An ITQ Rant: Forget polls, money is the root of all political journalistic evils.

by kadyomalley on Monday, June 29, 2009 11:54pm - 70 Comments

Wait, I should probably be more specific: our obsessive coverage of how much money the various political parties have, or don’t have, or have managed to raise – or not raise, and what it all means as far as the prospect of an [insert season here] election, and what it says about the state of grassroots support, and  – enough. Seriously, enough.

I’m not saying stories like this one, which reveals the not-all-that-shocking news that the Liberals have raised $5 million since the beginning of the year —  aren’t important, and interesting — because of course it is, as will be the stories that will come out later this week, after Elections Canada releases the latest quarterly reports and we can see whether the various parties have boosted their intake from the first three months of the year. Who’s ahead? Who’s falling behind?  Who’s hot? Who’s not? Lather, rinse and repeat three months later, when the third quarter reports start rolling in. (And to save someone else from pointing it out first, ITQ freely admits to being just as guilty as any of her colleagues of focusing on the parties’ fiscal health to the virtual exclusion of all else.)

Somehow, we — and I’m using a blurry, royal-ish we, because it’s not just journalists, it’s the parties themselves as well, not to mention partisans and political junkies — seem to have decided that, aside from the still revered opinion poll, the only reliable measure of the vitality and strength of a political party is its bank balance.

Now, I’ll grant you that the Liberals are a special case — after all, it is that party’s chronic  – well, recently chronic — lack of funds that has been blamed for its successive leaders’ reluctance to go to the polls. But even so, in all the interviews with the party’s new wunderkind national director Rocco Rossi that have appeared in the last few weeks, there has been precious little discussion of anything other than, well, money, and how much of it he hopes to raise.  Everything — from the attack ads to the most recent parliamentary standoff, is viewed through that prism.

Of course, on the other side of the have/have not fence, we have the Conservative Party, which pulls in more cash from more donors than the other four parties combined, but whose leader was so fixated on cash-starving his adversaries that he very nearly brought down his own government by proposing to abolish the per-vote subsidy, all the while leaving the generous tax and expense rebates — which, as it happens, benefit his party more than the others simply because it has more money and more donors — untouched.

According to Colleague Wells, that’s the one thing that Stephen Harper has on his to-do list if he wins the next election: forget health care, the economy or the environment — it’s all about money: not only raising as much of it as you can, but making it as difficult as possible for your opponents to do the same.

What we forget in all this, of course, is that the vast majority of Canadians aren’t card-carrying members of any party — and, for the most part, they don’t donate to political parties at all. (Nor, in ITQ’s possibly heretical opinion, should they feel any particular obligation to do so, unless they’re truly motivated, because really, their only civic responsibility is to show up and vote, but that’s another rant for another day.)

If the permanent campaign forces parties to devote an ever increasing amount of time, energy and – yes, money – to keep the cheques rolling in, that means they have less time, energy and money to reach out to those who prefer to vote not with their wallets, but the old fashioned way: with a  ballot, on Election Day. We — journalists, political parties and everyone else — ought to keep that in mind. It’s fine to write about party fundraising, just like it’s fine to write about polls – but we shouldn’t make the mistake of treating the political marketplace like a stock exchang

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  • Joseph Mayer

    Kady,

    I agree with the general thrust of your rant above, but I disagree with the statement that "…(Canadians') only civic responsibility is to show up and vote…". Voting may be the most important civic responsibility (and I'm not sure of that), but it is not the only one. I would include being a well-informed citizen and being an engaged citizen as two other responsibilities that we all have, if we hope to sustain a functioning democracy.

    A small quibble, perhaps, but I thought it worth noting.

    One of your many loyal readers,
    Joseph Mayer

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      I agree completely, and at one point, I did try to make that very point in my post, but the sentence in question quickly careened out of control, and became an unwieldy, tangential rant about something else entirely, so I figured I'd just keep it simple. You are, however, entirely right.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

    A midnight rant is the best kind. Hope you sleep better after that.

    Oh, and you are so right , er … correct.

    If the US had public funding of elections they might actually be able to get some meaningful
    legislation passed. Not that it's helped in that regard in Canada. But that's a different conversation.

    • Andrew (not P or C)

      Agreed. They might actually get movement on single-payer if the US health insurance industry didn't have money in the pocket of every politician in DC.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/JPro JPro

    Good zesty rant Kady.

    I second Joseph Mayer though. Voting is just about the minimum requirement for civic engagement. People need to get off the couch and become involved with politics.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

    A couple of small observations Kady – while I suck the bones out of your more incoherent than usual post….____While the total available – in the bank as it were – is a good measure of how much advertising you can buy – if you buy space to run negative ads – and they backfire – then the total is not an accurate measure of how effectively you can get your message out and move votes to your column.__What is interesting about Rocco Rossi's revelations is – Rocco is confident enough that the momentum of fundraising is moving in the Liberal's direction – especially so since the new strategy for communicating is not yet in play…but will be soon..__What the general public – and I would hazard a guess – the MSM hasn't yet got – is that the ringing of the cash register since the beginning of the year – really since last November – reflects a new mode of action and philosophy within the party – it is not the old boys & gals network any more – it has been opened up – and it IS listening to the grassroots – and responding to them – and the grassroots are responding with both cash and roll your sleeves up let's get this vehicle out of the ditch – Canada needs us – type of action…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

      I agree. Party donations are much more than just dollars in the bank. They represent a stronger relationship between the voters who donate and that party. It's one thing to curry the favour of a few well-heeled interest groups – as was the case in the past. But it's quite another to engage enough individuals to have their donations amount to anything. If I recall, that was as much the magic of Obama's campaign as anything – the collective power of amassed small donations. As WW notes, it reflects a movement mindful of the grassroots instead of party elites.

      It also forces voters to commit their own resources (as opposed to public funding), which is ultimately a good thing (with campaign spending limits in place, which we have) One wonders/hopes if the BQ wouldn't slip a bit if its survival depended more on people putting up their own money as opposed to simply checking a box to lend support.

  • jarrid

    A case in point: the recent Liberal convention in Vancouver.

    It wasn't a leadership convention, the leadership of the Party was decided by the same backroom boys who sought out Iggy in Cambridge, Massachusetts in the first place.

    It wasn't a policy convention either. Policy wasn't discussed.

    Instead, operatives from the United States Democratic Party were flown in from Washington, D.C. to demonstrate the latest in FUNDRAISING techniques.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      In fairness, Jarrid, I don't think any one party has a monopoly on being on the verge of overly obsessed with raising money.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

      I was there and trust me, lots of policy was discussed. To say otherwise is at best not true, and at worst is lying.

      And who, exactly, were the Democratic Party people flown into the convention to demo FUNDRAISING techniques? I must have missed that session.

      • jarrid

        It was a closed-door session but that such a session occured was widely discussed in the media at the time. Maybe it was going on while you were video-taping Justin Trudeau's stream-of-consciousness speech on everything under the sun and nothing in particular.

        But BCer, I stand corrected if I misspoke on the lack of policy discussions. Do you know where we can find any resolutions? I ask because I really am in the dark on Liberal policy positions on the major issues of the day such as the environment. Are they still the same as last October or have they changed? Where does one go to find out?

        • Anon

          You didn't mispeak. You made it up. You lied.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wascally_Wabbit Wascally_Wabbit

            Jarrid – really!
            You Konservative Kiddies already blatantly stolen anything you liked about Liberal Economic policy – and now you say we don't have any?
            We have it neatly tucked away to be shown to the Canadian public at the right time…

          • jarrid

            If the Maclean's administrators are going to allow Ti-g*y to sock-puppet as Anon, then in fairness they should allow Kody back. He never to my knowledge indulge in gutter type behavior indulged in by Ti-g*y/Anon.

          • Anon

            Shut up, moron.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

          Actually Justin's speech was before the convention started. Could you send me a link to this widely discussed closed-door session? Because it's still not ringing a bell.

          As for "misspeaking" on policy, if you mean saying the exact opposite of what is true then sure, I guess you did. Since you asked nicely though, here's a link to a PDF that's easily available on the Liberal web site with every policy that was up for discussion in Vancouver. I'd note, of course, that not all were passed.

          http://www.liberal.ca/pdf/docs/2009-policy-resolu…

          • jarrid

            Thanks for the link BCer.

  • jarrid

    The Bloc Quebecois would be the hardest hit party if they lost their government of Canada subsidy.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Actually, the Bloc Quebecois took in nearly double their previous years' total in donor contributions in 2008 — check the annual returns if you don't believe me — and the first quarter intake was triple what they raised during the same period last year. It will be interesting to see if that trend continues into the second quarter. The Bloc also has the luxury of being able to mount a campaign for far less money than the other parties.

      • jarrid

        They still raise a pittance in donor contributions compared to the other federal parties. They love the federal teat when it suits them.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

          Well, considering the party survived before the per-vote subsidy, my guess is that if it was abolished — which I don't actually think will happen, for the record — they would find a way to raise more money, and run cheaper campaigns. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing — I just don't think it would mean the end of the party, which – if you talk to some supporters of eliminating the subsidy – is their actual goal.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

          they also have a need for far less cash than the federal parties, given they only support campaigns in Quebec and don't travel across the country

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    (Nor, in ITQ’s possibly heretical opinion, should they feel any particular obligation to do so, unless they’re truly motivated, because really, their only civic responsibility is to show up and vote, but that’s another rant for another day.)

    So why, then, do you feel it is every taxpayer's civic responsibility to fork over the dough, under penalty of imprisonment? Because that is exactly what we've got now with the per-vote subsidy from tax dollars.

    No argument whatsoever that the gold-plated tax credits for contributions need to settle down to no more than that of a charitable contribution. But I am fully behind this plan to unplug the automatic "free money" these clowns get.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      But they get just as much free money in expense rebates — why should Conservative Voting Taxpayer A have to foot part of the bill for the Liberals' ad campaign, or vice versa? That's "under penalty of imprisonment" too — yet I suspect you won't find many political parties willing to call for an end to that particular form of public financing. Which isn't to say you can't make a coherent argument against it — in fact, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation has done just that in the past — but it's simply hypocritical for a party to decry the per-vote subsidy, which at least gives the taxpayer a modicum of control over which party will benefit from "his" (or "her") $1.80, while quietly cashing those hefty expense rebate cheques from the very same source.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        Yup. It should ALL be scrapped, I'm coming to believe.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

        You are absolutely right, Kady, throw the expense rebate nonsense out, too. I neglected to add that to the disgusting gravy-train that needs to be tossed.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

          I do appreciate your meticulous consistency, even when I don't necessarily agree with your overall thesis.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            Shoot, from 45 minutes ago, I thought you were coming around to scrapping this state-enforced involuntary confiscation of wealth.

            :)

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            Just caught Philippe Gohier's DMA post from last night.

            Please let us scrap the taxpayer-funded "ten-percenters" too. Thanks.

      • http://liberalvideodepot.blogspot.com Ted

        It is worse than that, Kady.

        The per-vote subsidy has at least some democratic fairness and it encourages civic engagement because people who may not otherwise be encouraged to vote can at least say to themselves 'well, at least the Green Party will get my $1.95 instead of the XXX Party'. In other words, aside from non-voters, a Liberal voter generates a Liberal subsidy, a Conservative voter generates a Conservative subsidy.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SisyphusThis SisyphusThis

      It's one of the few ( and feeble ) defenses against this kind of garbage ….

      http://firedoglake.com/money-spent-on-lobbying-to…

      But I guess that's not a good thing, eh ?

  • jarrid

    One thing that I think we can all agree on is the curtailing of corporate donations. Corporate fundraising was the root of many evils and gave undue influence to corporate boardrooms in the halls of power.

    Those days are gone and thank God for that.

    • Mulletaur

      One day when I get some time I am going to start looking through the donors lists for the Conservative Party of Canada and see what percentage of them are company directors, partners in law or accountancy firms, lobbyists, etc. etc. Let's try to keep the pious cant to a minimum, shall we Jarrid ?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    Agree completely with Kady. This is a great post. I missed this last night somehow, but the general thrust came up in Wells' Harper-end-of-public-financing post.

    The assumption that donations equals accountability/the ultimate incentive for responsiveness is at least fatally flawed as it is popular with its supporters.

    In the Wells' column, Andrew (Not P or C) ponders limits of $20 personal donations and continues to make the case for decreasing the amount o money in politics above. To the degree that this was the only money in politics I would be more inclined to prefer – though still not positive I am convinced. Would it not be great if political advertising was reduced mailing every Canadian citizen a 30 page policy platform with an impassioned cover letter from the party leader and a series of debates starting a week later? No commercials, no events, no ten percenters…. one can only dream.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Annual spending limits that would apply outside of the writ period would be the best way to reduce the influence of money in politics, but I very much doubt you could get any party to support that proposal.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

        agreed on both points Kady. While the final report and recommendations of the Lortie Commission (Electoral Reform and Party Financing) resulted in many positive developments, as we hone in on twenty years since the report, we need to update some of the recommendations to ensure its spirit is reacts to new realities like the permanent campaign. but you are right, sadly, this is not coming from parties, especially the current government.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

          that being, said, I guess two points.

          we did get limits in the past. so presumably it is not impossible.

          and, i do wonder though, how low the limits would have to get to serve as a corrective in refocusing the substance of pre- and post-writ politicking to matters of 'substance' (ie policy platforms) over matters of personality and fear and loathing.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

    I think there might be another lens through which to view the Liberal fixation on their coffers.

    There's something to be said for the broader visceral perception of a party, sheerly in terms of being a successful and energized movement versus that of a sickly loser. Simply put, the Liberals have lost that aura of success, and renewing their financial health may go a long way to once again being veiwed as winners.

    I hate to boil politics down to issues of psychological branding, but I expect many voters find successful winners appealing on one level, and are instinctively repulsed by losers.

    That might explain the seemingly obsessive treatment the Libs are giving their bank account lately. First get the public associating your party with positive momentum and a gut perception of health, and then share some policy ideas.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      I think you're absolutely right – but I also think that we may have gone too far in that direction, and as a journalist, I'm tired of reducing every potential political standoff to an odds-setting based on the battle of the bank balances. It's definitely *a* factor in, say, election timing — which, in a minority parliament, seems to be the context for 90% of the political coverage — an important factor, even. But it shouldn't be the only one that we consider when predicting and analysing party behaviour, nor should it be the only factor that the *parties* consider when deciding on their next course of action. That goes as much for the Conservatives — and the NDP — as the Liberals, by the way: I think both parties have gotten so used to the Liberals being the party of the perpetually empty pockets that they would be somewhat gobsmacked to find themselves competing on a relatively level playing field, which is dangerously short-sighted. It shouldn't *all* come down to who has the most cash to spend on a campaign. right?

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        "It shouldn't *all* come down to who has the most cash to spend on a campaign. right?"

        Absolutely. I'd even take it a step further and suggest that the fixation on election timing is distracting the nation from needed consideration and debates about a myriad of issues that we ought to be thrashing out. Of course, that would require the parties to take positions, put forth ideas, and articulate a vision for the country past next Tuesday. All of which are fast becoming quaint artifacts in the dysfunctional political world you report on.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

      Sean, the Liberals SHOULD be fixated on their coffers. Every enterprise should. What does it say about managerial competence for the whole COUNTRY when you can't balance a far less onerous account?

      Not everyone can get too big too fail. Oh wait, just about everybody and every business does seem to qualify for that now…

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/SeanStok SeanStok

        In that respect, I completely agree. In fact, it would be refreshing to see both general elections and leadership campaigns approached from the philosophy of spending within means, instead of racking up debt and figuring out how to pay for it later.

        In an age where mass communication has never been cheaper, it seems a bit nuts that parties feel a need to rent jets and giant busses to get their ideas out there. It's a bit like the insanity one witnesses around proms – kids renting limos and expensive hotel rooms thanks to enabling parents. Everybody does it because everybody does it.

        But then, my wife and I often feel like strangers in our own culture by way of our aversion to debt. It's amazing how one can be made to feel falsely poor by living within one's means (smallish house, old car), instead of secure in minimizing the extent to which others control your fate. And I can only assume that the culture of debt and consumption so unquestioned on the personal level extends to corporations and parties too.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

        "What does it say about managerial competence for the whole COUNTRY when you can't balance a far less onerous account?"

        Not necessarily a thing, frankly. there are lots of thinks going on in running that a party that are completely not analogous to running a business or a country.

        should parties be fiscally responsible sure. is it realistic to think a party might sit this 'one out' to let the $ catch up, i sure hope not. while we might agree that as a simple general principle, that "Not everyone can get too big too fail", i hope my democracy is. not everything ought to be managed according to a devout – and erroneous – belief that the principles of the market govern everything best.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

          Equating "democracy" with "any one bankrupt party" or "my favourite bankrupt party" in the too-big-to-fail scheme of things has a very tough hill to climb.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

            we all know that PMSH's fave target with this is the Libs…..but the failed November attempt would have largely had the same effect on all three major opposition parties: none would have been able to run an election any time soon. the potential to cripple the opposition's ability to bring down the government undermines the basic tenets of our democratic system. if he did it in September it would likely have the same effect. in the short-term it also creates the possibility that an elections could occur without the ability of the three opposition parties able to run… can we not agree that neither of these potentialities serve our democracy?

            and, if your counter is that all three parties could run an elections based on what is in their coffers now plus what they can amass in loans, i would just point to those that Globe article from last summer, where Flanagan openly pined about the possibility of bankrupting the Libs not through the first election, but through the second.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

            Except they finally woke up and realized that maybe they should do some fundraising, and now they're getting healthier. They had their Duh! moment and they are now recovering. Democracy is thus saved.

            But if electoral success is measured merely by the bank account, the Tories would have had a blowout majority. They don't. So having a platform to earn votes matters too.

  • http://liberalvideodepot.blogspot.com Ted

    [CONT]
    By contrast, the donation subsidy which benefits the Conservatives most and which they won't, therefore, touch, results in the taxpayers who support opposition parties subsidizing the Conservative Party since 75% of any donation comes from the taxpayer and not the donor. But the Conservatives like their taxpayer subsidies just as much if not more than the other parties. This is the party, don't forget that is using government money for its ad campaign – the ongoing funnelling of 80-95% of taxpayer infrastructure and accessibility funds into Conservative ridings, the ongoing ads on the Canadian "Action" Plan, the ten percenters using Conservative ad campaign materials to attack the opposition instead of promote Parliament or the MP, using government offices and press releases to attack the Liberals instead of doing the nation's business (which they had to re-pay and apologize for), etc. etc. etc.

  • Anon

    I wouldn't mind the reporting on party fundraising as much if it were balanced with reporting on party spending. Then we'd have some sense of *who* is exactly benefiting from this push to see more money go into the campaign process. My guess is those who want to see the campaign industry entrenched in Canada as it is in the US, where individuals who are largely indifferent to democracy, establish lucrative careers as political entrepreneurs.

  • http://liberalvideodepot.blogspot.com Ted

    I think the far far greater political journalistic evil that subverts focus on policy is "The Media" focus on polling. By comparison, fundraising gets no attention.

  • tobyornotoby

    The practical reason to subsidize election spending by parties is it makes it easy for them to go along with the regulation. Otherwise we'd be faced with trying to regulate a lot more third party spending that would take its place. We'd just see below the radar funded partisan commentary taking the place of above board party-sponsored ads and lots of fake organizations and associations with partisans axes in their hands.

  • herringchoker

    Kady,

    Your point would be stronger if the source wasn't a media outlet run by the nephew of Iggy's Chief-of-Staff. They run fawning stories on Iggy about three times a week, whenever they're not telling NBers what a great job Shawn Graham is doing.

  • Mulletaur

    Oh, and I forgot to add that the Vulcan Chessmaster understands all of this only too well – that's why he is so desparate to get rid of the subsidy.

  • Anon

    "Your point would be stronger if the source wasn't a media outlet run by the nephew of Iggy's Chief-of-Staff."

    The Canadian Press is run by the nephew of Iggy's chief-of-staff?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Also, I'm not even sure how it would weaken my point if it *was* (which – well, obviously, it's not, but that's almost too embarrassing a mistake to want to correct).

  • Calgary Junkie

    I am curious to know what percentage of each Party's donations come from monthly, automatic withdrawals. I suspect the Cons are far ahead of the Libs in that fund-raising aspect.

    The Libs seem to be relying too much on gimmicky promotions (eg get a date with Iggy) . These promotions must work to some extent, but there is obviously more overhead, and Iggy's dignity takes a bit of a hit.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

      The Conservatives make a ton of bank from gimmicky one-time promotions. Their "give us money so we can keep providing moral leadership" during the war in Lebanon e-mail, for example. Every few months Doug Finley sends out a "the Liberals are going to force an election so send us money" e-mail. They regularly send out issue-based solicitations. The Liberals are just slowly catching-up in this regard.

      • Calgary Junkie

        I think Finley, and whoever sends out Lib fundraising letters, will try to capitalize on whatever events are occuring. It's a matter of pushing the right buttons in those who donate. The Libs made good money in their "help us fight the 'just visiting' ads". The Cons did well at the height of the Coalition kerfuffle.

        I get very few of Finley's/Gerstein's letters now, since I became a regular monthly donor 18 months ago. The Libs obviously need more guys like me, not only to reduce their fundraising overhead. But also to help them make firmer long-range plans, as they build a solid base of donors. The key thing, IMHO, is for Iggy to step up his game, especially in the policy department. My suggestion–advocate the legalization of marijuana. Something bold like that from the Libs would seriously worry me.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/BCerInToronto BCerInToronto

    Now, I’ll grant you that the Liberals are a special case — after all, it is that party’s chronic – well, recently chronic — lack of funds that has been blamed for its successive leaders’ reluctance to go to the polls.

    And this, Kady, is why Apps and Rossi have been so vocal talking about the LPC's fundraising of late. Because even in a post lamenting the media's fixation of fundraiser #s as an indicator of party health, you still repeat the tired fiscal basketcase meme. As long as the media persist in perpetuating this false fiscal basketcase claim, and until you convince your colleagues to stop putting so much importance on these numbers, it would be a mistake for the Liberals stop trying to counter it.

    As to your wider point though, I agree with the spirit but you can't dismiss fundraising as an indicator all together. All things, polls, money, etc., in moderation. The lack of donations may not necessarily be an indicator of a lack of public support, but it does create issues. Did the lack of funds to counter the Dion not a leader ads hurt the Liberal chances? Did it make a difference in the swing ridings where the Cons spent near the limit and the Liberals spend half? Money can only get you so far, but you do need a certain level of funding to be competitive.

    The media seem to like to focus on singular indicators in isolation. I'd argue the answer isn't to throw out indicators, but to consider them all in context and in whole.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      As long as the media persist in perpetuating this false fiscal basketcase claim, and until you convince your colleagues to stop putting so much importance on these numbers, it would be a mistake for the Liberals stop trying to counter it.

      I'm pretty sure that I did, in fact, take partial responsibility for the obsession on behalf of my profession. We're definitely partly to blame — and you can bet that when the second quarter reports come out, if – for instance – the Conservatives' haul has dropped from the first quarter, or from the same period last year, we will go on and on and on about what a very bad sign it is for their electoral prospects. If it isn't, we'll do the opposite story — and the parties will feed into that narrative as well. For heaven's sake, we had the NDP's Brad Lavigne reacting to the Just VIsiting campaign by claiming that it generated thousands of dollars in donations to *his* party. Is that really the only question raised by the campaign – directly, or indirectly? How much money it makes/costs the parties? (Sorry, that turned into a re-rant.)

    • Anon

      "All things, polls, money, etc., in moderation."

      Right. Restricted to a campaign period, post-writ. Problem solved. Governance by campaigning is destroying democracy.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    You know, I'd actually love to see a breakdown on how much of the money raised by the various parties is pumped right back into fundraising activities, versus the kind of outreach that you refer to above. Remember that during the writ, there are limits on how much a party can spend, which are low enough that the major parties *can* run a fully funded campaign for less than $20 million. Which, admittedly, is not exactly something you can scrounge up between the couch cushions, but compare that to the US, where it can cost that much to challenge a Senate seat, and the cost of a presidential campaign is measured in the billions. Also, although Elections Canada does *not* make it easy to compare contribution levels over the last decade and a half, I did try to pull together some of the data, and from what I can tell, the total number of people contributing to political parties has not actually increased or decreased substantially since 1993, although again, because of the different reporting requirements, it's really not an exact science. It's still a tiny percentage of the total population.

    • Mulletaur

      "It's still a tiny percentage of the total population."

      True, but the number of people actively involved in partisan political activities is also a very tiny portion of the population. To illustrate with a recent example : population of Ontario, about 13 million, number of people who voted for the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario in 2007, about 1.4 million, number of party members eligible to vote in the PC leadership convention which took place over the weekend, 43,981 of which 25,424 cast ballots.

      You can probably figure out what is raised and spent (and spend on fundraising) from the Annual Returns the parties file with Elections Canada, but to get the full picture you would have to look at central party, individual riding association and campaign returns.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    These comments are all very strange.

    Aristotlean-inspired discussion on civic responsibility, an amusing suggestion that the American political system doesn't have enough money injected into it, another that the Liberal party is becoming grassroots-oriented, another suggesting that it would be a good thing if a political party's life depended on cash donations, news of clandestine operatives demonstrating the newest American covert fundraising techniques, an astounding suggestion that most Canadians would actually read a hundred pages of political policy papers, a call for more substance in politics that echoes similar calls that have been made since confederation – this time fingering political contributions for the blame, an invocation of prom-night spending, a lament that under-funded parties can't force an election at will, a 'Holy moley' exclamation, always classic, an impassioned plea for statism in the political party process, a control-of-media-by-owners conspiracy theory. It's a political dinner plate full of a 25 ounce porterhouse, seasoned to taste, and one lonely dime-sized russet, no greens.

    All very fantastical and brilliant, the stuff political junkies are made of!

  • Stephen

    Shorter version of rant: Money is icky

    So here is the problem: Political parties have volunteers. People cheer the involvement of volunteers, as they should, it is an indicator of involvement and committment. So should we be supplying volunteers (meaning time) to political parties to make that free as well? That is the extension of the argument for providing money.

    What I do agree with in the column though is that money is only one measure. It is as myopic to focus on fundraising as it is to ignore it as an indicator.

    Money is a good proxy for a lot of things, but it doesnt tell the whole story. The Liberals are fixing one wheel on their wagon, they have more to fix. Are the Cons short on the policy side?, yeah I would say so…We will see if that harms them, I would say it will, but only if there is an alternative

    Fundraising is not a sustainable advantage, any organization can do it. But focus on the big picture, polls, fundraising, crowd size, bitchy staffers etc are single measures only.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

    When did we start getting to rate the articles as opposed to just each other?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/sea_n_mountains sea_n_mountains

      the scale of 5 leafs was better than the thumbs up/thumbs down! can you go back?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Ed_Sweeney Ed_Sweeney

    Hey, I never noticed that. Good spotting!

  • George Pringle

    The "money" race is better to watch than the "polling" race everybody also obsesses over. Polls where 90% claim to come to vote and one third don't. That 30% is not evenly distributed and the more loyal Tory vote shows up more often.

    Second, the money race needs to be looked at with the Party's expenditures during the same quarter. Even as the Liberal improve on their pathetic funding since C_24, the party cronies are eating up the extra funds, they are certainly not getting the bang for the buck that parties with beliefs do.

    I did note in our local paper that former Lib MP Blair Wilson admitted he failed to include a corporate donation in his return. His paperwork was more then flawed, he accepted an illegal contribution and Elections Canada does not seem to be concerned about this breach of the laws. There should be a bright light put on the donations to the candidates and people who breach the rules removed from office. Not just by becoming a Green MP like Blair.

    If you cut out all the "per vote" funding and the rebate but stuck with the tax receipt, you would get rid of most of the games.

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