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	<title>Comments on: UPDATED: The first &#8212; and very possibly last &#8212; ITQ post in solidarity, or at least commiseration, with Pierre Poilievre.</title>
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		<title>By: Harbles</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-2/#comment-124624</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the gnomes of It-land have been busy. thumbs up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the gnomes of It-land have been busy. thumbs up!</p>
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		<title>By: Canuckistanian</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124623</link>
		<dc:creator>Canuckistanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 17:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i welsh on my debts, who gets gypped? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i welsh on my debts, who gets gypped? ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Canuckistanian</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124622</link>
		<dc:creator>Canuckistanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the term itself is not necessarily offensive (i would never use it though).  however, the context is important.  poilievre used the term tar baby in the context of referring to the carbon tax as ignatieff&#039;s &quot;illegitimate child&quot; and &quot;paternity testing&quot; etc.  this is a direct and explicit linking of tar baby to racial stereotyping.  it is quite clearly not an innocent slip imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the term itself is not necessarily offensive (i would never use it though).  however, the context is important.  poilievre used the term tar baby in the context of referring to the carbon tax as ignatieff&#8217;s &#8220;illegitimate child&#8221; and &#8220;paternity testing&#8221; etc.  this is a direct and explicit linking of tar baby to racial stereotyping.  it is quite clearly not an innocent slip imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124621</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 03:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved Mojos, I used to spend my whole allowance on them. *sigh*</description>
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		<title>By: North Gower</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-2/#comment-124620</link>
		<dc:creator>North Gower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kady, would you be our MP?</description>
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		<title>By: bigcitylib</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124619</link>
		<dc:creator>bigcitylib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paddy = Irish?  We are alot of trouble, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paddy = Irish?  We are alot of trouble, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Wascally Wabbit</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-2/#comment-124618</link>
		<dc:creator>Wascally Wabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rather amusing really.
I adopted the Wascally Wabbit monicker after William Kristol - well known New York Neocon columnist - mangled the Bugs Bunny running gag with Elmer Fudd - and obviously thought - in a typical right wing confusion of the facts - that it was Fudd who was vanquishing the Bunny in these cartoons.

Now we have Silly Poilievre applying the tar baby story to Ignatieff - without realizing the point that Br&#039;er Rabbit loved to get his Rabbit *ss into the Briar Patch to escape the Fox.

Maybe we&#039;ll be seeing later today a presser from Mr. Tenycke explaining - on behalf of Mr. Poilievre - that the reference to Tar Baby was of course linked to the Tar Sands..but that will only dig him in deeper - because all the pro-Big Oil types have been using Oil Sands to &quot;sweeten&quot; the image!

As to the racial epithet assumption - it really depends upon your interpretation of what Harris&#039; intent was - with these stories.

Uncle Remus
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Uncle Remus in Uncle Remus, His Songs and His Sayings: The Folk-Lore of the Old Plantation, 1881Uncle Remus is a fictional character, the title character and fictional narrator of a collection of African American folktales adapted and compiled by Joel Chandler Harris, published in book form in 1881. A journalist in post-Reconstruction Atlanta, Georgia, Harris produced seven Uncle Remus books.

Uncle Remus is a collection of animal stories, songs, and oral folklore, collected from Southern United States blacks. Many of the stories are didactic, much like those of Aesop&#039;s fables and the stories of Jean de La Fontaine. Uncle Remus is a kindly old slave who serves as a storytelling device, passing on the folktales to children gathered around him.

The stories are told in Harris&#039; version of a Deep South slave dialect. The genre of stories is the trickster tale. The term &quot;uncle&quot; was a patronizing, familiar and often racist title reserved by whites for elderly black men in the South, which is considered by some to be pejorative and offensive. At the time of Harris&#039; publication, his work was praised for its ability to capture plantation negro dialect.[citation needed]

Br&#039;er Rabbit (&quot;Brother Rabbit&quot;) is the main character of the stories, a likable character, prone to tricks and trouble-making who is often opposed by Br&#039;er Fox and Br&#039;er Bear. In one tale, Br&#039;er Fox constructs a lump of tar and puts clothing on it. When Br&#039;er Rabbit comes along he addresses the &quot;tar baby&quot; amiably, but receives no response. Br&#039;er Rabbit becomes offended by what he perceives as Tar Baby&#039;s lack of manners, punches it, and becomes stuck. Now that Br&#039;er Rabbit is stuck, Fox ponders how to dispose of him. The helpless, but cunning, Br&#039;er Rabbit pleads, &quot;Please don&#039;t throw me in the briar patch,&quot; prompting Fox to do exactly that. As rabbits are at home in thickets, the resourceful Br&#039;er Rabbit escapes. Using the phrases &quot;please don&#039;t throw me in the briar patch&quot; and &quot;tar baby&quot; to refer to the idea of &quot;a problem that gets worse the more one struggles against it&quot; became part of the wider culture of the United States in the mid-20th century.

The animal stories were conveyed in a manner in which they were not deemed as ostensibly racist by many among the audiences of the time; by the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the &quot;old Uncle&quot; stereotype of the narrator, long considered demeaning by many blacks, as well as Harris&#039; racist and patronizing attitudes toward blacks and his defense of slavery in his foreword, rendered the book indefensible to many. Without much controversy the stories became less popular.[citation needed]

Harris himself said, in the introduction to Uncle Remus, that he hoped his book would be considered:

…a sympathetic supplement to Mrs. Stowe&#039;s [author of Uncle Tom&#039;s Cabin] wonderful defense of slavery as it existed in the South. Mrs. Stowe, let me hasten to say, attacked the possibilities of slavery with all the eloquence of genius; but the same genius painted the portrait of the Southern slave-owner, and defended him.

Mark Twain read the Uncle Remus stories to his children, who were awed to meet Harris himself. In his Autobiography Twain describes him thus:

He was the bashfulest grown person I have ever met. When there were people about he stayed silent, and seemed to suffer until they were gone. But he was lovely, nevertheless; for the sweetness and benignity of the immortal Remus looked out from his eyes, and the graces and sincerities of his character shone in his face.

Twain wrote that &quot;It may be that Jim Wolf was as bashful as Harris. It hardly seems possible....&quot; Jim Wolf being a person from the first humorous story Twain ever told—the story recorded in &quot;Jim Wolf and the Cats&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rather amusing really.<br />
I adopted the Wascally Wabbit monicker after William Kristol &#8211; well known New York Neocon columnist &#8211; mangled the Bugs Bunny running gag with Elmer Fudd &#8211; and obviously thought &#8211; in a typical right wing confusion of the facts &#8211; that it was Fudd who was vanquishing the Bunny in these cartoons.</p>
<p>Now we have Silly Poilievre applying the tar baby story to Ignatieff &#8211; without realizing the point that Br&#8217;er Rabbit loved to get his Rabbit *ss into the Briar Patch to escape the Fox.</p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;ll be seeing later today a presser from Mr. Tenycke explaining &#8211; on behalf of Mr. Poilievre &#8211; that the reference to Tar Baby was of course linked to the Tar Sands..but that will only dig him in deeper &#8211; because all the pro-Big Oil types have been using Oil Sands to &#8220;sweeten&#8221; the image!</p>
<p>As to the racial epithet assumption &#8211; it really depends upon your interpretation of what Harris&#8217; intent was &#8211; with these stories.</p>
<p>Uncle Remus<br />
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>
<p>Uncle Remus in Uncle Remus, His Songs and His Sayings: The Folk-Lore of the Old Plantation, 1881Uncle Remus is a fictional character, the title character and fictional narrator of a collection of African American folktales adapted and compiled by Joel Chandler Harris, published in book form in 1881. A journalist in post-Reconstruction Atlanta, Georgia, Harris produced seven Uncle Remus books.</p>
<p>Uncle Remus is a collection of animal stories, songs, and oral folklore, collected from Southern United States blacks. Many of the stories are didactic, much like those of Aesop&#8217;s fables and the stories of Jean de La Fontaine. Uncle Remus is a kindly old slave who serves as a storytelling device, passing on the folktales to children gathered around him.</p>
<p>The stories are told in Harris&#8217; version of a Deep South slave dialect. The genre of stories is the trickster tale. The term &#8220;uncle&#8221; was a patronizing, familiar and often racist title reserved by whites for elderly black men in the South, which is considered by some to be pejorative and offensive. At the time of Harris&#8217; publication, his work was praised for its ability to capture plantation negro dialect.[citation needed]</p>
<p>Br&#8217;er Rabbit (&#8220;Brother Rabbit&#8221;) is the main character of the stories, a likable character, prone to tricks and trouble-making who is often opposed by Br&#8217;er Fox and Br&#8217;er Bear. In one tale, Br&#8217;er Fox constructs a lump of tar and puts clothing on it. When Br&#8217;er Rabbit comes along he addresses the &#8220;tar baby&#8221; amiably, but receives no response. Br&#8217;er Rabbit becomes offended by what he perceives as Tar Baby&#8217;s lack of manners, punches it, and becomes stuck. Now that Br&#8217;er Rabbit is stuck, Fox ponders how to dispose of him. The helpless, but cunning, Br&#8217;er Rabbit pleads, &#8220;Please don&#8217;t throw me in the briar patch,&#8221; prompting Fox to do exactly that. As rabbits are at home in thickets, the resourceful Br&#8217;er Rabbit escapes. Using the phrases &#8220;please don&#8217;t throw me in the briar patch&#8221; and &#8220;tar baby&#8221; to refer to the idea of &#8220;a problem that gets worse the more one struggles against it&#8221; became part of the wider culture of the United States in the mid-20th century.</p>
<p>The animal stories were conveyed in a manner in which they were not deemed as ostensibly racist by many among the audiences of the time; by the mid-20th century, however, the dialect and the &#8220;old Uncle&#8221; stereotype of the narrator, long considered demeaning by many blacks, as well as Harris&#8217; racist and patronizing attitudes toward blacks and his defense of slavery in his foreword, rendered the book indefensible to many. Without much controversy the stories became less popular.[citation needed]</p>
<p>Harris himself said, in the introduction to Uncle Remus, that he hoped his book would be considered:</p>
<p>…a sympathetic supplement to Mrs. Stowe&#8217;s [author of Uncle Tom's Cabin] wonderful defense of slavery as it existed in the South. Mrs. Stowe, let me hasten to say, attacked the possibilities of slavery with all the eloquence of genius; but the same genius painted the portrait of the Southern slave-owner, and defended him.</p>
<p>Mark Twain read the Uncle Remus stories to his children, who were awed to meet Harris himself. In his Autobiography Twain describes him thus:</p>
<p>He was the bashfulest grown person I have ever met. When there were people about he stayed silent, and seemed to suffer until they were gone. But he was lovely, nevertheless; for the sweetness and benignity of the immortal Remus looked out from his eyes, and the graces and sincerities of his character shone in his face.</p>
<p>Twain wrote that &#8220;It may be that Jim Wolf was as bashful as Harris. It hardly seems possible&#8230;.&#8221; Jim Wolf being a person from the first humorous story Twain ever told—the story recorded in &#8220;Jim Wolf and the Cats&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows?  Certainly talking about paternity tests and putting it up for adoption is milking an analogy to a real baby and is not the way the phrase has been used by others when it simply stands in for sticky situation.

In any case, an apology could have ended this but it seems they want to leave open the door for continuing to use the unwanted baby analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows?  Certainly talking about paternity tests and putting it up for adoption is milking an analogy to a real baby and is not the way the phrase has been used by others when it simply stands in for sticky situation.</p>
<p>In any case, an apology could have ended this but it seems they want to leave open the door for continuing to use the unwanted baby analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wascally Wabbit</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-2/#comment-124616</link>
		<dc:creator>Wascally Wabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 12:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure about &quot;off the reservation&quot; Kady - but I&#039;d be upset if someone referred to my recent tonsorial extravaganza as &quot;scalping&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure about &#8220;off the reservation&#8221; Kady &#8211; but I&#8217;d be upset if someone referred to my recent tonsorial extravaganza as &#8220;scalping&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: motor</title>
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		<dc:creator>motor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 12:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a very young child we bought penny candy like &#039;mojo&#039;s&#039;, 3 for a penny and little black licorice baby&#039;s that we referred to as &#039;tar babies&#039; as well as, in an even a more derogatory way.

As a very young child, I knew no better, intended no harm, and had no idea about racism, but as an adult, I would never, never, repeat those words as I perceive them as very derogatory, despite the actual definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a very young child we bought penny candy like &#8216;mojo&#8217;s', 3 for a penny and little black licorice baby&#8217;s that we referred to as &#8216;tar babies&#8217; as well as, in an even a more derogatory way.</p>
<p>As a very young child, I knew no better, intended no harm, and had no idea about racism, but as an adult, I would never, never, repeat those words as I perceive them as very derogatory, despite the actual definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 12:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! 46% of us voter for the three other parties! The Ottawa Citizen even called him incompetent after 4 years on the job and endorsed the Green Party candidate for the area.

That said, I agree with Ms O&#039;Malley. Listening to PP on a talk radio program with the other candidates in Nepean last year, he didn&#039;t know the difference between &quot;popular&quot; and &quot;populist&quot;, and we all know he doesn&#039;t understand what &quot;partook&quot; infers, so it doesn&#039;t surprise me he uses words haphazardly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! 46% of us voter for the three other parties! The Ottawa Citizen even called him incompetent after 4 years on the job and endorsed the Green Party candidate for the area.</p>
<p>That said, I agree with Ms O&#8217;Malley. Listening to PP on a talk radio program with the other candidates in Nepean last year, he didn&#8217;t know the difference between &#8220;popular&#8221; and &#8220;populist&#8221;, and we all know he doesn&#8217;t understand what &#8220;partook&#8221; infers, so it doesn&#8217;t surprise me he uses words haphazardly.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 06:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with others that it&#039;s the context that makes it offensive, it was obviously referring to a tar BABY, not a thing or a concept like the other examples that were listed in Kady&#039;s post.

I&#039;m not sure he meant to be offensive, so I can&#039;t understand why he wouldn&#039;t just say so and apologize instead of being belligerent and defensive about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with others that it&#8217;s the context that makes it offensive, it was obviously referring to a tar BABY, not a thing or a concept like the other examples that were listed in Kady&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure he meant to be offensive, so I can&#8217;t understand why he wouldn&#8217;t just say so and apologize instead of being belligerent and defensive about it.</p>
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		<title>By: KadyITQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KadyITQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would have been completely freaking awesome, and would have scored many points with ITQ, not that she\\&#039;s a demographic that he\\&#039;s particularly interested in courting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would have been completely freaking awesome, and would have scored many points with ITQ, not that she\\&#039;s a demographic that he\\&#039;s particularly interested in courting.</p>
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		<title>By: paulsstuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulsstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it would have been better if he referred to it as Rosemary&#039;s baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it would have been better if he referred to it as Rosemary&#8217;s baby.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Pierre&#039;s trying to take the expression &quot;back&quot;. Like Randall in Clerks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Pierre&#8217;s trying to take the expression &#8220;back&#8221;. Like Randall in Clerks.</p>
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		<title>By: paulsstuff</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124609</link>
		<dc:creator>paulsstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So please, explain away why it&#039;s ok for the CBC to use that same term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So please, explain away why it&#8217;s ok for the CBC to use that same term.</p>
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		<title>By: paulsstuff</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124608</link>
		<dc:creator>paulsstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insert any number of Iggy iokes here. Ontarian, political gain, the list is endless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insert any number of Iggy iokes here. Ontarian, political gain, the list is endless.</p>
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		<title>By: paulsstuff</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124607</link>
		<dc:creator>paulsstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean this Stockwell Day?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_zolf/archive/zolf000411.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean this Stockwell Day?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_zolf/archive/zolf000411.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_zolf/archive/zolf000411.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: BCer in mtl</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124606</link>
		<dc:creator>BCer in mtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Some of my best friends are black&quot;

Sheesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some of my best friends are black&#8221;</p>
<p>Sheesh</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124605</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Meanwhile, one of ITQ’s countless fans at PMO sent along the following examples of various media outlets, reporters and former Liberal cabinet ministers using the phrase “tar baby”, &lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s the problem with this PMO, isn&#039;t it? Ignorance, petulance, and pettiness.

But, that&#039;s okay.

Their days of &quot;tarring&quot; civility in this country is about to come to an abrupt end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Meanwhile, one of ITQ’s countless fans at PMO sent along the following examples of various media outlets, reporters and former Liberal cabinet ministers using the phrase “tar baby”, </i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem with this PMO, isn&#8217;t it? Ignorance, petulance, and pettiness.</p>
<p>But, that&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>Their days of &#8220;tarring&#8221; civility in this country is about to come to an abrupt end.</p>
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		<title>By: sophiageffros14</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124604</link>
		<dc:creator>sophiageffros14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of words that actually have racist meanings- paddy wagon and to gyp someone?
What the heck?
It disturbs me that I was unaware of their etymology.
Same for tar-baby, but I&#039;d never heard it used before now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of words that actually have racist meanings- paddy wagon and to gyp someone?<br />
What the heck?<br />
It disturbs me that I was unaware of their etymology.<br />
Same for tar-baby, but I&#8217;d never heard it used before now.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124603</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear.  Looks like it&#039;s already begun.

http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear.  Looks like it&#8217;s already begun.</p>
<p><a href="http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html" rel="nofollow">http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Olaf</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124602</link>
		<dc:creator>Olaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like &quot;gone broken arrow&quot;.  Sounds military code word-y.  And reminds the listener of some fine cinematic work by John Travolta and Christian Slater, which is really just a bonus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like &#8220;gone broken arrow&#8221;.  Sounds military code word-y.  And reminds the listener of some fine cinematic work by John Travolta and Christian Slater, which is really just a bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124601</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, another fantasy story from Wayne&#039;s World. Two days ago you were a &#039;beancounter&#039; who failed to see the financial crisis coming. Any other stories you want to tell us today ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, another fantasy story from Wayne&#8217;s World. Two days ago you were a &#8216;beancounter&#8217; who failed to see the financial crisis coming. Any other stories you want to tell us today ?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124600</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  You think so?  I doubt it.  If he used it to describe a person, maybe, but a concept like the carbon tax?

Naa.

He did handle it incorrectly, he should have simply said he didn&#039;t know there was a negative definition of that, apologize and shut up.  After all, Gooddale did, essentially, give him an easy out - he should have taken it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  You think so?  I doubt it.  If he used it to describe a person, maybe, but a concept like the carbon tax?</p>
<p>Naa.</p>
<p>He did handle it incorrectly, he should have simply said he didn&#8217;t know there was a negative definition of that, apologize and shut up.  After all, Gooddale did, essentially, give him an easy out &#8211; he should have taken it.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124599</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit of a nit-pick, but he was not questioning the legitimacy of the baby (which was after all a key election campaign position) he was questioning the paternity of the  baby and implying that it was Iggy&#039;s all along. Br&#039;er Harper gobbled up Br&#039;er Dion whilst he was encumbered by the &quot; adopted tar baby&quot; and is now waiting to see if Br&#039;er Iggy will pick up his baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit of a nit-pick, but he was not questioning the legitimacy of the baby (which was after all a key election campaign position) he was questioning the paternity of the  baby and implying that it was Iggy&#8217;s all along. Br&#8217;er Harper gobbled up Br&#8217;er Dion whilst he was encumbered by the &#8221; adopted tar baby&#8221; and is now waiting to see if Br&#8217;er Iggy will pick up his baby.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124598</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot; ... since the moment you find yourself embroiled in a debate over whether or not you’re a racist, or just clueless, you’ve pretty much lost.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That much we definitely can agree on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221; &#8230; since the moment you find yourself embroiled in a debate over whether or not you’re a racist, or just clueless, you’ve pretty much lost.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That much we definitely can agree on.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124597</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That doesn&#039;t even cover others like honky, cracker, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That doesn&#8217;t even cover others like honky, cracker, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124596</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s just crass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s just crass.</p>
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		<title>By: Kady O&#039;Malley</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124595</link>
		<dc:creator>Kady O&#039;Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, he was definitely pushing the barriers of good taste with the whole illegitimate baby metaphor, no question -- but I don&#039;t think he intended us to think that baby was of any particular colour. I&#039;d have to say that the fact that this thread exists, and that I just felt the need to type the previous sentence ought to serve as a sufficiently terrifying cautionary tale for any politician, since the moment you find yourself embroiled in a debate over whether or not you&#039;re a racist, or just clueless, you&#039;ve pretty much lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, he was definitely pushing the barriers of good taste with the whole illegitimate baby metaphor, no question &#8212; but I don&#8217;t think he intended us to think that baby was of any particular colour. I&#8217;d have to say that the fact that this thread exists, and that I just felt the need to type the previous sentence ought to serve as a sufficiently terrifying cautionary tale for any politician, since the moment you find yourself embroiled in a debate over whether or not you&#8217;re a racist, or just clueless, you&#8217;ve pretty much lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124594</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one wants to avoid offending people, one stays well away from anything which may be interpreted in unintended ways (particularly if those ways refer to race). That is the first rule of radio broadcasting, for example. That is exactly the opposite of what Poilievre did today. He was sailing very close to the wind and he knew it because he did so deliberately to get play for his response. It&#039;s not as if Poilievre doesn&#039;t have form for this sort of thing. Sorry, Kady, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Politicians should not be constantly trying to get away with it as he clearly was in this case, they should be trying to raise the level of discourse and lead by good example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one wants to avoid offending people, one stays well away from anything which may be interpreted in unintended ways (particularly if those ways refer to race). That is the first rule of radio broadcasting, for example. That is exactly the opposite of what Poilievre did today. He was sailing very close to the wind and he knew it because he did so deliberately to get play for his response. It&#8217;s not as if Poilievre doesn&#8217;t have form for this sort of thing. Sorry, Kady, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Politicians should not be constantly trying to get away with it as he clearly was in this case, they should be trying to raise the level of discourse and lead by good example.</p>
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		<title>By: Kady O&#039;Malley</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124593</link>
		<dc:creator>Kady O&#039;Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I confess to also having a forbidden fondness for &quot;off the reservation&quot;, and greatly wish that it could be rehabilitated and released into the linguistic wild once more -- but unless and until it does, will glumly substitute less satisfying terms like &quot;gone rogue&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess to also having a forbidden fondness for &#8220;off the reservation&#8221;, and greatly wish that it could be rehabilitated and released into the linguistic wild once more &#8212; but unless and until it does, will glumly substitute less satisfying terms like &#8220;gone rogue&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: sapphireandsteel</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124592</link>
		<dc:creator>sapphireandsteel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay that&#039;s just being idiotic.


It&#039;s fine with me if we still refer to you as douche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay that&#8217;s just being idiotic.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine with me if we still refer to you as douche.</p>
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		<title>By: Kady O&#039;Malley</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124591</link>
		<dc:creator>Kady O&#039;Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would tend to agree that, in this case, Poilievre is not well served by examining the use of the term in context. Honestly, though, and painfully naive though it may turn out to be, I just can&#039;t believe that anyone, let alone an elected official, would knowingly use such a repellent and unmistakably racist metaphor, only to subsequently hide behind the &quot;gosh, I didn&#039;t know it was a loaded term&quot; defence. Dog whistle politics is one thing, but if intended, that would be a flight of rhetoric so egregious that optics-savvy KKK members would give it wide berth. Which is why I suspect this is just a case of spectacularly bad luck, followed by still worse judgment in not realizing (or, at least, admitting that he realized) that he had committed a dreadful faux pas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would tend to agree that, in this case, Poilievre is not well served by examining the use of the term in context. Honestly, though, and painfully naive though it may turn out to be, I just can&#8217;t believe that anyone, let alone an elected official, would knowingly use such a repellent and unmistakably racist metaphor, only to subsequently hide behind the &#8220;gosh, I didn&#8217;t know it was a loaded term&#8221; defence. Dog whistle politics is one thing, but if intended, that would be a flight of rhetoric so egregious that optics-savvy KKK members would give it wide berth. Which is why I suspect this is just a case of spectacularly bad luck, followed by still worse judgment in not realizing (or, at least, admitting that he realized) that he had committed a dreadful faux pas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124590</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;On that side of the House, they have the man who fathered the carbon tax, put it up for adoption to his predecessor and now wants a paternity test to prove the tar baby was never his in the first place.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Pipsqueak Pierre used a deliberately provocative term in order to grab attention. He knew exactly what he was saying and how it would be interpreted. If he had used &#039;tar baby&#039; in a different context, it might have been in the Brer Rabbit sense. But he used it in a context where he is speaking about paternity. He is exactly what Denis Leary was singing about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;On that side of the House, they have the man who fathered the carbon tax, put it up for adoption to his predecessor and now wants a paternity test to prove the tar baby was never his in the first place.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Pipsqueak Pierre used a deliberately provocative term in order to grab attention. He knew exactly what he was saying and how it would be interpreted. If he had used &#8216;tar baby&#8217; in a different context, it might have been in the Brer Rabbit sense. But he used it in a context where he is speaking about paternity. He is exactly what Denis Leary was singing about.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124589</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon my youth, but being born in the late 1980&#039;s, I have absolutely no idea what a &quot;tar baby&quot; is.
Is it perhaps a baby born of parents working in the oil sands?
Seriously, help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon my youth, but being born in the late 1980&#8242;s, I have absolutely no idea what a &#8220;tar baby&#8221; is.<br />
Is it perhaps a baby born of parents working in the oil sands?<br />
Seriously, help!</p>
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		<title>By: bigcitylib</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124588</link>
		<dc:creator>bigcitylib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, given that it was used to describe a TAX I can&#039;t see it being, in this context, a racial slur, although there will be  alot of fake outrage flung about and if something can be made to stick to the Tories by the other parties than more power to them.

On the other hand, I&#039;ve always liked the phrase &quot;to go off the reservation&quot;, meaning when someone goes off message, but nowadays I am told that too is off-limits.  Pity, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, given that it was used to describe a TAX I can&#8217;t see it being, in this context, a racial slur, although there will be  alot of fake outrage flung about and if something can be made to stick to the Tories by the other parties than more power to them.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;ve always liked the phrase &#8220;to go off the reservation&#8221;, meaning when someone goes off message, but nowadays I am told that too is off-limits.  Pity, really.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124587</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright then, PC folks, can we have a statute of limitations on how long we can continue to use the following terms before &quot;everyone knows&quot; they are beyond-the-pale derogatory?

Black Hole, astronomical term, sharing physical properties with the sticky tar baby;
Dark Side of the Force, popular culture (Star Wars);
Black Gold, petroleum;
Chinese Food, culinary;
French Fries, culinary;
English Muffins, culinary.

And why oh why do people everywhere get away with &quot;White Trash&quot; -- I find that a very offensive term, suggesting insanely that &quot;non-white&quot; is presumed to be trash already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright then, PC folks, can we have a statute of limitations on how long we can continue to use the following terms before &#8220;everyone knows&#8221; they are beyond-the-pale derogatory?</p>
<p>Black Hole, astronomical term, sharing physical properties with the sticky tar baby;<br />
Dark Side of the Force, popular culture (Star Wars);<br />
Black Gold, petroleum;<br />
Chinese Food, culinary;<br />
French Fries, culinary;<br />
English Muffins, culinary.</p>
<p>And why oh why do people everywhere get away with &#8220;White Trash&#8221; &#8212; I find that a very offensive term, suggesting insanely that &#8220;non-white&#8221; is presumed to be trash already.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124586</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre is a disgusting cretin of a what I am not sure. Human? Not on your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre is a disgusting cretin of a what I am not sure. Human? Not on your life.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124585</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the Time link.  I still don&#039;t see the trouble; perhaps that makes me hopelessly naive.

In Africa, it&#039;s a trap made of sticky glue/tar.  In B&#039;rer Rabbit, it is a decoy that is a trap made of sticky glue/tar that engulfs you even more when you try to free yourself.

And now... it&#039;s a racial slur?  I am still missing something in between.  Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the Time link.  I still don&#8217;t see the trouble; perhaps that makes me hopelessly naive.</p>
<p>In Africa, it&#8217;s a trap made of sticky glue/tar.  In B&#8217;rer Rabbit, it is a decoy that is a trap made of sticky glue/tar that engulfs you even more when you try to free yourself.</p>
<p>And now&#8230; it&#8217;s a racial slur?  I am still missing something in between.  Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: DianeG</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124584</link>
		<dc:creator>DianeG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a native of Windsor Ontario and can say that during my youth that term was definitely racist. I heard it used that way and only that way by some members of a generation older than me.. I thought the term had fallen into disuse. There are so many other, better ways to say what P. appears to have meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a native of Windsor Ontario and can say that during my youth that term was definitely racist. I heard it used that way and only that way by some members of a generation older than me.. I thought the term had fallen into disuse. There are so many other, better ways to say what P. appears to have meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Kady O&#039;Malley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kady O&#039;Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1221764,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Time Magazine&lt;/a&gt; wrestled with exactly that question a few years back. We&#039;re just a little late to the controversy up here, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1221764,00.html" rel="nofollow">Time Magazine</a> wrestled with exactly that question a few years back. We&#8217;re just a little late to the controversy up here, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
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		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, help this naive ignoramus out, please:  HOW did that term come to acquire its status as a prohibited item?

(Although obviously not as prohibited as some words, since so many are using it:  nobody&#039;s calling it the T--B-- word)

Is it that a white women might deliver a baby whose pigment far surpassed that of the presumed father, leading to some unpleasant aftermath?  Is it something else?  Can that something else be discussed in polite company?  Just what is the deal here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, help this naive ignoramus out, please:  HOW did that term come to acquire its status as a prohibited item?</p>
<p>(Although obviously not as prohibited as some words, since so many are using it:  nobody&#8217;s calling it the T&#8211;B&#8211; word)</p>
<p>Is it that a white women might deliver a baby whose pigment far surpassed that of the presumed father, leading to some unpleasant aftermath?  Is it something else?  Can that something else be discussed in polite company?  Just what is the deal here?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael T</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/29/the-first-and-very-possibly-last-itq-post-in-solidarity-or-at-least-commiseration-with-pierre-poilievre/comment-page-1/#comment-124581</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>canada, land of no sophistication and hating those who are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>canada, land of no sophistication and hating those who are.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.....is PP really an Ontarionian?  He&#039;s from Calgary - here for his own political gain, but will he stay?  In it for himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;..is PP really an Ontarionian?  He&#8217;s from Calgary &#8211; here for his own political gain, but will he stay?  In it for himself.</p>
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