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		<title>By: Fighting for Quebec</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-2/#comment-135934</link>
		<dc:creator>Fighting for Quebec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, even home-schooled kids are technically obliged to follow the provincial curriculum, including this new program!  It may not be easy to enforce but it is still the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, even home-schooled kids are technically obliged to follow the provincial curriculum, including this new program!  It may not be easy to enforce but it is still the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135933</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First Nations have suffered so much it&#039;s normal that they should not be exposed to the Repentance &amp; Guilt-centric curriculum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Nations have suffered so much it&#039;s normal that they should not be exposed to the Repentance &amp; Guilt-centric curriculum.</p>
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		<title>By: Line Simard</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135932</link>
		<dc:creator>Line Simard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse my bad english.   How do you like your soup, salad, meat, dessert and wine in the same plate? That&#039;s exactly what &quot;our&quot; government wants the schools teach to  the children. This government is driving our lifes more and more when deciding what OUR kids will beleive in!  Deo Gratias, we still have choice to comment, but for how long...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse my bad english.   How do you like your soup, salad, meat, dessert and wine in the same plate? That&#039;s exactly what &quot;our&quot; government wants the schools teach to  the children. This government is driving our lifes more and more when deciding what OUR kids will beleive in!  Deo Gratias, we still have choice to comment, but for how long&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: francoised</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135931</link>
		<dc:creator>francoised</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) &quot;People are starting their own schools; and recently, ArchBishop Ouellet has started one, too&quot;

It will still have to teach the Government sanctioned courses including Ethics and Religious Culture. (If you need pointers to that effect I can supply)

2) &quot;Other parents are homeschooling.&quot;

Yes, there is some practical freedom there (at great cost), but none in principle. Maitre Boucher, the Government counsel at the Loyola court case, said that homeschoolers must still teach this course (although this is difficult to enforce, some homeschoolers have to show the ethics work done during the year when they present their so-called portfolio to their schoolboard).

The only official exemptions : Inuits and Crees in the Kativik schoolboard.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://pouruneecolelibre.blogspot.com/2009/05/citation-du-jour-gilles-routhier.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pouruneecolelibre.blogspot.com/2009/05/cit...&lt;/a&gt;

3) &quot;Parents must stop blaming BigBrother and get off their butts&quot;

Parents must go on blaming Big Brother and get off their butts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) &quot;People are starting their own schools; and recently, ArchBishop Ouellet has started one, too&quot;</p>
<p>It will still have to teach the Government sanctioned courses including Ethics and Religious Culture. (If you need pointers to that effect I can supply)</p>
<p>2) &quot;Other parents are homeschooling.&quot;</p>
<p>Yes, there is some practical freedom there (at great cost), but none in principle. Maitre Boucher, the Government counsel at the Loyola court case, said that homeschoolers must still teach this course (although this is difficult to enforce, some homeschoolers have to show the ethics work done during the year when they present their so-called portfolio to their schoolboard).</p>
<p>The only official exemptions : Inuits and Crees in the Kativik schoolboard.</p>
<p><a href="http://pouruneecolelibre.blogspot.com/2009/05/citation-du-jour-gilles-routhier.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://pouruneecolelibre.blogspot.com/2009/05/cit&#8230;</a></p>
<p>3) &quot;Parents must stop blaming BigBrother and get off their butts&quot;</p>
<p>Parents must go on blaming Big Brother and get off their butts.</p>
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		<title>By: bernadette</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135930</link>
		<dc:creator>bernadette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are starting their own schools; and recently, ArchBishop Ouellet has started one, too. Other parents are homeschooling.  Parents must stop blaming BigBrother and get off their butts and do their duty; and many things will be &quot;fixed&quot;...  In the seventies; my mother supplemented our school system education with courses at home, and she supplied educational activities for us as a family and with other families.  We were seven kids and my dad worked away most of the time; and my mother also had to work parttime to supplement our family income...  People need to turn off the tv and start living!  If parents educated their children well; we would have better politicians to vote for!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are starting their own schools; and recently, ArchBishop Ouellet has started one, too. Other parents are homeschooling.  Parents must stop blaming BigBrother and get off their butts and do their duty; and many things will be &quot;fixed&quot;&#8230;  In the seventies; my mother supplemented our school system education with courses at home, and she supplied educational activities for us as a family and with other families.  We were seven kids and my dad worked away most of the time; and my mother also had to work parttime to supplement our family income&#8230;  People need to turn off the tv and start living!  If parents educated their children well; we would have better politicians to vote for!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernadette</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-2/#comment-135929</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernadette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many parents in Qu&#233;bec have been homeschooling their children.  This is a huge sacrifice of time, effort and money; but the parents can choose the curriculum and the teaching methods.  there are not many French-language based courses; but the government of France has elaborated one for its diplomatic corps, and anyone can apply for it.  You can also get the tutoring and the correcting, if you want.  At first; all this might seem to be beyond the means of ordinary families; but in my case, parents and friends helped with the bills; and we used homeschooling, cooperative schooling, private (really, really, private) schools, and international schools, to educate our children.  I am now a grandmother, and still paying back for the wonderful education of our four children; but I pay back with GRATITUDE and joy; our children are great adults; intelligent leaders; hard workers and good people.  Only two have chosen to practice the Catholic Faith; but all four have strong principles of decency; which their friends, employers, and colleagues appreciate.  We could never have done this alone; but nobody has to go it alone.  YOU ARE LOVED.  Deo Gratias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many parents in Qu&eacute;bec have been homeschooling their children.  This is a huge sacrifice of time, effort and money; but the parents can choose the curriculum and the teaching methods.  there are not many French-language based courses; but the government of France has elaborated one for its diplomatic corps, and anyone can apply for it.  You can also get the tutoring and the correcting, if you want.  At first; all this might seem to be beyond the means of ordinary families; but in my case, parents and friends helped with the bills; and we used homeschooling, cooperative schooling, private (really, really, private) schools, and international schools, to educate our children.  I am now a grandmother, and still paying back for the wonderful education of our four children; but I pay back with GRATITUDE and joy; our children are great adults; intelligent leaders; hard workers and good people.  Only two have chosen to practice the Catholic Faith; but all four have strong principles of decency; which their friends, employers, and colleagues appreciate.  We could never have done this alone; but nobody has to go it alone.  YOU ARE LOVED.  Deo Gratias.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernadette</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135928</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernadette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is precisely the modernisation of canon laws that has emptied the Church.  Traditional communities are reviving now from the laxism and relativism that ravaged the Church since the 1960&#039;s; and the monastaries and seminaries that are filling quickly with truly outstanding candidates, are the ones that espouse the most generous gift of self through applied love of God; which is sacred and disciplined.  If you are hinting that young men do not consecrate themselves to religious life because of celibacy; then you have never spoken to a truly holy priest; nor to a fully convinced candidate to the priesthood.  People who give to God are always rewarded hundredfold; the priesthood is a life full of magnificent love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is precisely the modernisation of canon laws that has emptied the Church.  Traditional communities are reviving now from the laxism and relativism that ravaged the Church since the 1960&#039;s; and the monastaries and seminaries that are filling quickly with truly outstanding candidates, are the ones that espouse the most generous gift of self through applied love of God; which is sacred and disciplined.  If you are hinting that young men do not consecrate themselves to religious life because of celibacy; then you have never spoken to a truly holy priest; nor to a fully convinced candidate to the priesthood.  People who give to God are always rewarded hundredfold; the priesthood is a life full of magnificent love.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135927</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how can this be fixed/changed?</description>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135926</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greek philosophy won&#039;t help much to rationalise things.  Plato reads like a psychopath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greek philosophy won&#039;t help much to rationalise things.  Plato reads like a psychopath.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135925</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you&#039;re right, but in the 4th century it was impregnated with Greek philosophy and thoroughly rationalised.  The problem is that the rational aspect is being deliberately played down by the Church itself and most of the laity were quite ignorant of it to begin with.  One hardly ever sees any actual theology these days that isn&#039;t ad hoc, i.e. motivated by some a priori agenda like contraception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you&#039;re right, but in the 4th century it was impregnated with Greek philosophy and thoroughly rationalised.  The problem is that the rational aspect is being deliberately played down by the Church itself and most of the laity were quite ignorant of it to begin with.  One hardly ever sees any actual theology these days that isn&#039;t ad hoc, i.e. motivated by some a priori agenda like contraception.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135919</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m perfectly well aware that the Church is hierarchical, I&#039;m just saying that the hierarchy isn&#039;t everything and anyway it has many branches; and sometimes the lines of authority are a bit blurry.  Of course the Pope has ultimate authority on interpreting doctrine etc., that&#039;s why I&#039;m blaming him for the fact that the Church is dying in the West (or being reduced to an absolute minimum number of believers).  My point being that there wouldn&#039;t be such a lack of faith in the West if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality, not least on such important questions as celibacy for the priesthood.  When you start suspecting that your beloved Church is being run by a bunch of creepy whackjobs, you start to drift away from your faith.  Unless you&#039;re a fanatic, I suppose, in which case you might &lt;i&gt;prefer&lt;/i&gt; that it be run by creepy whackjobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m perfectly well aware that the Church is hierarchical, I&#39;m just saying that the hierarchy isn&#39;t everything and anyway it has many branches; and sometimes the lines of authority are a bit blurry.  Of course the Pope has ultimate authority on interpreting doctrine etc., that&#39;s why I&#39;m blaming him for the fact that the Church is dying in the West (or being reduced to an absolute minimum number of believers).  My point being that there wouldn&#39;t be such a lack of faith in the West if the Church hadn&#39;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality, not least on such important questions as celibacy for the priesthood.  When you start suspecting that your beloved Church is being run by a bunch of creepy whackjobs, you start to drift away from your faith.  Unless you&#39;re a fanatic, I suppose, in which case you might <i>prefer</i> that it be run by creepy whackjobs.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135924</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;... if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality&quot;&lt;/i&gt;???

Hell, that&#039;s what it&#039;s founded upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;&#8230; if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality&quot;</i>???</p>
<p>Hell, that&#039;s what it&#039;s founded upon.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135922</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;... if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality&quot;&lt;/i&gt;???

Hell, that&#039;s what its founded upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;&#8230; if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality&quot;</i>???</p>
<p>Hell, that&#039;s what its founded upon.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135923</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;... if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality&quot;&lt;/i&gt;???

Hell, that&#039;s what its found upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;&#8230; if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality&quot;</i>???</p>
<p>Hell, that&#039;s what its found upon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T.</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135921</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, it is the children and teens who need most to start thinking objectively about religion that will be hardest to reach with this aspect of the cirriculum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, it is the children and teens who need most to start thinking objectively about religion that will be hardest to reach with this aspect of the cirriculum.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135920</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m perfectly well aware that the Church is hierarchical, I&#039;m just saying that the hierarchy isn&#039;t everything and anyway it has many branches; and sometimes the lines of authority are a bit blurry.  Of course the Pope has ultimate authority on interpreting doctrine etc., that&#039;s why I&#039;m blaming him for the fact that the Church is dying in the West (or being reduced to an absolute minimum number of believers).  My point being that there wouldn&#039;t be such a lack of faith in the West if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality, not least on such important questions as celibacy for the priesthood.  When you start suspecting that your beloved Church is being run by a bunch of creepy whackjobs, you drift away from your faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m perfectly well aware that the Church is hierarchical, I&#039;m just saying that the hierarchy isn&#039;t everything and anyway it has many branches; and sometimes the lines of authority are a bit blurry.  Of course the Pope has ultimate authority on interpreting doctrine etc., that&#039;s why I&#039;m blaming him for the fact that the Church is dying in the West (or being reduced to an absolute minimum number of believers).  My point being that there wouldn&#039;t be such a lack of faith in the West if the Church hadn&#039;t gone out of its way to embrace irrationality, not least on such important questions as celibacy for the priesthood.  When you start suspecting that your beloved Church is being run by a bunch of creepy whackjobs, you drift away from your faith.</p>
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		<title>By: francoised</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135918</link>
		<dc:creator>francoised</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The three news Rs are also imposed in Quebec so-called &quot;private&quot; schools since the curriculum is basically the same (a few extra courses can be presented), the teaching methodology (skill-based rather than fact-based) is the same and the exams are the same...

The State has a Monopoly of Education rather than a Ministry of Education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three news Rs are also imposed in Quebec so-called &quot;private&quot; schools since the curriculum is basically the same (a few extra courses can be presented), the teaching methodology (skill-based rather than fact-based) is the same and the exams are the same&#8230;</p>
<p>The State has a Monopoly of Education rather than a Ministry of Education.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135917</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The three Rs in Canada&#039;s Public Schools:

&lt;i&gt;Recitation, Regurgitation, and Rote&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three Rs in Canada&#039;s Public Schools:</p>
<p><i>Recitation, Regurgitation, and Rote</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: jarrid</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135916</link>
		<dc:creator>jarrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Jesuits have always been opposed to the Pope, amigo.&quot;

Yikes!  Their founder, Ignace de Loyola, explicitly had as one of his founding principles, fidelity to the pope.

&quot;Last I looked the Vatican was not the only institution in the Church...&quot;

Although it distresses the modern mind so, the Church is bulit on hirearchical lines.  The Church&#039;s founder, Jesus, chose apostles, and one amongst them, Peter, to lead them.  The bishops are the modern day descendants of the apostles, and the Pope in Rome is Peter&#039;s equivalent.  So despite the media&#039;s fascination with dissidents like Hans Kung, Catholics worthy of the name pay heed to the bishop&#039;s and particularly the bishop of Rome&#039; s direction and guidance on matters of faith.

As for lack of priestly vocations, it isn&#039;t so much a lack of sex for prospective priests that&#039;s the problem, it&#039;s rather a lack of faith.  Things are pretty grim in the Western democracies faithwise, less so in the Third World.  Where the faith is strong, there are vocations, where the faith is weak, there are a dearth of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;The Jesuits have always been opposed to the Pope, amigo.&quot;</p>
<p>Yikes!  Their founder, Ignace de Loyola, explicitly had as one of his founding principles, fidelity to the pope.</p>
<p>&quot;Last I looked the Vatican was not the only institution in the Church&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>Although it distresses the modern mind so, the Church is bulit on hirearchical lines.  The Church&#039;s founder, Jesus, chose apostles, and one amongst them, Peter, to lead them.  The bishops are the modern day descendants of the apostles, and the Pope in Rome is Peter&#039;s equivalent.  So despite the media&#039;s fascination with dissidents like Hans Kung, Catholics worthy of the name pay heed to the bishop&#039;s and particularly the bishop of Rome&#039; s direction and guidance on matters of faith.</p>
<p>As for lack of priestly vocations, it isn&#039;t so much a lack of sex for prospective priests that&#039;s the problem, it&#039;s rather a lack of faith.  Things are pretty grim in the Western democracies faithwise, less so in the Third World.  Where the faith is strong, there are vocations, where the faith is weak, there are a dearth of them.</p>
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		<title>By: francoised</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135915</link>
		<dc:creator>francoised</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madeyoulook you said :

&quot;The Minist&#232;re de l&#039;&#233;ducation provides per-pupil funding to public school boards AND to private schools.&quot;

Provides to some private schools, not all. And funding is not an issue here : whether a private school receives or not some money through the State (taken from the parent&#039;s pocket who pay twice since the &quot;generous&quot; subsidy covers at most 60% of tuition) , the course of Ethics and religious culture is imposed on all the children attending that school.

Such is the meaning of liberty in Quebec : the State must be able train all its future citizens (this is actually what the Minister of Education stated in their written closing arguments).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeyoulook you said :</p>
<p>&quot;The Minist&egrave;re de l&#039;&eacute;ducation provides per-pupil funding to public school boards AND to private schools.&quot;</p>
<p>Provides to some private schools, not all. And funding is not an issue here : whether a private school receives or not some money through the State (taken from the parent&#039;s pocket who pay twice since the &quot;generous&quot; subsidy covers at most 60% of tuition) , the course of Ethics and religious culture is imposed on all the children attending that school.</p>
<p>Such is the meaning of liberty in Quebec : the State must be able train all its future citizens (this is actually what the Minister of Education stated in their written closing arguments).</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135914</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Canada they are an endangered species.</description>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135913</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never met a Randian before.  They&#039;re elusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve never met a Randian before.  They&#039;re elusive.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135912</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the institution is private, then I completely object to the efforts of the Province.  Of course, in Canada, &quot;private&quot; is a misnomer.  It is my understanding that even private schools in Canada must have their curricula approved by the province.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the institution is private, then I completely object to the efforts of the Province.  Of course, in Canada, &quot;private&quot; is a misnomer.  It is my understanding that even private schools in Canada must have their curricula approved by the province.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135911</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one is to have freedom, and thus, right over his/her person and property, society must preclude violence against that person, as well as others.

Some have argued, I think including the Fountainhead of Libertarianism herself, Ms. Rand, that the restriction on force is not a limit on freedom because people in free society acknowledge that it is only without the use of force that free decisions are made.

I tend to think that the restriction on violence is, technically, a restriction on liberty, but a necessary one.  I do not think that property rights would simply be regarded naturally by all in an ungoverned society.  In the end, rights are obtained and defended with force.  The use of force is the domain of government, and the rules regarding this force is the subject of law.  This is what separates we Libertarians from Anarchists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one is to have freedom, and thus, right over his/her person and property, society must preclude violence against that person, as well as others.</p>
<p>Some have argued, I think including the Fountainhead of Libertarianism herself, Ms. Rand, that the restriction on force is not a limit on freedom because people in free society acknowledge that it is only without the use of force that free decisions are made.</p>
<p>I tend to think that the restriction on violence is, technically, a restriction on liberty, but a necessary one.  I do not think that property rights would simply be regarded naturally by all in an ungoverned society.  In the end, rights are obtained and defended with force.  The use of force is the domain of government, and the rules regarding this force is the subject of law.  This is what separates we Libertarians from Anarchists.</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135910</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It just seems to me rather arbitrary to define freedom in this limited way. &lt;/i&gt;

Well, buster, it&#039;s the freedom you&#039;re stuck with, so just accept it.  Oh, and enjoy your freedom.  Comes with the rule of law.  You no like?  Join Wells on the deli-tasting circuit in Mogadishu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It just seems to me rather arbitrary to define freedom in this limited way. </i></p>
<p>Well, buster, it&#039;s the freedom you&#039;re stuck with, so just accept it.  Oh, and enjoy your freedom.  Comes with the rule of law.  You no like?  Join Wells on the deli-tasting circuit in Mogadishu.</p>
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		<title>By: francoised</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135909</link>
		<dc:creator>francoised</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Justin, I agree wholeheartedly. I stand corrected.</description>
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		<title>By: francoised</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135908</link>
		<dc:creator>francoised</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Follow the link (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.loyola.ca).&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.loyola.ca).&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Follow the link (<a href="http://www.loyola.ca)." target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.loyola.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.loyola.ca</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135907</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catholicism died a quick death in Quebec during &lt;i&gt;la r&#233;volution tranquille&lt;/i&gt;.  Many would add &quot;and deservedly so,&quot; not without merit.  And there is a &quot;spiritual void&quot; left.  Parents must have the role of spiritual guidance counselors for their children, but I think we can agree that parents have shown a wee bit of reluctance as the anti-Catholic recoil continues.  And this watered-down lowest common denominator Religious Trivial Pursuit 101, as well-intentioned as most bureaucratic nonsense begins, runs the risk of exposing in young children the anything-goes philosophy of spiritual development.

And yet.

The &lt;i&gt;Minist&#232;re de l&#039;&#233;ducation&lt;/i&gt; provides per-pupil funding to public school boards AND to private schools.  There is actually quite a generous subsidy to the private education of children whose parents took that burden off the hands of the state.  It is thus not surprising that &lt;i&gt;l&#039;&#233;tat&lt;/i&gt; feels entitled to meddle in the affairs of these schools.  How I wish it would be in standardized evaluations of the three R&#039;s, but, whatever...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catholicism died a quick death in Quebec during <i>la r&eacute;volution tranquille</i>.  Many would add &quot;and deservedly so,&quot; not without merit.  And there is a &quot;spiritual void&quot; left.  Parents must have the role of spiritual guidance counselors for their children, but I think we can agree that parents have shown a wee bit of reluctance as the anti-Catholic recoil continues.  And this watered-down lowest common denominator Religious Trivial Pursuit 101, as well-intentioned as most bureaucratic nonsense begins, runs the risk of exposing in young children the anything-goes philosophy of spiritual development.</p>
<p>And yet.</p>
<p>The <i>Minist&egrave;re de l&#039;&eacute;ducation</i> provides per-pupil funding to public school boards AND to private schools.  There is actually quite a generous subsidy to the private education of children whose parents took that burden off the hands of the state.  It is thus not surprising that <i>l&#039;&eacute;tat</i> feels entitled to meddle in the affairs of these schools.  How I wish it would be in standardized evaluations of the three R&#039;s, but, whatever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is the old libertarian-vs.-limits debate, but you also don&#039;t have the freedom to go around thwacking people (interesting, Firefox spellcheck recognises &quot;thwacking&quot; but not &quot;spellcheck&quot;).  That is a liberty we lost: in the old days you could thwack whomever you liked, provided you were willing to take the non-State-sanctioned consequences.  It just seems to me rather arbitrary to define freedom in this limited way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is the old libertarian-vs.-limits debate, but you also don&#039;t have the freedom to go around thwacking people (interesting, Firefox spellcheck recognises &quot;thwacking&quot; but not &quot;spellcheck&quot;).  That is a liberty we lost: in the old days you could thwack whomever you liked, provided you were willing to take the non-State-sanctioned consequences.  It just seems to me rather arbitrary to define freedom in this limited way.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135905</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[&lt;i&gt;Laughing&lt;/i&gt;]</description>
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		<title>By: madeyoulook</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135904</link>
		<dc:creator>madeyoulook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon Justin.  Be fair.  Some church music is kinda ok...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#039;mon Justin.  Be fair.  Some church music is kinda ok&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135903</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can leave the country, there is just no guarantee that you can get into another.

Walking away from a contract that you voluntarily entered into, is not a matter of freedom or unfreedom.  If you don&#039;t want to pay your mortgage, the bank gets your house, those were the terms under which you borrowed the money.  You were not forced to agree to the terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can leave the country, there is just no guarantee that you can get into another.</p>
<p>Walking away from a contract that you voluntarily entered into, is not a matter of freedom or unfreedom.  If you don&#039;t want to pay your mortgage, the bank gets your house, those were the terms under which you borrowed the money.  You were not forced to agree to the terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135902</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you&#039;re free to leave the country whenever you please, just as you&#039;re free to walk away from your mortgage.  Technical freedom in both instances, but effectively you have no choice in either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you&#039;re free to leave the country whenever you please, just as you&#039;re free to walk away from your mortgage.  Technical freedom in both instances, but effectively you have no choice in either.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135901</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom is the absence of coercion.  If your mortgage and job were contracted &lt;i&gt;voluntarily&lt;/i&gt;, you are not enslaved to them.

I find these days that there is much too much romticisation of work.  People always think they need to &quot;find the right one for me&quot;.  It&#039;s work, and it&#039;s not supposed to be fun.  If work was fun, it wouldn&#039;t be called work... it would be called play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom is the absence of coercion.  If your mortgage and job were contracted <i>voluntarily</i>, you are not enslaved to them.</p>
<p>I find these days that there is much too much romticisation of work.  People always think they need to &quot;find the right one for me&quot;.  It&#039;s work, and it&#039;s not supposed to be fun.  If work was fun, it wouldn&#039;t be called work&#8230; it would be called play.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135900</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, all you&#039;re doing is defining freedom as freedom from government.  That is surely not the only definition of freedom.  Being chained to a 40-year mortgage and a job you hate is not quite slavery but it&#039;s not what I&#039;d call freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all you&#039;re doing is defining freedom as freedom from government.  That is surely not the only definition of freedom.  Being chained to a 40-year mortgage and a job you hate is not quite slavery but it&#039;s not what I&#039;d call freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135899</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this a topic I know something about or not?  I can&#039;t tell from your comment.  I know a little about Jesuits, having worked alongside them for a year.

The Jesuits have &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; been opposed to the Pope, amigo.  That&#039;s why they kept getting expelled from ultramontane monarchies in the 18th century.  Last I looked the Vatican was not the only institution in the Church; and in fact one of the attractions of Catholicism is its multiple different factions -- sorry, &quot;approaches to faith.&quot;

What I was saying about it being a shame about the Jesuits not attracting new priests was not specific to their order, however.  They are hardly in decline because people don&#039;t like their politics; if anything, their interest in modernity should have helped them.  Anyway, &quot;fortunately other religious orders have picked up the slack&quot; is one of your sadder mistakes.  As you know, there&#039;s a desperate shortage of priests on all counts, owing almost entirely to the Church&#039;s non-doctrinal (i.e. whimsical) insistence on celibacy.  It&#039;s just particularly sad, to me, in the case of the Jesuits because they were so vital to Quebec&#039;s intellectual life for so long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a topic I know something about or not?  I can&#039;t tell from your comment.  I know a little about Jesuits, having worked alongside them for a year.</p>
<p>The Jesuits have <i>always</i> been opposed to the Pope, amigo.  That&#039;s why they kept getting expelled from ultramontane monarchies in the 18th century.  Last I looked the Vatican was not the only institution in the Church; and in fact one of the attractions of Catholicism is its multiple different factions &#8212; sorry, &quot;approaches to faith.&quot;</p>
<p>What I was saying about it being a shame about the Jesuits not attracting new priests was not specific to their order, however.  They are hardly in decline because people don&#039;t like their politics; if anything, their interest in modernity should have helped them.  Anyway, &quot;fortunately other religious orders have picked up the slack&quot; is one of your sadder mistakes.  As you know, there&#039;s a desperate shortage of priests on all counts, owing almost entirely to the Church&#039;s non-doctrinal (i.e. whimsical) insistence on celibacy.  It&#039;s just particularly sad, to me, in the case of the Jesuits because they were so vital to Quebec&#039;s intellectual life for so long.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135898</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing about freedom that guarantees you a customer (or employer) for your product.</description>
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		<title>By: truemuse</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135897</link>
		<dc:creator>truemuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my kid came home from school in grade one asking, &quot;Are we Jewish mummy?&quot;  I figured out how well public schools teach religion.  I think that religion should be taught -- learn the Catholic literature, etc.  Then an optional &#039;Other Religions&#039; course -- Learn the Jewish literature, learn the Hindu literature.  If a school has a religious focus, then it should be understood that all the other subjects, science, humanities, civic studies, even math --are going to pass through a critical filter of Catholism (in this case).  That&#039;s the deal!  That&#039;s our Freedom in Canada.  I hope they win this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my kid came home from school in grade one asking, &quot;Are we Jewish mummy?&quot;  I figured out how well public schools teach religion.  I think that religion should be taught &#8212; learn the Catholic literature, etc.  Then an optional &#039;Other Religions&#039; course &#8212; Learn the Jewish literature, learn the Hindu literature.  If a school has a religious focus, then it should be understood that all the other subjects, science, humanities, civic studies, even math &#8211;are going to pass through a critical filter of Catholism (in this case).  That&#039;s the deal!  That&#039;s our Freedom in Canada.  I hope they win this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135869</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not in favour of the State having a policy on spirituality any more than you are, I just think it&#039;s a bit rich to complain about it from a specifically Christian perspective. As you note, the Church has always described itself as &#954;&#945;&#952;&#959;&#955;&#953;&#954;ή, so what&#039;s the motive for complaint? Jealousy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not in favour of the State having a policy on spirituality any more than you are, I just think it&#39;s a bit rich to complain about it from a specifically Christian perspective. As you note, the Church has always described itself as &kappa;&alpha;&theta;&omicron;&lambda;&iota;&kappa;ή, so what&#39;s the motive for complaint? Jealousy?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135896</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But they can control whether you keep your job.  Balances out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But they can control whether you keep your job.  Balances out.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135895</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easily circumvented.  The Province of Quebec will simply assign children to the sorts of parents it likes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easily circumvented.  The Province of Quebec will simply assign children to the sorts of parents it likes.</p>
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		<title>By: scf</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135894</link>
		<dc:creator>scf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socialist Quebec takes one more step in the wrong direction.  But it&#039;s not surprising that people who believe they can tell you what you put on your signs, also believe they can tell you what your kids learn in school, whether you like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialist Quebec takes one more step in the wrong direction.  But it&#039;s not surprising that people who believe they can tell you what you put on your signs, also believe they can tell you what your kids learn in school, whether you like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Crit_Reasoning</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135893</link>
		<dc:creator>Crit_Reasoning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These days, newly ordained Canadian priests (very scarce indeed) tend to become Basilians if they are interested in teaching.  An old friend (we went to the same Catholic high school) was recently ordained in the Basilian order, and he has taught for years at St. Mike&#039;s in T.O..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These days, newly ordained Canadian priests (very scarce indeed) tend to become Basilians if they are interested in teaching.  An old friend (we went to the same Catholic high school) was recently ordained in the Basilian order, and he has taught for years at St. Mike&#039;s in T.O..</p>
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		<title>By: JustinWordswrth</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135892</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinWordswrth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you can.  But you might get put in a mental institution.

And while on the subject, I think the only thing differentiating a mental institution from a church is better music.

Now we&#039;re back to the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you can.  But you might get put in a mental institution.</p>
<p>And while on the subject, I think the only thing differentiating a mental institution from a church is better music.</p>
<p>Now we&#039;re back to the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: jarrid</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/25/school-fights-to-promote-jesuit-values/comment-page-1/#comment-135891</link>
		<dc:creator>jarrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack you&#039;re much better when you&#039;re on a topic you actually know something about.

 The Jesuits, like many religious orders of the time, started running amok in the aftermath of the Vatican II reforms and have barely recovered.  Their disloyalty to the Church magisterium and the Pope and their crude adoption of cheap left-wing politics through their following of loony &quot;liberation theology&quot; weakened them to no end.  Fortunately other relgious orders have picked up the slack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack you&#039;re much better when you&#039;re on a topic you actually know something about.</p>
<p> The Jesuits, like many religious orders of the time, started running amok in the aftermath of the Vatican II reforms and have barely recovered.  Their disloyalty to the Church magisterium and the Pope and their crude adoption of cheap left-wing politics through their following of loony &quot;liberation theology&quot; weakened them to no end.  Fortunately other relgious orders have picked up the slack.</p>
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