UPDATED: $8.4 million a year to run the Giornopolis? A bargain at twice the price!

by kadyomalley on Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:28pm - 26 Comments

As noted by one of our commenters in the thread below, another small, but important difference between the House and Senate versions of Question Period is that, when the minister charged with answering a question — which, in the Senate, is nearly always Marjory LeBreton —  finds herself without a carefully prepared talking point to deliver in response,  she can always offer to take the question under notice, and provide a written answer at a future date.

Which, as it happens, is precisely how we ended up with a — well, not exactly full, but partial —  budget breakdown for the Prime Minister’s Office — the not-all-that-detailed details of which turned up in the Senate transcript this week,  less than a month after Senator Lorna Milne asked the following question:

Hon. Lorna Milne: Honourable senators, in February, the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance reported that conventional practice over the years was to list and clearly identify the expenditures of the Prime Minister’s Office as part of the expenditures of the Privy Council Office in the estimates documents. The committee learned, however, there would be nothing under the heading of PMO in the supplementary estimates 2008-09, Supplementary Estimates (B), or in the most recent Main Estimates document.

Can the Leader of the Government in the Senate undertake to provide honourable senators with the total amount estimated to be spent by the Prime Minister’s Office for 2009-10? How much dough is at the PMO?

Senator Comeau: Get a new assistant!

Hon. Marjory LeBreton (Leader of the Government and Minister of State (Seniors)): Honourable senators, Senator Milne fancies herself a poet now; it is a massive failure.

First, the honourable senator started her question about something occurring in the National Finance Committee. Honourable senators, I know that all ministers in the government post their expenses in accordance with the new provisions brought in. I have no idea what the honourable senator is talking about, so I will take the question as notice.

This week, the senator finally got her answer — well, an answer, anyway. According to the response, which was tabled last Tuesday, the 2009-10 budget for PMO is currently estimated at $8.4 million, of which the bulk — $7.1 million — goes to salaries and wages, and just over $1 million allotted for “travel, professional services and the cost related to the operation of the residences”, although it points out that  ”given the current reorganization of the PMO, these estimates have not yet been finalized.”  And no, Senator Milne wasn’t misremembering — it seems that the main estimates used to provide a more thorough explanation of where the money went:

Up to fiscal year 2005-06, the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) was identified as a separate program activity under the Privy Council Office’s (PCO) PAA. Since then, PCO has revised its PAA to reflect its reorganization to focus on its core functions. Under the new PAA, PMO’s budget and expenditures are now part of the program activity “provide professional, non-partisan policy advice and support to the Prime Minister and portfolio ministers”.

ITQ will cheerfully admit that her first response was, “Wow, that’s not much at all” — in fact, it seemed so very, very modest, especially the trifling $1.1 million for non-salary expenses, that we found ourselves wondering how on earth they could manage on such a tiny budget.

How could the Prime Minister and his retinue possibly afford to continue to travel the world, taking a leadership role on Afghanistan here, expounding on the relative buoyancy of the Canadian economy there, on such limited funds? And what about hiring high-powered American media fixers like Ari Fleischer and Mike McCurry, who, with fees “in the ballpark” of $24,000 per job, would already have reduced the annual budget by nearly five percent?

A quick scan of the most recent expense filings by PMO officials may provide some clarification, however — the vast majority of trips are via “government aircraft” — Challenger, we assume — which means that staffers — and prime ministers — can write off the air fare completely;  the actual cost of operating the plane would be covered by National Defence, and would show up in their budget, although likely not broken down per flight. Which leaves a lot more mad money to spend on outside consultants than would be the case if every airmile had to be accounted for under the PMO budget — especially when PCO picks up the tab for three months of Ipsos-Reid’s “communications research services”.

Really, the only thing left to figure out is whether the $8.4 million tab is higher, lower or pretty much the same as the PMO budget under previous governments, and ITQ is doing her best to track down those numbers. (It’s harder than it sounds; despite the senator’s insistence that the full breakdown used to be available in the main estimates, we’ve not been able to find the line items.) We’ll keep you posted — but in the meantime, ITQ readers, do you feel as though you’re getting good value for money? After all, it is your PMO too. Sort of. In theory. Just don’t get any crazy ideas about dropping by for a visit.

Oh, and one final note: We don’t want to unnecessarily alarm anyone, but it seems that the current occupant of 24 Sussex Drive is in grave danger of being declared a proactive disclosure delinquent: Stephen Harper hasn’t submitted a travel and hospitality expense report since December 2008, despite the fact that we’re approaching the end of the second quarter. Remember, accountability starts at the top, prime minister.

(On the other hand, we have no trouble believing that Guy Giorno has yet to file a single expense claim. Really, has there been a definitive spotting of him outside the confines of Langevin Block since he showed up last year?)

UPDATED IN CASE YOU’RE TOO BUSY AND IMPORTANT TO BROWSE THE COMMENTS:

In response to questions from the ITQ afterhours comment crew, I posted the following additional tidbits:

Because I clearly have no life whatsoever, I checked the travel expense reports filed so far this year for advance — which are only available for January, for the most part, although there are two staffers who filed claims for advance travel in early February; so far, there’s nothing from the G20/NATO trip.

Most of the filings note that government aircraft “was used for part of the trip”, which would reduce the final cost considerably, but the total so far for the five staffers involved is $12,229.13, which includes travel, accommodation and incidentals. That means that if January can be considered a typical month, as far as advance travel, the yearly bill for advance would be somewhere in the neighbourhood of $150,000, as long as staff is able to hitch a ride back on the Challenger most of the time.

There’s also a separate listing for “other expenses during trips”, which racked up $6,584.28 in 2008, almost all of which was for refreshments and snacks for PMO staff. My very favourite claim may be this one: $4.58 at a Mac’s in Calgary. For four people. The full list is available here.

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  • madeyoulook

    Stephen Harper hasn’t submitted a travel and hospitality expense report..

    You think he’s got a receipt for the bagel and coffee he picked up at Pearson five months ago? I suspect he never applied for a refund of expenses because he didn’t personally pay for anything. The military flies him, the RCMP drives him around, and I doubt he carries his own Amex to the front desk to check out by noon.

    • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

      He has staff.

    • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

      Well, he does have to file accommodation costs, at the very least — check his past reports; that’s often the only item listed.

  • WDM

    I wonder if the advance staff is included in this? Do they actually go out to the international location in question before the PM, and if so would these expenses be included in this $1.1m?

    • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

      Because I clearly have no life whatsoever, I checked the travel expense reports filed so far this year for advance — which are only available for January, for the most part, although there are two staffers who filed claims for advance travel in early February; so far, there’s nothing from the G20/NATO trip. Most of the filings note that government aircraft “was used for part of the trip”, which would reduce the final cost considerably, but the total so far for the five staffers involved is $12,229.13, which includes travel, accommodation and incidentals. That means that if January can be considered a typical month, as far as advance travel, the yearly bill for advance would be somewhere in the neighbourhood of $150,000, as long as staff is able to hitch a ride back on the Challenger most of the time.

      There’s also a separate listing for “other expenses during trips”, which racked up $6,584.28 in 2008, almost all of which was for refreshments and snacks for PMO staff.

      • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

        “There’s also a separate listing for “other expenses during trips”, which racked up $6,584.28 in 2008, almost all of which was for refreshments and snacks for PMO staff.”

        I hope they remember to eat healthy. Too much Pizza Pizza could alter the destiny of the country.

        • WDM

          Hopefully they stayed away from the Trident. Poor Dave Dingwall.

        • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

          My very favourite claim may be this one: $4.58 at a Mac’s in Calgary. For four people. The full list is available here.

          • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

            That’s hilarious! Must be . . . four coffees? Man, I thought Alberta was expensive!

          • http://www.williamhogg.ca William

            On Sept. 17, 2008, the PMs staff was reimbursed for an event in Trois-Rivieres. Is not there something wrong with that?

          • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

            Hey . . . yeah . . . hmm . . .

          • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

            According to this piece, it was from Trois-Rivières that the PM, presumably on campaign, spoke out on the listeriosis thing; perhaps it was because he was speaking as PM that his staff either joined him from Ottawa for the occasion or temporarily doffed their campaign hats and put on their PMO hats.

          • Entitled

            That’s got to be four packs of gum.

          • Jenn

            How is it that twelve people can be refreshed and snacked at the Pan Pacific Hotel in Vancouver for $242.81, while only ten people took $431.60 to be refreshed and snacked by the Fairmont Royal York in Toronto?

            Let’s not go to the Royal York anymore, kay?

      • WDM

        I wonder where the incoming advance staff (ie prepping for when a leader comes here) fits on this budget if at all. For example, if they put lunch on for Obama, does the PMO pay for that? Or is that some other general government department?

  • Darrell

    Remarkably tactless of Senator Comeau to impugn Senator Milne’s assistant on the floor of the Senate.

    Especially since I know Senator Milne’s assistant to be an extremely competent individual.

  • http://carnewsandviews.com jwl

    “the 2009-10 budget for PMO is currently estimated at $8.4 million, of which the bulk — $7.1 million — goes to salaries and wages,”

    I would love to have an expenses scandal over here, Kady, so it would be great if you can make that happen. I am in the mood to grab my torch and pitchfork. Does Canada have an equivalent for expensing the dredging of your Castle’s moat?

    Anyways, I find the $7.1 million more interesting and am curious to know how that compares to previous admins. Are the Cons over-paying for average staff or are they paying peanuts and employing monkeys?

    • anonlinereader

      harpers first act of Governance was to purchase & install a completly separate from Government computor system . How in the world could anybody except the Courts audit the PMO / Ruling Political Party books , computors etc . ?

  • John D

    Am I the only one who finds it deeply disturbing that the PMO is not considered as being significantly separate from the PCO as far as the estimates or PAA go?

  • Loraine Lamontagne

    A reminder regarding the Dingwall pack of gum: there never was a claim for reimbursement, nor reimbursement made, for a pack of gum. Do not confuse what the Conservatives were saying in the privileged environment of the House of Commons with what was on their website or with the findings of two independent audits. Dingwall never sought nor got reimbursement for a pack of gum.

    However, the Conservatives did use his image for their election ads. Once in power, the Conservatives did pay off Dingwall. The details of this deal remain secret to this day.

  • M-A

    “Under the new PAA, PMO’s budget and expenditures are now part of the program activity “provide professional, non-partisan policy advice and support to the Prime Minister and portfolio ministers”.”

    Okaaaaay. Anybody else see something deeply wrong with this ?? The PMO is filed under “non-partisan advice and support” ?

    Now, from the PAA guidelines over at Treasury Board Secretariat:

    “Departments must use the following criteria to identify a program within their PAA. A program must:

    1) be a budgetary unit (i.e. should have discrete and dedicated annual departmental funding);

    2) have a clearly identifiable societal area of intervention, that is, have an intended impact on either some aspect of society or some internal element of the government (e.g. the health of Canadians or an industrial sector’s competitiveness, cleaner environment or the management of government departments8);

    3) have a clear target population or client groups in the area of intervention; and

    4) be managed as an entity that:

    a) has clear governance (i.e. a decision-making authority that can make planning and allocation/reallocation decisions for the program);

    b) has unique expected results (i.e. outcomes exclusive to the program);

    c) has unique performance indicators (i.e. specific indicators that will be used to measure the program’s success toward achieving its expected result(s)); and

    d) can be reported on as a unique element (especially with respect to related management efforts, resources used, and results achieved). ”

    How on earth does burying the highly partisan work of the PMO within the “non-partisan” advice of PCO respond to these guidelines ? It fails even the most basic test of governance — never mind transparency and accountability and financial stewardship, which are the reasons why PAAs were invented in the first place.

    This is a massive failure on the part of PCO and Treasury Board Secretariat, who is responsible for the quality of the Government’s PAAs. If you want to support claims that the public service has buckled under the pressure partisan politics, this is a manna for you…

  • Arminius

    To find most of the real costs of travel/visits, you may need to look at the ‘host’ Department, which will normally be Foreign Affairs. Every time there is a Ministerial or Prime Ministerial visit to a country, it rips a gigantic hole in the local Embassy/consulate’s budget.

  • http://deleted Sandi

    Considering the economic times I think we should, as taxpayers, ask them to brown bag it.

    The Dingwall gum thing – wasn’t it proven that he did pay and/or reimburse for it?

    • Loraine Lamontagne

      Absolutely proven that Dingwall never claimed for reimbursement and was never was reimbursed for a pack of gum. By two separate, independent audits. Ian Brodie reminds us today in the TO Star that facts mean nothing in politics. Ninety-nine percent of Canadians ‘know’ that Dingwall stole $800,000 from taxpayers because they have a receipt for a pack of gum to prove it. That’s the surrealist reality.

  • David

    “she can always offer to take the question under notice, and provide a written answer at a future date.”

    Why not just start blathering about how Liberals want to raise your taxes – and your children?

  • David

    “My very favourite claim may be this one: $4.58 at a Mac’s in Calgary. For four people.”

    What’d they do, expense four packs of gum?

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