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When keeping it partisan goes wrong

by Aaron Wherry on Friday, May 29, 2009 2:13pm - 71 Comments

As Kady notes, things apparently got a bit uncomfortable during QP this morning. Here’s the full extent of Mr. Poilievre’s comments. Emphasis ours.

Hon. John McKay (Scarborough—Guildwood, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, in the first year the government sole-sourced 40% of its $17 billion in military procurements. It is estimated that sole-sourcing increasing costs by 30%. However that is just the tip of the iceberg. We have a finance minister who has a talent for pricing illegal contracts to his friends but shows no aptitude for estimating deficits. We have a Prime Minister who craves appearances on U.S. television while driving Canada’s fiscal house into the ditch. Why?

Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, CPC): Mr. Speaker, on this side of the House, we have a leader, a real Canadian leader. On that side of the House, they have the man who fathered the carbon tax, put it up for adoption to his predecessor and now wants a paternity test to prove the tar baby was never his in the first place. He attacks the deficit that he voted for but wants billions more for a 45-day work year. On this side of the House, we stand for lower taxes, strong economic action plan, getting the job done for Canadians. That is where we stand. That is our leader.

Mr. LaVar Payne (Medicine Hat, CPC): Mr. Speaker, last May, CTV’s Craig Oliver asked the Liberal leader: Now that you’re the first leader as a candidate for leader to talk about a carbon tax and you took a little bit of heat for that, do you still believe in a carbon tax? Of course you do. The Liberal leader replied: I do, Craig. I learned there’s no punishment more severe in politics than being the first guy with a good idea. Is that what the Liberal leader meant when he asked, last month, “Will we have to raise taxes?” Would the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister please inform the House?

 

Mr. Pierre Poilievre (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, CPC): Mr. Speaker, the Liberal leader should give himself more credit. He fathered the carbon tax idea. Then he generously put it up for adoption to his predecessor. And now, of course, he wants a paternity test to prove that this tar baby is not his. He says the coalition on which he signed in support of would break up the country. He attacks the deficit that he voted for and wants billions more of spending, even on a 45-day EI work year. When he is in Britain, he is British. When he is in America, he is American. When he is in B.C., he is against the auto bailout. When he is in Ontario, he wants it to be bigger. The Liberal leader does not seem to know who he is.

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  • Andrew (not Potter or Coyne)

    Oops.

  • Wayne

    Tar-Baby was a doll made of tar and turpentine, used to entrap Br’er Rabbit in the second of the Uncle Remus stories. The more that Br’er Rabbit fought the Tar-Baby, the more entangled he became. In contemporary usage, “tar baby” refers to any “sticky situation” that is only aggravated by additional contact. The only way to solve such a situation is by separation.[1]

    • WDM

      HE’S A SEPARATIST!!!!!!

      • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

        BURN THE WITCH!

        • Wayne

          well done Kady! that is the next logical step isn’t it. speaking of witches and such do you know the history of waterboarding? check it out sometime – see good ol boy Torquemada’s invention and his Spanish Inquistion : ” Nobody Like The Spanish Inquistion ” (monte python joke)

          • http://iheartmusic.net/serendipity matthew

            EXPECTS the Spanish Inquisition. It’s “Nobody EXPECTS the Spanish Inquisition”. I know you’re…well, you, but would it kill you to get something right at some point in your life?

          • James

            Also, it's Monty. Monte is a card game you should try playing next time someone offers you the chance.

      • Jenn

        Oh, I’m laughing too hard to type. And I for sure didn’t see that coming. Perfect.

    • Wayne

      I stand corrected EXPECTED matthew by the way I think you need more fibre in your diet as after all renting out your emotional space over a misplaced word or even one taken slightly out of context is … (can you see the point I am trying to make = probably not) ROFL! have a good day go to the beach relax already.

      • Kenneth

        No. It is “Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition.”

  • MJ Patchouli

    Is he meaning what I think he may be meaning, or would that just be too crass for even Poliviere?

  • Critical Reasoning

    Like Kady, I was not aware that the term “tar baby” had negative connotations in the US. As Kady points out, it’s a fairly obscure term. I”ve hardly ever seen it used.

    From wikipedia:

    Tar-Baby was a doll made of tar and turpentine, used to entrap Br’er Rabbit in the second of the Uncle Remus stories. The more that Br’er Rabbit fought the Tar-Baby, the more entangled he became. In contemporary usage, “tar baby” refers to any “sticky situation” that is only aggravated by additional contact. The only way to solve such a situation is by separation.

    Although the term’s provenance arose in African folklore, some Americans now consider “tar baby” to have negative connotations revolving around negative images of African-Americans. Specific reasons why the term developed negative racial aspects are easy to identify. In recent years, several politicians who have publicly used the term have encountered some controversy, mocking, and censure from African-American civil rights leaders, members of the popular daily media, and other politicians. Regardless, the history of ‘the tar baby’ in its original form by far precedes the accusations of its racist associations.

    • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

      It’s possible the fact that you’ve not often seen it used is because it engenders exactly this reaction. In my case, I think I wound up going with “quicksand” instead, but wasn’t entirely satisfied with the result.

  • john g

    See Akin’s blog for previous recent uses of “tar-baby” by the Toronto Star (twice) and Liberal minister Lloyd Axworthy.

    See corresponding lack of outrage or notice at the time.

    • http://myblahg.com Robert McClelland

      See corresponding lack of outrage or notice at the time.

      Is it our fault if you weren’t paying attention at the time.

    • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

      I’ve posted the same quotes – which I got from the same friendly PMO source – over at ITQ. But do we know whether there was, in fact, a “corresponding lack of outrage or notice at the time”? Seems to me that one would have to go back to see whether there was, in fact, a negative reaction.

      • john g

        Well Kady as I’m sure you’ve figured out, I’m not a fan of either the Star or the Liberals, and I watch the news pretty closely; if they’d been criticized publically for something like this, you can be pretty damn sure I’d have noticed.

        Why can’t you guys just admit it…you hate Poilievre, and will make a big deal out of things that he does that you wouldn’t bother noticing if it were someone else, simply because you don’t like him and you want to make his life difficult. It’s perfectly freaking obvious…why can’t you just admit it?

        • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

          You realize I actually defended him, right?

          • john g

            I have to remember to be clearer about this…

            “You guys” means the media in general. Yes, you personally (sort of) defended him, all while continuing to draw attention to the fact that he made what could be interpreted as a racist comment. The best defense would have been if nobody mentioned it at all. Because it wasn’t worth mentioning when it came from Susan Delacourt, Lloyd Axworthy, or from a Toronto Star editorial. For things like this, any attention, even your defense, is worse than no attention.

            It should have been a non-story; the only reason this is a story anywhere in the news or on this blog is because it’s Poilievre. He’s a sore spot with you all and you all want to see him put in his place.

          • http://www2.macleans.ca/category/blogs/national/inside-the-queensway/ Kady O'Malley

            Hey, I probably wouldn’t have written about it had I not come very close to doing exactly the same thing just a few weeks ago. Now you’re making me wish that I had gone ahead and used it against the advice of my colleagues, just to see what the reaction would have been.

          • john g

            Everybody likes you Kady…if you’d done it, no one would have given it a second thought, at least not publically. Until Poilievre, probably seeing your post and thinking nothing of the term, got blasted for it, then your post would have been added to the Delacourt and Axworthy examples.

          • john g

            In fact Kady, someone used it even more recently than that.

            Stephen Taylor has dug up no less than 5 uses of the term “tar baby” by Canadian media since the beginning of 2008. The most recent was 11 days ago. Chantal Hebert is among those who used it as well. I’d say that it’s pretty much clear that the media has no problem with the use of the term when it comes from one of their own, despite your colleague’s warnings to you. Nor, apparently, is it a problem when a prominent Liberal like Lloyd Axworthy uses it.

            So can we finally admit that the only reason for this hypocritical focus on this particular occurrence is because it’s Poilievre?

        • http://deleted Sandi

          Good grief – because he’s a PARTISAN and says vile things is why no one likes him.

          I suggest you do some research on this little worm.

          • john g

            It is truly hilarious to watch the most partisan of commenters on here complain about partisanship

    • http://deleted Sandi

      What do you think this is – confession? That doesn’t change the fact that Poilievre said and it is wrong and nasty.

      Lack of outrage is disturbing.

      Poilievre – first our native peoples and now this? Who’s next the Asians?

  • http://www.twitter.com/lobbycanada Lobby Canada

    Pierre Poilievre is degrading to the House of Commons and Canadian politics in general. Austerity and civility would increase by 42% if he weren’t present. Stephen ‘Real Canadian’ Harper should send the guy to the corner for a time-out.

    • Bryan

      As Dan Gardner wrote last December: “The fact that Stephen Harper would name as his Parliamentary secretary Pierre Poilievre — a callow, ultra-partisan, and fundamentally silly man-boy — says a great deal about the prime minister.”

      • Gdanszczanka

        If we are to take you seriously it would be better if you quoted someone who was not a member of the Liberal Party

        • Bryan

          While I do so wish do be taken seriously by people I do not know on Internet comments boards, I don’t believe he is a member of the Liberal party, but he does spent a lot of time out of the country doing research, so he may not be a real Canadian, this is true.

  • Jason

    Didn’t know? In the US?

    Lloyd Axworthy was pilloried for this a few years back: http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2003/1211/cn10-1.html

    As were, in the last few years, Mitt Romney, John Kerry, Bush press secretary Tony Snow, John McCain, Virginia Foxx, etc. have gotten into hot water for using the derogatory term that many consider racist.

  • http://caiti-online.blogspot.com/ Transcanada

    This isn’t the first time Poilievre has made remarks that could be construed as racist. Last June he made remarks about Canadian aboriginals which we at least offensive and at worst racist.

    from wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Poilievre#Comments_about_Canadian_Aboriginals

    Poilievre suggested that native people need to learn the value of hard work more than they need financial compensation. Poilievre made the comments during a radio interview June 11, 2008, just hours before Prime Minister Stephen Harper apologized for abuse Aboriginal children endured in once-mandatory residential schools.

  • http://deleted Sandi

    I just asked a neighbour’s daughter, who’s home after having her tonsils out and is “18″ years old “what does the tar baby mean to you – she said she wasn’t sure but knew it was a nasty remark about people of colour.

    She’s 18 and knows about it.

  • simon

    Are you kidding me???

    Fuddle duddle this isn’t

    If Poilievre was 89 and used the phrase “tar baby” in its 19th century meaning I could buy it. But a 29 year old claiming that he never heard the phrase used as a racial slur is too much to believe.

    • john g

      I’m in my 30′s and I’ve never heard that term used as a racial slur.

      • Tim

        I’m 23 and have also never heard it.

        • madeyoulook

          Early forties. Ditto.

          • Scott M.

            32 myself, and I ran across it with Axworthy. At that time, I knew it was a problem because tar-baby simply sounds racist, even if it isn’t.

      • Douglass

        28, and I knew it was a racial slur.

      • http://www.savedarfur.org Sophia Geffros

        14- I’d never heard it used period, but I would have been mighty uncomfortable if I had- it sounds bad.

        • john g

          14? You can’t be 14. You’re way too intelligent and well spoken to be 14.

          • sophiageffros14

            Upon my honour, I was born in late 1994.

        • cribqueen

          My hope in the future is restored!!

      • PhilCP

        40′s….never heard the term used as anything except a racial slur

    • Sean Stokholm

      I’m 40. I have some vague memory of reading it in Br’er Rabbit when I was a kid, but have never heard it used as a racial slur (not denying it can mean that in some regions/cultures, just not in my experience), or even as a metaphor (and it’s an awfully strained one at that, as PP uses it, but I guess that’s another thread).

    • JP

      I didn’t know HOW controversial the term was, but I had a sense that it was radioactive. After all “Song of the South” is the one Disney movie they won’t release on DVD.

      I’m willing to concede though that some people may genuinely not be aware that the term has any racist connotations. Furthermore, Poilievre would not have knowingly used a racist term since that’s suicide for any politician.

      It pains me to write that though since he is such a little prick and so richly deserves to be taken down by a real scandal.

      • Scott M.

        Agreed. Had I grown up reading about Br’er rabbit I may have had a different feel about that. Perhaps he did.

        As the first encounter I had was from a politician, I looked at it critically and determined it would likely be a slur.

        Giving him a bye on this one sucks though — he really, desperately needs to be knocked down a few notches.

    • sf

      I’ve never heard it at all. Period. 30s. This whole thing is just another phony controversy. Of course, it’s not surprising to see Wherry jump all over it.

    • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

      I’m 32 and I’d never heard of it or known it was a racial slur.

      The wikipedia article CR quoted above isn’t very helpful on why it’s a racial slur. Knowing nothing about this, I’d wager the character in Br’er Rabbit is the personification of the figure of speech, not the origin. I don’t know if I quite buy the African origin either. I’d guess at random that it’s an old figure of speech from Days of Yore that then got reapplied, as a racial slur, to African Americans in the South.

      There must be another aspect to it, though, which no one seems to be discussing, since Pollièvre on both occasions used it to refer to an unwanted illegitimate child:

      “On that side of the House, they have the man who fathered the carbon tax, put it up for adoption to his predecessor and now wants a paternity test to prove the tar baby was never his in the first place.”

      So conceivably, guessing from a combination of Pollièvre’s usage and the racial slur angle, it’s used to refer to unwanted child fathered by a white man with a black woman, which apparently would make the illegitimate baby that much more unwanted. But if the racist angle is, as I theorise, new, conceivably Pollièvre (and Hébert) are using an old, non-Southern version, in which the “tar” is not a reference to the poor baby’s skin colour but to some weird folktalish Ye Olde stuff.

      Anyway, my two cents. Seems clear that one should not use it, even if blissfully unaware of the racist slur angle: describing an opponent’s policy in terms of unwanted illegitimate children is rather uncouth (is that what Pollièvre means in French, “uncouth”?). Prefer “hot potato.”

      • Critical Reasoning

        Jack, I’m a few months older than Mr. Poilievre, and I’ve never read nor heard “Tar Baby” used in a pejorative context. Clearly, the term has its origins in African American folklore. I’m not sure if we can read too much into the “illegitimate baby” reference, other than the obvious inference that Mr. Poilievre was punning.

        If the term “tar baby” has ever been used to describe a biracial illegitimate child, surely Google will provide some evidence of this. Based on what I have learned about this obscure term, it seems likely that Mr. Poilievre was using the commonly accepted meaning (a sticky situation that entangles you), rather than some sort of covertly sinister meaning.

        Ironically, Poilievre’s use of the term “tar baby” has itself become a tar baby that has temporarily entangled him. What tangled webs we weave.

        • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

          Yes, on reflection (and on reading your comment here) I think most of my comment above was balderdash. My googling keeps pointing back to Br’er Rabbit, but I just doubt that that can be the origin of the phrase. Children’s books are not usually the source of phraseology.

          One thing is for sure, this is a very weird, and awfully obscure, term. (“Awfully obscure” being defined as “I’ve never heard of it.”) I find it hard to believe that any politician, even the fiery Pollièvre, would knowingly use a racist phrase on the floor of the House of Commons. Interesting, I must say, that you vouch for Pollièvre being actually a nice guy; I’m revising my opinion of him, if not of some of his antics.

          • Critical Reasoning

            Really, I’m just vouching for him based on my perception of him ten years ago. A lot has happened since then, so he may have changed. I have no idea. I just remember him as a nice, self-assured guy.

        • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

          ” . . . other than the obvious inference that Mr. Poilievre was punning.”

          Sorry, I only just figured that out. So to PP “tar baby” = “sticky situation,” “albatross,” vel sim. But it’s a baby so its paternity can be debated. Man, he’d lost me completely.

          • Critical Reasoning

            Heh. It was a weak attempt at partisan wit; nothing more, nothing less.

  • Oh Boy

    This reminds me of an incident in Washington, DC, (where I no longer live, BTW). An advisor to the mayor used the term “niggardly” (miserly) in reference to prudent budget management. It sparked an uproar as many African-American city employees were offended by what they had “heard”. He resigned, but was soon reinstated.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/williams/williams020499.htm

    PP’s use of a technically innocuous but potentially inflammatory term is somewhat similar. I believe that both tar baby and niggardly can, within proper context, still be used in writing. However, when spoken the terms can and do cause offense due to the perversions of slavery and racism. (That said, many people find Br’er Rabbit stories to be patently offensive, too, so perhaps it’s technical meaning is not so innocuous.)

    It is wise, when speaking — especially in a public or political forum — to avoid terms that can be construed by even worldly people as racially offensive.

    PP is not wise. He’s a political attack dog — much like Mr. Baird. Consequently, any slack we might grant another more measured politician is not forthcoming.

    PP gets no slack because he gives none.

    • nd

      Ah yes, I remember this incident with “niggardly”. At the time I remember thinking that the man in question must have been very imprudent to use that word in writing, but I guess it was actually used in conversation. I still stand by that – people in jobs with such a high public profile have to take extra care with their language. It’s kind of like the communications version of defensive driving – better to avoid the accident than insist on being “proven right”. And really, with such a wealth of synonyms for “miserly” or “cheap”, for a white public servant in a majority-black city to use “niggardly” of all of them indicates a misjudgement on his part.

      • Dave

        What’s the matter with “niggardly”?

        • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

          In a word, homophony.

          • Critical Reasoning

            Homophony? Hey, that sort of sounds perjorative. Are you accusing Dave of being a phony man, or perhaps a homophobe? It could easily be misinterpreted this way. You should have chosen your words with more care. You must apologise for this vile-sounding slur! ;-)

  • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

    Was his hair slick with product when he said it? I have a theory that it’s affecting him.

  • Tim

    Stupid Stupid Polievere, what a waste of a backbench.

  • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir Francis

    I’m actually surprised Poilievre possesses a wide enough scope of allusion to make such a reference, squalid though it is. I guess his cultural horizon does stretch beyond Archie comics after all. Who knew?

    • http://www.savedarfur.org Sophia Geffros

      Don’t degrade the truth and beauty that is Archie, in it’s 1950s melbatoast splendor.

      • sf

        I agree with you there, Archie is cool.

        • sophiageffros14

          We agree on something.
          Cue the apocalypse. ;-D

  • Critical Reasoning

  • Northern PoV

    Pierre’s goof brings to mind another political error involving his dear leader and TAR.

    What the Greens like to call the “Tar Sands” are marketed by Alberta and the Cons as “Oil Sands”.
    Back in the lousy “leaders debate” in the 08 election, May got Harper frustrated enough to repeat “tar sands” before reverting pointedly to “oil sands” in his next phrasing.

    The last thing the Cons want is to bring up is TAR. (Especially in relation to carbon.)
    duh

    Tar Sands/Tar Baby/Oil Sands

  • knick

    Other examples of the use of ‘tar babies’ refer to things – dolls, sticky things, not to people. Poilievre’s context was clearly people – ‘the man who fathered the carbon tax, put it up for adoption to his predecessor and now wants a paternity test to prove the tar baby was never his in the first place’. That is what makes his remark so stunningly ignorant, and racist.

    • kc

      Not to excuse PP, but i can see how its meant to be sticky with reference to Ignatieff. All the same the remark betrays, as you say, a stunning degree of ignorance and tactlessness. If it were anyone else – it doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see what PP would have made of a Liberal using this term.
      As Don says: ” you play with the bull, you get the horn.” Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy!

      • knick

        Given the apparent misinterpretation of his remark, which he made twice, the fact that he refuses to apologize suggests that he is either completely clueless, or that his use of the term was motivated by a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race.

        • kc

          I find it difficult to believe in this day and age that anyone would knowingly use the term in a racist context. However PP has made other gross and defamatory remarks about other groups ie., natives, and that on the occassion of the Gov’t apology – so who knows? I simply prefer to believe he’s simply a hyper-partisan moron. But it is nice to see him squirm!

  • Dave

    I’m 48, so I’m old enough to remember the Saturday Night Live sketch where Chevy Chase is playing an interviewer who is giving prospective employee Richard Pryor a “simple word association test” in which the words start off neutral and then gradually become racist slurs. “Tar baby” is clearly used there as an insult to people of colour:

    http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75ginterview.phtml

    I don’t think even Poilievre would stoop so low as to use “tar baby” as a racist slur – he probably heard the Br’er Rabbit fable as a child, and the term stuck in his head. But it seems obvious to me that anyone with any feel for the English language or any sensitivity whatsoever would be able to figure out that people might misinterpret what he is saying.

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