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	<title>Comments on: It’s time to tear down 24 Sussex</title>
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		<title>By: wontchangeathing</title>
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		<dc:creator>wontchangeathing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT KIND OF NORMAL HOUSEHOLD HAS FIRE SPRINKLERS?!?!
None that I know of. And really, this is what Canada is concerned about? No one is concerned about the fact that many people in Canada go WITHOUT a house ?!?! It kills me that some Canadians are more worried about the fact that the person who makes all the calls in this country ( a lot of which we don&#039;t agree with) does not have a state of the art home like MOST Canadians don&#039;t?! Come on people, get off your high horses and start thinking about the people who could actually use $10 million in this country to buy food because the economy is so terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT KIND OF NORMAL HOUSEHOLD HAS FIRE SPRINKLERS?!?!<br />
None that I know of. And really, this is what Canada is concerned about? No one is concerned about the fact that many people in Canada go WITHOUT a house ?!?! It kills me that some Canadians are more worried about the fact that the person who makes all the calls in this country ( a lot of which we don&#039;t agree with) does not have a state of the art home like MOST Canadians don&#039;t?! Come on people, get off your high horses and start thinking about the people who could actually use $10 million in this country to buy food because the economy is so terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow thos os the most retarded Ive ever heard wow Paul biggest idiot ever if the walls were lined with asbestos they would have had to be out of their long time!! and big deal its the heating system-buy a new one! and once again rip up the blood carpet and put a new one down like wow then at the end-``well ive never actually set foot in the house&#039;&#039;-Retard(Aka Paul Wells)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow thos os the most retarded Ive ever heard wow Paul biggest idiot ever if the walls were lined with asbestos they would have had to be out of their long time!! and big deal its the heating system-buy a new one! and once again rip up the blood carpet and put a new one down like wow then at the end-&#8220;well ive never actually set foot in the house&#039;&#039;-Retard(Aka Paul Wells)</p>
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		<title>By: joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wells has it right but my question is, &quot;why can&#039;t some wealthy donor provide $$$$$ for a new home&quot;? If we have donors available, the taxpayers should not be on the hook.  It is time for us to place pride in our Prime Minister&#039;s residence and the longer we wait, the more expensive the building will become.  We are not wasting any historical building. Perhaps leave it alone &amp; build elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wells has it right but my question is, &quot;why can&#039;t some wealthy donor provide $$$$$ for a new home&quot;? If we have donors available, the taxpayers should not be on the hook.  It is time for us to place pride in our Prime Minister&#039;s residence and the longer we wait, the more expensive the building will become.  We are not wasting any historical building. Perhaps leave it alone &amp; build elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devin C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While debating renovation versus demolition, isn&#039;t there always the third option of moving the residence elsewhere?  I admit a lot of the prime real estate in Ottawa is already spoken for, but NCC parks and green space are federal land...

Without getting bogged down deciding where the residence should be, I think there&#039;s a distinction that needs to be made between the tradition of the Prime Minister living at 24 Sussex and the heritage associated with the residence.  Sure, the building has a history dating back to the mercantile class of early Ottawa.  But there&#039;s no connection between the building&#039;s heritage and a prime ministerial tradition until a little over a half century ago.  Does this constitute a Canadian tradition?

In a country now 142 years old, I suspect creating a new home that embraces Canadian vision and talent, designed specifically for a Prime Minster with various considerations already taken into account, would be looked back upon as a defining moment in history.

As time passes and future Canadians walk by 24 Sussex, a small plaque would remind them of how very brief a mere 58 years is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While debating renovation versus demolition, isn&#039;t there always the third option of moving the residence elsewhere?  I admit a lot of the prime real estate in Ottawa is already spoken for, but NCC parks and green space are federal land&#8230;</p>
<p>Without getting bogged down deciding where the residence should be, I think there&#039;s a distinction that needs to be made between the tradition of the Prime Minister living at 24 Sussex and the heritage associated with the residence.  Sure, the building has a history dating back to the mercantile class of early Ottawa.  But there&#039;s no connection between the building&#039;s heritage and a prime ministerial tradition until a little over a half century ago.  Does this constitute a Canadian tradition?</p>
<p>In a country now 142 years old, I suspect creating a new home that embraces Canadian vision and talent, designed specifically for a Prime Minster with various considerations already taken into account, would be looked back upon as a defining moment in history.</p>
<p>As time passes and future Canadians walk by 24 Sussex, a small plaque would remind them of how very brief a mere 58 years is.</p>
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		<title>By: Meany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehehe it never ceases to amaze me how Canadians are so cheap on some things.

&quot;12 million for a PM&#039;s rez? Outrageous! Put him and the family in a motel 6! If that&#039;s not good enough, he can bugger off&quot;
- typical Canadian voter.

There&#039;s a very good reason the damned building is falling down (see above quote). No opposition leader would be able to resist calling the PM of the day out for building a &quot;Taj Mahal&quot; for himself (even if all he&#039;s trying to do is fix the window that&#039;s been broken for the last 5 years), while Canadians are getting layed off by the thousand. Cheap, dirty, and oh SO effective politics.

Unfortunately, this nation of misers will build the PM a new house once the current one literally collapses. Until then, let&#039;s hope all our Prime Ministers are good with duct tape, and more importantly, let&#039;s hope all foreign dignitaries are hosted over at the GG&#039;s pad, and not the PM&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehehe it never ceases to amaze me how Canadians are so cheap on some things.</p>
<p>&quot;12 million for a PM&#039;s rez? Outrageous! Put him and the family in a motel 6! If that&#039;s not good enough, he can bugger off&quot;<br />
- typical Canadian voter.</p>
<p>There&#039;s a very good reason the damned building is falling down (see above quote). No opposition leader would be able to resist calling the PM of the day out for building a &quot;Taj Mahal&quot; for himself (even if all he&#039;s trying to do is fix the window that&#039;s been broken for the last 5 years), while Canadians are getting layed off by the thousand. Cheap, dirty, and oh SO effective politics.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this nation of misers will build the PM a new house once the current one literally collapses. Until then, let&#039;s hope all our Prime Ministers are good with duct tape, and more importantly, let&#039;s hope all foreign dignitaries are hosted over at the GG&#039;s pad, and not the PM&#039;s.</p>
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		<title>By: TheGunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheGunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually prefer to believe that we don&#039;t gotta hand anything to Harper -- he seems to be pretty good at helping himself to whatever he wants.
Here&#039;s my plan: Rideau Hall is a pretty spacious shack; why not allocate a couple of the brs there to Prime Ministerial use. There might have been a side-benefit last December, because Michaele would probably been so annoyed by then by Harper&#039;s insistence that everything had to go his way that she might well have told him to piss off over the prorogation thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually prefer to believe that we don&#039;t gotta hand anything to Harper &#8212; he seems to be pretty good at helping himself to whatever he wants.<br />
Here&#039;s my plan: Rideau Hall is a pretty spacious shack; why not allocate a couple of the brs there to Prime Ministerial use. There might have been a side-benefit last December, because Michaele would probably been so annoyed by then by Harper&#039;s insistence that everything had to go his way that she might well have told him to piss off over the prorogation thing.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilCP</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilCP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the best of both ideas?

Find a suitable location (other than 24 Sussex), knock down whatever is there and build something fabulous, something worthy, something that meets all the needs.  Set your budget at $1.00 per Canadian, I&#039;ll send my portion today.

Then when its done whoever replaced Ignatieff / Harper can move in and 24 Sussex can be fixed up a bit and turned into a museum or something similar:  a monument of sorts to the Prime Ministers of Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the best of both ideas?</p>
<p>Find a suitable location (other than 24 Sussex), knock down whatever is there and build something fabulous, something worthy, something that meets all the needs.  Set your budget at $1.00 per Canadian, I&#039;ll send my portion today.</p>
<p>Then when its done whoever replaced Ignatieff / Harper can move in and 24 Sussex can be fixed up a bit and turned into a museum or something similar:  a monument of sorts to the Prime Ministers of Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: CourtGQuinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>CourtGQuinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many people would  upgrading of 24 Sussex employ? Perhaps a few dozen trades-people at any given time. Put a few thousand to work building a bigger project that allows for government as a whole to become more efficient. The individual MP costs for scattered housing and the drivers to move from all around Ottawa to the Hill is not a small government expenditure. As it stands today...do the children of Liberal/Conservative/Bloc/NDP MP&#039;s know each other? Imagine housing government members in one structure under family floor lines rather then government partisan lines. Give MP&#039;s with big families bigger units inside such a building. Singles could live on certain floors and families on others. Have a common area for the building members and the public at large that is great and inspiring and open. The tone inside the House of Commons would change instantly under such a project. Aside from this new &quot;MP Place&quot; concept, perhaps the MP&#039;s should have a common camp area for summer and common chalet area for winter. So the ability to get fresh air from Ottawa working/living conditions are there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people would  upgrading of 24 Sussex employ? Perhaps a few dozen trades-people at any given time. Put a few thousand to work building a bigger project that allows for government as a whole to become more efficient. The individual MP costs for scattered housing and the drivers to move from all around Ottawa to the Hill is not a small government expenditure. As it stands today&#8230;do the children of Liberal/Conservative/Bloc/NDP MP&#039;s know each other? Imagine housing government members in one structure under family floor lines rather then government partisan lines. Give MP&#039;s with big families bigger units inside such a building. Singles could live on certain floors and families on others. Have a common area for the building members and the public at large that is great and inspiring and open. The tone inside the House of Commons would change instantly under such a project. Aside from this new &quot;MP Place&quot; concept, perhaps the MP&#039;s should have a common camp area for summer and common chalet area for winter. So the ability to get fresh air from Ottawa working/living conditions are there.</p>
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		<title>By: CourtGQuinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>CourtGQuinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago while living in Ottawa and walking around Parliment Hill... i thought that the parking lot below the Supreme Court and House of Commons should be used for other means. Why not build a 500 unit apartment building there to house  MP&#039;s and senators? Rather then giving allowances for living/housing expenses and having members live throughout the region, the government should build one centralized structure close to where they work. Build something worthy of awe, yet doesn&#039;t overtower the supreme court and parliment buildings.  Perhaps MP&#039;s would respect and listen to each others opinions more if they not only worked together, but lived together also. Give the PM the penthouse suite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago while living in Ottawa and walking around Parliment Hill&#8230; i thought that the parking lot below the Supreme Court and House of Commons should be used for other means. Why not build a 500 unit apartment building there to house  MP&#039;s and senators? Rather then giving allowances for living/housing expenses and having members live throughout the region, the government should build one centralized structure close to where they work. Build something worthy of awe, yet doesn&#039;t overtower the supreme court and parliment buildings.  Perhaps MP&#039;s would respect and listen to each others opinions more if they not only worked together, but lived together also. Give the PM the penthouse suite.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilCP</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilCP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that you are not suggesting that the credibility of posts to this site (or contributions to public discourse in general) should be discounted if the authour happens to have some credentials.  OTOH I would agree if you are concerned that sometimes people expect automatic recognition just because of the trailing letters.

I expect that the person that you get your medical advice from has some letters after his or her name, and you would not have it any other way.

Just to clarify, I would guess that you have at least 2 letters after your name, but you just don&#039;t use them as often as Lloyd does.

My bottom line is that knowledgeable experts do have a place in the world;  they should not be discounted or ignored out of hand, nor should they be believed without question or reflection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that you are not suggesting that the credibility of posts to this site (or contributions to public discourse in general) should be discounted if the authour happens to have some credentials.  OTOH I would agree if you are concerned that sometimes people expect automatic recognition just because of the trailing letters.</p>
<p>I expect that the person that you get your medical advice from has some letters after his or her name, and you would not have it any other way.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, I would guess that you have at least 2 letters after your name, but you just don&#039;t use them as often as Lloyd does.</p>
<p>My bottom line is that knowledgeable experts do have a place in the world;  they should not be discounted or ignored out of hand, nor should they be believed without question or reflection.</p>
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		<title>By: John W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Needless to say, I had to look up the reference. Some of us outside the Q are not very well educated or well read.
But now that I understand it, your metaphor nicely reflects my preconceived notions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Needless to say, I had to look up the reference. Some of us outside the Q are not very well educated or well read.<br />
But now that I understand it, your metaphor nicely reflects my preconceived notions.</p>
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		<title>By: John W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote beltway the first time.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stodginess has actually served us quite well over the years. Perhaps having our Prime Ministers live in a stodgy home will keep them from engaging in the non-stodgy behaviour of the George W. Bushes, Caezar Chavez and Silio Berlusconis of the world.  Entertaining as they may be from a distance, it may be better for us to continue our tradition of slightly stodgy politicians leading a slightly stodgy country in a moderately stodgy manner.  That, so far, has led us to levels of relative peace and prosperity that seem to remain the envy of most of the world.

As in most things, so it should probably be with official residences. If it is not necessary to change them, it is necesary that they not be changed (with apologies to Viscount Falkland).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stodginess has actually served us quite well over the years. Perhaps having our Prime Ministers live in a stodgy home will keep them from engaging in the non-stodgy behaviour of the George W. Bushes, Caezar Chavez and Silio Berlusconis of the world.  Entertaining as they may be from a distance, it may be better for us to continue our tradition of slightly stodgy politicians leading a slightly stodgy country in a moderately stodgy manner.  That, so far, has led us to levels of relative peace and prosperity that seem to remain the envy of most of the world.</p>
<p>As in most things, so it should probably be with official residences. If it is not necessary to change them, it is necesary that they not be changed (with apologies to Viscount Falkland).</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada&#039;s &quot;First Family&quot;? Even putting aside the adoption of an odious republican Americanism, It&#039;s the family of a prime minister you&#039;re talking about, not any head of state. And, as such, the incumbent doesn&#039;t warrant the use of a palace. Fix up 24 Sussex and be done with it; there&#039;s no use disguising republicanism behind an architectural facade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada&#039;s &quot;First Family&quot;? Even putting aside the adoption of an odious republican Americanism, It&#039;s the family of a prime minister you&#039;re talking about, not any head of state. And, as such, the incumbent doesn&#039;t warrant the use of a palace. Fix up 24 Sussex and be done with it; there&#039;s no use disguising republicanism behind an architectural facade.</p>
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		<title>By: Rubiks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rubiks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha. I doubt it.

Considering:

a) This is not a legitimate call for proposals. Anything submitted would have no chance of being actualized, but some chance at getting published. He might get some students.

b) Wells just childishly insulted architects everywhere (Doo-Wah Diddy Diddy Down Diddy Do)

c) Architects actually like buildings, believe it or not, especially if they are nationally significant, 141 year old limestone beauties.

d) Anyone who claims to be able to design and build a revolutionary, &#039;green&#039;, national landmark for under 12 million dollars is definitely not a &#039;major&#039; architect of any sort and is probably lying about the cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha. I doubt it.</p>
<p>Considering:</p>
<p>a) This is not a legitimate call for proposals. Anything submitted would have no chance of being actualized, but some chance at getting published. He might get some students.</p>
<p>b) Wells just childishly insulted architects everywhere (Doo-Wah Diddy Diddy Down Diddy Do)</p>
<p>c) Architects actually like buildings, believe it or not, especially if they are nationally significant, 141 year old limestone beauties.</p>
<p>d) Anyone who claims to be able to design and build a revolutionary, &#039;green&#039;, national landmark for under 12 million dollars is definitely not a &#039;major&#039; architect of any sort and is probably lying about the cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Inkless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inkless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like spending time outside a Mobius strip. Come to think of it, it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;eerily&lt;/i&gt; like spending time outside a Mobius strip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s like spending time outside a Mobius strip. Come to think of it, it&#039;s <i>eerily</i> like spending time outside a Mobius strip.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Paul, have you received any bites yet?  Any major architects indicating they are making an effort to put something together for you?</description>
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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d swear the Queensway was a loop highway or something -- thanks a lot Kady!</description>
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		<title>By: Scott M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re paying the money anyway to renovate... I think that&#039;s his point.</description>
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		<title>By: SeanStok</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanStok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advocacy for architectural preservation seems to routinely involve spending other people&#039;s money to satisfy the nostalgic itch of a fervent few.</description>
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		<title>By: SeanStok</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanStok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advocacy for archtectural preservation seems to routinely involve spending other people&#039;s money to satisfy the nostalgic itch of a fervent few.</description>
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		<title>By: bernie37</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernie37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll agree if Paul Wells pays for it.</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line seems to me that it is just a very dull house -- dull today, dull in 1868, and dull for the intervening 141 years.  There are a dozen houses in Rockcliffe which are cooler.  Needless to say I&#039;ve never been inside, but if the interior makes the &lt;a href=&quot;http:\/\/davidakin.blogware.com\/_photos\/PICT0059.JPG&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exterior&lt;/a&gt; look exciting, it&#039;s an aesthetic write-off.

Maybe there&#039;s a conservation argument for not demolishing it, but the appeal to tradition fails (Laurier House is much more historic, IMHO) so even if the &lt;i&gt;building&lt;/i&gt; is &quot;a part of our heritage,&quot; &lt;i&gt;the Prime Minister living in it&lt;/i&gt; is not.  The status quo argument comes down to saying that having the PM live in a dull, shoddy old building is essential to Canadian identity; a variation on the grand theme of no change, ever, &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt;, please, &lt;i&gt;please&lt;/i&gt;.  Given that school of thought, it seems to me that a new, contemporary house for the PM would not only be cheap, practical, and rather uplifting, it is actually an essential first step on the new Canadian Anti-Stodginess Campaign.  En avant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line seems to me that it is just a very dull house &#8212; dull today, dull in 1868, and dull for the intervening 141 years.  There are a dozen houses in Rockcliffe which are cooler.  Needless to say I&#039;ve never been inside, but if the interior makes the <a href="http:\/\/davidakin.blogware.com\/_photos\/PICT0059.JPG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">exterior</a> look exciting, it&#039;s an aesthetic write-off.</p>
<p>Maybe there&#039;s a conservation argument for not demolishing it, but the appeal to tradition fails (Laurier House is much more historic, IMHO) so even if the <i>building</i> is &quot;a part of our heritage,&quot; <i>the Prime Minister living in it</i> is not.  The status quo argument comes down to saying that having the PM live in a dull, shoddy old building is essential to Canadian identity; a variation on the grand theme of no change, ever, <i>ever</i>, please, <i>please</i>.  Given that school of thought, it seems to me that a new, contemporary house for the PM would not only be cheap, practical, and rather uplifting, it is actually an essential first step on the new Canadian Anti-Stodginess Campaign.  En avant!</p>
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		<title>By: Inkless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inkless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They went away?

To be clear: Mr. Alter, B. Arch, OAA, TSA, Pres., ACO (Singin&#039; Doo-Wah Diddy Diddy Down Diddy Do) argues his side well, and obviously I knew a lot of people would feel as he does. I&#039;m certain that two of them are Stephen Harper, who would live in a pine box if it would burnish his populist street cred, and Michael Ignatieff, who is all about fitting in instead of surprising anyone. So Mr. Alter, BAOAATSAPACO (Singin&#039; DWDDDDD) is &lt;i&gt;certain&lt;/i&gt; to win this one.

But I&#039;m not gonna get all flustered just because a guy who advocates for architectural conservancy wants some architecture conserved. I think a lot of people would be a bit surprised to learn you can&#039;t build an interesting building for $12 million. I know a lot of rich people in Ottawa, and not a one of them lives in a $12 million house.

I think a house whose only tenants hate to live in it &lt;i&gt;has failed.&lt;/i&gt; I reject the argument that failure should be a protected part of Canada&#039;s heritage, although I recognize that it very often is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They went away?</p>
<p>To be clear: Mr. Alter, B. Arch, OAA, TSA, Pres., ACO (Singin&#039; Doo-Wah Diddy Diddy Down Diddy Do) argues his side well, and obviously I knew a lot of people would feel as he does. I&#039;m certain that two of them are Stephen Harper, who would live in a pine box if it would burnish his populist street cred, and Michael Ignatieff, who is all about fitting in instead of surprising anyone. So Mr. Alter, BAOAATSAPACO (Singin&#039; DWDDDDD) is <i>certain</i> to win this one.</p>
<p>But I&#039;m not gonna get all flustered just because a guy who advocates for architectural conservancy wants some architecture conserved. I think a lot of people would be a bit surprised to learn you can&#039;t build an interesting building for $12 million. I know a lot of rich people in Ottawa, and not a one of them lives in a $12 million house.</p>
<p>I think a house whose only tenants hate to live in it <i>has failed.</i> I reject the argument that failure should be a protected part of Canada&#039;s heritage, although I recognize that it very often is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad suggestion, Jack. Still, I&#039;m not against building something new.</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great point about not needing to demolish 24 Sussex just because you want the land.  If we&#039;re willing to pony up for $12 million, surely we could scrounge up some land downtown.

What about Laurier House?  That&#039;s a beautiful building, it&#039;s all the PM really needs (cf. Laurier, King), it&#039;s likewise very close to the Hill, and it&#039;s got tradition up the wazoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s a great point about not needing to demolish 24 Sussex just because you want the land.  If we&#039;re willing to pony up for $12 million, surely we could scrounge up some land downtown.</p>
<p>What about Laurier House?  That&#039;s a beautiful building, it&#039;s all the PM really needs (cf. Laurier, King), it&#039;s likewise very close to the Hill, and it&#039;s got tradition up the wazoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we have to destroy 24 Sussex to make something new ? Why can&#039;t we simply build something new ? I have no doubt that a private company would buy 24 Sussex and fix it, finding a new use for it. How about making it into a hotel, how cool would that be ? You could sleep in the Prime Ministerial bed.

President Mitterrand wanted to leave his mark on France for generations to come. So he commissioned and built &#039;la Pyramide du Louvre&#039;. Not everybody liked it at first, but it has grown on people. It is a huge modernist contrast to the historical buildings around it, but it works. The architect had a vision that he carried though on - quite a beautiful one, I think.

So what do we do ? In the most transparently derivative way possible, we attach a sideways pyramid to the ROM - only we don&#039;t even get that right, because, instead of being a pure steel and glass structure like La Pyramide, totally transparent, radiating light at night, this structure is mainly opaque, and seems to be a copy of work done by the architect (Libeskind) for Denver&#039;s art gallery. It looks like the pyramid caps attached to Master Pain a.k.a. Betty in Kung Pow ! Enter the Fist and is just as ridiculous. And in no way original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we have to destroy 24 Sussex to make something new ? Why can&#039;t we simply build something new ? I have no doubt that a private company would buy 24 Sussex and fix it, finding a new use for it. How about making it into a hotel, how cool would that be ? You could sleep in the Prime Ministerial bed.</p>
<p>President Mitterrand wanted to leave his mark on France for generations to come. So he commissioned and built &#039;la Pyramide du Louvre&#039;. Not everybody liked it at first, but it has grown on people. It is a huge modernist contrast to the historical buildings around it, but it works. The architect had a vision that he carried though on &#8211; quite a beautiful one, I think.</p>
<p>So what do we do ? In the most transparently derivative way possible, we attach a sideways pyramid to the ROM &#8211; only we don&#039;t even get that right, because, instead of being a pure steel and glass structure like La Pyramide, totally transparent, radiating light at night, this structure is mainly opaque, and seems to be a copy of work done by the architect (Libeskind) for Denver&#039;s art gallery. It looks like the pyramid caps attached to Master Pain a.k.a. Betty in Kung Pow ! Enter the Fist and is just as ridiculous. And in no way original.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your principles, Mulletaur; I just don&#039;t know if they&#039;re applicable to this particular situation.  The British certainly celebrate they stately architectural heritage (though should we really applaud if they also celebrate the ghastly parts of it?); but they have a lot of stately architectural heritage to celebrate, both in the grand style and in the comfortable old Oxfordshire village style.  We have some good architectural heritage and let&#039;s preserve that; but where&#039;s the sense in preserving the bad parts?  The fact is, if the landed gentry in Britain hadn&#039;t gone about tearing down their Tudor manor houses and replacing them with Georgian versions, we wouldn&#039;t have any of those Jane Austen-esque backdrops we all know and love -- and 18th C architects would have starved to death.  The 18th C was a fantastic time for architecture; the 1860&#039;s were not; nowadays we&#039;re in another good time for architecture.  Why not take advantage, like the 18th C aristocracy did?

The ROM is a good case of architectural disaster, IMHO.  Basically the ROM went out and tried to sex itself up; and, as often, it only managed to tart itself up.  Architects, like all artists, need a firm hand; if the patron doesn&#039;t know what he wants, how can the artist guess?  A lack of clear function makes for a lack of nice building.  In this case, if we told the applicant architects, &quot;Give us something the PM can live in, can play host in; that allows for tight security; that would look good on a postcard; and that&#039;s original without being wacky,&quot; then the architects can deliver.  The ROM didn&#039;t do that, seemingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your principles, Mulletaur; I just don&#039;t know if they&#039;re applicable to this particular situation.  The British certainly celebrate they stately architectural heritage (though should we really applaud if they also celebrate the ghastly parts of it?); but they have a lot of stately architectural heritage to celebrate, both in the grand style and in the comfortable old Oxfordshire village style.  We have some good architectural heritage and let&#039;s preserve that; but where&#039;s the sense in preserving the bad parts?  The fact is, if the landed gentry in Britain hadn&#039;t gone about tearing down their Tudor manor houses and replacing them with Georgian versions, we wouldn&#039;t have any of those Jane Austen-esque backdrops we all know and love &#8212; and 18th C architects would have starved to death.  The 18th C was a fantastic time for architecture; the 1860&#039;s were not; nowadays we&#039;re in another good time for architecture.  Why not take advantage, like the 18th C aristocracy did?</p>
<p>The ROM is a good case of architectural disaster, IMHO.  Basically the ROM went out and tried to sex itself up; and, as often, it only managed to tart itself up.  Architects, like all artists, need a firm hand; if the patron doesn&#039;t know what he wants, how can the artist guess?  A lack of clear function makes for a lack of nice building.  In this case, if we told the applicant architects, &quot;Give us something the PM can live in, can play host in; that allows for tight security; that would look good on a postcard; and that&#039;s original without being wacky,&quot; then the architects can deliver.  The ROM didn&#039;t do that, seemingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re in favour of bringing back knighthoods?</description>
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		<title>By: Inkless</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/26/it%e2%80%99s-time-to-tear-down-24-sussex/comment-page-1/#comment-136279</link>
		<dc:creator>Inkless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...they don&#039;t come up to some colonial mentality imposed standard for what is valuable... Do you think the British vandalize their own culture just because they don&#039;t fit with current ideas ? Not on your nelly....We need to stop imposing the cultural standards of our former colonial powers... on ourselves. We need to start thinking for ourselves for once.&quot;

I agree with parts of this. I tried agreeing with all of it but my head started to hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;&#8230;they don&#039;t come up to some colonial mentality imposed standard for what is valuable&#8230; Do you think the British vandalize their own culture just because they don&#039;t fit with current ideas ? Not on your nelly&#8230;.We need to stop imposing the cultural standards of our former colonial powers&#8230; on ourselves. We need to start thinking for ourselves for once.&quot;</p>
<p>I agree with parts of this. I tried agreeing with all of it but my head started to hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Inkless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inkless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; it when people with lots of letters after their names write in.</description>
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		<title>By: John W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw this column, I thought, Wells you need to spend more time outside of the Queensway.</description>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/26/it%e2%80%99s-time-to-tear-down-24-sussex/comment-page-1/#comment-136276</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, PO. We can move Harper out of 24 Sussex, renovate it, and charge admission to tourists for entry. Harper can pay for his own digs. Actually, his Party is rich, they can pay for his house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, PO. We can move Harper out of 24 Sussex, renovate it, and charge admission to tourists for entry. Harper can pay for his own digs. Actually, his Party is rich, they can pay for his house.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now THAT&#039;S what I&#039;m talkin&#039; about. Sign me up, Lloyd !</description>
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		<title>By: Mulletaur</title>
		<link>http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/26/it%e2%80%99s-time-to-tear-down-24-sussex/comment-page-1/#comment-136274</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulletaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;What constitutes heritage? Unique architecture, representation of a time or era? Age? Symbolism? History?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Answer : yes.

What really makes me angry is the number of buildings connected to our history as a nation (this mainly means political history, but is not confined to it) which have been ripped down because they don&#039;t come up to some colonial mentality imposed standard for what is valuable. Mainly ripped down because they don&#039;t meet some foreign imposed standard of what is a &#039;pure&#039; architectural style. Or because its history is confused or messy or inconvenient because it&#039;s no longer politically correct.

Do you think the British vandalize their own culture just because they don&#039;t fit with current ideas ? Not on your nelly. They celebrate good and bad as &lt;i&gt;British&lt;/i&gt; warts, bad parts and all. Wells wants to rip down 24 Sussex because it doesn&#039;t meet some bizarre standard of &#039;heritage&#039; - seemingly because the building was not built all at once. This is wrong, wrong, wrong.

In the meantime, we take a perfectly beautiful heritage building, the ROM, and build on an abortion of an addition which is not only ugly and not fitting with the style of the building as it was built and added onto, but wasn&#039;t even built to the original much more attractive design which was intended. If you want to do something original and daring, you should actually try to develop some taste first.

We need to stop imposing the cultural standards of our former colonial powers (United Kingdom, France, United States, etc.) on ourselves. We need to start thinking for ourselves for once. Actually, &lt;i&gt;we need to start thinking&lt;/i&gt; for once. It would make a pleasant change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;What constitutes heritage? Unique architecture, representation of a time or era? Age? Symbolism? History?&quot;</i></p>
<p>Answer : yes.</p>
<p>What really makes me angry is the number of buildings connected to our history as a nation (this mainly means political history, but is not confined to it) which have been ripped down because they don&#039;t come up to some colonial mentality imposed standard for what is valuable. Mainly ripped down because they don&#039;t meet some foreign imposed standard of what is a &#039;pure&#039; architectural style. Or because its history is confused or messy or inconvenient because it&#039;s no longer politically correct.</p>
<p>Do you think the British vandalize their own culture just because they don&#039;t fit with current ideas ? Not on your nelly. They celebrate good and bad as <i>British</i> warts, bad parts and all. Wells wants to rip down 24 Sussex because it doesn&#039;t meet some bizarre standard of &#039;heritage&#039; &#8211; seemingly because the building was not built all at once. This is wrong, wrong, wrong.</p>
<p>In the meantime, we take a perfectly beautiful heritage building, the ROM, and build on an abortion of an addition which is not only ugly and not fitting with the style of the building as it was built and added onto, but wasn&#039;t even built to the original much more attractive design which was intended. If you want to do something original and daring, you should actually try to develop some taste first.</p>
<p>We need to stop imposing the cultural standards of our former colonial powers (United Kingdom, France, United States, etc.) on ourselves. We need to start thinking for ourselves for once. Actually, <i>we need to start thinking</i> for once. It would make a pleasant change.</p>
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		<title>By: SisyphusThis</title>
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		<dc:creator>SisyphusThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the British could invade and burn it down ?</description>
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		<title>By: Torybaiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torybaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take it down.</description>
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		<title>By: hollinm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hollinm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad the affairs of state are in such fine shape that Mr. Wells deems it important to comment on the state of repair of 24 Sussex. There probably has been a analysis of whether it is better to repair rather than replace with the former winning the day. Why not move the PM into Harrington Lake. I have no idea how close it is to Ottawa but the PM seems to manage staying there all summer. Winter could be quite charming there I am sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad the affairs of state are in such fine shape that Mr. Wells deems it important to comment on the state of repair of 24 Sussex. There probably has been a analysis of whether it is better to repair rather than replace with the former winning the day. Why not move the PM into Harrington Lake. I have no idea how close it is to Ottawa but the PM seems to manage staying there all summer. Winter could be quite charming there I am sure.</p>
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		<title>By: hollinm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hollinm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad the affairs of state are in such fine shape that Mr. Wells deems it important to comment on the state of repair of 24 Sussex. There probably has been a analysis of whether it is better to repair rather than replace with the former winning the day. Why not move the PM into Harrington Lake. I have no idea how close it is to Ottawa but the PM seems to manage staying there all summer. Winters could be quite charming there I am sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad the affairs of state are in such fine shape that Mr. Wells deems it important to comment on the state of repair of 24 Sussex. There probably has been a analysis of whether it is better to repair rather than replace with the former winning the day. Why not move the PM into Harrington Lake. I have no idea how close it is to Ottawa but the PM seems to manage staying there all summer. Winters could be quite charming there I am sure.</p>
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		<title>By: bettie</title>
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		<dc:creator>bettie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure love the old stone houses that people, often city-folk or even foreigners, rejeuvenate in the French country-side.  These stone structures are hundreds of years older than 24 Sussex Dr., and they are often magnificantly redone.  I realize, however, that chateaux are being abandonned by century-old families because the up-keep becomes impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure love the old stone houses that people, often city-folk or even foreigners, rejeuvenate in the French country-side.  These stone structures are hundreds of years older than 24 Sussex Dr., and they are often magnificantly redone.  I realize, however, that chateaux are being abandonned by century-old families because the up-keep becomes impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Pook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Pook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, best idea I&#039;ve hear in ages. There is nothing worth saving in the house at 24 Sussex. Not many Canadians could even describe what the house looks like, and I would bet they couldn&#039;t identify it from a photograph. There is no heritage here. Tear it down, start fresh with green technology, make it secure, and something worthy of heritage 200 years from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, best idea I&#039;ve hear in ages. There is nothing worth saving in the house at 24 Sussex. Not many Canadians could even describe what the house looks like, and I would bet they couldn&#039;t identify it from a photograph. There is no heritage here. Tear it down, start fresh with green technology, make it secure, and something worthy of heritage 200 years from now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are going to have an official residence at all at the federal level (and there are some reasons for it, including security requirements these days) I would prefer we let it continue to accumulate the patina of heritage and custom that it has been accumulating over the last almost sixty years.  Even if the physical aspects of the house lack some charm (and I would note that in BC it would rank as an ancient building indeed) the fact it has been the home of ten Prime Ministers lends it an aspect of historical importance that can&#039;t be replicated in a new building.  Each new occupant enters that building cognizant that there are those who have crossed that same threshold before, carrying the same burdens of office, and with the same temporary grasp on power.  That physical reminder of the past and the fleeting nature of political life is not something easily replicated - no matter how cleverly designed a new building may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are going to have an official residence at all at the federal level (and there are some reasons for it, including security requirements these days) I would prefer we let it continue to accumulate the patina of heritage and custom that it has been accumulating over the last almost sixty years.  Even if the physical aspects of the house lack some charm (and I would note that in BC it would rank as an ancient building indeed) the fact it has been the home of ten Prime Ministers lends it an aspect of historical importance that can&#039;t be replicated in a new building.  Each new occupant enters that building cognizant that there are those who have crossed that same threshold before, carrying the same burdens of office, and with the same temporary grasp on power.  That physical reminder of the past and the fleeting nature of political life is not something easily replicated &#8211; no matter how cleverly designed a new building may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, not all Canadian provinces provide official residences, even for the Lieutenant Governor. I believe only Quebec does for its head of government - others have to make do with finding their own accomodation. British Columbia provides the beautifully sited Government House for the Lieutenant Governor, for example, but the Premier has to find his own rented accomodation in Victoria, while maintaining his own home in Vancouver.

It is not clear why there needs to be an official residence for the Prime Minister. State banquets and ceremonies are held at Rideau Hall.  It is rare for government meetings of any sort to be held at 24 Sussex.  It really isn&#039;t analogouts to either the US presidential palace or to No. 10 Downing Street. Both are as much places of business as residences.  The British do provide Chequers as a country home, of course, as well, similar (although grander) to Harrington Lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, not all Canadian provinces provide official residences, even for the Lieutenant Governor. I believe only Quebec does for its head of government &#8211; others have to make do with finding their own accomodation. British Columbia provides the beautifully sited Government House for the Lieutenant Governor, for example, but the Premier has to find his own rented accomodation in Victoria, while maintaining his own home in Vancouver.</p>
<p>It is not clear why there needs to be an official residence for the Prime Minister. State banquets and ceremonies are held at Rideau Hall.  It is rare for government meetings of any sort to be held at 24 Sussex.  It really isn&#039;t analogouts to either the US presidential palace or to No. 10 Downing Street. Both are as much places of business as residences.  The British do provide Chequers as a country home, of course, as well, similar (although grander) to Harrington Lake.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanStok</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanStok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks PW - I assumed the topic was too arcane for anything to exist out there!</description>
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		<title>By: SeanStok</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanStok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean, to be sure.  Maybe the prospect of neverending minority governments has me wondering if a permanent residence for the PM is something of a waste - as it&#039;s doubtful we&#039;re going to see Chretien or Trudeau length tenures in the future.  (That said, you gotta hand it to Harper - he might confound all predictions yet.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean, to be sure.  Maybe the prospect of neverending minority governments has me wondering if a permanent residence for the PM is something of a waste &#8211; as it&#039;s doubtful we&#039;re going to see Chretien or Trudeau length tenures in the future.  (That said, you gotta hand it to Harper &#8211; he might confound all predictions yet.)</p>
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