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Because it worked so well for Prime Minister Dion

by Aaron Wherry on Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:14pm - 31 Comments

Adam Radwanski laments that Michael Ignatieff’s side isn’t sticking closer to the high road.

The Conservatives have frequently and not undeservedly been accused of dumbing down this country’s political debate. It bears noting that not once but twice this week, Michael Ignatieff’s Liberals didn’t just dumb down debate – they actively played dumb.

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  • James Connors

    I’m not impressed either.

    Harper has a credibility problem; were I a Liberal I would be at pains not to confuse this issue.

  • avr

    Why should Ignatieff bother to stick to the high road? He can quite easily have the best of both worlds, mudslinging in QP while at the same time being constantly endorsed as the Last Decent Canadian Politician (Who By the Way is Also Brilliant)™ by friendly media hacks.

  • Blues Clair

    Ignatieff stick to the low road, it will lead straight to a Globe and Mail endorsment next election.

    • Leo F.

      Ignatieff: hint at major bailouts of the private media in this country. That’ll secure endorsements.

  • http://www.jackmitchell.ca Jack Mitchell

    I guess there are two distinct temptations: to dumb down the debate and to debase the debate. The former is regrettable and lamentable, but to my mind “low road” signifies the latter.

    • Critical Reasoning

      If the debate is dumbed down enough, it will inevitably become debased.

  • hosertohoosier

    Canadians say they like high-minded debate, but they have consistently re-elected leaders that have lied to them, dumb down the national debate, play games with national unity and run the best attack ads.

    Then our newsmedia and “ordinary” Canadians claim “oh no, we want a respectful parliament,” etc.

    I don’t blame our political party leaders at all – they focus group everything they do and give us what we want: bitter, divisive partisan politics. You can see this all the time – for instance, you can get most people to agree with you that blind partisanship is ruining this country. Yet they will almost certainly blame that partisanship along very partisan lines. “Oh, the partisanship is just terrible, that is why we need to take down Stephen Harper.” “I agree – our politicians just don’t respect ordinary Canadians. Thankfully we got rid of those Liberals and their sticky fingers.”

    1988 was the last substantive election in this country. I mean look at who has been winning since – its certainly not the saints.

    1993-2003
    Kim Campbell suggested that Canada’s economic recovery might not be all that rapid. Chretien said jobs jobs jobs, the deficit – she take care of herself while attacking Reform’s proposed cuts (Chretien made the deepest spending cuts of any PM in history), and implied that he would eliminate the GST (he didn’t) and would implement national childcare (that didn’t happen till the Liberals were desperate, and didn’t last either). Chretien routinely used the national unity club against the Reform party, turning everything into a matter of national unity. His answer to one question about Canada’s low productivity growth was “the opposition is unpatriotic.” Up against Stockwell Day, Chretien implied he would bring in American-style healthcare (which Day never proposed) and had Warren Kinsella mock Day’s Christian beliefs. Day ran a positive campaign, but often a vapid one himself, with lots of cheesy stunts and photo ops. The result? He improved substantially on the results of the more cerebral Manning in 1997, and did far better than the competent and principled Joe Clark. Indeed, Clark was the worst performing PC leader in history.

    2003-2006
    What of Paul Martin? When the Gomery scandal hit, Martin acted pretty boldly in cleaning house and taking responsibility. He dropped in the polls. The ensuing election was all scandal all the time for Stephen Harper, and for the most part it worked. Martin only saved himself in the last week of the campaign by running negative ads claiming Harper would eliminate a woman’s right to choose (didn’t happen), bring in Americans-style healthcare (didn’t happen) and send Canadian troops to fight in Iraq (didn’t happen). In his ensuing job as prime minister, Martin was derided for “having many priorities”, as if one could govern a country as complex as Canada with five point plans. There was some skullduggery too, including bribing Belinda Stronach to cross the floor. However, if you look at the polls, he gained support after doing so. In the ensuing election, he lost to Harper, whose negative ad campaign was more effective. Yes, it is true that Harper spent every day of December making a policy announcement (the positive phase of his campaign). The polls at the end of December 2005 had barely moved. Only Harper’s (unfair as we now know) exploitation of the income trust leak issue and ensuing negative ads (plus Martin’s overreach) put Harper over the top.

    2006-2009
    In Harper’s time in office he has been periodically rewarded by the electorate for playing political games, and done most poorly when he has not. Harper has had two low-points in the polls. The first was in early 2007 when the environment became a big issue and Stephane Dion had just become Liberal leader. His first approach was to propose a plan (which was at least as comprehensive as that of his predecessors). That failed. So instead, he put Baird in charge and stonewalled on the environment, while running negative ads. Dion was trounced from that point on. The other time he dropped in the polls is more recently, as Ignatieff became Liberal leader, and has attacked the PM on the budget which Ignatieff helped create. In other words, Harper has consistently been punished by the electorate for being proactive, bold and working with others. Harper’s best moments in the polls? Harper made gains in the 2008 election, in which he promised no new policies, but attacked Dion’s plans. His other best moment was during the coalition crisis, during which he polled as high as 50%, while playing the national unity card.

    Translation: the sword is mightier than the pen.

    • Leo F.

      Canadians say they like high-minded debate, but they have consistently re-elected leaders that have lied to them, dumb down the national debate, play games with national unity and run the best attack ads.

      In other words, were ignorant and hypocritical.

      Thanks.

      Don’t come back now.

    • wilson

      That was right on hosertohosier.

    • sf

      Good points. Especially about the recent events.

    • Leo F.

      “Only Harper’s (unfair as we now know) exploitation of the income trust leak issue and ensuing negative ads (plus Martin’s overreach) put Harper over the top.”

      You mean Zacardelli’s exploitation of the income trust leak, shurely. I wonder who…who…put him up to that?

      • Critical Reasoning

        Santa Claus?

  • http://www.savedarfur.org Sophia Geffros

    Gah.
    We are such hypocrites- we always say that what we want is bold policy, innovation and high-minded debate, but let’s note, folks, that politicians tell us what we want to hear.
    If that was truly what we wanted to hear, we would.
    When the tone of debate is lowered, we’ve only ourselves to blame.

    • Leo F.

      we’ve only ourselves to blame.

      I’m not taking responsibility for this.

    • Maureen

      Exactly – we were crying that the government should do something to help the economy – so the hounds were unleashed and we were more or less happy that we were getting ‘stuff’. However we should have been told to tighten our belts, ditch our credit cards, cancel those winter holidays in the sun and you only have yourself to blame if you overspent and are in debt. But people would not have liked those words. We want more and more stuff from governments at all levels and when we don’t get it we are like little children crying in the toy store.

  • geiseric the lame

    Lamenting the Liberals is pretty much all Radwanski does.

  • http://dredtory.blogspot.com/ Sir Francis

    Leo, don’t kill the messenger. Hoosertohoosier’s analysis was substantially accurate.

    There inheres in democratic discourse the Nietzschean urge to define “civility” as those civic conditions created by the effective will-to-power of the party that appears to espouse your values. Most people equate “substance” with whatever allows their party to trounce the opposition.

    Thus, basically decent CPC supporters didn’t mind watching their M.P.’s accuse the Opposition of being Taliban sympathisers last year, just as most Liberal voters didn’t mind seeing Stockwell Day’s religion mocked in 2000. In both cases, the comments were seen as legitimate by committed partisans and outrageous by everybody else.

    Thus, for the politically committed, there is no contradiction between the desire for civility and the desire for victory; they tend to define each other.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

      With respect, Sir Francis, it's not fair to call the race-to-the-bottom "Nietzschean." Nietzsche was all about the sublimation of the will to power and in fact viewed civility as one sign of such sublimation; in other words, the naked pursuit of power is one way of compensating for one's own powerlessness, and therefore a sign of weakness. The real power must always lie with those who do not need to deceive either themselves or others.

      The "edit" button is cool.

  • Michael T

    often those calling for “civility” seek to merely change the channel and prevent certain ideas from being expressed.

    Most are tired of electioneering with cookie cutter politico’s smiles, non-conformist, let’s be nice while the world dissolves around us.

    No wonder negative ads that have no response work.

    People are dying for real news with real adult words, topics and emotions – if the CPC puts up a front of hey here we are, here is some straight talk and no one responds then guess what, they win regardless of the sophomoric thoughts and childish/juvenile emotions expressed – at least they present themselves as normal human beings.

    When Iggy gets up and says he will hit back – that helps him, for example, because he then becomes a real person with a real emotional response and not a robo-politico trying not to be inoffensive.

    • wilson

      ”a real person with a real emotional response ”

      An Ignatieff quote from Getting Iraq wrong,

      ”Nothing is personal in politics, because politics is theater.
      It is part of the job to pretend
      to have emotions that you do not actually feel.”

      http://www.vigile.net/article8029.html

      • Michael T

        So you agree with me then wilson because his response is no less authentic or inauthentic than the CPC’s thrust.

        The display of human qualities is something that Dion never did in response to Harper’s attack.

        Iggy did.

  • http://deleted Sandi

    It’s not the first time Harper has been considered Nixonian.

    Remember the NDP taping.

  • dan in van

    NdP taping? Certainly i think his agent Grewal, and then the infamous driveway taping would be more damning. But then again, for certain foils in the blogosphere, Harper can do no wrong. It’s only the imaginary ‘left-wing media’ out to ensnare him…

  • Loraine Lamontagne

    Question to native speakers of the English language: Why would you say ‘demonizing ‘ when Stephen Harper is quoted or the subject of a political attack – and not say ‘demonizing’ when Harper is the attacker?

    Wasn’t Dion demonized by Harper and isn’t Ignatieff being demonized by the Conservatives now?

    • Jarrid

      “Wasn’t Dion demonized by Harper and isn’t Ignatieff being demonized by the Conservatives now?”

      Wasn’t Harper demonized by Martin and the Liberals?

      Wasn’t Day demonized by Chretien and the Liberals?

      Wasn’t Manning demonized by Chretien and the Liberals?

  • Al Heck Brakes

    “Martin was derided for “having many priorities”, as if one could govern a country as complex as Canada with five point plans … Harper has consistently been punished by the electorate for being proactive, bold and working with others … ”

    If you take all this political policy nonsense seriously then it may seem strange that acting serious is a political liability whereas acting like a clown (Chretien) or an attack troll (Harper) is a winning strategy.

    But intellectual policies are rejected at the polls because frankly these policies are stupid and don’t hold up to any kind of rational analysis. To assume that a country must be “governed” in all its complexity is a communist assumption. Communism doesn’t work and doesn’t stand up more than about 2 minutes of critical thinking. People who try to come up with fancy intellectual descriptions of how they’re going to save the country with a combination of universal government daycare and carbon taxes will always fall flat on their faces, because the more they yammer about these policies’ merits, the more obvious it becomes that they’re just another racket that will kill the economy and put money in the pockets of favored supporters.

    That’s why the more successful political campaigns focus on voters’ reptilian cores. If the goods that you’re selling are shoddy then it’s better to focus on raw emotion, especially fear.

  • Critical Reasoning

    I'm not sure I'm a fan of this IntenseDebate plugin. The old format was more readable. Also, do we really need the thumbs-up / thumbs-down buttons?

    • avr

      Also, what's with hosertohoosier's lengthy, well-thought-out comment being moderated out of existence, but the snarky, content-free insults in reply remaining?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

      Are you logging in to it, CR, or are you posting as a Guest? I dunno about readability; takes a while to see if our eyes will adjust. I thumbs-upped your comment.

      Re: H2H's lengthy & good comment, looks to me like its deletion was just a glitch or something; that was a really A1 comment, IIRC.

      • Critical Reasoning

        This experiment is a disaster.

  • Conan

    As pure a synopsis of the CPC's policy bias and political instincts as I've seen. Thanks, Al Heck Brakes. I disagree with nearly everything in your screed, but it's nice to see the perspective laid out so neatly.

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