Now, it's only a one-day sample, but …

by kadyomalley on Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:54am - 25 Comments

Looking at the latest CBC/EKOS poll, I can’t help but think that certain official opposition leaders — and the people who advise them — would prefer to see that little red line shoot off in the opposite direction on Tuesday night:

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EKOS pollster Frank Graves suggests that it was the threat of a summer election that sent the Liberal numbers into free fall:

The daily tracking within this larger poll continues to show a high degree of volatility. The
Liberals experienced a very substantial drop, for example, from Monday to Tuesday, while the
NDP and Conservatives edged up.
“Was this a reaction to the threat of a summer election, which we know from our previous
polling, people don’t want?” asked Graves. “We have seen sudden spikes and troughs in the daily
numbers before, sometime apparently unrelated to the flow of events. However, it is possible
that the Liberals paid at least a momentary price for appearing ready to inflict an unwanted
election.”

The daily tracking within this larger poll continues to show a high degree of volatility. The Liberals experienced a very substantial drop, for example, from Monday to Tuesday, while the NDP and Conservatives edged up. “Was this a reaction to the threat of a summer election, which we know from our previous polling, people don’t want?” asked Graves. “We have seen sudden spikes and troughs in the daily numbers before, sometime apparently unrelated to the flow of events. However, it is possible that the Liberals paid at least a momentary price for appearing ready to inflict an unwanted election.”

But what’s interesting to ITQ is that the NDP seems to have been the primary beneficiary of that last day Liberal slide, which suggests that it may not have been Michael Ignatieff’s pre-weekend musings about bringing down the government that caused his party to drop from the mid-to-high 30s to 29% overnight, but his subsequent retreat — which was well underway when the last sample was taken, even if the deal itself didn’t leak out until late that night. I guess we’ll have to wait until next week to see whether that was a one-day aberration. He did leave the arena with a blue ribbon, after all.

The complete results aren’t available on the EKOS site yet, but I’ll add a link when they go up. In the meantime, a few more highlights:

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  • Gene Rayburn

    That jump stuck out like a sore thumb when I first saw the CBC article. I think the shift of almost all those voters to the NDP signals how transient the change is (Iggy'd have something to worry about if the shift went to the Conservatives), so don't think Iggy's a condemned man. This may have broke his stride, yes, but don't expect another <30% election for the Liberals this fall.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Oh, I agree — but as far as restoring momentum — if, that is, it actually has stalled — it's unfortunate timing for the Liberals; the House is about to rise, which means no nightly clips of him in QP, and much less political news coverage in general for the next two months. IHe'll be out there on the pre-pre-pre campaign circuit, of course, but he's ending the parliamentary session on a less-than-high note. If this had happened in, say, mid-May, he'd have a few weeks to recover before heading out on the road.

      • Gene Rayburn

        Absolutely. My guess is that, instead of slowly trending higher, the Liberals will now spend the summer treading water in the polls (now that both Harper and Ignatieff have a political crisis to their names). The potential for movement will come back in September, but the degree to which the Canadian public will be tuned out of politics this summer will be historic.

      • Wayne

        Don't forget Kady that Stevie gets to spend all summer doing what every poltician has loved to do since Moses = hand out goodies and make announcements whereas as of now the LPC will have a little difficulty being too harsh on the CPC as that would be just too hypocritical and leave them open for even more criticism.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

    I guess we now know why Iggy was so bolshie last Friday but rather tractable when he returned on Monday.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Except his numbers were going *up* — steadily — from the start of the standoff — the stimulus update report — until Tuesday, when he was slated to meet with Harper to hammer out a deal. Which suggests the opposite was true — bolshie was working for him, at least in the short term — tractable was what turned people off.

      • Charles

        I think that's right – backing down makes it look like everything before that was posturing. I can't understand how, after all that's happened lately, the Liberals can credibly vote for the government. It's like they spend 9/10 of their time saying that the government is a bunch of lying, incompetent scoundrels who (a) don't care about people who've lost their jobs, (b) don't care whether people can get tests to find out if they have cancer, and (c) couldn't prepare a budget if their lives depended on it, but that final 1/10 of the time, they are saying that they are perfectly reasonable people and so they'll vote on whatever confidence motion is up at the moment. It's just not credible.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

        Thank you, I totally read that wrong. I don't know what to make of the numbers then: if appearing to have a spine was polling so well why did he back down.

        I have read that most of the Lib brain trust wants an election as well so I wonder if it was the caucus that pulled the plug on summer election. Or are the Libs so unprepared for election that it would be freak show and support would disappear.

        • Will

          I know that the caucus was also in the main desperate for an election. It seems as though Ignatieff was actually just responding to all the people that said they didn't want a summer election.

        • anonlinereader

          Deficiet plan / lack of PBO, accounting for stimulus planned for this summer that will really only happen next summer / lack of PBO , no plan for isotope crisis that has only just started and will get worse through summer / fall for an unarticulated study on (self employed) E.I. . Ignoring meat committee completly ?

          No wonder poll #'s are off . Either Iggy's backroom boys have lost their edge or CC of CEOs have spoken to both leaders .

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Thwim Thwim

          An odd thought.. perhaps Ignatieff was truthful in what he was saying?

      • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

        I think you are analyzing twitches in the data.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Inkless Inkless

    This is a one-day tracking bump, and there will be legitimate debate about whether it means anything at all. I take this sort of thing to be real but temporary — you can knock those one-day numbers around quite a bit, depending on events. What happened here? The line in the sand Iggy drew on Monday was not easily compatible with his daylong meetings with Harper on Tuesday. People are wondering whether there's anyone in Iggy's suit. For now it's still an open question.

    • Wotcher?

      I think that's the problem. Ignatieff doesn't have a track record yet. So when the climb down happened, some people would have seen the spectre of Dion.

    • catherine

      For those of us who may not have been paying full attention, can you point us to Ignatieff's Monday "line in the sand" you refer to.

      You reported at the time (Monday) that Ignatieff wanted "details" on Harper's EI plan. Was there more than that?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

        Yes. He wanted to know "the plan" to get Canada out of deficit; he wanted a full report on whether the stimulus funding was, in fact, being spent — not just allocated, actually distributed — and he wanted to know how the government was going to deal with the isotope crisis. He mentioned all four during his press conference, and then apparently forgot all about them when he went off to meet with the PM.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

          That's the part that has me scratching my head. It's not like other three were footnotes.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

            Agreed. I think Iggy is trying to be too cute by half a lot of the time. Trying to appear as the staunch dude that takes no guff, rising to the Herculean task of holding PMSH's feet to the accountability fire but at the same time as being totally reasonable and relaxed, and justing wishing the PM would cut a deal to make this work is seemingly leading to a special kind of schizophrenia and, apparently, perhaps leaving a bad taste in the mouth of voters.

        • catherine

          Thanks, Kady. I thought the line was in reference to something on EI, but I agree the other 3 items dropping off is backing down.

  • Bonnie N

    Something else Kady
    In all the scrums and Ignatieff''s press conference leading up to the great ribbon solution he framed everything with I. It made me cringe.

    We know the Harper government is him but when Ignatieff does the same thing it plays opportunist and right into the Conservative play book.

    I don't think it made Iggy look weak but even more arrogant than Harper. Meanwhile, we are in an economic recession and our choices are reduced to none of the above.

  • Charles

    Maybe that explains the rise in support for the NDP.

  • Cool Blue

    Conservative Ads:

    “He doesn’t care about Canadians; he’s in it for himself.”

    Iggy on Tuesday (paraphrasing):

    “I care about what Canadians want and they don’t want an election.  This isn’t about my ambitions.”

    The ads worked.

    • Stephen

      The second half of the answer breaking PR rule #1, don't answer the negative.

  • Wascally Wabbit

    Sadly – he raised the four points – and now has given Harper Raitt and co. time for them to finally get their act together – and you betcha he won't get any credit.
    The good news is (if there is any good news) -
    a) it will give Riding associations who are still in denial that they lost so badly last time around – a chance to get their act together and get good candidates out there working the voters and
    b) It will give Iggy a chance to get that Election Platform rolled out – and it HAD BETTER be progressive enough to distinguish him from Harper – because right now its hard to put a cigarette paper between them – is the impression being formed!

  • Michele

    The isotope matter was the most important and he did naught. Little kids are being given alternatives that give them bad side effects that will leave then worse off then before….The Health minister keeps pushing these alternatives as if she does not know what she is repeating over and over.

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