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Baird's critics should…

by Paul Wells on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:02am - 80 Comments

Let’s be clear here. If I hear John Baird is being criticized somewhere, I usually rush to join in. It’s fun and healthy and almost always appropriate. But surely it was obvious from the context that he was not in fact wishing that all of Toronto would depart in a fornicatory manner? Surely it was, again, obvious from the context that he meant those Torontonians who had improperly filled out an application for infrastructure money should embrace themselves profoundly. Surely it was clear from the outset that Baird was not urging, say, the wait staff at Bistro 990, the CityPulse weather guy, the drivers for Beck Taxi, and the entire Humber College faculty hump off into the sunset. Basically Baird was mad at David Miller, and I believe he’s not the first.

Somehow it seems entirely appropriate that Baird, who is uniquely gifted in the arts of disingenuousness, would offer up a prompt apology for something he didn’t really say. The whole thing is trivial. But surely there are enough real outrages out there that we don’t need to add some false outrage on top of them?

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  • sbt

    I would hazzard to guess that most investors would actually look at the business climate before investing (although events on Wall Street may suggest otherwise). It was an ill-advised comment for the finance minister to make but the tax regime likely makes more of an impact on job creation than anything the finance minister says. Afterall, when Harper famously proclaimed that there were great buying opportunities (another really dumb comment even if it eventually may be true if you hold the stocks long enough), we didn't see a flood of money go into equity markets. Ontario's tax policy, which Flaherty was critiquing, was probably way more responsible for job losses than anything Flaherty said.

  • YTZ

    LKO: One of David Miller's biggest problems (which is largely undocumented in the press because it's not event-based) is that he doesn't bloody-well know how to work with other levels of government.

    No other provincial or city official IN THE COUNTRY as senior as Miller (let alone one representing a region the size of Toronto) would submit an application for that much money and HOPE that it gets approved. They would work hard with the federal government to ensure that the right approach was utilized for something this important.

    Miller does not work with the Province or the Feds and he does not use the bully pulpit effectively because he is out to lunch (whatever happened to that penny of GST?). I can't wait until he's gone, I'm sorry in all of Toronto a viable alternative has not yet surfaced.

    I will personally raise $500K – for the right candidate – to suppport an election campaign to replace him in the next election.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/DerekPearce DerekPearce

      I sort of agree– I think Miller probably on purpose submitted this application knowing it would technically violate the process the feds put in place to apply. In submitting this request for so much money, to such a large/long-term and (even if in Thunder Bay) outside-of-jurisdiction job creation project, was using this stimulus-application request to make a larger, leftish, public display on behalf of those who want to see major investment in public transit (and other related pet causes). He's isn't unprincipled, but I'm sure it crossed his mind that if he didn't fit the feds requirements just right, he'd get rejected– which is good retail politics for a Toronto mayor, especially when any perceived slight comes from Conservative feds.

      On the other hand, it takes a lot of bitching, loudly, to get the federal government (when held by any party) interested in public transit in Canada. And everyone here could blog-post-battle about that every day all day.

  • scf

    Wow, aren't you living in lala land. You should just declare you own backyard an independent country.

    Isn't Toronto the same city that is always whining about the fact they never have enough money to support their own programs? You call that wealth?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

      Because it's wildly overtaxed on a per capita basis by the federal government and the Ontario government. If Toronto didn't spend so much money paying for its bumpkin cousins' handouts, it would have money to burn.

    • Lord Kitchener's Own

      Yeah, we are always complaining about our lack of funds, because such huge amounts of our funds get spent helping everyone else in the country. We're short of funds BECAUSE of all the other people in Canada, not despite them.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/DerekPearce DerekPearce

      About 6 years ago the National Post wrote a snippy editorial about the feds contributing to the renovation of the ROM. I wrote a letter to the editor saying "Let's Make a Deal: we'll make all services everywhere municipal. Toronto can pay for its own museums without any help while White Horse and Fredericton can pay for their own universities and hospitals without any help."

      To its short-term gain and long-term pain, Toronto does rely too much on property taxes from business and not enough on homeowner taxes (as a rate, not in absolute dollar terms), . But in many ways it's a city like any other with plenty of poor-to-middle income folks. A higher number of poor people are drawn there because they're going to get better services for say, help with addiction or literacy, than they're going to get in Coboconk or Norway House. It's not just a few million "fat-cat Bay St lawyers." Should we also put citizen-mobility restrictions in place to prevent "undesirables" from concentrating in our large cities?

      In terms of climate change, a willingly-grouped high concentration of people who can't or won't use cars is good for the ratio of economic output to emissions per capita.

      • Orson Bean

        Good point. Vancovuer (especially the city proper, as opposed to Greater Vancouver) has similar troubling issues. The actual city of Vancouver is quite small, has no room to grow geographically and has fewer than a million residents. But it's where practically all of the poor transients flock to from out of province & the hinterlands, thus the sewer that is the Downtown Eastside. Also, Vnd related tot that, , Vancouver taxpayers pay an inordinate amount in policing costs. A recent article in the Globe pointed out and compared policing costs and tax burdens in Vancouver versus burbs like Port Moody, and the differences were eye-popping. Bottom line is if you're a Vancouver taxpayer you're getting screwed and it makes way more sense economically to live in the burbs. Also, many tourist attractions and parks (e.g., Stanley Park, Jericho/Spanish Banks) are funded by Vancouver taxpayers but are used by people all over the GVRD.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/JustinWordswrth JustinWordswrth

    Actually, your sarcasm raises a good point. People of Toronto should declare their backyards, perhaps not independent countries, but independent property.

    Watch Toronto City Council for an hour, if you can bear it. Our disgusting representatives spend large chunks of time voting on whether or not they will permit particular trees on "private" property to be cut down, on a case by case basis.

    What is "private" about property that you need to get permission to use?

    What Torontonians need to realise is that, currently, our best representation is coming from John Baird.

  • Orson Bean

    BFD. Alberta and BC can make similar arguments, as net contributors to federal equalization schemes. Historically it's not been such a bad bargain for Toronto, since it's had so many seats at the table in the federal government (unlike Alberta and BC). Not so much the case currently, of course, since Toronto voters seem to think that Tories are icky.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

      Calgary and Vancouver could say the same; not so much the rest of those provinces; maybe Fort McMurray and Kelowna. Anyway, way to miss my point: Toronto seems poor not because it isn't generating lots & lots of money but because it is much smaller than the smallest revenue-gathering level of government, namely the province.

  • http://www.TennisVagabond.com Big Dave S

    Paul
    Seems like you and a few of your droogs at Macleans are trying to inject actual honesty into political commentary.
    Don't rock the boat!

  • Jaycie

    Actually, it seems to me that he was telling David Miller and every user of the public transit system in Toronto to eff off. And while I have no problem with telling the mayor to vacate his position in a "fornicatory" way (I expect the entire city may do just that in the next mayoral race) I think the riders of the TTC have suffered enough indignities at the hands of Ottawa's (and Queen's Park's ) egregious underfunding. The TTC offers the best way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions while providing jobs (and accessibility to jobs over a wider area) to the people of Toronto and the province of Ontario. So, while we shouldn't take offense at Ottawa's biggest bloviathan uttering an expletive in our direction, we should probably take note of the fact that the minister formerly responsible for the environment and now responsible for transport and infrastructure doesn't give more that a four-letter word's worth of consideration to a project that would greatly benefit both of those portfolios.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jack_Mitchell Jack_Mitchell

    So when I exhort John Baird to f*** off, am I exhorting Baird alone to f*** off or, through him, am I exhorting the voters of Ottawa West / Nepean to f*** off? Either one is fine with me but, as Paul writes, we need clarity.

  • Dakota

    Baird just voiced what all Canadians actually feel, Toronto can f**k off.

  • Bill Simpson

    From a strategic point of view, I think the Conservatives are coming off better in these affairs than the opposition. If the LIberals spend their time stomping about in high dudgeon about these trivial issues, it means they have no real solid criticisms to make.

    FWIW, I suspect more Canadians relish Baird's salty language than resent it.

  • Orson Bean

    "If the LIberals spend their time stomping about in high dudgeon about these trivial issues, it means they have no real solid criticisms to make. "

    Agreed. Every time I wait to hear an actual policy proposal from Iggy or the Liberals these days, I only hear the sound of crickets chirping. Wonder why . . .

  • Wayne

    Boy do you have a good point there. Remember Trudeau's one finger salute to the media – his numbers went up right after. Remember Chretien choking out the protester – his numbers went right up after. Gotta love canadian politics!

  • Mulletaur

    Not a bad idea. We can declare ourselves a country and keep all the wealth (and tax revenues) we generate from the financial industry among others right here in Toronto. We could be the new Switzerland now that the Europeans are trying to close them down as a flight capital centre.

    We could well f**k off, but youse who live outside Toronto are the ones who would be f**ked.

  • Orson Bean

    Perhaps. But your hockey team would still suck. And your streets would still smell like offal every summer as the 90%+ humidity cooks the rotting garbage on Spadina.

  • Mulletaur

    Yes, the Leafs would still suck. But if Hamilton gets a team, at least there would be some healthy competition, at least for the dollars of the fans.

  • Mulletaur

    Yes, the Liberals have certainly learned their lesson. They will not provide a target for the millions that 'les Cons' have to burn in the pre-writ period.

    By the way, how is the Mulroney inquiry going ? Didn't he use German money to fund his coup d'etat within his own party against Joe Clark ?

  • SisyphusThis

    Or we could always send him here ….

    http://thestar.blogs.com/recession/2009/06/smart-…

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