It’s ‘wife camp’ for 10-year-olds

Opinions are divided on a new summer camp for young girls

by Joanne Latimer on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:10pm - 62 Comments

It’s ‘wife camp’ for 10-year-oldsTwo years ago, concert pianist Wonny Song attended a reception in Paris. The host’s 13-year-old daughter greeted guests at the door and made proper introductions. “She could speak to ambassadors, artists, business people—everyone. It really made an impression,” recalls Song, vice-director of the Lambda School of Music and Fine Arts in Montreal.

Inspired by this encounter, Song is starting a new summer program for girls. The goal of Make-over Camp is to instill poise, grace and confidence in girls between the ages of 10 and 14. For two weeks, they will learn to improve their posture, voice, table manners, conversation skills, wardrobe choices, makeup application, hostessing skills and music appreciation. “We see a lot of young ladies who can benefit from a makeover program,” said Angela Chan, director of Lambda and co-creator of the camp. “They need to develop their presence.” Marc McCreavy, an industrial designer and interior decorator, will teach the girls how to host events and decorate a table. “It’s important to learn about appropriate topics of conversation and appropriate attire,” he said.

“This reminds me of my days at French finishing school before heading off to Cambridge,” laughed Alison Silcoff, the leading force behind Montreal’s Daffodil Ball. “They taught me how to enter a room while closing an umbrella. We spent 90 minutes a day on deportment. Back then, a woman was, foremost, her husband’s wife. She was expected to host dinner parties for his business associates. But today, people realize that substance is more important than form. It’s more important to work on your career.”

From a feminist perspective, the optics are dreadful on something called Make-over Camp. “It’s a deficit name,” explained Kim Gordon, head of school at the private girls’ school Bishop Strachan in Toronto. “When our school opened [in 1867], we taught the daughters of Anglican clergy to become wives. We taught all the same things as the camp, like etiquette, grace and confidence. It’s still needed, but in the context of being successful. It’s infused in our curriculum, holistically, through general presentation skills. We see these skills as power tools for girls.”

“I’m sorry, but I cannot call a charm school feminist,” said Carrie Rentschler, assistant professor of communication studies at McGill. “Yes, young girls lack confidence, as we know from studies and books about the Ophelia complex, but the way to solve it isn’t to teach them how to be good hostesses!”

Yet some parents are desperate to help their daughters act in a more dignified manner. “Parents have asked us for this kind of class,” said Holly Potter, of Miss Edgar’s and Miss Cramp’s all-girls school in Montreal. “And our alumni are telling us to teach students table manners for business luncheons and events. We’re looking into starting an after-school program, but it will not involve walking with a book on their heads.” Sam Blyth, director of the co-ed Blyth Academy in Thornhill, Ont., shudders at the thought of a stand-alone class for poise and presence: “There are all kinds of things, outdoor things, kids that age could be doing in the summer. Let them participate, don’t just modulate their behaviour.”

The concept of makeover camp also polarizes parents. While full-time mom Heather Monaco eagerly enrolled her daughter because she’s “looking to raise a little lady,” some parents aren’t impressed. “It reinforces old, gendered expectations about ladylike behaviour,” says Tina Verma, a Toronto mother and TV producer. “Reverting to that 1950s model of repressed housewives is a way of responding to the crisis of the average household—fractured by divorce and busy schedules.”

Teaching niceties to girls alone makes sociologist Marc Lafrance irate. “It might as well be called Wife Camp! Is Betty Draper happy on Mad Men? No! She’s miserable! Things like makeover camp send the message that a girl’s value lies in being entertaining, ornamental, totally innocuous, accommodating and polite,” said the assistant professor of sociology at Concordia University. “I’m also concerned because it targets girls. Where are the boys?”

Lambda conducted a survey among its students to gauge interest in the camp. “There was zero per cent interest from the boys,” said Song. “Look, this is not a boot camp to reinforce the notion that girls should stay home. It’s not sexist. We would love to include boys, but what can we do?”

Political correctness makes the marketing tricky for anything that segregates the sexes. “When I went to the Parsons Mead finishing school for girls in England in the late 1970s, the school was already trying to hide the fact it was a finishing school,” recalled Carolina Gallo La Flèche, the corporate social engagement director at Ogilvy Canada and key organizer behind many of the museum galas in Montreal. “They called it empowering. The same thing happens today. Society has always been fearful of femininity and tries to control it.”

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  • Amanda

    High five to Angela Chan, and everyone else who takes part in this camp. The world that children grow up in, is full of lazy short cuts. Rather than phone someone, they'll IM or SMS text. Lacking human contact makes children lazy and unaware of how to interact with other people and their peers, a skill they will rely heavily upon throughout their lives. Now how about a finishing school for boys?

    • felix_jones

      I have a feeling luddites everywhere were railing against Alexander Graham Bell's invention around the turn of the century. It's so impersonal to call someone when you can walk over for a visit and speak with them face-to-face. Even Socrates wrote essays about unruly kids with their loud music and lack of manners. Some things never change.

    • Stephanie

      Hardly. These "lazy shortcuts" will never replace face-to-face interaction. IM/SMS text has only provided another way to communicate.

  • amgallow

    I like the mentioning that the Mom that's *for* it is a "full time Mom" while the Mom against it has a high profile "career". Nice.

  • nat d.

    The only way young women are going to gain confidence, (grace and poise used as adjectives in the article as something for younf women to strive towards indicate only that we are still stuck in ridiculous old gender roles) is to encourage them to get an education, to get involved and participate in things they enjoy and to have discussions with people. We are not gaining anything by teaching them to be walking talking robot trophees all we are doing is reinforcing the ideas and the structures that cause the lack of self esteem in the first place.

  • hosertohoosier

    I don't see how women are "hurting the movement" by choosing to adopt a particular set of attitudes. My mother is a very strong-willed independent-minded person, for instance, but has preferences that largely follow roles traditionally prescribed for women (job-wise she was a nurse and stay-at-home mom for a time, but considered being a home economics teacher or a secretary). Should she have followed her dreams, or abandoned them for the sake of helping to foster a more progressive view of women?

    My perspective on gender is this – there may or may not be social conditioning or biological inclinations that lead women to be likely to choose some career options over others (for instance it should be unsurprising that there are few women firefighters). So long as individuals are free to follow their dreams (and treated equally in that pursuit), I don't really care what choices people make.

    An aside – I think feminists tend to underestimate the power and influence of traditional women. My grandmother was very much a woman of her era (quiet, dignified and graceful), but always made an impression on people. Perhaps she wasn't loud or opinionated, but when she did speak, people listened.

    • Valeria

      I think there's a problem with assuming feminists are loud and opinionated and can’t be traditional women. It frustrates me to no end that people who are not feminists assume that because I'm a domestically competent and reasonably polite that I mustn’t be one, as if being capable of taking care of myself was refuting my right to equal pay, reproductive control and proper political representation. I’ve even been used as an example of traditional womanhood by conservative anti-feminist peers, because I don’t broadcast my happily left winged, secular beliefs unless they’re related to the subject of discussion at hand, which is quite awkward. Knowing that I’m not the only makeup wearing and often demure and maternal feminist out there, I’m starting to think many people believe you can’t be a feminist unless you’re androgynous.

      • felix_jones

        It could be that you don't clamour for media attention. The stereotype will persist as long as the only feminists in the public eye are loud, humourless, shrews. That's unfortunate since most women, feminist or not ,are actually really pleasant.

      • Patty

        Enter text right here!what did you just say?

    • Supporter

      I agree with you 100%. I like your final statement "Perhaps she wasn't loud or opinionated, but when she did speak, people listened." Thats respect!

  • Lulu

    I think learning poise and gaining confidence is part of the 'art of being a women'. Just because we learn these "traditional" skills doesn't mean women can't also be a high-profile career woman. Part of being a successful woman is to know how to utilize your own confidence to survive in this world too.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/irongirl irongirl

    It is a good idea if it is modernised. Instead of thank you notes for a dinner party, why not teach girls to write thank you notes after a job interview or how to host a dinner party for your colleagues, not your husbands. Having manners, being considerate and speaking well is not old and antiquated and can be used to land a new job or contract.

  • Lump516

    As someone in the article mentioned, how about etiquette training for boys and girls–they could all use a bit of taming–the little beasts . . .

  • http://www.prospere-magazine.com Cynthia

    I think boys need this just as much as girls – if not, they need it even more. I'm sick and tired of seeing young people look like they're on their way to film the latest hip hop video – especially when they're going into a job interview. I also think young people need to be taught to write proper notes, without using Textese. I am 29 years old and feel that I was one of the last people taught to write properly.

    • hosertohoosier

      I can certainly see this in some of my (I am 25 – and of the last crop of students in my high school to learn to type with a typewriter) students (I am a TA). I wonder how these people would get by in a highly professional workplace with their incomprehensible sentences. An English grad student I knew once had the displeasure of teaching English for engineers (I suppose numbers are their first language, words their second). In order to hammer home the importance of clarity in writing he gave them all a sample of a memo written by a NASA employee. The memo outlined exactly what was wrong with the Challenger – before the Challenger disaster took place. It was summarily ignored by management, in part because the memo was written so poorly.

      Spell-check prevents people from finding grammatical mistakes (unless they are among the few mistakes that MS word picks up), because students assume a clear sheet has no mistakes. Some mistakes are so common that it appears a whole generation of students uses a word improperly. For instance a lot of my students would write "the article was bias" instead of "the article was biased". The built-in thesaurus causes them problems too. They start using words without grasping precise meanings because those words are longer and "sound smart". With wikipedia they can do the same for facts – but real intuitive understanding is much harder to google (be thankful that in Canada our students were "left behind" by the wave of standardized testing down here – many of our students don't even get that understanding things is important). Finally, the combination of our word-processing tools with the Internet AND an incredibly powerful gaming and communication platform seriously harms attention spans. It would be cruel to have kids study in a roomful of toys, yet that is precisely what computers (and other such tools) have done.

      I think mini-books pose a potential solution. Small, cheap laptops that can handle word-processing and more basic online functions that would balk at running resource hog computer games.

      • Gaunilon

        cynth babe – writing is over8ed. boyz dont wr makeup so dont mak uz goto sum dum girlz skool.
        Plzkthnks.

        • Supporter

          Sounds like you could benefit from this school!!!

      • DMM

        Judging from the deplorable writing skills you've displayed here, your students aren't going to learn much from you anyway.

        DM
        Writer/editor

        • hosertohoosier

          Maybe you should go to charm school, DMM

          person/who is not a jerk

    • Samantha Dunham

      i agree with you completely! but as a 13 year old who using texting a lot, it is hard to not use "textese" when you are forever texting.

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  • Gaunilon

    From Alison Silcoff: "…substance is more important than form. "
    True that.

    Very next line: "It’s more important to work on your career.”
    Fantastic. A woman's substance is her career value.

    Perhaps these finishing schools should abandon makeup application and teach logic instead.

  • Lisa

    I'm disturbed that they're teaching makeup application to 10-14 year olds. Don't get me wrong, it's good to know that blondes should avoid black mascara and your lip liner should always match your lipstick, but can't these girls enjoy their childhoods a bit before learning how to doll themselves up for the hubby?

    • Jaime

      I think most children this age already are curious or have applied makeup -whether or not that such behavior is disapproved or discouraged. Rather than avoid the issue, or just seeing them put on make up in excess and looking completely inappropriate, it is a good idea to show them what is good on them so that they develop a sense of style and taste.

      People often relate make up with vanity. We have to understand that it is a natural part of the growth process of girls. They need to learn what looks good on them, and what is good for specific occasions.

      • not u!

        this is so true!!!!!!

    • Kelsie

      why? they want to feel good about themselves just as much as you do!

  • Valeria

    I think that the problem is basically that it's being pushed for girls and not boys, and the 'make over' theme. Make overs imply a radical change, but good manners and self confidence are business skills that can work well in concert with the happy, healthy and intelligent children of either gender.

    I'm not so disturbed by the idea of makeup application lessons (it being as basic a requirement and neckties or shaving, in some professions) but I honestly think they didn't try very hard to pitch this to boys. Plenty of 14 year old boys I know would have enjoyed learning to tie a tie (bow or otherwise), pour wine and otherwise be a good host.

    • Kesie

      i totally agree with you! u said it rite!

  • Jenn Farr

    "We would love to include boys, but what can we do?”
    It's your camp – you could have made it co-ed! Sheesh.

    • Chump

      I don't think this will be appealing to guys…

      • someone.

        you dont think it will appeal guys? well not ever girl loves this either!

    • Samantha

      i agree completely!

  • Paul

    Having good manners is important but wouldn't it be better for girls and boys to have camps to go to that improve there self esteme without turning them into jerks or snobs.

    • ABarlow

      I don't agree with this at all. Children these days have far too much self-esteem and too little of anything else.

    • Anoymous

      amen!!!!! i totally agree! when i was 12 i started worrying about stuff that a 16 year old is 2 young 2 worry abt! we need camps 2 help with boys and girls and not just us girls. i mean come on! 90% of your men are in need of some manners more than your women.

  • Nadia

    Shouldn't the parents be the ones to teach their childrens appropriate manners and etiquette? Maybe there should be a finishing school for them instead of the kids.

    • Amanda

      i think that there should be a parenting school for anyone over 16. maybe then we wouldnt need etiquette camps for 10 year old kids. at 10 u should be playing with barbies and polly pocket dolls. not trying to host partys and worrying about ur posture. that can come later.

  • Jillian

    You know, if parents did their job, there would not be a "need" for this type of program at all. As a parent of 4 children, aged 9 – 16 (two boys, 2 girls). I made it our job as parents to ensure all of our kids learned common courtesies, posture, manners, etc. We want our kids to be good citizens who take responsibilities for themselves and their actions, while being productive and successful in their life choices.

    Instead of programs like this, I honestly believe parenting skills classes should be mandatory at all schools as soon as children reach the age of puberty…if you can make a baby, you should know how to look after it!

    • Renae

      i totally agree! but kids today are so rebellios! my kids never even remember 2 clean their room much less keep their back straight and remember tht there is more to manners than please and thank you.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/highlyirritable highlyirritable

    Is there a neighbouring chivalry camp I can send my son to? Why can't we just let kids be kids? At 13, you should not be worrying about entertaining adult men. That's a little too high on the creep-o-meter in my book.

    J
    http://highlyirritable.wordpress.com

    • Sammy

      if we want our kids to be mature at 16 we need these camps! at 13 i was still wearing long,frilly,pink dresses. i wish there had been 1 of these camps when i was young!

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  • MMM

    Where is the finishing school for boys? I have endured rude behavior and table manners from the men that I work with for more years than I care to count.

    Yes, believe it or not, men could benefit from learning to 'host the party' instead of just showing up with the 6-pack (and I'm not talking about abs).

    • Supporter

      GREAT COMMENT!

  • Supporter

    I think this is an outstanding idea. In the past children were taught respect and proper behaviour when their parents were parenting. Today, parents are so involved with their busy life of work, and materialistic entertainments that they have "stopped parenting". Often your in the stores and restaurants where kids are running around, screaming, giggling and no discipline. This only intensifies as they get older. As far as the age group for the 'wife camp' it is targeting that most impressionable years. Grades 6 – 9 are major changes for children and are trapped in trying to figure out who they are. This 'wife camp' would provide a sense of stability. I think this would be great to be a part of educational curriculum for both females and an equivalent for males. Males can get some education on stop being abusive to women!

    • Anne

      I am with you on this one. It does not matter how our children and teens got into this state, we all, parents, educators,media and society have to share equal blame for failing our children on this one. It is time to take back some control. Children need to learn about respect, and face to face communication, and it needs to be regularily enforced. We the adults have to remember that the generations of children we raise will be running governments, corporations, and possibly our lives in our "sunset" years as we contemplate moving to nursing homes. I for one want to know that I will still have the love and respect of my children enough to know that they will see to my comfort when I can no longer do for myself. Gender has nothing to do with this, it should be equally taught to everyone, even some adults i personally know!!!!!!

  • femail supported

    As a woman, who honestly would have benefitted from something like this when I was growing up, I do not see this a bad "anti-feminist" movement. Look at children today, we are living in a time of instant gratification, and no contact. I would love to see a school setup for boys as well as this on for girls, but this is a great idea, and about time someone set it up again.

    This is a finishing school, and we need more of them.

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  • Geo

    Good manners are a must. At least the basics. An I can think of lots of things co-ed that both boys and girls would enjoy at a summer camp of poise, self-esteem, table manners, correct address, fair play, etc. etc. How about some practical stuff. at 10 to 14 they could handle real life saving first aid. Some interesting hacking of computers and how to protect against some real world viri, trojans and such. A week crewing on a tall ship. I expect this is all expensive anyway and this would be a dream thing for my kids back then. At 10 to 14 or so kids are so ready for responsibility and respect but we seldom give it to them. So we are lucky if we can get them to clean up their rooms. They deserve so much more. But not wify classes, make up and clothes, there is time for that but later, or evenings or at times when the guys are playing wii, I mean how much time can you play Barbie doll. Boring.

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