What price our pseudo-empathy?

In a world of imponderables, some old-fashioned detachment might serve us better

by Mark Steyn on Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:00pm - 131 Comments

What price our pseudo-empathy?Empathy. You either got it or you ain’t. Sonia Sotomayor’s got it, which is why she’s just been nominated to the U.S. Supreme Court. President Obama said that what he’s looking for in a big-time judge is “the depth and breadth of one’s empathy.” As he told his pro-abortion chums at Planned Parenthood, “We need somebody who’s got the heart—the empathy—to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old—and that’s the criteria by which I’ll be selecting my judges. Alright?”

Er, well, alright. But what does it boil down to in practice? Then-senator Obama voted against the confirmation of Chief Justice Roberts because the nominee said he saw the judge’s role as that of “umpire.” The President wants someone less hung up on the rule book. He likes to cite the case of Lilly Ledbetter, who sued Goodyear Tire for discrimination but ran up against the pesky old statute of limitations. An “empathetic” judge would presumably say, “Screw the statute of limitations.” Strange to hear the same folks who complain that Bush disregarded the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Constitution at Gitmo (both charges untrue, by the way) simultaneously hailing the ability to disregard inconvenient laws as the indispensable attribute of a Supreme Court justice.

Obama’s judges sound less like “umpires” than cheerleaders: designate the approved identity group, and twirl your baton accordingly. Why not? It works in many other areas of life. In contemporary education’s flight from facts to feelings, “empathy” has become a useful substitute for history. In the schoolrooms of the developed world, you’ll be asked to empathize with, say, a West African who’s sold into slavery and shipped off to Virginia, or with a hapless Native American who catches dysentery, typhoid, gonorrhea and an early strain of avian flu by foolishly buying beads from Christopher Columbus. This would be a useful exercise if we were genuinely interested in socio-historical empathizing. But instead the compliant pupil is expected merely to acknowledge the unlucky Indian as an early victim of European racism, and to assign the slave a contemporary African-American identity and thereby “empathize” with his sense of injustice. At this level, empathy is no more than the projection of contemporary and parochial obsessions—racism, sexism, imperialism—over the rich canvas of the past.

It’s a modish fancy. You didn’t hear the word much a generation back. Now people who would once have sympathized with you insist on claiming to “empathize” with you. In his book Clinical Empathy, David Berger offers the following definition: “The capacity to know emotionally what another is experiencing from within the frame of reference of that other person.”

My italics. Because, after all, that’s the tricky bit. Take the presidential requirement “to understand what it’s like to be disabled.” If you’re paralyzed in a riding accident, I can sympathize at the drop of a hat: my God, that’s awful. Helluva thing to happen. But can I empathize “from within the frame of reference of that other person”?

Example: “Driving down there, I remember distinctly thinking that Chris would rather not live than be in this condition.” That’s Barbara Johnson recalling the immediate aftermath of her son Christopher Reeve’s riding accident. Her instinct was to pull the plug; his was to live. Bill Clinton famously claimed to “feel your pain.” He can’t, not really. But the immodesty of the assertion is as pithy a distillation as any other of what’s required in an age of pseudo-empathy.

The first definition in my Webster’s gets closer to the truth: “The imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it.” That’s geopolitical empathy as practised by the Western world. The more depraved the subjects of the Palestinian Authority become, the more energetically the great powers invest in the delusion that this is a conventional nationalist struggle. Thus, “empathy” becomes the very opposite of David Berger’s definition: we examine these subjects from within our frame of reference. As Condi Rice told the columnist Cal Thomas a year or two back, “The great majority of Palestinian people, they just want a better life. This is an educated population. I mean, they have a kind of culture of education and a culture of civil society. I just don’t believe mothers want their children to grow up to be suicide bombers. I think the mothers want their children to grow up to go to university. And if you can create the right conditions, that’s what people are going to do.”

Mr. Thomas asked the secretary of state a sharp follow-up: “Do you think this or do you know this?”

“Well, I think I know it.”

I think she knows she doesn’t know it. The last time I was in the West Bank the genial proprietors at most convenience stores had various heroic Martyrs of the Week pinned up on the wall behind the cash register, and the Education Ministry was giving first prize in its letter-writing competition to a seventh-grader from Jenin pledging to his deceased father to become a suicide bomber and “propel my living-dead body into your arms.” As to what mothers want for their children, I would be wary of deluding myself that I could “empathize” with Mariam Farahat, a mother of three, formerly a mother of six, triumphantly elected to parliament as “Um Nidal” (“Mother of the Struggle”) on the strength of having persuaded a trio of her sons to self-detonate over various surrounding Zionists. Granted, this makes university education much more affordable for her surviving offspring, yet call me unempathetic but I don’t get the feeling it’s a big priority.

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  • Wayne

    Mark this point hits the nail so hard one strike puts it all the way in – how true -> Obama’s judges sound less like “umpires” than cheerleaders: designate the approved identity group, and twirl your baton accordingly. Why not? It works in many other areas of life. In contemporary education’s flight from facts to feelings, “empathy” has become a useful substitute for history.

    • scf

      The same tactics got Obama the presidency. So it's not surprising he continues to use it and propose it for judges and foreign nations. I'm rather certain it will not work the same way outside of the politically-correct western world.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    Was Mark around back in 1991 to voice similar outrage to this statement by then-President George HW Bush?

    "I have followed this man's career for some time, and he has excelled in everything that he has attempted. He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person, who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor. He's also a fiercely independent thinker with an excellent legal mind who believes passionately in equal opportunity for all Americans. He will approach the cases that come before the Court with a commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require."

    That nominated judge was of course Clarence Thomas. I have to ask; were Mark and other conservatives like him writing columns voicing their outrage at such a statement by Bush I, for either employing the arguments of "empathy" or lifetime experience in Clarence Thomas's favour?

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    Was Mark around back in 1991 to voice similar outrage to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/02/us/the-supreme-court-excerpts-from-news-conference-announcing-court-nominee.html?scp=46&sq=clarence thomas bush&st=nyt" target="_blank">this statement by then-President George HW Bush?

    "I have followed this man's career for some time, and he has excelled in everything that he has attempted. He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person, who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor. He's also a fiercely independent thinker with an excellent legal mind who believes passionately in equal opportunity for all Americans. He will approach the cases that come before the Court with a commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require."

    That nominated judge was of course Clarence Thomas. I have to ask; were Mark and other conservatives like him writing columns voicing their outrage at such a statement by Bush I, for either employing the arguments of "empathy" or lifetime experience in Clarence Thomas's favour?

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    Was Mark around back in 1991 to voice similar outrage to this statement by then-President George HW Bush?

    "I have followed this man's career for some time, and he has excelled in everything that he has attempted. He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person, who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor. He's also a fiercely independent thinker with an excellent legal mind who believes passionately in equal opportunity for all Americans. He will approach the cases that come before the Court with a commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require."

    That nominated judge was of course Clarence Thomas. I have to ask; were Mark and other conservatives like him writing columns voicing their outrage at such a statement by Bush I, for either employing the arguments of "empathy" or lifetime experience in Clarence Thomas's favour?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

    A pity Steyn can't resist targeting his criticism of a general moral malaise at his political enemies. The Republicans are just as guilty of ersatz empathy as the Democrats ("our hearts go out to their families" — yeah, right), and Steyn himself is constantly pleading, oh so tearfully, the case of the poor neglected white male. Enough with the rhetoric of victimhood on both right and left.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Crit_Reasoning Crit_Reasoning

      Well said. The rhetoric of victimhood is like a cancer on our society.

      • Terry

        The best way to cut away that cancer though, is to stop listening to pundits and commenting on the internet.

    • kcm

      I'm no Steyn follower but i'd love to know if he was reporting critically from the front lines during the Bush darkness, or merely cheerleading and generally being the necon apologist i take him to be?

      • scf

        The "Bush darkness"? Hilarious. Have you been to a therapist lately?

        • kcm

          scf
          If i needed a therapist i'd cetainly make sure not to use yours. But go ahead, if you can find a silver lining in the Bush era you must be an optimist – or deluded.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/AtheistCon AtheistCon

        Right, because all 'neocon apologists' constantly critique neocons. If you bothered to actually read the article you'd see that he points up the stupidity of Condi Rice.

    • sbt

      I don't think Condoleeza Rice (whom Steyn calls out over comments about Palestine) is his political enemy but the point is well taken.

    • http://www.jonathannewton.net/ Jonny N

      Good point Jack, the temptation recently has been for the right to try to play the same game as the left, and even if this were a good thing (which it isn't) we could never do it as well as they do.

    • Ruy Diaz

      This is the second liberal commenter beginning his post with the Tu Quoque fallacy.

      No Jack, Republicans are "not as guilty" as Democrats. The cult of empathy is a creation of American leftists. Republicans genuflect in its direction from time to time, usually with little conviction. You should be ashamed of your pathetic attempt to distort the obvious truth in such a way.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

        Hello . . . yes . . . right . . . earth to Steynettes . . . OK.

        • Ruy Diaz

          "Steynettes"… what is this, middle school?

          Pathetic loser.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

            "Steynettes" = sycophantic pro-Steyn losers like yourself, in case you were wondering.

          • Micheal

            What is amusing is that Jack seems to be more obsessed with Steyn than Steyn's fanbase.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

            Both Steynettes and myself regard Steyn as a must-read. He is really the only Canadian writer who borders on the fascistic. I've never bought this "just ignore him and he'll go away" line. For better or for worse, Steyn won't. I just feel that he and his fanbase should be reminded that many people strongly disagree with Steyn's take on things.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/DerekPearce DerekPearce

            Hear hear. Said it before and I'll say it again– love Steyn's wittiness, hate his speciousness. And Ruy, just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them a troll– however, ad hominem attacks that don't address the arguments others make *are* fairly trollish.

          • Wakefield Tolbert

            You seem to have the mug of Arthur Eric Blair these days, so I'm assuming that YOU of all the posters here happen to know that in one of his many grand essays on the English language, the intermix thereof in politics, and the abuse of both, good old George Orwell as the writer side of his psyche mentioned more than once that the very term "fascist" has no meaning other than "That which I happen not to like or sternly disagree with or irritates me to some end…."

            …especially among those for whom you have this attraction akin for some reason, as flies to honey (well, to be nice) and moths to flame. And the motives for such should be carefully considered at that.

            Someone who cuts you off in traffic is a "fascist", and so too are those who point out some rather decidely non-PC ruminations on the race baiters, demographic trends that put at risk the European wine junkets to the beach on the public dime, and so forth…

            How Orwellian, Mr. Mitchell.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

            I've used Orwell as my avatar for some time. I'm aware of his essay saying that "fascism" had lost all meaning and had been degraded to a mere insult; but that was written in the mid 1940's. Nowadays it is no longer so meaningless (or even as meaningless as in the 1960's), because we have some distance between ourselves and actual fascism. In case you were wondering, it signifies the cult of power, the worship of social discipline, strong nationalism (including cultural nationalism), anti-intellectualism, and an open or concealed belief in the inevitable and cleansing effect of violence.

            I really wish you would learn how to write, Wakefield Tolbert. Your posts read like transcripts of an old Southern gentleman in the grip of delirium tremens. Look at your second two paragraphs and see if they make any sense.

            * "Among those for whom you have this attraction"? (What is that "akin" doing there, btw?)
            * "the motive for such should be carefully considered at that"?
            * "demographic trends that put at risk the European wine junkets to the beach on the public dime"

            May I earnestly recommend Orwell's essay on Politics and the English Language? If you apply his principles, your sentences will be making sense before you know it.

          • kcm

            JM
            LOL!
            I believe W.T. may be attempting a radical distillation of the Steyn shool of polemics. Although the southern d.t.s analogy is priceless.

          • Ruy Diaz

            No, I wasn't wondering. I do wonder what the life of a dumb troll life yourself is like though.

            I also notice in passing that you've moved from your flimsy Tu Quoque diversionary tactic and moved into plain childish insults.

            And you have the nerve to use that pic as your avatar.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

            LOL, Orwell would be all over your ass were he still alive. Can't say I'm surprised you've never read his journalism, though. It's in total contrast to Steyn for clarity of argument and language, Christian decency (Steyn is, essentially, a pagan), and civic duty. Also he spent most of his life mocking those "defenders of Western civilisation" (such as Steyn pretends to be) who were eager to sell Europe out to fascism (so as to avoid communism). I recommend My Country Right or Left if you want to start reading Orwell.

          • kcm

            Well said Jack! Orwell was the enemy of political cant – be it from right or left. Though why you bother answering someone who's so galactically stupid as to attack another poster for using chidish insults "with" chldish insults, is a little beyond me.

          • Ruy Diaz

            …and Jack gets a cheerleader….

            First off, which childish insult? Troll is an accurate description

            You are not a very bright cheerleader, though. I don't believe in unilateral disarmament of any kind. If you insult me, I'll insult you back. Only my insults are accurate and to the point.

            But I'd bet that concept–standing your ground, rather than trolling mindlessly–is also "beyond you".

          • kcm

            Do you write your dreams down? You should you know. I believe you began your comments and you ended your comments with an insult – and yet you stand on what ground? The very essence of childishness.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

            Thanks for the sanity, kc. This Ruy guy is apparently a psychopath. His first post to me: "You should be ashamed of your pathetic attempt to distort the obvious truth in such a way." Followed by various whines that we're being mean to him. Gad, what wimps they are on the far right, it's like a permanent group therapy session.

          • kcm

            Yeah Jack. It's definitely the passsive aggressive self pity that's the hardest to take. Comes of listening to too much Mulroney over the years i guess.

  • Michael

    Obama has something right now and that is he can charm everyone around the world. Charming the massesis one thing – charming the leaders of these anti american country is another thing. Unless Obama and these leaders are on the same side of taking dowm the USA!

    • Conan

      Perhaps you failed to notice that the Republican war-oil-and-Wall Street looters around Cheney, Bush et al. have already "taken down" the USA?

  • scf

    No doubt Mark is correct. People have a misguided notion of empathy. Many simply use the blanket conclusion that the unsuccessful deserve empathy and the successful deserve none, regardless of their actions.

    People think they can empathize with a group that was handed control of the Gaza territory, and then used the goodwill of this event to turn the territory into a cesspool of violence and poverty and war. The motive was to feed their racial and religious hatred. The group of misguided empathizers includes Condoleeza Rice.

  • Daniel Gillen

    It's naïve to think Obama is charming everyone around the world. It would be more savvy to see that he is being sized up as a rube. They have simply realized that his complacency can be purchased with rock-star treatment and a photo op. I would expect that they understand that as long as he believes he is making friends, they can be making bombs. They are, by now, certain that his international principles, for whatever they're worth, ensure that they can act without restraint and eventually they will believe once again they can act without the remotest fear of reprisal. They will deeply appreciate him as the president that let them destroy Israel. I forget what movie it’s from, but there is a great line that goes, “I like you, I think I’ll kill you last”. Is this the new face of 'security'?

    • Hub

      Arnold Schwartzenegger in "Commando." Later in the movie he says: "Remember Solly when I told you I would kill you last? I lied."

    • Reuben Horne

      The line you quoted is from "Commando" 1985 and the speaker is Arnold Swartzenegger to an enemy of his who kidnapped his daughter named "Sully". The follow up line was "remember how I said I'd kill you last – I lied", also spoken by Arnie as he tossed the person he spoke the first line to off a cliff. An appropriate analogy for Obama's political trajectory. He want's to try to outlive America's enemies in the Middle East without fighting them- but they have been around for longer than America itself. Defeating Islamism will require a different President with a different foreign policy. And if it doesn't come very soon we'll all be joining Sully careening off a metaphorical cliff.

  • Bill Simpson

    The problem with this view of empathy as a key virtue is that it is implicitly subsuming the argument to the other party's motives. It is the other party's motives that become the main issue, not their actions as such, as this is a very weak basis for action, particularly for dealing with military factions or other hostile countries.

    So to for the courts. It is interesting to understand the motives of criminals and they apply in a limited set of cases, but ultimately the law must decide on objective factors in dealing with their actions. Anything else opens it up to a relativistic morass.

    For what its worth, I think that Condi Rice had no interest in "empathy" at all, and was spouting off for now pointless political purpose, which is why she sounded so incoherent. Clinton would have nailed it.

    • Janice Rose

      Bill, you and Wakefield point out how objective the law is, that empathy has no place. Bull! There is always subjectivity in human behaviour, regardless of how objective we try to be.

      Obama knows this and is using the word for political points, if there are any to be had, with those who have felt their personal story should have been given even a negligable amount of conideration amongst all the evidence.

      I agree on your point about Condi's lack of interest in empathy. The fact that she was a GWB crony speaks for itself.

      • nicholas

        Well, that may work for you Janice, but for me I would want my case tried on the facts and the law, not on the feelings of those involved. The hope is that lady justice will be blind, and give each person equal treatment under the law, regardless of their wealth, pop culture status or political position, or lack there of. We will always place undue merit on the physical attractiveness of a defendant or politician, but our better nature is to judge a person without prejudice.

      • http://www.wakepedia.blogspot.com Wakefield Tolbert

        I think what you MIGHT mean, and what I personally HOPE you mean, is that you SEEK some objectivity, and that by EMPATHY you mean to have a counterweight to balance out what you feel are disproportionate numbers of people of disadvantaged background or minority status who in your mind feel the boot of the law more often than corporate raiders and the white collar golf course class you think gets away with murder while laughing over drinks.

        • Janice Rose

          Yeah Wakefield, you got it close to right here. But then you lose me. Guess I'm too lazy to fully absorb the rest of your verbose rant. Sorry.

          • Wakefield

            Well I apologize for that, my dear Rose of any sweetness thus the same, but it seems that handy little quips about empathy are no more meaningful a tool of discourse (though for propoganda they get the blue ribbon) than corporate jibber jabber about "proactive synergy" and other tripe.

            So I was trying to add both context and some hope to your line of thinking.

          • Janice Rose

            Ha ha – if you put it that way; good points.

      • Wakefield Tolbert

        But keep in mind that wealth and power are different issues from skin color these days, though truly in the past the twin issues held hands quite often. True. But POWER is the issue, which is why you see the new Obama admin. getting away with things the Bushies white guys got away with, and worse. And why you see relatively unpunished (except for purely political purposes) those things that would get relatively well-off white men in a HELL of lot of trouble. I am not poor by any objective standards, but I promise you that if I were to so much as violate someone else's community by crashing the guard gate or lifting a free five-finger-discount candy bar from the local curb store, the police would have me in cuffs. The disparity you see cannot be addressed by empathy any more than voodoo dolls because the issue is power and status, not race or color or background per se.

      • Wakefield Tolbert

        The most powerful man to walk the fruited plains of this earth is a half-black man from a family background that most sociologists even of a liberal stripe would probably argue against. So be careful in generalizations about minority status and power.
        Empathy as used by Obama and Sotomayer is ironic on many levels, not the least of which is that these two did not arrive in town with light baggage. Granted, both had the skids greased for them by the media fairly much all their lives and got boosted from others. But they are highly intelligent and no doubt would have arrived in SOME level of prestige or another even if not their current positions of utterly altering the political landscape.

      • Wakefield Tolbert

        It is a form of good elitism, the one of striving, that got these two where they are, more than empathy or making the rules stretch to fit "new" social realities. In the last 50 years it was mostly WHITE MALES who had the faux pas thinking that our "FLOUNDERING FATHERS"–those silly white men in funny wigs and funny britches–messed things up with pure legalities. Certainly since the days of Oliver Wendall Holmes and "positive law", the law to liberal judges and appointees merely means that which culture concocts to get the deed done. They claimed that the Consitution was "locked in time" and was becoming "insensitive" and thus inflexible, and sought to redress that.'

      • Wakefield Tolbert

        What the problem becomes, however, is not that there should never be any change. We have provisions in law for that within the Consitution. But that law should not be made from the black robes of the bench alone. That is a dangerous precedent., even if the perception from many parties is that this is a putative good for "empathy", or caused by "empathy" of perceived slights, etc.

        And one that Obama, via Sotomayer's "personal story" –with no small help from the Slipstream Media–will only excacerbate.

        But the Consitution is not "locked in time." It is LOCKED IN LAW.

        THAT is an important distinction worth preserving.

  • Ivan

    CHARMIN used to be a toilet PAPER…and we know wot happens to that…making nice with fanatics never seems to come out clean………….more on the SH*TTY side if History is any indication……….

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    I understand you're trying to twist what Obama has said.. but I expect nothing less from the conservative cheer leading crew on here.

    • asdf

      some argument scott. Always is your style, just find a way to smear someone with a label, or instinctively defend them based on giving them the right label, and you're set.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SophiaGeffros SophiaGeffros

    There is definitely a very important difference between empathy and sympathy- empathy implies an attempt at understanding, sympathy implies pity. As an example, I'm in a wheelchair and have been off and on since the age of 5. Empathy is 'Wow, thats gotta make it hard to get into restaurants."
    Sympathy is a more generic 'That sucks."
    Empathy implies more thinking, a genuine attempt at seeing how it must be like, whereas sympathy, all too often, is cover for a sort of 'you are inferior' sentiment.
    That being said, I don't think that the ability to try (try) to see something from someone's perspective is a bad trait in a judge- indeed I think it is a very good one. Even if one doesn't view the situation in the same way as the person one is empathizing with, it would seem to me that being able to empathize is a key part of determining motive.

  • http://www.machine-altaica.com John

    I think our Mr. Steyn's comments are right on, but I wonder what this all-America screed is doing on a Canadian website. Is he as an outlander "empathizing" with Americans who fell beleaguered or bretrayed by their own sissy government? Don't get up, Mark, I'll answer my own question for you: "Yes. Inheritors of British legal traditions CAN 'empathize,' not just 'sympathize,' among themselves." Now, speaking purely for myself, I'd say I cannot and never will be able to empathize with Middle Easterners. They're just too alien. I think of them as having thalidomide souls: some parts are perfectly whole and normal, and other parts are utterly missing. The locals I've met have the part of the soul that gets you out of bed in the morning, and don't have the part that makes you look forward to the end of breakfast. The excitability, the inertia: it's such a weird combination, and I don't think any of us over here should even pretend we understand it or feel it. I don't.

    • Tara

      Brutally honest comment John. That's been my experience too of several "Canadian" Muslim colleagues, who (the following day at work) could not-and I suspect did not even try to- suppress their delight at the Mumbai attack last year.

      Spot on. Well said.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    Was Mark around back in 1991 to voice similar outrage to this statement by then-President George HW Bush?

    "I have followed this man's career for some time, and he has excelled in everything that he has attempted. He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person, who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor. He's also a fiercely independent thinker with an excellent legal mind who believes passionately in equal opportunity for all Americans. He will approach the cases that come before the Court with a commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require."

    That nominated judge was of course Clarence Thomas. I have to ask; were Mark and other conservatives like him writing columns voicing their outrage at such a statement by Bush I, for employing the arguments of "empathy" as being a positive for Clarence Thomas?

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Scott_Tribe Scott_Tribe

    Was Mark around back in 1991 to voice similar outrage to this statement by then-President George HW Bush?

    "I have followed this man's career for some time, and he has excelled in everything that he has attempted. He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person, who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor. He's also a fiercely independent thinker with an excellent legal mind who believes passionately in equal opportunity for all Americans. He will approach the cases that come before the Court with a commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require."

    The judge that Bush I was speaking about that he had nominated for the Supreme Court was Clarence Thomas. I have to ask; were Mark and other conservatives like him writing columns voicing their outrage at such a statement by Bush I, for employing the arguments of "empathy" as being a positive for Clarence Thomas?

    • DKB

      I think you have managed to COMPLETELY miss the point Scott. The point is that someone HAS empathy. It's that they will use their empathy to decide cases. The Bush quote acknowledges that the man has empathy and then goes on pointedly to say that he will judge based on the facts and the law. Obama has specifically said that what he likes about his recent pick is that she will NOT just use the facts and the law.

      Understand?

    • scf

      Your quote is completely irrelevant.

    • http://www.wakepedia.blogspot.com Wakefield Tolbert

      He had "empathy" in some sense just as we all do on many issues–But a rundown of major news outlets on and off the Tube did not indicate what can still be found for Sotomayor:

      "life story"

      "her story"

      "life story"

      "story"

      "story"

      "her personal story"

      "her story…."

      Leave storytime for putting the kids to bed so mom and dad can have some fun.

      We all have a "story" of something to plug.

      Sotos is no more romantic or intriguing in the quest for a 200K a year job the media says is now "modest" (but that is to be taxed at a higher rate, due to being….a member of the wealthy…*head scratcher*). Except for the fact that we've gone from HISTORY to the feminist fantasy fullfillment (bully for them) of HERSTORY in one generation here.

    • http://www.wakepedia.blogspot.com Wakefield Tolbert

      But the point that should be made is that this does not necessarily enhance the law. Not sure about the Great White North, but here in the US the law is simply what the legislators say it is. It is based on the transactions–for better or for worse–of those in power. It is neither about empathy or croc tears nor stories. It is about power. That may be good, bad, or more likely indifferent, but that's the way things were set up by what some feel are our "FLOUNDING Fathers"

      This too, is the great wall of limitation on….well…..empathy.

      Beyond that, I'm empathetic, though not sympathetic, to your plight in dredging up quotes to find some kind of semblence of an ideological contradiction.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Columella Columella

      I'm guessing Mark was around all the way back in 1991, but he'll take the backhanded compliment of being considered a prodigy at 17 or younger. Rather like being carded at the local pub – the drinks are on the house! Scottie, you seem quite adroit at pulling up old quotes, so we're shocked that you couldn't discover what the proud parents of young Marky were saying about empathy at that time … Well, you're right in pointing out that questioning young Obama's overemphasis on "empathy" soils the word for all time, retroactive to the in utero Mark's first hearing of the word from George Herbert Walker. Next you'll tell me that I can't say that I think Ms. Sotomayor has a gay and cheerful disposition.

    • Dave Garfinkel

      Bush included empathy as part of list of qualities. Obama elevated it to the paramount criteria. Bush's paramount criteria was " commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require."

      • junoalphakilo

        I was gonna make that point but you beat me out. Pretty obvious to everyone but that Tribe poster. He must go to university.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/AtheistCon AtheistCon

      Ignore him, folks. He's an Obamabot. For him, 'thinking' requires him to identify one word in a long, factual, intelligent article, then hit Google, find that word in something from a few years ago, attach the words "Where was X when …", and then pat himself on the back for being so darn smart. The entire concept of a nuanced argument escapes him because, as a left-winger, he really thinks that superficial contradiction or similarity entirely defuses an argument with no regard whatsoever for the content of that argument. In short: he's a moron. He was told to protest Bush and now he's told to accept Obama and like the good little stormtrooper he is, he does what he's told.

    • nicholas

      Ah, Wakefield. Always nice to read your curious combination of insight and roughshod pragmaticism delivered with a twist. Good point DKB. It's always a desperate fellow looking for the snarky double standard accusation, all the while missing the relevant facts. If President Bush advanced judges on the basis of their ability to empathize with people, I, Mark Steyn and the political right would have been disappointed and dismayed. And certainly we would have found that objectionable. But that's not what he did, was it. I liked the quote. Let's see it again.

      "I have followed this man's career for some time, and he has excelled in everything that he has attempted. He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person, who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor. He's also a fiercely independent thinker with an excellent legal mind who believes passionately in equal opportunity for all Americans. He will approach the cases that come before the Court with a commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require."

    • Ruy Diaz

      So, Scott Tribe, what's the name of the logical fallacy you are trying to peddle?

      Tu Quoque. You are trying to show that conservatives are guilty of the same sin as liberals, therefore we are even on this one. Better yet, conservatives are hypocrites, therefore liberals come out ahead!

      Cattle manure. The cult of empathy is a liberal creation. Digging a quotation from decades ago doesn't change that basic fact.

      Not to mention that you are WRONG on the particular quote you dug, as already pointed out by other posters.

  • Al Campos

    I think the point Steyn is trying to make is not so much about empathy, but about the law and about a judge producing fair and just decisions. The purpose of the law is to ensure fairness. And judges need to look into the facts and apply the law objectively to those facts. A "creative", "empathetic" judge who disregards the law and "creates" new law with his decisions is not only overstepping his authority and the mandate of the people (because the law must be created by the legislative branch), but more likely than not will produce unfair decisions. The law guarantees fairness. Empathy may give the empathetic person a good feeling about itself, but does not guarantee fairness

    • Janice Rose

      Fairness smairness you guys! If the system was so fair and objective the predominantly white, middle class (or higher) judges and other law-makers would not be sending such a disproportionate number of poor non-whites to jail for petty crimes and letting the "white" collar criminals run free more often than not.

  • nicholas

    Ah, Wakefield. Always nice to read your curious combination of insight and roughshod pragmaticism delivered with a twist. Good point DKB. It's always a desperate fellow looking for the snarky double standard accusation, all the while missing the relevant facts. If President Bush advanced judges on the basis of their ability to empathize with people, I, Mark Steyn and the political right would have been disappointed and dismayed. And certainly we would have found that objectionable. But that's not what he did, was it. I liked the quote. Let's see it again.

    "I have followed this man's career for some time, and he has excelled in everything that he has attempted. He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person, who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor. He's also a fiercely independent thinker with an excellent legal mind who believes passionately in equal opportunity for all Americans. He will approach the cases that come before the Court with a commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require."

  • nicholas

    (cont.)

    I miss that guy.

    Would that we had more nominees of the caliber and judicial temperament as Clarence Thomas. Not because he is a classic American success story, or that his life repudiates the entire empty leftist politics of race entitlements, or that the nomination of a person of color makes me feel good about myself.

    It is because he is a man of character.

  • http://miriamsideas.blogpot.com miriam

    I don't like the touchy feely aspect of this "great story" business. It makes me long for the good old days of the stiff upper lip.

  • http://www.wakepedia.blogspot.com Wakefield Tolbert

    Thanks, Nicholas.

    I always enjoy strolling (and hopefully not TROLLING) through the aisles of the next Steynmart.

    At least here they never ask you to copulate with pigs, as they do over on such highbrow outposts of the net like…"Science Blogs."

    Like Mama said, "people sure are funny, Wake"

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  • JohnMAc

    "empathy" for the Left is really a perception of others (especially minorities) as incapable and therefore unaccountable. The "crime" conservatives commit is believing people generally capable and demonstrate this belief by holding people accountable.

    • The Bull

      bingo

    • Janice Rose

      Hmmm, not quite – the left have a bit more understanding of the reality that not all people have experienced the same advantages in life; that systemic discrimination and lower socio-economic backgrounds means there is an unlevel playing field. JohnMAc, you're likely a white middle class male whose had a pretty stable family and eductional background; made to believe that the world is your oyster and therefore, it is quite easy to be "accountable". Well, there are many other people who are sooo different… it is really a case of understanding what it is really like to live these lives.

  • Micheal

    Another great Mark Steyn article that exposes the "walk a mile in another man shoes crowd" as out of touch with reality .

  • jhshub

    I don't know if this means anything but I own a 1912 "Webster's New International Dictionary" and the word "empathy" cannot be found in it.
    Empathy is one of those "sofr" Newspeak terms that serves to call attention to the individual who claims it without being particularly interested in the object of such empathy. It is the perfect virtue for a narcissist.

    • http://www.wakepedia.blogspot.com Wakefield Tolbert

      Yeah–I didn't check but it makes sense that this is NEWSPEAK for a NEW age.

      I'm quite sure someone can pull the etimology of this word out of somewhere if not their hind quarters, but it is applied much the same way "proactive" is in business meetings, as in "proactive synergy across multitudinal lines of corporate descent and transmission."

      In other words, it is malarky sprinkled with sentiment and emphasis undergirded by sheer gush so as to sound attributed to better minds than the common man's pragmatism.

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