If however, you are talking about someone looking for a label for himself to excuse his absence from the country of his birth……..it would justify more digging.

However, now that the conservatives have spent all kinds of money on attack ads, getting Canadians thinking about politics anyway, they might as well capitalize on it.

All those without, well.. they don't really need a party to represent their needs anyway, do they?

Incidentally, all that adscam business? The Lib's managed to pull all that off while running a surplus. The Conservatives can't even give a billion dollars away to the American lumber industry without getting 50 billion in deficit.

If we're gonna have shysters running the place, I'd rather the shysters who know how to budget for it.

If your life is as chaotic and distorted as your writing…….I would say you are on some type of medication, or should be. Calm down…..you are embarassing yourself. Couple of points though.

Point 1 – Shcreiber may indeed be a whistle blower…..but he has nothing to do with Harper of the New Conservative Party.

Point 2 – Cadman’s wife has stated clearly that Harper had nothing to do with any offer made to her husband. Secondly, if any offer to help with election expenses were made, you can be sure it would be from Conservative donors and not stolen from the taxpayers, ala – Liberal style.

Point 3 – What 14 Billion are you talking about? (And would this be a policy decision that resulted in a 14 Billion dollar loss….or would it be money STOLEN by elected officials ala – Sponsorship? (If you can’t see the difference…I’m surprised you don’t vote NDP)

Point 4 – If you don’t like the “In – Out” method of paying for riding association advertisements, then I would recommend you call Liberal Headquarters and demand they stop doing it.

Point 5 – I would love to see the Public support of Political parties brought to an end. If you support a party, you should shell out from your own pocket. Don’t take it from me.

Point 6 – Don’t use the “God” argument on me….I’m an atheist. I still know right from wrong, however, and unless you were raised differently, you too would know that the Liberal Party was wrong when it stole money from the taxpayers.

Point 7 – The Liberals knew what they were doing was illegal, and they would be doing it today if they hadn’t been caught and lost power. Passing envelopes of Cash seems to offend you when Mulroney did it, yet seem perfectly OK when Liberals do it. Curious.

Point 8 – I’m a former Liberal supporter (Before I knew how corrupt Chretien and his party are) who couldn’t / Can’t stand Brian Mulroney.

Point 9 – As far as Paul Martin is concerned…..he did indeed let the country down. In many ways.
He fired all Canadian employees from “Canada Steamship Lines” and hired philipino’s instead, because Liberals know who cheap Philipino Labour is. (No word on if he kept their passports)
He used the EI fund to carry out his agenda, thereby ensuring we would end up in the EI mess we have today. Imagine that Leenie J……how far would that 46 Billion go today now that it’s needed?
Martin took credit for eliminating the deficit, when in fact what he did was steal the policies of the then REFORM Party. Martin did one better though……he sloughed off a greater portion of health care and education to the provinces, balancing the country’s books on the backs of the Provnices, and then he took credit for getting rid of the deficit. Nice trick.
By the way….most of the policies used to get rid of the deficit had no origin in the Liberal party. Here’s how the deficit was slain.

Mulroney – Free trade and GST (main reason we got rid of deficit)
Reform party Policies – Used by Martin to fix Canada’s books. The same policies by the way….that were writting by a young REFORM volunteer in his twenties. His name by the waywas HARPER.

Keep trying Loonie J…..but bear in mind some people actually pay attention to what is going on, and won’t automatically believe the crap you spew, simply because you want them to believe it.

The Liberal PARTY IS CORRUPT….and this has been proven time and again. They won’t change, as corruption is their nature and their reason for wanting power. Personal Gain….that’s all Liberals understand.

I love Joe Clark. What is wrong with socially progressive, fiscally conservative again? Other than, of course, that idealogy being hijacked by Mulroney and his ilk. I have hopes for Ignatieff in this regard.

and on and on…

methinks the Filler-cons (blanket statement intentional) have very little ground left to stand on since they’ve been slinging so much of that rich mud they have.

i’m also curious about comments made here that the Libs stole something when in fact they were given stolen monies (not the same thing, but the equivocation is telling of the character of those who undertake to make it); and yet presently under a different ideology which purports to be conservative in nature we have none of our own money left to fend for ourselves financially as a country. in 3.5 yrs poof! it’s gone. interesting.

the Bush govt knew in 2008 (CNN finally reported/admitted *that a couple months ago) the US was in a recession; and this Fake-Conservative govt was close friends with the Bush administration. why were Canadians left up the creek without a paddle? indifference (Dion’s panicking, he’s crazy; everything’s fine; go and invest in the stock market)? opportunity (“synchronized” global recession)? incompetence? (trained aint the same thing as an actual track-record). i’m glad we had Paul Martin much as i disliked him; he never let this country down the way the Fake-Conservatives have.

I never said he did, but thank you for pointing this out more than once.”

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Well, Chris, given that you are a Liberal supporter, and thereby a slow learner, I thought repetition would be beneficial.
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“As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party. Guite was a “hanger-on” from Mulroney, and the Liberals kept him on”

I think your understanding of the HR practices of the public service is faulty.”
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You’re right Chris……if I were a new manager intent on stealing from the business, I would prefer to keep the employee who WOULD NOT TELL THE COPS about the illegal activites, as opposed to the employee who did his duty and alerted the authorities. My bad.

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“while the masterminds in the Liberal Party (Various Liberal MP’s, mostly from Quebec) who were actually responsible for creating the scheme and carrying it out”

Who exactly are these masterminds? Where is the evidence and why hasn’t it been forwarded to the RCMP?”

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that’s the whole point Chris. We don’t know WHO they are, but we know WHAT PARTY THEY BELONG TO….and they’re not talking.
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“are most likely currently sitting in Parliament as Liberal MP’s.”

This sort of specious speculation is a sorry distraction from the real issues of the day. We need to do better.
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I don’t know Chris…..I think a Party responsible for the theft of Tens of Millions of dollars is a REAL ISSUE. Don’t you? Particularly when that same party is the only realistic option to the current Government. The BLOC will never form Government, and neither will the NDP. As for doing better…..we have it already. Harper. He’s head and shoulders above the Liberal Party…..and he’s not a thief. That’s good enough for me.

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STephen wrote:

“That’s right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives.”
“As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party.”

I need to contact the Liberal Party! Apparently, all they need to do is have a name change, and then they will be absolved of any wrong doing from the past. I propose either the “New Liberal Party” or “Liberal Classic”
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Nice try Stephen, however, the Liberal party could change its name………what it needs to change is its nature. Clifford Olson could change his name to Terry Fox….and he would still be a murderous bastard. The Liberals could change their name to “Canadian Values”….and they would still be hopelessly corrupt and unprincipled.

The new Conservative Party is composed mainly of fresh blood from the West, and those PC’s who did not like the direction of the Party under Brian Mulroney. It was far more than a name change, it was a cultural shift.
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“Liberals steal. You vote Liberal……..live with it.”

Or maybe JamesHalifax’s generalizations are too ridiculous. ”
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Or maybe James has taken the time to read a newspaper or two stating the LIberals “missappropriated” funds. (missappropriated is another word for Steal Stephen) Or perhaps I followed the Gomery Inquiry, a judicial inquiry that basically backs my main contention.

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The Conservatives are not free from scandal either, but I have better sense than to go around and say “all conservatives are corrupt.” Because they aren’t, as the Liberals aren’t either.
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The current “scandals” surrounding the Conservatives under Harper are lame compared to the Liberals. Conservative scandals involve biker-chicks, election financing strategy common to all parties, and ministers who believe in God. Liberal scandals on the other hand…..have a common theme. Personal enrichment on the backs of taxpayers, usually involving large sums of Tax payers dollars paid out to Liberals and their supporters for little or no work. Sorry Stephen….give me Julie Colliards breasts over Jean Chretiens Shawinigate, or the Sponsorship scandal any day.
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And only partisan hacks, on either side (some Liberals are guilty of it too), would make the crazy generalizations that James has.
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there are no blanket Generalizations here Stephen….everything I wrote is true. When I say Liberals, I’m writing about Big – L Liberals, not the citizens who vote Liberal and then forget about politics until the next election. Face it, as Andrew Coyne wrote, the Liberal Party is basically the political face of Power Corp in Quebec. And like all business entities…..they run on profit and gain. Public interest be damned.

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One good point about Iggy…….he’s the only Liberal Leader (who has a chance to be PM) in generations who has not been a President of that Company. (Though Bob Rae’s main backer and financier is his brother……who happens to work……can you guess where?

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are you suggesting that cunning/cruelty is smart? that viciousness is smart? because it gets results? then PMStephen’s your man. and “J-s-s” or Ghandi or Buddha or Lao Tzu is not (for those of you that have spiritual belief).

we tell kids to “love your neighbour as yourself”; not to bully each other; being the cheerleaders, egging the bully on, makes you just as culpable as the bully. it is little wonder why kids are so screwed up these days. they are following our lead through the ppl we choose.

coming from the greatest US butt-lickers of all time, that’s a crock! who had a recent campaign to woo the US on their behalf using our Canadian money to pay two foreigners to do that promotion?

all Canadians this side of history, except the FN ppls, are immigrants, and therefore, by Fake-Con logic, *not Canadian.

whatever.

the Fake-Cons pwn inferiority complex

Mr Ignatieff is not my fave, no party is; and clearly he is not perfect. but what i see in Ottawa right now is the worst i have ever seen, or any of my family members. even if i dislike the party hijack of our Parliamentary Democracy, we gotta start somewhere. the Liberals will have my thanks when the Fake-Cons are ousted.

considering PMStephen’s religion doesn’t he realize that even if you think it you’re wrong? please. go after Ignatieff like this and you insult so many other ppl in this country who’ve done the same thing. if you’re without error or mistake, go ahead and throw that stone; your glass house will shatter. remember there are 9 other “commandments” that PMStephen is beholden to. he’s the one who called himself a Christian. i hold him to it by his action and words; and by what he condones by being the head of his party. (“not doing the thing yourself; but having pleasure (benefit) in them that do it.”)

I need to contact the Liberal Party! Apparently, all they need to do is have a name change, and then they will be absolved of any wrong doing from the past. I propose either the “New Liberal Party” or “Liberal Classic”

“Liberals steal. You vote Liberal……..live with it.”

Or maybe JamesHalifax’s generalizations are too ridiculous.

The Conservatives are not free from scandal either, but I have better sense than to go around and say “all conservatives are corrupt.” Because they aren’t, as the Liberals aren’t either. And only partisan hacks, on either side (some Liberals are guilty of it too), would make the crazy generalizations that James has.

“As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party.”

I never said he did, but thank you for pointing this out more than once.

“As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party. Guite was a “hanger-on” from Mulroney, and the Liberals kept him on”

I think your understanding of the HR practices of the public service is faulty.

“while the masterminds in the Liberal Party (Various Liberal MP’s, mostly from Quebec) who were actually responsible for creating the scheme and carrying it out”

Who exactly are these masterminds? Where is the evidence and why hasn’t it been forwarded to the RCMP?

“are most likely currently sitting in Parliament as Liberal MP’s.”

This sort of specious speculation is a sorry distraction from the real issues of the day. We need to do better.

“Chris S. Wrote:
“And Chuck Guité was originally hired to the public service by Mulroney’s Conservative government”

JamesHalifax Wrote:
“That’s right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives.”

That’s right James. Doesn’t that make it difficult to call him a Liberal bag man?

Chris, if you read it again you will see I never said anything about Guite being the “Bagman”…..he was the scapegoat. Guilty…sure he was, but he was no more guilty than the other Liberals who allowed this to happen. As for Guite….he had nothing to do with Harper or the New Conservative Party. Guite was a “hanger-on” from Mulroney, and the Liberals kept him on because “You won’t rat on them…..you won’t rat on us”

Nice try though Chris….but that tactic has been tried before.

Guite and some ad execs were found guilty….while the masterminds in the Liberal Party (Various Liberal MP’s, mostly from Quebec) who were actually responsible for creating the scheme and carrying it out….walked.
Some of the very same MP’s who know where this stolen money is, or who personally benefitted from it….are most likely currently sitting in Parliament as Liberal MP’s. Do you think they won’t revert to form….given the chance again?

Liberals steal. You vote Liberal……..live with it.

If I can be so bold as to assist you in your talking points, may I suggest “attack ads which display elements of truthiness.” You can then say things like “I know he is American because I feel it in my gut.”

The current banking regulations exist because of a Liberal government. Wasn’t it Mr. Harper who wanted to let the banks merge and ease securities regulation? Further, how does a banking system ‘seem conservative’?

JamesHalifax Wrote:
“That’s right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives.”

That’s right James. Doesn’t that make it difficult to call him a Liberal bag man?

*Sigh*

Wow, how about let’s not spend money? Let’s save until the recession is up. It’s not the time to spend on any alternatives until we have a more safe economy, and how about we just contiune finding ways to re-train and get citizens their jobs back. hmmm? Now’s not the time to “SPEND” but of course the liberals will tell you that, what do they know about the economy? Liberals stand for more government spending, at least in their idealogy.

Not quite correct James.

Gomery never found that the LPC stole money; true, it received stolen money but it never “stole” any monies.”

Yeah…keep telling yourself that. The money just magically appeared in brown envelopes and was passed to Liberals in Italian restaurants. And Bill Clinton “DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN”……..and he didn’t inhale.

Face it Norm…..you know the Liberal party is a nest of thieves……..but they’re your nest of thieves, so turning a blind eye is forgiveable.

Norm Goes on:

” And do not forget that Benoit Corbeil (director of the Liberals’ Quebec wing who was behind this behaviour) was sued by the LPC for fraud as well.”

If you actually believe the Liberal Party’s most senior members were not aware of the pilfering of public monies……then I have a bridge to sell you. Denis Coderre would probably be willing to sell you one…just tell him what colour.
Secondly, if you honestly think the Liberals wanted to “get to the bottom” of the Sponsorship Scandal, you would believe anything. Heck, you probably think Ruby Dhalla would make one hell of a boss if you were her nanny.

More Norm:

“But given the rest of your inarticulate post, I’m afraid that this distinction is probably too subtle for you to understand.”

If you find my post inarticulate, then I would submit you are illiterate…..of just a wee bit dim. Given you still vote Liberal, however, I am not surprised you are unaware of it.

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Chris S. Wrote:
“And Chuck Guité was originally hired to the public service by Mulroney’s Conservative government”

That’s right Chris. MULRONEY Government, as in Progressive Conservatives.

Not Harper, or the new Conservative Party. The Liberals did their best to paint the New Conservatives as not being at all similar to the Progressive Conservatives.

Until of course, people realized that the stink of Corruption that eminates from the Liberal Party is endemic, and not symptomatic. Instead of proclaiming complete innocence, the Liberals found it easier to taint all politicians as corrupt….the, “We’re thieves, but so are the other guys’” defence.

Only trouble is, Harper is NOT corrupt. Harper does NOT steal…….and Canadians know it. In fact, I’d say most people on these boards who vote Liberal, would rather lose their wallet in a traditionally Conservative Riding as opposed to a Liberal one. You may not agree with Conservative policy……but you do know they won’t steal from you. You certainly can’t say that about Liberals. They of the perpetual “hand in cookie jar” temperament.

JOKE:

Question: Why is Michael Ignatieff still in Canada?

Answer: Because Ruby Dhalla won’t give him back his passport.

Then again, maybe not.

Not quite correct James.

Gomery never found that the LPC stole money; true, it received stolen money but it never “stole” any monies. And do not forget that Benoit Corbeil (director of the Liberals’ Quebec wing who was behind this behaviour) was sued by the LPC for fraud as well.

But given the rest of your inarticulate post, I’m afraid that this distinction is probably too subtle for you to understand.

“Every $ that the RCMP and independent auditors identified as having ended-up in Liberal coffers was repaid to the taxpayers in full years ago. But you just keep making crap up “James”.

Well, two points.

First Point: Thank you for finally admitting that the Liberal Party was caught STEALING from the taxpayers. It’s not many Liberal supporters who admit they are still voting for a bunch of thieves. Most Liberal supporters who know they are voting for criminals claim ignorance so they will not be judged accordingly.

Second Point:
The key word is “Identified” …meaning, this is the money they had an actual paper trail to follow showing who received the STOLEN funds. The $40,000,000 is the amount for which the auditors and RCMP could not trace.

In case you still have trouble….I’ll give you a cliff notes version.

Imagine a group of crooks….let’s call them “The Laurier Gang” started robbing banks. Over the course of two years, they managed to steal $40,565,000 from various banks. The “Auto-Worker Bank” was bilked of $10,000,000, the “Bank of Health Care and Education” was robbed of $20,000,000….the “Bank of Minimum Wage worker” was taken for $10,565,000, until one day a reporter took down a license plate number and the getaway car was traced to “24 Sussex Drive”

Well, the “Laurier Gang” had a lot of friends, some in the Justice System….so they were not too concerned. Instead, the head of the “Laurier Gang” bought a first class ticket for the getaway driver to Denmark. The rest of the gang was asked for a list of names that could be scapegoated, or otherwise blamed.

The leader of the “Laurier Gang” knew the jig was up, but realized he could reduce the impact on he and his gang by sacrificing a couple of lower-end nobodies. They blamed a dude named Guite, as well as a few advertising executives. The plan worked perfectly. The guys who actually robbed the banks….no jail time, no punishment…..just a few dark clouds that would prevent them from robbing any more banks for the next few years.
To show remorse, the “Laurier Gang” decided to give back a bit of the cash. This was not from the goodness of their hearts however….it was because a few of the lower eschelon crooks went on a bit of a binge….and left a paper trail. About $565,000 was paid back.

The Laurier Gang said it was all a big misunderstanding….they were outraged about the abuse of the banks, and they would pay back the stolen money and punish those responsible.

Of course….we all know that they paid back a pittance and the Laurier Gang called it even. Now the Laurier Gang has a new Gang Leader. A Gang Leader who could not possibly be associated with the robberies and theft…..but who knows quite well what went on.
Right now, the Laurier Gang is simply bidding its time until the Gang is back in a position of power, and they can start looking for new banks…and getaway drivers. The people have forgotten……and the fans of the Laurier Gang couldn’t be happier.

It’s just a matter of time……and then the Banks will be at risk again.

We could debate endlessly as to why a majority of us do not participate in the governance of our country, but let’s focus on two trends: apathy amongst the electorate and an inaccessible political process. Granted, this trend has been developing for decades. In to fill the vacuum of participation comes our happy Conservative Party of Canada communications strategy. Question is, does this help or hinder the problem? If I’m already disillusioned with the public life of my country, will such advertisements outside of an election motivate me to become more involved or deepen my apathy? If the vast majority of Canadians cannot or do not access information about how their country is being run, will such advertisements improve or worsen this problem?

God forbid the recession comes to an end before the Libs can trigger an election.

Calling Harper names is not a very effective strategy. Canadians don’t listen to we political watchers. They make up their own minds. I know that from my adult children who hate politics but know they don’t want Ignatieff as PM. There think he is full of himself.

I only want that $100 because at the end of the year, I’ll make $111 or more and profit after the $10 interest.

The world is far more complicated than what you are making it out to be and in order to get to where you want to be we need to cede pretty much all the advances made since the stone age.

Yeah, like that time Big Media discovered that time Harper was plagiarizing a speech by the australian PM… oh wait that was Bob Rae.

The truth is that there is no giant conspiracy. “Big Media” is not Big Tobacco. If there was something astonishing about Ignatieff, the media would report on it. I guess they just dont think the fact that Micheal Ignatieff has a Parisian accent is news worthy.