and blames the still-frigid temperature inside the hearing room. Oh, and according to Team Mulronigator, they *did* ask for the room to be kept cold, but having brought an extra hoodie throughout most of the last few weeks of hearings, ITQ is still somewhat sceptical that the current chill is much more than a happy instance of their wishes coinciding with the status quo.

11:23:06 AM
We’re back again, and Wolson wants to go right to where he was before the break: His suggestion, he tells the witness, was that, during the Sheppard deposition, he did mention Bear Head “morphing” into a project with UN implications, which – as the transcript shows – he did.

That accomplished, Wolson moves to the Mirabel meeting, to which Mulroney, he notes, was accompanied by an RCMP security detail. How does that work, he wonders — for how long is a former prime minister so protected? It doesn’t seem to have a firm deadline, according to Mulroney’s response – it’s as needed, for as long as necessary. He’s also a Right Honourable for life, Wolson notes, and a permanent member of the Privy Council as well.

What, Wolson asks, did Doucet say to him about the meeting Schreiber wanted to have with him? As best, that is, that the witness can recall, and Mulroney tells him that, as per Doucet, Schreiber wanted to discuss “an international mandate” involving his projects around the world – no, not any particular project, he confirms when asked by Wolson – which Mulroney thought was “fair ball”. Doucet promised to get back to him with the logistical details, and that was that.

Was he working at Ogilvie Renault at the time? Ish, as per Mulroney — he didn’t have an office at the time, but visted a few times to get “the lay of the land”.

Oh, and the safety deposit box at the cottage was for “jewellery and private matters” — and was Mila’s doing.

11:34:29 AM
Sidebar — Wolson is guiding Mulroney through a minute by minute recap of the meeting — but do you notice how he – Mulroney, that is – keeps describing that Ian Scott statement of claim as a lawsuit against *his* government, but by this point, he wasn’t prime minister any more. It was Kim Campbell’s government. I’m not sure if that’s any more than just a proprietary quirk, but since he’s done it every time he mentions the lawsuit, I thought I’d mention it.

Anyway, according to Mulroney, he got the brochures, but no definition of the mandate, which he thought of as a “watching brief”, and Wolson wonders if he called Schreiber afterwards. Mulroney reminds him that his means of contacting Schreiber was through Fred Doucet, who he called after the meeting, and told him that he had been retained on a — wait, he told Doucet that Schreiber had hired him? I thought Doucet didn’t know about the money until years later. Or did he make it sound like it was a non-paid “retention”?

11:40:30 AM
We don’t get an answer to the above question, frustratingly, but Wolson continues to inch through the meeting — to the end — or when he paid him — with the words “retainer in advance” accompanying the handover of the envelope. He told him it was cash “in response to a hesitation I envinced”, as per Mulroney; he hesitated, he says, because it was “his first time out” since leaving the PM job, and he hadn’t been confronted with something like *this*. He should have asked for a cheque, he admits — really, he does like to make that clear, doesn’t he? — but he didn’t. Did he hesitate because it was “contrary to his instincts”, Wolson asks – at which point, according to Mulroney, Schreiber told him he was an international businessman, and only dealt in cash. “Stop there,” Wolson instructs him – unless, of course, he has something else to say. Did he think that international businessmen dealt in cash? Yes-ish — he knew it was more the norm in Europe — and no, he didn’t believe international businessmen carried suitcases full of cash; this was an envelope — a legal-sized envelope (er, legal in a stationery sense, not statutory), not a suitcase.

At the time, Mulroney thought he was associated with Thyssen International, with interests around the world, employing thousands in Canada, Wolson points out — didn’t he realize that such a company wouldn’t deal in cash? Some major companies *did* do just that in Europe, Mulroney insists. Which he found out when he began getting involved in other international business a few years later.

11:49:04 AM
We’re still on the whole “cash” issue, and Wolson notes that, as an extremely bright man, and a former prime minister besides, wouldn’t he have realized that it would be better to ask for a cheque? Yes, Mulroney eagerly agrees — that was his mistake, although he does point out that it was perfectly legal — this was, after all, legitimate Canadian tender. Did he phone Fred, Wolson wonders — after all, he was like a brother. Mulroney demurs — Fred might not like that characterization, which I think anyone who listed to Doucet’s testimony would challenge — but Mulroney, alas, did not – not on that issue, but to tell him that the meeting had “gone well”, without going into the payment, or “the amounts”. Why, tho – leaving aside from the amount, of cours – didn’t he find out *how* Fred was paid? That was a part of the conversation that never happened, according to Mulroney. He didn’t ask the question, so he didn’t get an answer.

11:56:24 AM
Wolson moves on to the drive home from the Mirabel meeting, Mulroney holding the envelope full of thousand dollar bills, still with his Mountie escorts. Once he gets back to the cottage, he opens the envelope, counts the money and puts it in the safe. Just another day in the life of a former prime minister turned nascent international brief-watcher.

Fast forward past the China meeting, and the next time the two got together at the Queen Elizabeth: it was arranged, Mulroney recalls, by Fred Doucet — of course — prompting Wolson to wonder why, exactly, that was the case — why did he always go through an intermediary when dealing with Schreiber? It’s an interesting question, and we don’t really get an answer — that’s just how things worked. Mulroney can’t recall being “preoccupied” by the cash issue — definitely not on a daily basis.

Did he expect Schreiber to bring a second cash-stuffed envelope to the Queen Elizabeth meeting? No — after all, it was just a few months since Mirabel, and he didn’t know that he would be paying him at all.

12:05:34 PM
Having established that the Queen Elizabeth was, in fact, just a hop, skip and a cab ride from the offices of Ogilvie Renault, why didn’t Mulroney suggest to Schreiber — through Doucet, of course — that he pop by his office instead? Apparently, as per Mulroney, Doucet informed him that Schreiber was coming back to Canada, and would like to go out for coffee, and — you know, it’s just *odd* that Mulroney and Schreiber wouldn’t simply pick up their respective phones and set this up themselves. Did Mulroney have any other clients with which he only interacted through an intermediary? (Note: That was my question, not Wolson, just to be clear.)

Anyway, he gets to the hotel coffee bar – yes, we’ve heard all about this meeting during the Pratte exam – and he and Schreiber discuss the “watching brief” — after Mulroney has “wiped the egg off his face” over his somewhat optimistic prediction for the recently concluded federal election.

12:14:40 PM
Why, Wolson wonders, didn’t he take his pitch for the United Nations group buy of Bear Head products straight to the top — in this case, the Secretary General? Mulroney reminds him the Secretary General just implements policy — he doesn’t make decisions.

With that, Wolson tells us what we all pretty much knew already — there’s no way he’s going to finish today — and suggests we break for lunch, but Oliphant has a question for the witness: This supply of UN vehicles, which would be stationed near potential “troube spots” — would that mean that, say, the goverment of Rwanda would be able to use those vehicles until civil war broke out? No, no, Mulroney assures him — it would just be easier than having to transport all those vehicles? Oliphant wonders if it would make a lot of sense to give the nearest government the full use of the equipment pending a UN peacekeeping mission, and Mulroney tells him that the LAVs would always have been under the control of the UN.

On that note – we break for lunch. See you at 2pm!

1:43:50 PM
Man, everyone went off campus for lunch today — when the previously unimpeachably efficient cafeteria ran out of chicken fajitas, Colleague Maher and I decamped to the Sconewitch, and ran into numerous fellow Oliphantians during the to-ing and fro-ing, including various and sundry legal teams conducting the traditional lunch break power walk along the river. It’s an odd feeling, really — we’d all expected that today would be Mulroney’s grand finale, but now we know we’re barely through the second act, with who knows how much left to go.

1:59:21 PM
And we’re back — with a quick edition of the Schreiber HealthWatch, courtesy of Wolson: Auger has spoken with him, and he’s being assessed by his doctor. Mulroney now wants to finish his thought on the Rwanda situation, vis a vis that putative United Nations-funded mobile tank batallion, which apparently could have conceivably averted the subsequent massacre — well, provided the UN had actually responded when General Romeo Dallaire sounded the alert — and somehow, that thought-finishing has now turned into an ad hoc monologue on the problems with equipment standards. The judge thanks him, and Wolson – after making it clear that the foregoing was Mulroney’s conclusion to his response before the break, not a chat “behind the curtains”, since that doesn’t happen here, he’d justlike to make clear.

2:04:03 PM
With that out of the way, it’s back to the Queen Elizabeth meeting – and by this point, Wolson says, he *did* have a mandate, yes? An “embryonic mandate”, Mulroney clarifies, that he was forming all by himself, what with Schreiber being “in love with the Liberals” – as many people were at that time, Mulroney pipes up. Mulroney thinks that it was a Saturday, based on the clothes worn by the people who came up to him to shake hands, and ask for his autograph, and no, I’m not making that up.

He hadn’t asked for money, Wolson notes — no, as per Mulroney, “I never asked him for a nickel in my life.” Really? Did he think the initial discussion of the legal commercial relatiopnship was for some sort of volunteer service?

2:08:26 PM
Having gotten through the second handoff — Schreiber, according to Mulroney, just put the envelope on the table, in front of everyone in the coffee shop — Wolson wonders — why didn’t Mulroney put the money in the bank on the very next business day? He just — didn’t. He put it in the safe deposit box, and it just sat there, next the $75,000 from the previous encounter – oh, minus between $10-12,000 that he used for “expenses” on the China trip.
Wait, wait, wait – back up: Wasn’t that China trip actually made on behalf of another client? How did he spend $10,000 in expenses on a couple of meetings with the Chinese leadership?

2:13:56 PM
Wolson will not be thrown off his main point here — that at no point did Mulroney seemingly consider putting the money in the bank; bizarrely, the former prime minister suggests that if he had been fully set up at Ogivile Renault and Schreiber had dropped by his office during business hours, he would have told him to make it a cheque instead. But — why didn’t he just suggest that? I mean, we already established earlier that the firm was close to the Queen E — so why not invite him there? It’s as though Mulroney just showed up wherever Fred Doucet had told him to be.

Wolson asks if he had any subsequent contact with Schreiber on the file — no, he hadn’t, because he didn’t think that the job was done.

Also, Mulroney wants to make the point that just because these meetings happened at hotels doesn’t make them “sinister” — that’s just where Schreiber happened to be, likely because he was travelling back to Europe.

The problem, Wolson points out – or at least as Some May Say – is that it *does* sound a little sinister for a former prime minister to meet with someone who had lobbied him while in office — “I killed his project”, Mulroney reminds him — and accept cash payments, in a hotel room, or – in ITQ’s view – somewhere else. This prompts another debate over whether he *had* successfully killed off the project, and Mulroney maintains that, while it kept coming back, it was “reconfigured”.

2:23:48 PM
Mulroney repeats his line about how “preposterous” it would be to suggest that the prime minister who brought in a conflict of interest code would violate it mere hours before leaving office — really, it’s almost word for word what he said under questioning by Pratte. I — don’t think that argument is as persuasive as he believes it to be.

2:25:48 PM
If he’d been successful in selling the United Nations on the LAV plan, Wolson asks, where were they supposed to come from? Not Canada, since he had, after all, killed the project, and Mulroney’s response is, to be frank, a mess: he suggests Germany, or maybe somewhere else, but doesn’t seem to have given it much thought, since – well, that’s what’s hard to figure out; it’s as though he never believed that he would actually *make* the sale, so he didn’t bother worrying about the supply. He doesn’t even know if Germany could legally sell tanks to China or Russia.

2:28:32 PM
Off to the Pierre Hotel, and the matrimonial celebration lunch in honour of Elmer and Sharon MacKay, but, more importantly for Wolson’s purpose, the meeting with Schreiber at which the *third* $75,000 envelope changed hands.

2:32:05 PM
Wolson wants to know whether the number of payments was ever discussed — did he realize this would be the third installment? Did he know how many installments would be paid in total? No, and no.

Oh man, I think at this point *I* could give a minute-by-minute recap of the New York meeting, from the White Paper to the “payment on your retainer and/or advance”, which is, we are to believe, how Schreiber described it. Isn’t that a significant difference, at the very least in terms of the tax law? We heard all about how retainers are treated differently, as far as earned income, but isn’t an advance something else entirely?

Anyway, Mulroney doesn’t mention the envelope to Doucet, and Wolson wonders why he didn’t tell him, and — ooh, they’re getting testy, these two. Mulroney didn’t say a word about the money — it was a “private matter” — except this was *Fred Doucet*, who Mulroney used as his sole means of contact with *the man paying him all that money*. Really, this doesn’t make any sense at all.

2:40:10 PM
Oh, now it’s getting the players off the bench — well, the lawyers, at least; when Mulroney attempts to reprise his “It’s a rare individual who can claim an error-free life” speech from yesterday — that’s the thing about liveblogging; we notice when your rambling is a rerun — Wolson finally tries to shut him down — and the former prime minister plows right on until Pratte leaps up to demand that he be allowed to answer, which he is. Mulroney concludes by telling Wolson that he’ll tell him this over and over again, prompting Wolson to shoot back that he knows, since he’s already heard it a few times already.

2:45:33 PM
More about that safe deposit box, and – hey, this actually *is* an alternate version of the main examination. Mulroney is trying to give exactly the same explanation for his refusal to open a bank account, as opposed to a safe deposit box, because he had sensitive documents related to mysterious South American clients with unspecified business, and is there anyone out there that can come up with a reason why it would be more convenient to keep *cash* — not those documents, the cash — in a deposit box, rather than a bank account? It strikes me as a far more awkward arrangement, since you wouldn’t be able to retrieve it without visiting the bank in person.

2:50:38 PM
And – hey, apparently, Wolson is ready to head to a whole new area, which means that we’re adjourning now – ten minutes early! – in order to start fresh on Tuesday. Which means ITQ is off duty for the long weekend, starting — now! (Happy Queen Day, everyone!)

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  • anonlinereader

    News story on German extradition treaties ?

    Vancouver Island man arrested in London , Vancouver/CKNW(AM980) 5/14/2009

    Frank Hertel is accused of making false income tax statements and evading tax payments worth $18 million in 1986.

    Police issued a warrant for his arrest in 1994.

    Corporal Darren Lagan says police tracked Hertel from Venezuela to Germany but didn’t have extradition treaties in place to send him back, until he touched down in Britain.

  • DianeG

    Interesting article on the CBC website today re Mulroney’s role in helping the world see the magnitude of the Ethiopian famine . Wonder if at some point his lawyers will use that to show Mulroney’s compassionate side?

    • ken colombo

      … Think you’ll have to CUE Robin Sears for that special treatment. Don’t forget, KHS indicated he had a $20-Million slush fund at his disposal, to curry favour, gain access, and generally stickhandle through the intricate realm of influence peddling.

  • LeslieE

    Re: chilliness in the room -

    MR. WOLSON: “…. I have made some inquiries to try to get some movement of air in here, aside from lawyers talking…”

    COMMISSIONER OLIPHANT: I have also made a request of building management to turn the air conditioning on to counteract the other type of air that might be circulating in the building.

    LOL

  • knick

    Some thoughts on yesterday’s testimoney
    - – two interruptions by Mulroney’s lawyer, one to as much accuse Wolson of cherrypicking evidence that was already fully on the record
    - Mulroney’s consistent use of ‘uhuh’ meant that Wolson had to break his train of thought each and every time to ask Mulroney if that was a ‘yes’
    - Mulroney rereading aloud a portion of a letter that Wolson had just read aloud

    All of which seemed to be rather transparent attempts to unsettle the unflappable Wolson. At least there was no emotional ‘breakdown’ despite some rather aggressive questioning.

  • madeyoulook

    What do we — the ITQ/Oliphant comment crew, that is — think of a media relations strategy that involves stalking the press table with a phonecam, surreptitiously taking pictures of reporters at work? Good idea, or something PMO would reject as being too heavy-handed and confrontational? All opinions welcome!

    Respectfully, the media folk are in a public place, and have no particular expectation of privacy. And certain members of the media are very much part of the Mulroney-Schreiber-Airbus-Thyssen-Pasta swirl.

    So smile! Or hold up a “John 3:16″ sign. Or put a paper bag over your head. Or hold two fingers over colleague Coyne’s head just before the snap.

    But I would suggest just a smile.

    • tobyornotoby

      The question wasn’t whether we thought it was legal, it was what we thought of it as a strategy.

      I think it might work initially in that it will make all the reporters think twice, make sure they check with legal, not take any risks by wading into analysis. It will probably backfire when it comes to commentary/columnists, though. Behaviour like this reminds the journalists that Mulroney himself has undermined the dignity of the office, and he won’t get any benefit of the doubt a former prime minister might once have been shown.

      • madeyoulook

        OK then. If the media is doing its job properly, the strategy is meaningless. If the media folk will allow themselves to modify their approach because a few pics are on a cellphone cam, then it’s an interesting strategy — but it leads to far more questions about the media than it does about Robin Sears.

        • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

          Don’t be ridiculous, it’s a gross violation of privacy. You might as well walk around a university campus taking secret pictures of pretty girls. Legal, yes. Absolutely foul, yes. MYL will defend it with meaningless libertarian drivel because he can’t hold two thoughts in his head at the same time — but of course.

          • madeyoulook

            All right, fess up! Who made Jack Mr. Grumpypants today? He seems to have caught the insult-o-matic troll disease. N95 masks for everyone! Contain the contagion!

          • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

            Sorry, MYL, I’d just gotten up; I meant “meaningless libertarian drivel” in the best sense of those words. And, in fairness, to rise and shine and discover that Mulroney is photographing the media does get one’s day off to a crummy start.

        • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O’Malley

          Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest that it was somehow illegal, but as one of the reporters being so surveyed, I am somewhat uncertain as to what it is meant to accomplish, other than to engender even more awkwardness and discomfort than accusing various colleagues of unprofessional behaviour on somewhat dubious grounds. Which, from a media relations standpoint, strikes me as counterproductive.

  • knick

    That ‘media relations strategy that involves stalking the press table with a phonecam…’ was unbelievable. The very idea that someone from the defence team would attempt to intimidate the press, upon which we all depend for the information we need in order to come to our own conclusions, is a despicable attempt to muzzle the press…not unlike a more recent PM.

  • Peter

    When Shreiber answers a question by being as misleading,vague, false , distorted, and deceptive as Mulroney did to the question whether Mulroney had contact and a relationship with Shreiber, Shreiber has been called a liar, cheat and a perjurer – why the double standard.

  • Northern PoV

    Kady,

    I think what you are asking is:
    Would the crew around the current PM stoop low enough to do what Robin Sears did yesterday when he aided M in smearing reporters and diverting attention?

    Hey does Santa Clause have presents??

  • http://yappadingding.blogspot.com/ Yappa

    Re the phonecam stalking, this isn’t the first salvo against the press. The first was the accusation that reporters were laughing at him, and that this made him break down into tears… refuted immediately by ITQ, but now being repeated and expanded until it will one day be “conventional wisdom”. The intent seems to have been to force the press to treat Mulroney with respect and deference, and more… to be a bit afraid of what will happen if they don’t. Also, to reinforce with the public Mulroney’s oft-repeated claim that the press has it in for him and has distored the truth.

    There’s a lot you can do with a good PR firm and a safe full of cash… ;-)

    • Stephen B

      I don’t think the “reporters giggling” accusation will become conventional wisdom. The Globe and Mail has aleady editorialized against it. I think it’s a short term tactic designed to deflect public attention from the substance of the testimony (Mulroney’s tears or whatever did get the headlines) and to keep the media off balance and possibly a little defensive (against accusations of bias) in their coverage.

  • William

    No, It`s not just you Kady that thinks this week is dragging on forever. This whole exercise is one in futility.
    Do you think one person will change their opinion of Mulroney after this inquiry is over ?—-well maybe MIla.
    Do you think Mulroney will pay back any of the 2. 1 million dollars ?—–Yeah sure and the Liberals are making installment payments on the Sponsorship monies syphoned to their friends in the Liberal Party.
    Do you think their will be irrepairable damage to Mulroney`s legacy ?—-Well to answer that think of an imperfect man named Macdonald who was linked with bribery and drunkeness and consistently is rated as our greatest PM.
    Do you think if it goes really bad for Mulroney there will be some way for the Liberals and media to link Harper to Mulroney—–No , Harper will say—read your history—-I helped form the Reform Party 20 years ago because of my distaste for Mulroney.
    Do you think futures PM`s will be more careful about how they use their influence to pad their own pockets ?—–that would be the only useful result of this exercise.
    Finally, I watched Oldman Newman on the CBC last evening as he hacked and spit his way through one hour of taxpayer-funded Obsessive-Compulsive-Mulroney-Hating and I thought——we don`t have to abolish the CBC—-it will self-destruct.

    • Northern PoV

      Well William, in amongst a great deal of flim-flam I see one gem:
      “Do you think futures PM`s will be more careful about how they use their influence to pad their own pockets ?—–that would be the only useful result of this exercise.”

      Yes I would put deterrence of future skulduggery at the top of the list of what this commission might accomplish. Just like Gomery and most of the other wild goose chases Canadians seem to conjure up.

      I can think of some other benefits but number two has to be the schadenfreude of watching this guy squirm after making us squirm for 9 years and almost ruing our country. This is even higher on the schadenfreude scale than watching M’s minions reduced to two seats.

      • William

        I think your last paragraph displays why poor Kady is stuck in in an overly-cooled room frantically whipping together somewhat coherent thoughts—–you and your like have an extreme dislike for Mulroney and you feel good that we are spending millions on this inquiry—-not a good enough reason —-when do we get our inquiry on Chretien ?
        Mulroney was an accomplished PM—-his gov`t laid the groundwork for future prosperity. But he made enemies especially in western Canada, allowing the Reform Party to swing enough votes to reduce the PC party to 2 members—-know your history.

        • Northern PoV

          know your history?
          M pissed of far more than the west – he split up the country – the Reformers had their exact mirror image (in terms of National Unity) in Quebec in 1993…

          “The election was an unmitigated disaster for Canada’s governing party. Their popular vote plunged from 43% to 16%, and they lost all but two of their 151 seats when parliament was dissolved –far surpassing the Liberals’ 95-seat loss in 1984. It was the worst defeat, both in absolute terms and in terms of percentage of seats lost, for a governing party at the federal level in Canada. It is one of the few occasions that a governing party in any country has gone from a strong majority to being almost wiped off the electoral map.”

        • tobyornotoby

          Or you could say that he “laid the groundwork” for the divisiveness that currently plagues Canadian politics. His footsie with Quebec and Alberta separatists eventually led to this mess of minority government dysfunction. And his lawsuit, which now appears to have been a successful attempt to prevent a wholly justified criminal investigation, probably did more to undermine the independence of the RCMP than any of the leaks and electoral shenanigans since.

          Are you saying his admissions of taking envelopes of cash don’t give you any pause for thought, make you reevaluate his impact as a prime minister? You accuse critics of hating him, but it appears you are unable to receive new information, and just want to keep believing what you believed in 1988. What emotion is driving that subjectivity?

          • Northern PoV

            Thank you Toby
            Change the first word of your post to “and” (the 1995 near-death-by-referendum was an immediate consequence of M’s reckless dice rolling) and I think you nailed it so well!

            (But hey, let’s cut William a break – he likely wasn’t born yet in 1988)

    • Richard

      Wow finally a true blue got up the nerve to show their face. Must be some opinions out there that BM and his ilk might actually come out looking decent at the end of this drama.

      • William

        Easy Guys , you`re starting to froth at the mouth—–Like PM Harper, I didn`t like Mulroney in the `80`s and I still don`t care for him and I don`t care how he does in this inquiry. But I`m mature enough to let the past stay in the past and accept that PM Mulroney was a very capable leader in many respects.
        But, you have to understand that over a million people voted for the Reform Party in Ontario in 1993 and that Party didn`t exist in the previous election—that`s why the PC`s were reduced to 2 seats, not because they fell in love with Chretien.
        No i`m not surprised that Mulroney accepted envelopes of cash from a German businessman and I`m not surprised that envelopes of cash from a federal gov`t dep`t were distributed to friends of the Liberal Party in Quebec. I don`t like either situation. But I`m also happy to know that our present PM and I think, leader of the Opposition, are of good character and would not become involved in similar unethical situations.
        Also, the electoral split caused by Mulroney allowed a mediocre PM like Chretien to win three majorities—-the present minority situation is caused by a 3-way split on the left and opportunistic voters in Quebec.

        • Northern PoV

          just frothing like a latte….

          William, with your latest comment, this thread has enter farce territory ….
          you really need to contemplate the meaning of “Non sequitur (Latin for “it does not follow”), in formal logic, is an argument where its conclusion does not follow from its premises”

          (all quotes from wikipedia, btw)

          • William

            Sorry, if my thoughts do not appear on screen as clear as you would like. It may be my lack of skill on the keyboard or it could be you`re inability to practise objective reasoning because of an entrenched biased position ( think Aaron Wherry ).
            I don`t know what to tell you—-stay away from wikipedia, try clearing your head, read again out loud and slowly ?

    • kingbagot

      What Reagan, Mulroney, Thatcher,Bush,Bush and Harper have done to N.A. and the world over the past 30 odd years is worth 18 million plus.To watch a greased stained former P.M. squirm over coffee and a brown envelop priceless.

      Maybe Harper and Bush 2 next.

  • Peter

    Mulroney picks some ridiculous and false figures about the construction of the Mirabel airport and nobody questions it – ridiculous – very colorful however.

  • Peter

    Mulroney just told the commissioner that Mirabel ending up costing billions of dollars as costs ballooned – the truth is because Mulroney and the truth are strangers below

    “The sprawling facility some 40 kilometres north of Montreal was billed as the airport of the future when it was opened amid great fanfare in 1975. It cost $500 million at the time, including expropriation of dozens of farms.”
    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060221/mirabel_park_060221?s_name=&no_ads=

    • William

      Guys. Are you trying to tell me that the White Elephant Mirabel Airport was a profitable investment for the Trudeau gov`t ?
      Better give me some accurate annual figures to prove your point.

      • Peter

        Mirabel Airport turned out to be a white elephant. The point is that Mulroney, talking of cost over runs, exaggerated and knew better when he told the commission the final cost of Mirabel was several billion dollars. ( is it just an exaggeration or an outright lie that Wolson could not question or disavow not having the facts of costs of Mirabel at his finger tips) but Mulroney chose to play loose and free with the facts

  • richard

    Wow, just think of it! The CBC finally have a reality tv show, that they won’t have to pay millions of advertising dollars to get people to watch ! “Mulbaloney rides an Oliphant” chased by a very aggressive Wolfson about to rip out a cold, black heart……….or was that a gall bladder?? Entertaining soap opera for sure! Kady keep up with this fantastic blog!

  • Jim

    I would like to refer back to a comment from yesterday
    .. when we get right down to the rock bottom fact that he took the cash, he just says it was “a mistake,” an “error of judgment.” One that he repeated three times. ..
    You can argue BM’s dealings with KHS involved numerous errors. Let’s count the ‘minimum’ possible mistakes. Oct. 93 Meets KHS 1. receives cash 2. doesn’t deposit in bank. Nov. 93 meets KHS 3. receives cash again 4. doesn’t deposit in bank again. 5. Nov 94 meets KHS receives cash again 6. doesn’t deposit in bank again. If you map these course of events on a decision tree, there are countless checkpoints for BM ‘ to correct his course of action over at least THIRTEEN months. It appears to me we have numerous errors in judgement over a lengthy period! Contrast this with Marc Lalonde, a fellow politiican who apparently did work for KHS and the transaction was recorded in his law firm’s books of accounts.
    So, two former senior Canadian politicians dealing with same counterparty but different standard for record-keeping!

    • madeyoulook

      Is the method of payment to monsieur Lalonde on the record? Cash? Cheque? Invoices? Receipts?

      • leigh

        He was asked how Schreiber paid him and he said he was paid by cheque always

      • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O’Malley

        This came up during testimony at Ethics, and also during Lalonde’s appearance at Old City Hall, I believe: He invoiced Schreiber through his firm, and was paid by cheque.

  • knick

    Good to see that Wolson is getting to the nitty gritty of Schreiber’s access to Mulroney and to the timeline of their business arrangement. Schreiber does seem to have had a lot of access for a ‘peripheral’ relationship with Mulroney.

    Trivia note: Mulroney seems to have his overactive eye movements under control this morning. Wonder if someone pointed out to him that there’s a widely held belief that there’s a connection between eye movements and ‘storytelling’.

    • http://yappadingding.blogspot.com/ Yappa

      Maybe Mulroney was blinking secret messages in Morse code, like TV spies do when terrorists force them to read anti-government statements to TV feeds.

      • knick

        Or maybe a signal to Pratte that it’s time for another objection.

  • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

    All sympathy I had with Mulroney is now officially out the window, thanks to the spycams.

    Anyone have a legal view on what one should do if one had randomly come across a photoshopped image of Robin Sears wearing a loincloth?

    • madeyoulook

      PR flack photographs media people who are covering his client. WHO is soon to elevate this to category six-on-six threat to public decency, based on review of the learned commentary here. I guess you people haven’t been to too many PR-firm-managed press conferences.

      The outrage over the recording of public figures (reporters) at a public event should be safely stowed under the seat in front of you, or in the overhead bins. Please sit back, relax, and enjoy the afternoon.

      • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

        It’s a puerile and rather sinister strategy; being puerile and sinister at the same time is a bad idea. Robin Sears, I mean, not your comment, MYL.

        Anyway, that’s not the legal opinion I was looking for . . .

        • madeyoulook

          All right then, let me try one more time, with less subtlety.

          HE’S A PR FLACK! THIS IS WHAT PR FLACKS DO!!!

          They keep track of who is/are covering their clients. They search the web, they subscribe to online media databases, they order transcripts, they cut out clippings, they videotape news and current affairs programs, they “hear through the grapevine” which reporter is working on a story, they have a Rolodex of which reporter should get which leak.

          Look out, Mitchel Raphael. Make sure you don’t photograph a reporter at any of your champagne-and-caviar capital fests, lest more gaskets blow.

          • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

            Could you step up the sophistry a bit, MYL?

  • Peter

    Mulroney didn’t look in the envelope until he was about to put in his safe after riding back to the cottage. Why did he go to put it in the safe when he didn’t know what was in it? How and why did he conclude that it was something that had to put in a safe?

    • Jenn

      He’s testified earlier, Peter, that he counted the money before putting it in the safe. But how did he know it was good ole’ LEGAL Canadian tender if he didn’t look in the envelope when Schreiber gave it to him–or more importantly, when he accepted it?

      Also, a legal-sized envelope? That’s 8-1/2″ x 14″ ?? Not a cute #10 envelope? I mean, I certainly envisioned the kind of envelope you could stick in your inner jacket pocket. I even checked with a lawyer’s office to make sure there isn’t another size of legal-size envelope, but they didn’t know of any. So how big are these safes we’re talking about? Didn’t he testify he just threw the envelope in the safe?

      And that makes me question why the $1,000 bills. If you had a big envelope like that, why not fill it up with hundreds? Easier to spend and all.

      • madeyoulook

        Even big envelopes can be folded.

        • Jenn

          Yes, that conclusion came to me right after I sent that. I guess I was so surprised it was a North American legal (as opposed to A4 or something), practicality flew out of my head.

          But as to the cash, was it $225,000-$300,000 each of three times, or in total?

          • madeyoulook

            Hey, don’t ask me. I’m the guy who still has a hang-up on potential Mulro-parsing of “225K” being US dollars for the amount quoted by MBM when each envelope might have held one hundred C$1000-bills.

            And I am still tripped up at the thought of a European bank holding that many Canadian G-notes.

            Besides, I wasn’t there at any of the envelope drops. There has been no testimony offered under oath that says I was there. I am not the guy who plunked down $16.95 for a cup of tea and the tiramisu one table over at the Queen Elizabeth Hotel (there is no receipt on this as it got refused on my expense account). I did have geographical proximity relations with those men — Mulroney and Schreiber — at the Pierre Hotel. Why, if I had missed the exit, I might even have been late for not holding a glass to the hotel room door in Mirabel.

          • madeyoulook

            Sigh. Ya know, MYL, if you’re gonna take a lame stab at sarcastic humour, at least get the script right:

            I did not have geographical proximity relations with those men — Mulroney and Schreiber — at the Pierre Hotel…

  • BigChinBigTarget

    I very much hope Wolson’s next question when Mulroney mentioned the European companies that deal in cash was “such as Airbus?”

  • knick

    As a lawyer, Mulroney showed astounding gullibility in assuming that the first cash envelope from Schreiber was merely ‘unusual’, and never bothering to follow up with anyone who he knew had received payments from Schreiber about how ‘unusual’ it was.

    • DianeG

      “Astounding gullibility” – how implausible.!

    • http://yappadingding.blogspot.com/ Yappa

      “Gullibility”… Um, I think it’s called spin. He knew exactly what he was doing. Lots of evidence indicates he’d been taking envelopes of cash for years (as well as having Verchere deposit kickbacks in Swiss bank accounts). BM and his enormous staff of lawyers and PR consultants have spent years coming up with stories that spin his actions so that he seems to have not broken any laws.

      Hopefully, Wolson will show how implausible Mulroney’s explanations are. Such as, maybe… He dealt in cash all the time – not small amounts, but safes-full at 24 Sussex and his other residences. He was extremely close to Schreiber from before he became PM. Schreiber had extraordinary access to PM Mulroney. Mulroney forced Air Canada to buy Airbus planes, and very likely benefited from the $20M kickbacks Airbus gave Schreiber. …and so on.

      All of that has come out in books and the media. This is the time to decide whether it’s true or not.

  • M.L. McRae

    A day or two ago Mr. Mulroney said that his visit to China included meeting with the Canadian ambassador to China. Didn’t he say something like, “Ambassadors are quite useful”. Today he said he wouldn’t have met with the “ambassador of the UN”, the Secretary General, to discuss providing these vehicles to the UN peacekeepers because it wouldn’t have been worthwhile?

  • knick

    oopsie daisy!

    When Oliphant asked him for clarification, Mulroney told him that he envisioned stockpiles of million dollar UN LAVs in countries like Rwanda, which could be used by the governments of the countries where they were being stockpiled until they were needed in case of some some future trouble in that country… That’s something the UN would definitely want to support.

    • Peter

      No wonder the UN is held in such contempt and has been very ineffective in world affairs if this represents their thinking and how they waste money.
      There is just more room for bribes and Mulroney was familiar enough with bribes to go to the UN with this proposal as he was well aware of the oil for food UN program in Iraq and how senior officials in the UN skimmed off millions of dollars – wasn’t the secretary -General’s son even involved in this.

      • M.L. McRae

        Didn’t he say today that he didn’t go to the UN to discuss his proposal? Did I miss it? I thought he responded to Mr. Wolson’s query that he didn’t bother going to the UN because the decisions to purchase these types of vehicles were not made at the UN but in the individual countries (explaining his travel to Russia, China, etc.).

        • Peter

          He told Oliphant “That’s something the UN would definitely want to support.” altho he tried to justify his jet setting all over the world as the purchase would have to be sanctioned by individual countries – so full of blarney it is hard to follow as Oilphant has found out.

      • knick

        Sorry, I guess the sarcasm in my last sentence wasn’t apparent. The point I tried to make so unsuccessfully is the Mulroney’s concept is so full of holes it looks like swiss cheese. It makes his claim that he was ‘retained’ by Schreiber for only international activities somewhat problematic. The idea that the UN, which is forever strapped for money, would support the purchase of million-dollar LAVs to simply stockpile them wherever trouble might break out at some future date is highly unlikely. Not to mention that the stockpiling of these vehicles in countries like Rwanda, which is condemned for it’s human rights violations, would contravene the human rights principles of the UN.
        Sorry about that.

        • M.L. McRae

          Any wonder why he never made the flight from Montreal to New York and instead flew all over the world to discuss the concept?

    • knick

      “2:25:48 PM
      If he’d been successful in selling the United Nations on the LAV plan, Wolson asks, where were they supposed to come from? Not Canada, since he had, after all, killed the project, and Mulroney’s response is, to be frank, a mess: he suggests Germany, or maybe somewhere else, but doesn’t seem to have given it much thought, since – well, that’s what’s hard to figure out; it’s as though he never believed that he would actually *make* the sale, so he didn’t bother worrying about the supply. He doesn’t even know if Germany could legally sell tanks to China or Russia.”

      And there you have it…

  • Tam

    Who is paying Mulroney’s lawyers in this?

    • William

      I`m not sure but when you investigate would you also try to find out who paid for the Liberal lawyers during the Gomery Inquiry when millions of Federal dollars were transferred to friends of the Liberal party in Quebec.

      • Tam

        one-note-William

        that was not my question

    • Geoff Small

      Taxpayers, presumably. It’s a Public Inquiry.

  • Peter

    Isn’t it strange that when Mulroney goes to Europe in Feb 1998 (this is very late in this saga) and rather than invite to an elaborate lunch, his good old friends Mitterand, Kohl or Yeltsin whose phone numbers he has in his back pocket, he makes a wide search to locate and contact the cheat, liar, energizer bunny (Mulroney’s own characterization) Schreiber, and invites Schreiber to an elaborate breakfast at the Savoy Hotel in Zurich. Schreiber must be held by Mulroney, as a man of much importance and esteem, to receive such attention and benevolence and he is not a rogue in the eyes of Mulroney after all.

    • leigh

      And remember that according to Mulroney, Schreiber was not considered to be ‘prestigious’.

    • Stephen

      He could have but he would have hired Jojo the psychic. Mitterand died in 96.

      • Peter

        What makes you think that Mulroney would not have tried to arrange that or at least tell the enquiry he tried to arrange that through his many good friends who are all world leaders.( but play second fiddle to Schreiber if Mulroney is looking for a luncheon companion ).
        In fact none of these world leaders were even given time to meet Mulroney privately at Harrington Lake ( just Mulroney and Schreiber) in his last days in office like Schreiber was.

        • Stephen

          Mulroney went on a much criticized farewell tour right at the end…he met Yeltsin and they went Boar hunting (insert joke here).

          This is hardly a major point.

      • madeyoulook

        He could have but he would have hired Jojo the psychic.

        Oh dear. More unclaimed expenses against the declared $225,000 revenue. Mulroney sure lost big time for having no receipts, eh?

    • madeyoulook

      Peter, if I suddenly arrived on the same continent as someone who has on three occasions handed me [disputed amount] dollars cash, I am sure I would be inclined to wonder whether a lunch together could be arranged.

      • Peter

        However Mulroney has told the Commissioner that Schreiber is a scoundrel, liar, Energizer Bunny, a cheat and since Mulroney has not seen him for a long time why in the world would Mulroney go out of his way to renew acquaintances and canvas all over Europe to make contact him and invite him to that elaborate luncheon.

        • madeyoulook

          Well, then, permit me to rephrase for clarity if I suddenly arrived on the same continent as a lying cheating Energizer Bunny scoundrel who has on three occasions handed me [disputed amount] dollars cash, I am sure I would be inclined to wonder whether a lunch together could be arranged.

  • Anon

    Would it be out of line to request an on-demand-blog of the Library Committee with the PBO and Librarian? Pretty please?

  • Peter

    Is Mulroney trying to say that it would have been easier to take a cheque rather than cash from Schreiber in an office during business hours than in a hotel room – explain that one please.

    • madeyoulook

      I suppose the corollary is it would have been HARDER to accept an envelope stuffed with cash at the busy office. At least, with a minimum of fuss.

      • Stephen

        I never understood the fascination with location. Location is irrelevant, even cash isnt the point, the lack of documentation is the point.

        Of course the lack of documentation means that your only option is what thetwo consenting parties say its for. On one core point they agree, it was for future consulting and advice services. The debate is about whether it was fulfille dor not. The lack of documentation can be the cause of the very dispute, as it usually is in these cases.

        If thats what this is about do we need an 18 million inquiry about a commercial dispute over services rendered? Other than MBM asked for it.

        To prove reward for past services you would have to show that influence was exerted. There has been no evidence to that effect, and plenty to the contrary.

        Is KHS a slippery character, yes. Should MBM have been dealing with him, hindsight says no from an optics and ethics point of view.

        Will KHS be eating Prison Issue Bratwurst by the end of July…..likely…….

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