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Carry the nasty (aka shifting the blame)

by Paul Wells on Monday, June 15, 2009 1:00pm - 92 Comments

Carry the nasty (aka shifting the blame)Well, you still really don’t walk away from a half-hour with Michael Ignatieff marvelling at the clarity of his expression. But the Liberal leader accomplished something interesting this morning at the National Press Theatre.

Over the weekend, one Liberal admitted to me that Ignatieff was in imminent danger of going from being “lionized to Dionized.” Which is to say, the big guy’s been getting fewer and fewer glowing reviews about his strategic prowess, and he faces more and more questions about his skills as a strategist and, more fundamentally, about whether he has any guts. He cooked up this probation thing. He determined its schedule. Its central understanding was that if the government failed probation, the Liberals would withdraw confidence. So would Ignatieff force an election which “nobody wants” — an eternally meaningless phrase — and for which the Liberals remain “pathetically unready” — a more interesting state of affairs, and one I’ll get back to? Or would Ignatieff cave in?

Then he strolled into the National Press Theatre and talked a lot, and the gist of it was this: He wants details from Stephen Harper on EI, isotopes, the disposition of stimulus spending and, er, something else. He is willing to be flexible on each of these subjects. He’s willing to have the Commons sit longer to crunch these topics. But if the government doesn’t show at least as much flexibility, he’ll withdraw confidence.

It is a hard position to love, but it changes the frame of things a bit.

In Quebec political circles, we call this “faire porter l’odieux,” which can reasonably be translated as “shifting the blame,” but which I always think of as “carry the nasty.” It was all the rage in the Bouchard years, and it looks set to make a comeback if Pauline Marois manages to get herself elected premier. You, as premier of Quebec, propose something to the feds. If they grant it, they have demonstrated your strength. If they turn it down, they are mean and nasty people and, probably, help confirm your belief that this rotten country will never run. You have succeeded in making Ottawa carry the nasty.

Similarly, we are now (arguably; none of this is written in stone tablets) in a world where, if Harper consents to provide the information/ amendments/ whatever Ignatieff is (sort of) (vaguely) requesting/demanding, then it is Harper who is caving to avoid an election. Whereas, if we find ourselves traipsing off to the polls in six weeks (a week of High Drama followed by a five-week writ), then it is Harper who is being obstreperous. All ol’ Mike Ignatieff wants to do is Make Parliament Work For Canadians. It is Harper who, one way or the other, winds up carrying the nasty.

That’s the goal, anyway. As a sort of bonus, Ignatieff’s position is congruent with the realities of life for an opposition leader in a minority parliament. Recall that last August, as he inched (at last!) toward a decision on an election, Stéphane Dion was telling everyone that he, and only he, had the power to decide an election. That turned out to be the latest, but not the last, in a series of things about which Dion was wrong. It is never an opposition leader who decides the timing of an election. An opposition leader offers or withholds confidence. You need, in the current Parliament, three of them to withhold it to bring the government down. It’s the government that needs the support of one of them. And it’s the head of the government, guy named Harper, who can decide to seek an election.

All the Liberal leader can do is determine the circumstances under which he’ll extend confidence. Today he gave his conditions.

So what happens now? Nobody knows; this is an equation in too many variables. Ignatieff has declared that under some circumstances he’ll withhold confidence. That sends signals to the other opposition parties and to Harper. Harper doesn’t have to accede to Ignatieff’s demands. He can reach out to either of the other opposition parties and cook a deal with them. Or Harper could call Ignatieff’s bluff and meet with him as early as this afternoon.

My own hunch, and it is only a hunch, is that we will be in an election campaign by next week. That was already my hunch before I received this email from a Conservative who usually works on the party’s campaigns: “If it’s a campaign he wants… then a campaign he will get. Either that or he backs down and looks weak. We’re not for backing down (as he well knew when he stood up this morning.)”

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Didn't see Duceppe – but Mulcair running out to say Iggy voted 71 times with the Cons (gosh I hope they don't run out of fingers and toes) and we're principled and we won't support the Cons, but we don't want an election and we want parliament to work. Then he mentioned Boston. Then he said that Iggy had the chance to support EI by supporting the NDP motion. Well, duh, the NDP motion wanted to make it "permanent" which would be devastating to small business.

    I'm getting a big fat headache.

    • Richard

      From 1993 to 2006, the NDP voted with the Conservatives hundreds, if not thousands, of times.

      • summer

        Against the Liberal government. Usually a good idea!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tigerinexil1428 tigerinexile

    Well… summer elections could be fun…

  • orval

    So much for making a "serene" decision. He's dithering. He is trying so hard not to be Dion that he is turning into Paul Martin.

    All Ignatieff has done is give Harper (and Layton and Duceppe) a whole week to do pre-writ campaigning. When Ignatieff backs down, he will look terrible.

    All this eternal threatening an election is delaying the hard but necessary work to rebuild the Liberal party. Ignatieff has to say: "there will be no election for the next three years" and get to work on making the LPC something people might want to vote for again.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

      Reread Wells' blog post carefully. The point is, Iggy isn't threatening an election, because he can't force one. He's rightly setting out the terms by which the Liberals will extend or deny confidence. The Cons are free to curry the favour of the other parties to maintain confidence too. Or, they can push ahead with a motion that could fail and signal the loss of confidence. Even then, the PM has to approach the GG and request an election. She could ask Iggy to try and form a government. To my surprise last fall, it's apparently possible for the PM to request a 'time-out' and have that granted!

      I think he showed some promise of backbone today, but that's my interpretation. The fact of the matter, as Wells wrote, is that Iggy has no power to force an election (and I think the Libs finally realized that's something they can work to their advantage).

      • orval

        Get real. With his statements on Thursday, combined with NDP and Bloc statements on Friday (they will never support Government in vote on the estimates) its crystal clear that Ignatieff is making a decision on an election: yes or no. Dithering will not change this. If there is an election this week, it is because of Ignatieff, not Harper. Everybody realizes this. Ignatieff will wear it, despite "carry the nasty" tactics.

        To have credibility he has to carry out his threats and ultimata. Dithering over the weekend, only to announce more dithering on Monday ,is destructive to his credibility, and gives the other parties (Mulcair is already doing this for the NDP) a chance to frame the election campaign before it even starts…

        Ignatieff……this is the worst thing you could have done. You have to make a decision, one way or another!

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

          I'm sure you were on the verge of supporting the Liberals. And like you, I have far more respect for the leaders who said they wouldn't support the plan, without reading it. Now THAT, is non-dithering leadership. Real enough for ya?

          • orval

            Not sure I get what you mean. I respected Ignatieff's decision to support the budget in January. Supporting the estimates is consistent with that decision.

            He said in his statement that he wouldn't introduce a non-confidence motion this week if the Conservatives "give positive answers" to his four questions. But he doesn't need to introduce a non-confidence motion at all, he only has join the 2 other opposition parties and vote down the estimates, then voila there is a summer election.

            One possible tactic would be in the absence of"positive answers" from PM to introduce a non-confidence motion with wording that neither the Bloc or the NDP will support (ensuring its defeat), and then vote for the estimates (when those other two parties vote against it). This way Ignatieff gets to look tough and non-Dionish ("I have no confidence in the Government!") while not causing an election ("unlike the irresponsible NDP and Bloc, I will not halt the stimulus spending for an election!").

    • KRB

      Orval, right on. One would think that the Liberals would peruse their history and see that, after being kicked out of power, they have always had a seminal policy conference while in opposition, to find out who they are and what they're about. Only after have they been able to win government and have good runs in government.

      That they now apparently believe that a policy conference is not necessary, leads me to believe that they're still being guided by their limitless arrogance. They just think that if they hang around long enough, they'll find themselves back in power soon enough. No need for any soul searching. History would dictate otherwise.

      • macphear

        Not to give them an out but the other times would have all been Conservative majorities. Canada has been in constant campaign mode since December 2003. Does ANYONE still think majorities are a bad idea?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/CTM CTM

          Lol, I hear you…

        • Savant_99

          I could live with minorities in perpetuity if it means compromise is the order of the day like it has been for *most* of the past 3 years. And so long as Iggy refrains from supporting C-15 and other retrograde legislation…which makes me grateful we don't have a Majority to cram down garbage Bills like mandatory minimums for gardeners. Seems to me like minorities are dangerous enough without a plurality of lemmings wearing the same stripes so aside from being in election mode 24/7 I rather enjoy all Parties having influence in the House…almost like everyones vote actually counts! Imagine!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/OntarioTown OntarioTown

    Remembering all the hullabaloo when – 2005 the horrors of having an election through Christmas, family time, people travelling to be with loved one at Christmas….oh and the snow and bad weather…

  • YTZ

    Great post – never heard the phrase before "Carry the Nasty" and an assessment I share – well done Mr. Ignatieff.

    What makes this a good tactic in this case is that the requests appear reasonable, and particularly in the case of isotopes and stimuls spending, are things the government should have already done.

    There isn't an obvious counter to me – although if I was Harper, I'd deliver on stimulus spending, isotopes and deficit and leave EI, essentially meeting 3 of 4 conditions.

    Of course, this strategy will only work if the stimuls spending is on track…I suspect it isn't based on the government's language these days.

    My money is now on an election.

    • Michael

      He already knows that those projects have what they need to get under way and that the federal cash flows as the projects advances.

      He's looking for a fig leaf. And soon enough we'll know whether he wants one for the hustings or BBQ season.

      • YTZ

        That is a talking point and you know it – how much money has been spent? How much will be spent by when? It's bloody simple and it's the only thing relevant to "stimulating" an economy.

  • KRB

    Iggy doesn't know what he's got himself in for. Take him to the woodshed Stephen.

    • John W.

      I would wait until after the debates before becoming to overcome with the joy of victory.

    • Paul

      Spank his sorry ass. It will make it difficult to sit on the Liberal throne for long.

  • Michael

    Thursday: "We'll make a decision and it will be clear: up or down."
    Today: "I don't grade reports like this, it's too serious, it's not a game"

    Extend parliament to write more reports on Maple reactors and how projects draw cash as they advance…. That heis too serious to grade? If he has something more concrete in mind he'll get some cover. Otherwise I'm betting the paper's he'll be grading this Fall will be term papers.

  • Dee

    I hope you are right about the election campaign. But somehow I don't see Harper being as belligerent with the Liberals, as he was in the past, when he is faced with the prospect of heading into a campaign down in the polls and holding the bag for a recession and massive deficit. Steve has radically changed his party position before to save his own skin (remember him stating Canada didn't need stimulus spending just last fall?), and he will do it again this time. He won't have to do much to make Iggy happy but Harper will cave in a wee bit.

    The campaign worker you quote at the end of your posting just demonstrates the hubris of so many Conservatives that could easily result in their downfall. They're playing with fire if they think Canadians will take kindly (yet again) to another aggressive, mean-spirited and unnecessary campaign when they could just alternatively cooperate with the other parties elected to Parliament.

    • Simon Sez

      If Iggy was interested in co-operation, he would have called Harper long ago to try and get something done. But call he really cares about is getting an election so he can become PM. He just doesn't want to be left carrying the bag for it.

      • Capt. Discourageous

        It's ridiculous to accuse Ignatieff of only wanting power. The same thing can be said of any political leader. The same could have been said about Harper when he bailed on the National Citizen's Coalition to run for the leadership of the Canadian Alliance. Except that accusation wasn't made at the time because it's so bogus and disingenous that only the Harper himself would stoop to using it.

      • Jon Pertwee

        Im pretty sure that Harper's phone has numbers on it too. Why didn't he call Mike over for a windbag bbq before now?

    • Mulletaur

      Very good points, Dee. Harper will back down as he has already done once. Or, we will have an election where Canadians turn on the mean-spirited Conservatives who once again showed that they didn't want to make Parliament work. Iggy has made a good move.

  • Election Ready

    Harper should run the clock out by meeting, looking concilatory, requesting specifics — something I don't see the media doing — then make MI eat his specifics for breakfast. In the meantime rev up the election machine. I see the Liberals are concentrating their Qc money on 10 to 20 ridings.

    Going to the polls is a huge gamble for the Cons and Harper but it isn't going to get better and the Liberals could well be kept weaker than they otherwise would become.

    • Mulletaur

      I see the ConBots are out in force today.

    • Jon Pertwee

      Run the clock out? What are you on?

  • Simon Sez

    You could also define it as playing political games in the midst of a recession. If Ignatieff had any conviction in anything he alluded to other than really, really badly wanting an election he would have set hard terms for his support.

    But he doesn't have any conviction. Just a burning desire to be Prime Minister at any cost.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

      That's right, because being very demanding and inflexible is a sure-fire way to avoid an election, whereas offering some room for compromise is giving Harper no option but to approach the GG to dissolve the house.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

    Oh, there are feet. And there is fire.

    One is over there.

    And the other's around here somewhere ……

  • Anon

    So, this rubbish will go on for a full week, then? If Harper wants an election, per your Conservative source, why not just go over to the GG and ask for one?

    Today.

  • Stephen

    And how long will he blame last if we get an election? And does it really matter who is to blame, after 5 weeks.

    Problem with vague requests is, and I am sure its a feature not a bug, is it still lets MI say no if he feels like it…so the cons are going to be wary of entering the realm of ever escalating demands.

    Warning to both sides. Today, nobody actually cares who looks strong or weak, (dont fight the last battle) its who is the most "reasonable" …that is a tough thing to judge when you are trying to read voters minds, which shoudl give both sides pause.

    Inkless' comment that " you still really don’t walk away from a half-hour with Michael Ignatieff marvelling at the clarity of his expression"
    should be a big red flag to the Liberals.

    Elections are often about that.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

    No. Conservative voters are about that.
    Some of us understand that black & white are not the only two hues on the spectrum.

    • Stephen

      The disonance between your first two sentences and your third are truely awe inspiring.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

        And some of us even understand when it is proper to apply each view.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    You think Canadians watching Iggy debate himself is going to impress the electorate? I have been thinking about the debates and I was wondering if Libs would try to avoid them because Iggy likes nothing better than to say 'on the one hand … but on the other …. and on the one hand … " repeat ad nauseam.

    • André

      They should send Dion with only one directive: "Destroy Harper". He's fully capable of it and he has nothing to lose this time.

      Last time he got muzzled and blackmailed into using the tv exposure as free adspace.

    • Jon Pertwee

      And "let me be clear" and "make no mistake" are any better? Sheesh!

  • Will

    If he wanted an election really, really badly, he would have said "We're bringing down the government" right after the infomercial.

  • Simon Sez

    Ignatieff asked for reports. He got reports. But he can't justify an election on the report he got, so he is now demanding more reports about the report.

    Give me a break.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

      Just because there's a bunch of words on paper, doesn't mean it's a satisfactory or illuminating report. Did you catch the part of his presser where he talked about wanting good government that works for Canadians? And the part where he noted that Harper hasn't been in touch with him since January? There's no reason to suspect that Iggy wouldn't prefer to see an election delayed, but that he needs some good faith communication and compromise from our minority PM to maintain confidence, and that he's willing to offer the same in return. Sort of the job the election results handed to the Liberals, no?

    • Jon Pertwee

      So if you wanted a report from me and I sent you a piece of paper with the word 'report' on it, would that suffice? If I had teachers that utilized that logic I would have been an rhodes scholar.

    • wilson

      The first report wasn't good enough,
      will the next report be? Or the one after that?
      What is good enougj?
      Last week only an EI 360 reform was good enough.
      Today, he's flexible, some kind of EI change, not necessarily presented on Friday, not necessarily EI 360.

      MI gets to 'carry the nasty'
      when he decides if Harper's answers are good enough.

    • wilson

      The first report wasn't good enough,
      will the next report be? Or the one after that?
      What is good enougj?
      Last week only an EI 360 reform was good enough.
      Today, he's flexible, some kind of EI change, not necessarily presented on Friday, not necessarily EI 360.

      MI gets to 'carry the nasty'
      when he decides if Harper's answers are good enough.

      • Jon Pertwee

        Um Good enough might mean some actual numbers and not a Puffmaster Infomercial.

        Please dont ever let Harper say "You're going to love my nuts!"

  • Simon Sez

    If Ignatieff didn't want an election, why didn't he just go over to the NPT today and say he would be supporting the gov't?

    • Jon Pertwee

      If Layton didn't want an election, why didnt he pray to the ancient babylonian god Baal to bring forth destruction upon his opponents?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ScottFeschuk ScottFeschuk

    Does anyone know where the Governor-General is? Or has Stephen Harper's ability to request the prorogation of Parliament been installed as a touch-tone option on the Rideau Hall switchboard?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

      I believe the GG is in the remote woods of B.C., ripping the spleen out of a grizzly bear for afternoon tea. Next time Harper knocks on her door, she should greet him with a smile and ulu in her hand.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

      I was just reading G Pearson's thoughts on Apocalypse Now and it got me thinking. Has anyone seen GG since she ate the heart of goodness the other day? Maybe she's gone native and isn't coming back.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/tdotlib tdotlib

        She was on the hour just last week – looking quite dignified and very humble about her role as the GG.

    • http://chuckercanuck.blogspot.com chuckercanuck

      She's framing Iggy's autograph, the one that went on his solemn pledge to form a coalition with the Bloc.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    "and for which the Liberals remain “pathetically unready” — a more interesting state of affairs, and one I’ll get back to?"

    Don't tease us Wells. I am still waiting for your post on how the Poles smashed Moscow's teeth but I am also interested in your thoughts on why Libs are pathetically unready. I am curious, are those your quotes around pathetically unready or are you quoting Lib/Con/NDP source?

    • Stephen

      I look forward to the Inkless reply as well……however, while the group involved with Iggy are head and shoulders above the group around Dion….do you honestly think they are truely ready. Do you think any of the parties is truely ready for the level of debate….planes and halls can be rented quickly, candidates can be appointed but the mechanics of electioneering are part of the story.

      I dont think any of the parties really have much of substance to offer at this stage. They all need time off.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

        Monday and Tuesday are deadline days for the real live print magazine. You may wait a bit.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

      I think has to finish up on his epic poem – "The forty year jihad of Daniel Ortega" – before all else.

  • http://darcymeyers.wordpress.com darcy

    He'd better hope he can successfully make Harper "carry the nasty" if an election is called. He is already being framed as an opportunist, which is gaining traction. Given the current economic conditions and political narrative; it will be confirmed in many eyes if he votes non-confidence; not because of the economic situation (which an election will not help) but because of some favorable polling..
    Most Canadians don't blame Harper for the economic situation, or for the response. The coalition successfully sold most people on the need for some stimulus in the fall, with a recognition of the deficit that would entail. There has been no economic differentiation since then, so little traction there.
    Some good politics to keep eyes on him for another week, but he should not risk an election now.

    • YTZ

      I don't blame Harper for the economy. I am tolerant of the stimulus as a response.

      I am intolerant of promising stimulus money and not getting it spent. If spending the money is delayed, it will have the effect of causing a deficit without stimulating the economy.

      I don't know if money is being spent or not. I hope someone tells me soon.

  • hosertohoosier

    I think it is pre-ordained that Harper will "carry the nasty" (great phrase) for much the same reason that he is down in the polls – he has a lot of negatives and, in particular, a reputation as a bully. What is strange to me is how little effort the Tories have made to win these framing battles. For instance, they didn't talk about Harper the great pragmatist after he worked with Ignatieff on the last budget – perhaps they thought doing so would weaken Harper's "strong leader" image, and so, they willingly "bought the nasty".

    If I were Harper in this situation, I would be calling Jack Layton right now. Ignatieff wants an election soon – it seems clear to me that so long as these constant "reports" continue, Harper will have a lot of trouble selling his administration's accomplishments.

    • orval

      Napoleon said that when your enemy is making a mistake, don't interfere.

      PM Harper need only watch as Ignatieff makes rookie mistakes by doing exactly as Dion did.

      As to this carry the nasty nonsense, it won't be Harper that wears it. Much was made last September of Harper's decision to "break his own fixed election law" to illegally call the 2008 election, only to beat the Liberals by 12 points. He called Dion's bluff and convinced the electorate that they didn't want Dion to be PM. Nobody cared about fixed election dates. The next election will be about Ignatieff, not about who is to blame for the election. The circumstances of the election call will simply be a prop in CPC campaign (supported by NDP and Bloc) to show that Ignatieff is a narcissistic and opportunistic power-seeker with no vision or policy to help Canadians.

      • catherine

        a narcissistic and opportunistic power-seeker with no vision or policy to help Canadians

        And exactly how would this distinquish him from Harper?

        • orval

          Harper is the anti-Ignatieff.

          I can't see Harper writing books about his famous ancestors. He is a Canadian middle-class family man devoted to his family and community. His vision of a prosperous, free and respectful Canada is one I admire.
          He and his government are not corrupt, unlike the previous government.

          His policies are those I can agree with…lower income tax, GST to help families; pension income splitting instead of income trusts boondoggle; a strengthened military and steadfastness in our Alliances; respect for provincial jurisdiction (the HST decision with Ontario is only most recent example).

          The contrast between Ignatieff and Harper is stark and not in Ignatieff's favour.

          • hosertohoosier

            Ignatieff's approach is very different from Dion's. Dion made a big deal about opposing Harper tooth and nail, offered no middle ground, and then caved. Ignatieff, by contrast, has generally offered specific (if vague) compromises as prerequisites to keeping Harper "on probation". Of course, the reasons for the difference have far more to do with poll numbers than penis size (despite the annoying tendency of commentators to confuse the two). Ignatieff is in a position of strength – ahead in the polls, with a recession club he can beat the Tories with. Dion was in a position of weakness – personally unpopular both inside his party and out.

            We disagree over whether Harper will "wear the nasty" – I think the press (and public) is far more hostile than in 2008. Where we might have common ground is that I don't think wearing the nasty matters as much as Paul Wells suggests. Or, it may be effective only because we are already predisposed to dislike Harper (at least many are).

            I can think of two campaigns where "the opposition forced us into an election" was a big deal. Joe Clark ran with the slogan "give real change a fair chance", and ran around the country talking about all the "great" programs voters would lose. Paul Martin assumed he didn't have to campaign in December 2005 because voters wouldn't care and would be mad at Harper for making them watch the news.

  • billg

    An election over EI benefits? Now, finally do you guys fully understand why Rock, Tobin, Manley and others jumped ship? The big brains at the LPC are nuts! And Mr Feschuck…that prorogation saved the LPC 10 years in opposition..dont believe me?…ask Mr Dion.
    billg

    • Mulletaur

      Bilge is meant to be pumped out, not swallowed.

  • http://bloorstreetbooks.com Sean Cummings

    Two important factors to consider:

    A) Should there be an election, Canadians might well finally learn precisely what Ignatieff stands for and/or what he would be doing differently from the Tories.

    b) This is a danger to Liberals. Ignatieff has this nasty habit of publicly musing on things not to mention putting both feet into his mouth right up to the ankles.

    Don't buy the "voter wrath over a summer election" thing either – people vote though I suspect there will be a sharp drop in voter turnout.

    Also, I think Harper will win – it will be a significantly reduced minority, but I think he will win.

    • herringchoker

      Hi Sean,

      Ordinarily I don't put a whole lot of stock in the argument about who gets blamed for an election. It tends not to pan out, especially if its been a few years since the last vote. But when the election happens is important, although the importance changes from place to place. Albertans, for example, prefer their votes when there is snow on the ground (Don Getty's Tories had their closest vote in decades when he called the vote for June).

      There are very few campaigns that have taken place entirely during the summer season. In fact I can only think of two. Nova Scotia in 1988 and http://tiny.cc/q14iH. I'm not sure if this means anything to Iggy, but I do know more than a few people who were so PO's with Peterson calling a summer vote that they voted NDP out of spite. Of course its possible that Ontario isn't important important to the Liberal campaign this time out. Maybe the Grit are planning to sweep Quebec, ala Trudeau in 1980.

      • Stephen

        That was an odd election, the Ontario one. Even the NDP didnt expect to win….they won with like 35% of the vote, essentially the splits worked for them.

        The Liberals were unenthused and there was no reason to call the election, except the Libs knew bad economic news was on the horizon. The election may well turn on even smaller numbers, then you get who has the comitted core. That still works in the cons favour, despite Iggy making Libs feel better about being Libs again.

  • Bill Simpson

    Don't we need a confidence motion to get this done? Or is there some other legislation that is pending? Could Harper stall until the summer break and leave Iggy high and dry with his lack of confidence?

    • ARX

      It was my understanding that the budget estimates and/or supply (the exact terms I don't know) are coming up to vote this Friday, so Harper can't stall out of that vote. Ignatieff also has the 23rd as his opposition day, but a failure to pass the estimates/supply will lead to the fall of the government.

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