UPDATED AGAIN: Wafergate, Radio-Canada/CBC and the Youtube takedown: Oh boy, an excuse to geek out about copyright law!

by kadyomalley on Friday, July 10, 2009 9:56am - 40 Comments

UPDATED AGAIN! Scroll down for the official response from CBC/Radio Canada and the poster behind the extended “Wafergate” video!

With thanks to Michael Geist — and whoever first noticed the sudden disappearance of the extended remix of the PM taking communion at the LeBlanc funeral — ITQ is on the case. (Seriously, an excuse to write about digital copyright law? Just try to hold her back.)

Inquiries have been sent out to all of the parties involved — really, you haven’t lived until you’ve tried to explain Wafergate to the sure-to-be-utterly-baffled Youtube press officer at the other end of the general press email address —  and I’ll keep you posted as more information comes out, but in the meantime, I just wanted to make a few quick points based on the discussions that have arisen thus far.

Some people seem to be confused as to why it would be CBC/Radio-Canada, and not CPAC, that would issue the takedown request, since the clip in question was taken from the CPAC broadcast of the funeral. Although I’ve not yet confirmed that this is the case, my guess is that this was pool footage, provided by CBC and picked up by other networks, including CPAC, which would make CBC/Radio-Canada the legal owner.

A more interesting question, in ITQ’s opinion, is whether the complaint was made under the Digital Millennium Communications Act — the DMCA to its friends and foes — which allows the allegedly infringing poster to file a counternotification  – basically, they send a letter to Youtube rebutting the allegation that their use of the material constitutes a copyright infringement — to a takedown request. At that that point, Youtube – at least, under the law – is obliged to put the clip back online, having fulfilled its legal responsibility. The onus is then on the complainant — Radio-Canada/CBC, in this case — to launch an infringement claim against the poster. If they don’t, the clip stays up.

So, is the original poster — whose username, unfortunately, is no longer available on the site — planning to issue a counternotification? He or she has ten days in which to do so, and as far as Geist can see, that the footage would “certainly qualify under ‘fair dealing’”.  Geist wrote about Canada Post’s involvement in a similar notice-and-takedown case here, and points out also points out that, if a complainant is found to have knowingly misrepresented the facts in issuing a takedown request, they could face legal penalties.

Anyway, that’s all theoretical for now — and ITQ hopes she’ll have more information for y’all later, so check back this afternoon.

UPDATE: This just in from Radio Canada/CBC spokesman Angus MacKinnon:

[T]he footage was indeed pool, shot by Radio-Canada for CBC, CPAC, and TVA. On behalf of pool members, Radio-Canada requested that the footage be removed from YouTube due to copyright infringement (something it does on a regular basis). It was deemed that no ‘fair dealing’ exception was applicable in this case. I can’t provide you with a copy of the request, because none was formally filed. That’s because takedown requests are executed by way a system that YouTube sets up for large copyright owners, which allows us to quickly identify and remove content without having to file formal applications every time. As for our policy on fair dealing with regard to YouTube-d material, it’s judged on a case-by-case basis.

I’m still not quite clear on whether the Youtube content verification process allows the poster to counternotify to a complaint, but I suspect it would, since that is, as Geist pointed out in an earlier email, the method by which ISPs and other providers, are able to avoid liability in a subsequent complaint. I haven’t heard back from Youtube yet, but will update this post when I do — and if anyone happens to have contact information for the original poster, I’d love to know if they’re planning to issue a counternotification to the takedown request.

UPDATE – ANONYMOUS POSTER SPEAKS: Isn’t the internet wonderful? Somehow, the Youtuber responsible for posting the clip in question found out that ITQ was looking for him/her, and dropped us a note to say that, although he/she “would love to [counternotify]“, they can’t risk having their identity exposed, for job-related reasons. Which is too bad, because it would have been interesting to find out what would happen if they did, but ITQ understands that sometimes, one has to put one’s livelihood and well-being first.

ITQ has also heard back from Youtube, but it was too late to return the call tonight, so she’ll try again tomorrow. Stay tuned!

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    Oh yay, still more nationally relevant issues. Did the PM, or did he not, scarf down a cracker. WIth the added tangent of whether or not we can re-see the video on a free website.

    DOESN'T ANYBODY HAVE A GOVERNMENT TO RUN????????

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

      You know the silly season has started when the national media focuses on communion and parade funding issues.

      Hey national media, I have a large pot-hole on my route home that is inconvenient. Can you please make a fuss for me, thanks ahead of time.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/jolyon jolyon

      You know the silly season has started when the national media focuses on communion and parade funding issues.

      Hey national media, there is a large pot-hole on my route home that is inconvenient. Can you please make a fuss for me, thanks ahead of time.

    • John D

      I'm assuming neither the Youtube poster, nor the CBC lawyer have governments to run. I could be wrong, though.

    • Blammo

      Or, at least, attack campaigns to coordinate.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/madeyoulook madeyoulook

    And to clarify, geek out about copyright law whenever you like, ITQ. I just wish this country had more (less?) to worry about than communion for the PM and a pride parade.

  • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

    Do we know that it is in fact a real takedown notice? Youtube has been fooled by hoaxes before. And Yankee politicos were filing takedown notices all throughout the last national campaign. Usually charges of obscenity, if I recall (or maybe those are "inappropriate content" complaints. Same result, though).

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

    I know, I know. I'm sorry. I have a longstanding fascination with the use of copyright law as a weapon, so I really couldn't resist. I promise not to go out of my way to make things *worse*, at least.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

      Good for you, and keep up the good work in keeping copyright law in the news.
      Big fan of Prof Geist's blog, and the awareness he raises on digital/copyright law.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

    A Mr. W.K. has the video still up.
    Perhaps he would like to counter notify?

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

    A Mr. W.K. has the video still up.
    Perhaps he would like to counter notify?

    No. Nobody running govt. They are busy pursuing Cheeseburgers.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Harbles Harbles

    A Mr. W.K. has the video still up.
    Perhaps he would like to counter notify?

    No. Nobody running govt. They are busy pursuing Cheeseburgers.

  • Dakota

    Wow, still carrying on about the wafer Kady? Sorry, but this dog has no bite with the public. Maybe you should go looking for the next supposed conservative scandal, I don’t think the HRC is getting involved with this anytime soon.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      I think you may have missed the point of this post, Dakota. It's about copyright law, not communion — and as far as I know, it doesn't involve the government at all, but CBC/Radio Canada, Youtube, and an anonymous poster. Unless you're suggesting otherwise?

  • John D

    What I find hi-larious is the number of commenters on Canadian newsites and blogs tearing their hair out about how this 'shouldn't be a story' and 'doesn't the national media/MSM have anything better to report on.' If it shouldn't be a story or it's not news why are you all rushing to write comments on every single article. The media and bloggers are simply writing stories about what interests people. If you all stopped clicking and commenting on wafer stories, they would probably stop.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamDavies SamDavies

      I've been away up north for the last week or so, and missed this whole wafergate thing-ama-jiggy.
      Notwithstanding whether this was a legit story or not, the notion that this was removed from You-tube is rather unsettling.
      It certainly helps expose some of the shortfalls of ironclad copyright.
      For some people, this incident was news, and they wanted to see it.
      At what point does protecting copyright become censorship?

  • john g

    Colby Cosh on Twitter points out that this could really be a nationally important issue with global ramifications.

    What if Harper secretly pocketed the body of Christ with the intention of cloning it? He could be building AN ARMY OF JESUSES.

    • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

      Colby Cosh needs a shave.

    • Scott M.

      OK, that's just funny.

  • Dakota

    Oh, I see, the fact that it involves the Wafer guffaw is just coincidence and not a way of keeping the story alive. How could I have not known that? Silly me.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Hee. If you knew me, you'd realize how ridiculous it is to suggest that I'd ever pass up an opportunity to let my copyright nerd fly. Ask the many friends I've bored to the point of unconsciousness rambling on about ephemeral and timeshifting rights. Also, I'm pretty sure that "guffaw" doesn't mean what you think it does. Were you thinking of "foofaraw", perhaps? Or "kerfuffle"?

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Hee. If you knew me, you'd realize how ridiculous it is to suggest that I'd ever pass up an opportunity to let my copyright nerd flag fly. Ask the many friends I've bored to the point of unconsciousness rambling on about ephemeral and timeshifting rights. Also, I'm pretty sure that "guffaw" doesn't mean what you think it does. Were you thinking of "foofaraw", perhaps? Or "kerfuffle"?

      • http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com bigcitylib

        You are a true child of the Napster generation. Consider supporting the Canadian Pirate Party.

      • john g

        Hee. If you knew me, you'd realize how ridiculous it is to suggest that I'd ever pass up an opportunity to let my copyright nerd flag fly.

        OK, I'll take issue with that statement…you seemed to want little to no part of the story involving the Liberals using the GreenShift trademark against the will of Jennifer Wright. I found 3 posts with the tag "Jennifer Wright" from you, which consisted of the statement of claim, a post that she was about to deliver said statement of claim to Liberal HQ, and a post demonstrating considerable skepticism of the angry calls and emails she had received. Basically, you just gently scratched the surface of the issue, and tried to discredit the person accusing the Liberals.

        There was a mountain of material to work with there, if you really wanted to show off in that area. Perhaps you're just a copyright geek and not a trademark geek? Or is there another explanation for why that story got so little attention from you?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

          Are you kidding? I was obsessed with the Green Shift case — yes, my fetish extends to trademark law as well — largely because her claim was so tenuous, in my opinion, given the law, and the question of competition/possibility of confusion/previous use. Sometimes posts do get lost in the archives, although I'm surprised that Google wouldn't deliver, but trust me, I covered the HECK out of that story.

  • RayK

    As BCer in Toronto points out over at his site, not only was the video taken down at the request of Radio-Canada–not CPAC–but this is the second time in a few months that a youtube video critical of the Conservatives has been taken down do to accusations of copyright infringement by a third party.

    I also recall that the Liberals called C-SPAN to try to get them to force the Conservative to pull one of their anti-Ignatieff ads off the air because of copyright issues.

    Is it possible the Conservatives are alerting Canadian media outlets to possible (i.e. bogus) copyright unfringement cases to get videos critical of themselves pulled? Just speculation, but since the Liberals tried it I wonder if the Conservative are too.

    http://bcinto.blogspot.com/2009/07/harper-holy-ho…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      You'd think that the embarrassment that the Liberals suffered when CSPAN politely told them to bugger off would have been enough to discourage any other party from trying the same trick in the future, but who knows? At the moment, though, I'm still waiting to hear back from any or all of the parties involved.

    • Jason

      They rejected the Liberal claim. Caved to the Conservatives.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

        … or, alternately, don't have a problem with fair use.

  • Eo Nomine

    A few quick points:
    1) While I haven't looked into it deeply, I understand that the clip was posted on YouTube.com, and YouTube.com's terms of service (which apply to any video uploaded or viewed) expressly state it's governed by the "laws of the State of California" (See TOS, s. 14: http://www.youtube.com/t/terms). Consequently, unless one is willing to mount a jurisdictional challenge, it's quite likely that US law rather than Canadian law would apply to the take-down.

    2) If so, this would mean "fair use" under US copyright law would apply to the clip, as opposed to the more narrow concept of "fair dealing" that we have under Canadian law.

    3) This is important b/c, unlike Prof. Geist, I'm not convinced that the posting of the clip would necessarily fall under "fair dealing", while I do believe that it would fall under "fair use".

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/KadyITQ KadyITQ

      Thanks for pointing that out, and it's a very good point — although it does make you wonder where Radio Canada/CBC would file an infringement suit — in California, or Canada? I'd be curious to hear your reason for believing that the clip may not meet the threshold for 'fair dealing' – would it be the length?

      • Eo Nomine

        "although it does make you wonder where Radio Canada/CBC would file an infringement suit — in California, or Canada?"

        That is a good question, and in fairness, I'm oversimplifying the jurisdictional issue…

        "I'd be curious to hear your reason for believing that the clip may not meet the threshold for 'fair dealing' – would it be the length?"

        Actually, it's the requirements under the Copyright Act. 'Fair dealing' can only be invoked if the dealing in question (i.e. the copying of the clip and posting on YouTube) falls under one of the prescribed categories: namely research or private study (s.29), criticism or review (s.29.1) or news reporting (s.29.2). While the most likely category applicable to this dealing would be news reporting, given that the clip would have been posted without any form of context or commentary, it's not clear to me that the dealing would've been "for the purpose of news reporting" (as opposed to some other purpose, say embarassing the government)…(cont'd)

  • john g

    Sorry…I just figured everything would be tagged Jennifer Wright. I found several other of your stories from some of the other tags. I withdraw my comment.

  • TrueNorth

    "As for our policy on fair dealing with regard to YouTube-d material, it’s judged on a case-by-case basis."

    While perhaps understandable in some extreme cases, it is troubling that Radio-Canada/CBC would take it upon themselves to determine to 'judge' what is and is not fair dealing. That is for the courts to judge, not them.

    • Eo Nomine

      Actually, according to Lenz v Universal (the infamous 'dancing baby' video case), copyright holders are obliged to conduct a preliminary fair use analysis before sending a DMCA take-down request…otherwise, they can't claim to have “a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law” as the DMCA requires.

  • Eo Nomine

    …simply put, I don't believe that merely spreading a particular news clip by itself necessarily qualifies as 'news reporting'.

    Furthermore, to qualify as fair dealing for the purpose of news reporting, s.29.2 also requires that both the source of the clip and the broadcaster of the clip be mentioned, and it's not clear to me that the original poster satsified these requirements.

    Now, if the posting of the clip does pass these threshold requirements, then one goes through the multi-factor test established in CCH to determine whether the dealing was fair, and it's during that analysis that the matter of length would come into play. However, I'm not confident that it passes the threshold requirement.

  • Eo Nomine

    Also, I should point out that while Prof. Geist considers such an action on CBC's part to be shortsighted (and probably hypocritical) because news orgs like CBC obviously rely on fair dealing for news reporting themselves, I am fairly confident that the CBC's use of someone else's copyrighted material would probably satisfy the threshold requirements under s. 29.2, i.e. be properly sourced and qualify as 'news reporting' (at least in most cases)…consequently, while CBC might be able to available themselves of the defence, an anonymous poster might not be.

  • crade

    If companies have the ability to silence political commentary just because they show a clip of news footage, and they get to pick and choose who they want to silence, our "fair dealing" provisions may be inadequate to serve their intended purpose.

  • Eo Nomine

    "Which is too bad, because it would have been interesting to find out what would happen if they did, but ITQ understands that sometimes, one has to put one’s livelihood and well-being first."

    FWIW, I think this one is pretty straightforward. Upon receipt of a counternotice, YouTube's standard policy is to repost the clip after the 10-14 day waiting period has elapsed (unless they receive notice that the copyright owner is commencing legal proceedings against the poster, in which case they won't repost until the matter is settled). Occasionally, YouTube has been known to repost a video before the waiting period has elapsed (eg the infamous Perez Hilton/NOM case: see http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/05/youtube-rest… but this appears to be a rarity (primarily because reposting before the waiting period elapses jeapordizes YouTube's safe harbour under the DMCA), and generally it will wait the full period. So, if your anonymous poster had been willing to reveal his identity and send a counternotice, I'm confident YouTube would've reposted the clip (assuming of course CBC opted not to pursue a claim…which, gven the circumstances, I think is a fairly safe assumption).

  • Eo Nomine

    BTW, one thing I think this shows is that the DMCA notice-and-takedown process was designed with mechanisms to allow individuals to challenge unfounded or abusive takedown demands made by companies, and if an individual is willing to send a counternotice, the system actually works pretty well. Consequently, I'm skeptical of claims that it has a significant chilling effect on free speech…

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